Internet Security

[Pete B]

What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
list:

http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/

Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from experienced
users of any kind of such software.

--
Pete B

[R. McCarty]

Real Time security agents -
Nod32 ( Anti-Virus )
Tallemu Online Armor ( Firewall )
Windows Defender ( Malware Detect/Remove)

Scanner & Removal tools -
Spybot Search & Destroy (1.6.2) Omit Tea Timer functionality
Malwarebytes (1.34) [ Freeware Version ]
*At least a weekly check, Malwarebytes a little more frequently

Accessory tools:
HiJackThis

Online scans, as double-check on resident Security
BitDefender
Kaspersky
Secunia Scan - Checks applications for latest version, vulnerabilities

"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
> list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>
> --
> Pete B
>

[Alister]

Pete B wrote:
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
> list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from experienced
> users of any kind of such software.
>

You will probably get loads of different opinions, but my two cents worth:

In my experience, you will probably find Zone Alarm causes more issues
than AVG does. I would steer clear of Symantec (Norton) products and
McAfee products, as they tend to be resource hungry, they will slow down
your PC noticeably. You could look at Eset Nod32 which is gaining a good
reputation.

I personally use AVG, Spybot Search and Destroy and MalwareBytes
together, and they coexist happily on my various machines and provide a
layered protection against viruses and malware.

Alister

[Tim Meddick]

Hi Pete B
Maybe underrated, but I really like the AVG antivirus resident
shield and it's built-in Link scanner. I have used Spybot's tea-timer and,
although it is very good, it found it too resource intensive for my slightly
outmoded system. If you have system resources to spare then tea-timer IS
the one I recommend. I also use Microsoft's Windows Defender which catches
internet related threats and provides resident protection.
--

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
> list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>
> --
> Pete B
>

[John Inzer]

Pete B wrote:
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security
> protection software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG
> Pro but it has firewall and other problems. I have been looking at
> the items on this list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am
> inclined to try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate
> advice from experienced users of any kind of such software.
================================
I use the free versions of the
following programs...and FWIW...
the following site rates my system
as "TruStealth".

ShieldsUP!
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Avira Personal
ZoneAlarm
SUPERAntiSpyware
MalWareBytes
Ad-Aware
Spybot
A-Squared
Windows Defender
SpywareBlaster

Q - Why so many you may ask?

A - Because they all tend to find
different things.


And...ESET Smart Security
may be worth a try.

ESET Smart Security
http://www.eset.com/smartsecurity/


--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Pete B]

To all:

Thanks for the feedback.

OK I like that ESET Smart Security package, but it looks similar in
performance to the Kapersky suite, which is another one I am considering.
What are the problems with ZoneAlarm? BTW I am not necessarily looking for
freeware, I have no problem paying for what I get.

What I am looking for is a package that is as transparent as possible, IOW
that does not slow down my system, especially via the malware/antispam
stuff, and that does not hinder bootup, and that detects everything,
especially the hard stuff like keyloggers and rootkits. I had to disable
the AVG antispam because it slowed down the downloading of my email to a
crawl while it scanned each new message, which is pathetic. The firewall in
AVG is forever interrupting my browsing or else just pops up info windows
whenever it feels like it, and it takes forever to negotiate with WinXP
firewall at startup. I do agree the AVG antivirus is great, but the rest of
the pro stuff sort of sucks.

I know nothing is perfect, but after seeing your comments, I am now
undecided between Kaspersky's (fast), ESET (fast), and still considering
ZoneAlarm. I agree with not even thinking about anything Norton-made, that
stuff is pure evil junk.

So does ESET seem to be a top-rated package? What is bad about ZoneAlarm?
Has anyone had experince with Kaspersky's which supposedly has the best AV
engine of all? As for spam and such, I used to use Lavasoft's AdAware Pro,
which was very good, but then they screwed me out of a half-year of the
license I paid for when they "upgraded" so screw them. Now I have PC Tools
Spyware Doctor, which is OK but not as good as the old AdAware.

