Windows Live Mail, OE, Outlook, Are they the brothers or twins?

[smith]

I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that way,
why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?

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[windmap]

smith wrote:
> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that way,
> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
>
Its call Remix,Old in a New Box

[Gerry]

Database change as explained as explained in response to post in Outlook
Express newsgroup.

The most fundamental change is the database used for storing messages.
Dbx files in Outlook Express grow to unwieldy sizes placing strains on
systems with limited CPU and memory capacity. Files need to be compacted
regularly and this process has always been problematic.


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smith wrote:
> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that
> way, why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?

[DL]

And Outllook is an entirely different application, only related by the fact
that its an email app

"smith" > wrote in message
...
>I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that way,
>why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
>
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> Thank you for your help!
>

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smith wrote:
> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that way,
> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:

> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that way,
> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?


Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
is the version that ships with Vista.

Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
Microsoft Office.

They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
only a single area: E-mail.

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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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[Gerry]

Ken

A significantly different database file system? Less freedom of action /
choice for the user ?? The second point is a feeling not necessarily a
fact.

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Gerry
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:
>
>> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are
>> that way, why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
>
>
> Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
> Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
> is the version that ships with Vista.
>
> Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
> operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
> Microsoft Office.
>
> They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
> Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
> Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
> only a single area: E-mail.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:42:48 -0000, "Gerry" > wrote:

> Ken
>
> A significantly different database file system?


Yes, they have different database systems. But that's not surprising,
and generally doesn't matter to most people. It's differences in
features and look and feel that most people care about, rather than
what happens under the hood.



> Less freedom of action /
> choice for the user ?? The second point is a feeling not necessarily a
> fact.





> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:
> >
> >> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are
> >> that way, why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
> >
> >
> > Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
> > Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
> > is the version that ships with Vista.
> >
> > Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
> > operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
> > Microsoft Office.
> >
> > They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
> > Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
> > Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
> > only a single area: E-mail.
>

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[Frank Pajerski[_2_]]

Note that the OP is referencing Windows Live Mail, not Windows Mail. WLM
runs on both WinXP and Vista. I, like apparently many others, migrated
happily (and easily) to it from OE or WM even when it was still in Beta
status. WLM recently went to formal product status. WLM appears to have
interested and active Microsoft support, and no kind of Microsoft account is
required to use it.

For more WLM info and a download, start at
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview . Note that you don't have to
select/use any other Windows Live products other than Mail.

The MS newsgroup for WLM is microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop .

--- Frank


"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:
>
>> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that
>> way,
>> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
>
>
> Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
> Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
> is the version that ships with Vista.
>
> Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
> operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
> Microsoft Office.
>
> They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
> Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
> Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
> only a single area: E-mail.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:58:00 -0800, "Frank Pajerski"
> wrote:

> Note that the OP is referencing Windows Live Mail, not Windows Mail.


Yes, I read it wrong--sorry.


> WLM
> runs on both WinXP and Vista. I, like apparently many others, migrated
> happily (and easily) to it from OE or WM even when it was still in Beta
> status. WLM recently went to formal product status. WLM appears to have
> interested and active Microsoft support, and no kind of Microsoft account is
> required to use it.
>
> For more WLM info and a download, start at
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview . Note that you don't have to
> select/use any other Windows Live products other than Mail.
>
> The MS newsgroup for WLM is microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop .
>
> --- Frank
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:
> >
> >> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that
> >> way,
> >> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
> >
> >
> > Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
> > Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
> > is the version that ships with Vista.
> >
> > Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
> > operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
> > Microsoft Office.
> >
> > They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
> > Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
> > Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
> > only a single area: E-mail.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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[Gerry]

My earlier post is not correct as I thought you were asking about
differences between Outlook Express and Windows Mail.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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Gerry wrote:
> Database change as explained as explained in response to post in
> Outlook Express newsgroup.
>
> The most fundamental change is the database used for storing messages.
> Dbx files in Outlook Express grow to unwieldy sizes placing strains on
> systems with limited CPU and memory capacity. Files need to be
> compacted regularly and this process has always been problematic.
>
>
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> smith wrote:
>> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are that
>> way, why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?

[Gerry]

Frank

You make a good point. Like Ken I took the OP to be referring to Windows
Mail.

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Gerry
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Frank Pajerski wrote:
> Note that the OP is referencing Windows Live Mail, not Windows Mail.
> WLM runs on both WinXP and Vista. I, like apparently many others,
> migrated happily (and easily) to it from OE or WM even when it was
> still in Beta status. WLM recently went to formal product status. WLM
> appears to have interested and active Microsoft support, and no
> kind of Microsoft account is required to use it.
>
> For more WLM info and a download, start at
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview . Note that you don't have to
> select/use any other Windows Live products other than Mail.
>
> The MS newsgroup for WLM is
> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop .
> --- Frank
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:33 +0800, "smith" > wrote:
>>
>>> I found that they are too similar to each other, but if they are
>>> that way,
>>> why Microsoft would like to develop an identical one?
>>
>>
>> Windows Mail is essentially just the newest version of Outlook
>> Express. They both come as part of the operating system. Windows Mail
>> is the version that ships with Vista.
>>
>> Outlook is another thing entirely. It is not free/part of the
>> operating system, but is for sale, either separately or as part of
>> Microsoft Office.
>>
>> They also have very different feature sets. Outlook Express/Windows
>> Mail is an E-mail Client and newsreader. Outlook is a full-featured
>> Personal Information Manager, and also does E-mail. They overlap in
>> only a single area: E-mail.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Homer J. Simpson]

> A significantly different database file system? Less freedom of action /
> choice for the user ??

How is the difference in internal format affecting the end user's choices?
Unless you're a developer trying to hack together something to extract data
directly from those files, you should only be concerned about the frontend.

[Gerry]

Homer

There are separate points. I was actually comparing Outlook Express and
Windows Mail.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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Homer J. Simpson wrote:
>> A significantly different database file system? Less freedom of
>> action / choice for the user ??
>
> How is the difference in internal format affecting the end user's
> choices? Unless you're a developer trying to hack together something
> to extract data directly from those files, you should only be
> concerned about the frontend.