Based on all your comments, I am now inclined either to Kaspersky's or ESET,
anyway, but I hope someone has more tips and advice to offer.

--
Pete B


"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
> list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>
> --
> Pete B
>

[Randem]

There is no one software package fits all. It like buying a component stereo
system. A bunch of inferior products slamed together to make a package. The
individual components would be of higher quality and perform better.

--
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Your Installation Specialist
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"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
> list:
>
> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>
> --
> Pete B
>

[Pete B]

> I wouldn't, waste of money! Spend your money on a decent back-up
> application.

I already know about all those "preventive" measures, and I use a backup
regularly, Acronis. Most of your points are not the information I was
looking for, and many are simply cases of closing the henhouse door after
the fox has done the deeds. Your other advice is off the mark for a home PC
user.


--
Pete B

"Kayman" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:40:13 -0500, Pete B wrote:
>
>> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
>> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
>> list:
>
> Steer away from 3rd party software firewall applications!
>
>> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>
>> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
>> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security,
>
> I wouldn't, waste of money! Spend your money on a decent back-up
> application.
>
>> but would appreciate advice from experienced users of any kind of such
>> software.
>
> Realistically, no software will give you 'security protection'!
>
> For WinXP the most dependable defenses are:-
> 1. Do not work as Administrator; For day-to-day work routinely use a
> Least-privileged User Account (LUA).
> Applying the Principle of Least Privilege to User Accounts on WindowsXP
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb456992.aspx
>
> 2. Secure (Harden) your operating system.
> http://www.5starsupport.com/tutorial/hardening-windows.htm
>
> 3. Don't expose services to public networks.
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Service Configurations
> http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
>
> 4. Keep your operating system (and all software on it) updated/patched.
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
> http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
>
> 4a.Got SP3 yet?
> Why Service Packs are Better Than Patches.
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/community/columns/security/essays/srvpatch.mspx?mfr=true
>
> 5. Reconsider the usage of IE and OE.
> Utilizing another browser application and e-mail provider can add to the
> overall security of the OS.
> Consider: Opera, FireFox or Seamonkey and PegasusMail,Thunderbird or
> WLM.
>
> 5a.Secure (Harden) Internet Explorer.
> Internet Explorer7 Desktop Security Guide.
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6AA4C1DA-6021-468E-A8CF-AF4AFE4C84B2&displaylang=en
>
> 6. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
> Remove clutter, *including* all Anti-WhatEver ware and 3rd party
> software personal firewall application (PFW) - the one which claims:
> "It can stop/control malicious outbound traffic".
>
> 7. If on dial-up Internet connection, activate the build-in firewall.
> Windows XP: How to turn on your firewall.
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/firewall/xp.mspx
>
> 7a.Configure Windows by using:
> Seconfig XP 1.1
> http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>
> 7b.If on high-speed Internet connection use a Router and
> implement Countermeasures against DNSChanger.
> http://extremesecurity.blogspot.com/2008/06/use-default-password-get-hijacked.html
>
> 7c.And (just in case) Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) has been superseded
> by
> Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA2) and/or IEEE 802.11.
>
> 8. Utilize one (1) each 'real-time' anti-virus and anti-spy
> application.
> Consider: Avira AntiVir® PersonalEdition Classic - Free
> and Windows Defender.
>
> 9. Employ back-up application(s).
> Windows XP Backup Made Easy
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/bott_03july14.mspx
> Consider: Acronis, Casper or Norton Ghost and ERUNT.
>
> 9a.Utilize vital operating system monitor utilities/applications but you
> need to know the nature or meaning of what those programs are
> disclosing.
> Consider: Process Explorer, AutoRuns, TCPView, WALLWATCHER, Wireshark,
> Port Reporter, Regmon/Filemon or Process Monitor, rootkit detection
> tools like Rootkit Revealer, Gmer Rootkit or Hook Analyzer.
> There are more but beware computer forensics is a quite difficult and
> complex field.
>
> 10.Routinely practice Safe-Hex.
> http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
>
> The least preferred defenses are:-
> Myriads of popular anti-whatever (*real-time*) applications and staying
> ignorant.
>
> "*Security is a process not a product*" (Bruce Schneier).
>
> Educational reading:
> 10 Immutable Laws of Security.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722487.aspx
>
> Security Watch Revisiting the 10 Immutable Laws of Security, Part 1
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2008.10.securitywatch.aspx
>
> Security Watch Revisiting the 10 Immutable Laws of Security, Part 2
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2008.11.securitywatch.aspx?=blog
>
> Security Watch Revisiting the 10 Immutable Laws of Security, Part 3
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd228983.aspx?pr=blog
>
> Good luck :)

[Pete B]

I agree with that, but I do not want to buy many different packages, just
one. I am having a hard time getting recommendations for one package, let
alone trying to get the same advice for a group of independent packages. In
any case, I am not looking for perfection because there is no such thing in
this regard, I am just looking for the best of the suites even though they
are not ideal. I am not in need of the ultimate bulletproofprotection, just
a good package for home use.

I do not need something invincible, I have never in all my years since the
PC was invented had my PC get a virus, perhaps because either I am extremely
lucky, or maybe it has to do with the fact that I do not browse to the sites
that are liable to expose me to that danger. I will not even use the social
networking sites lkike Facebook for that reason.

Thanks for the reply.

--
Pete B


"Randem" > wrote in message
...
> There is no one software package fits all. It like buying a component
> stereo system. A bunch of inferior products slamed together to make a
> package. The individual components would be of higher quality and perform
> better.
>
> --
> Randem Systems
> Your Installation Specialist
> The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
> http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
> Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
> http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
>
>
>
> "Pete B" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
>> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
>> list:
>>
>> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>
>> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
>> try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
>> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>>
>> --
>> Pete B
>>
>
>

[Jim[_30_]]

"John" > wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:51:07 +0700, Kayman >
wrote:

>2. Secure (Harden) your operating system.
> http://www.5starsupport.com/tutorial/hardening-windows.htm

This is an interesting subject at the above link. I was reading the section
on "Renaming and password protecting the
Administrator account" (for WinXP) and the instructions said

1 "Right click on 'My Computer' then click on 'Manage', which opens the
Microsoft Management console.

2 Expand the "Local Users and Groups", and open the 'Users' folder

My problem right off is that there is no "Local Users and Groups" to expand
on my computer (XP Home SP3). All there is
is System Tools, Storage, and Services and Aplications

Any Advice . . .?

Thanks
John


==============================
On my SP3 system, I find "Local Users and Groups" as follows"
1. Open the Control Panel
2. Select the "Administrative Tools " tab
3. Select "Computer Management"
The Local Users and Groups tab appears in the panel on the left hand side of
the screen. You expand this setting to get users and groups.
If you can logon to the computer, this list is not empty.

This process is supposed to yield identical results to what you posted. It
is possible that the instructions left out something.
It is also possible that I left out something as well.
Jim

[John Inzer]

Pete B wrote:
> To all:
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> OK I like that ESET Smart Security package, but it looks similar in
> performance to the Kapersky suite, which is another one I am
> considering. What are the problems with ZoneAlarm? BTW I am not
> necessarily looking for freeware, I have no problem paying for what I
> get.
> What I am looking for is a package that is as transparent as
> possible, IOW that does not slow down my system, especially via the
> malware/antispam stuff, and that does not hinder bootup, and that
> detects everything, especially the hard stuff like keyloggers and
> rootkits. I had to disable the AVG antispam because it slowed down
> the downloading of my email to a crawl while it scanned each new
> message, which is pathetic. The firewall in AVG is forever
> interrupting my browsing or else just pops up info windows whenever
> it feels like it, and it takes forever to negotiate with WinXP
> firewall at startup. I do agree the AVG antivirus is great, but the
> rest of the pro stuff sort of sucks.
> I know nothing is perfect, but after seeing your comments, I am now
> undecided between Kaspersky's (fast), ESET (fast), and still
> considering ZoneAlarm. I agree with not even thinking about anything
> Norton-made, that stuff is pure evil junk.
>
> So does ESET seem to be a top-rated package? What is bad about
> ZoneAlarm? Has anyone had experince with Kaspersky's which supposedly
> has the best AV engine of all? As for spam and such, I used to use
> Lavasoft's AdAware Pro, which was very good, but then they screwed me
> out of a half-year of the license I paid for when they "upgraded" so
> screw them. Now I have PC Tools Spyware Doctor, which is OK but not
> as good as the old AdAware.
> Based on all your comments, I am now inclined either to Kaspersky's
> or ESET, anyway, but I hope someone has more tips and advice to offer.
==================================
As I previously stated, I use several programs
because they find different things. Best advice...
one Firewall..one Virus scanner...and as many
malware/trojan scanners as you wish to keep
up with. (some are updated several times daily)

BTW...ZoneAlarm does have it's share of detractors
but it works well for me.

Anyway...if you prefer an all-in-one suite...ESET
is worth a look.

As an experiment...you could create a system
restore point so you can revert if you are unhappy
and then download and install the 30 day trial
version.

ESET Download a FREE 30-day trial
http://www.eset.com/download/free_trial_download.php

--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[John Inzer]

Jim wrote:
> This is an interesting subject at the above link. I was reading the
> section on "Renaming and password protecting the
> Administrator account" (for WinXP) and the instructions said
>
> 1 "Right click on 'My Computer' then click on 'Manage', which opens
> the Microsoft Management console.
>
> 2 Expand the "Local Users and Groups", and open the 'Users' folder
>
> My problem right off is that there is no "Local Users and Groups" to
> expand on my computer (XP Home SP3). All there is
> is System Tools, Storage, and Services and Aplications
>
> Any Advice . . .?
>
> Thanks
> John
==================================
Did you try expanding...System Tools?

Computer Management / System Tools /
Local Users and Groups / Users

Here's an article that may be worth a look:

(555441) TechNet Support webcast:
Make your Windows XP PC more secured
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555441
(Scroll down to: Rename the Administrator account)

--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Pete B]

Thanks, maybe I will give that ESET a try. Yes that is the way I usually
test software, although I also have Acronis which provides a "secure
testing" method that is even better.

--
Pete B


"John Inzer" > wrote in message
...
> Pete B wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> OK I like that ESET Smart Security package, but it looks similar in
>> performance to the Kapersky suite, which is another one I am
>> considering. What are the problems with ZoneAlarm? BTW I am not
>> necessarily looking for freeware, I have no problem paying for what I
>> get.
>> What I am looking for is a package that is as transparent as
>> possible, IOW that does not slow down my system, especially via the
>> malware/antispam stuff, and that does not hinder bootup, and that
>> detects everything, especially the hard stuff like keyloggers and
>> rootkits. I had to disable the AVG antispam because it slowed down
>> the downloading of my email to a crawl while it scanned each new
>> message, which is pathetic. The firewall in AVG is forever
>> interrupting my browsing or else just pops up info windows whenever
>> it feels like it, and it takes forever to negotiate with WinXP
>> firewall at startup. I do agree the AVG antivirus is great, but the
>> rest of the pro stuff sort of sucks.
>> I know nothing is perfect, but after seeing your comments, I am now
>> undecided between Kaspersky's (fast), ESET (fast), and still
>> considering ZoneAlarm. I agree with not even thinking about anything
>> Norton-made, that stuff is pure evil junk.
>>
>> So does ESET seem to be a top-rated package? What is bad about
>> ZoneAlarm? Has anyone had experince with Kaspersky's which supposedly
>> has the best AV engine of all? As for spam and such, I used to use
>> Lavasoft's AdAware Pro, which was very good, but then they screwed me
>> out of a half-year of the license I paid for when they "upgraded" so
>> screw them. Now I have PC Tools Spyware Doctor, which is OK but not
>> as good as the old AdAware.
>> Based on all your comments, I am now inclined either to Kaspersky's
>> or ESET, anyway, but I hope someone has more tips and advice to offer.
> ==================================
> As I previously stated, I use several programs
> because they find different things. Best advice...
> one Firewall..one Virus scanner...and as many
> malware/trojan scanners as you wish to keep
> up with. (some are updated several times daily)
>
> BTW...ZoneAlarm does have it's share of detractors
> but it works well for me.
>
> Anyway...if you prefer an all-in-one suite...ESET
> is worth a look.
>
> As an experiment...you could create a system
> restore point so you can revert if you are unhappy
> and then download and install the 30 day trial
> version.
>
> ESET Download a FREE 30-day trial
> http://www.eset.com/download/free_trial_download.php
>
> --
>
>
> John Inzer MS-MVP
> Digital Media Experience
>
> Notice
> This is not tech support
> I am a volunteer
>
> Solutions that work for
> me may not work for you
>
> Proceed at your own risk
>

[Randem]

I have used seperate packages that concentrate on one specific area. I use
AVG 8.0 (Free), Spyware Doctor ($30) and MalwareBytes (Free) to keep my
computer clean. Norton used to be the defacto standard in virus removal
before they were perchased by Symantec and build into a suite. Since then
the package has been marginal as best. I would rather used seperate packaged
and be protected than a marginal suite and have minimal protection.

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"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
>I agree with that, but I do not want to buy many different packages, just
>one. I am having a hard time getting recommendations for one package, let
>alone trying to get the same advice for a group of independent packages.
>In any case, I am not looking for perfection because there is no such thing
>in this regard, I am just looking for the best of the suites even though
>they are not ideal. I am not in need of the ultimate
>bulletproofprotection, just a good package for home use.
>
> I do not need something invincible, I have never in all my years since the
> PC was invented had my PC get a virus, perhaps because either I am
> extremely lucky, or maybe it has to do with the fact that I do not browse
> to the sites that are liable to expose me to that danger. I will not even
> use the social networking sites lkike Facebook for that reason.
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> --
> Pete B
>
>
> "Randem" > wrote in message
> ...
>> There is no one software package fits all. It like buying a component
>> stereo system. A bunch of inferior products slamed together to make a
>> package. The individual components would be of higher quality and perform
>> better.
>>
>> --
>> Randem Systems
>> Your Installation Specialist
>> The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
>> http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
>> Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
>> http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
>>
>>
>>
>> "Pete B" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>>> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
>>> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
>>> list:
>>>
>>> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>>
>>> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined
>>> to try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
>>> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pete B
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Randem]

I also use Firefox with the plugins NoScript and AdBlock Plus instead of IE
and that helps a lot...

--
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"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
>I agree with that, but I do not want to buy many different packages, just
>one. I am having a hard time getting recommendations for one package, let
>alone trying to get the same advice for a group of independent packages.
>In any case, I am not looking for perfection because there is no such thing
>in this regard, I am just looking for the best of the suites even though
>they are not ideal. I am not in need of the ultimate
>bulletproofprotection, just a good package for home use.
>
> I do not need something invincible, I have never in all my years since the
> PC was invented had my PC get a virus, perhaps because either I am
> extremely lucky, or maybe it has to do with the fact that I do not browse
> to the sites that are liable to expose me to that danger. I will not even
> use the social networking sites lkike Facebook for that reason.
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> --
> Pete B
>
>
> "Randem" > wrote in message
> ...
>> There is no one software package fits all. It like buying a component
>> stereo system. A bunch of inferior products slamed together to make a
>> package. The individual components would be of higher quality and perform
>> better.
>>
>> --
>> Randem Systems
>> Your Installation Specialist
>> The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
>> http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
>> Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
>> http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
>>
>>
>>
>> "Pete B" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>>> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
>>> firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
>>> list:
>>>
>>> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>>
>>> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined
>>> to try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
>>> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pete B
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[John Inzer]

John wrote:
> After a Google search I discovered that it is not avalable on XP Home
> machines which is what I have. I think an
> alternitive is to go to "User Accounts" in Control Panel.
>
> Tanks
> John
> ____ _
> | __\_\_o____/_|
> <[___\_\_-----<------------------<No Spam Please><
> | o'
=================================
Ok...if you say so...but did you actually
double left click 'System Tools' to see
if it would expand?

--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Kayman[_7_]]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:33:17 -0500, Pete B wrote:

>> I wouldn't, waste of money! Spend your money on a decent back-up
>> application.
>
> I already know about all those "preventive" measures, and I use a backup
> regularly, Acronis.

Good.

> Most of your points are not the information I was looking for,

Sorry, I thought you were seeking advice in relation to Internet Security.

> and many are simply cases of closing the henhouse door after
> the fox has done the deeds.

How so?

> Your other advice is off the mark for a home PC user.

On the contrary, my suggestions are spot-on and relevant with respect to
Internet Security! You need to educate yourself reading publications which
are *not* commercially sponsored - don't be blinded by marketing, oh well.

[Kayman[_7_]]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:33:38 -0700, John wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:51:07 +0700, Kayman > wrote:
>
>>2. Secure (Harden) your operating system.
>> http://www.5starsupport.com/tutorial/hardening-windows.htm
>
> This is an interesting subject at the above link. I was reading the section on "Renaming and password protecting the
> Administrator account" (for WinXP) and the instructions said
>
> 1 "Right click on ‘My Computer’ then click on ‘Manage’, which opens the Microsoft Management console.
>
> 2 Expand the "Local Users and Groups", and open the ‘Users’ folder
>
> My problem right off is that there is no "Local Users and Groups" to expand on my computer (XP Home SP3). All there is
> is System Tools, Storage, and Services and Aplications
>
> Any Advice . . .?

WinXP Pro only, sorry :(

[Pete B]

I do not disagree or claim what you posted is wrong. It is simply not what
I asked about, and IMO is far more appropriate for a business environment
machine than for a simple home user. Nothing you posted about is new to me,
I am aware of all those security measures you wrote, and used most in the
past but I do not need all those things now. I am not trying to protect the
Keys To The Kingdom, I simply want to avoid an annoying intrusion on my PC.

For example, I practiced that procedure faithfully about avoiding running as
an Admin user, protecting passwords, etc. at my business before I retired,
when I was working as a data analyst and software engineer. As well, most
of the other suggestions you posted were part of our business practice for
our workstations.

But now I am retired, I use my PC at home as a stand-alone system for
completely non-business purposes, and I am the only user that ever touches
this PC. The only data of value on my system here are my passwords, which
are contained in an encrypted file managed by a very robust password
application which itself is encrypted and requires a password, and my
financial data, but since my whole financial system is also very well
encrypted, I doubt if any intruder could do anything with it even if they
did manage to hack in, since I store all my vital personal data on an
encrypted removable data drive, which I only power on and use when it is
needed (and I back up that data often). Furthermore, I am one of those few
who actually have subscribe to a credit watch service for many years, so
even my financial affairs outside of the computer are protected very well,
and I check what is going on there quite often to make sure nothing is
changed.

And because I do frequent image and data backups (I use Acronis TrueImage),
even if some hacker did manage to bust in and demolish my operating system,
I would not be devastated or totally suicidal; I would simply wipe out the
HDD and restore the image and carry on.... but having to do so would **** me
off for the time it would waste, that's all.

Like I said, I have actually run my home system the way I do now since the
days of the first personal computers back in the '80s, and even did so for
many years early on with no security at all on my system. I only started
using security when I began doing things at home that needed to be secured,
but I have never actually had my system successfully hacked in all the years
I have used it because among other things, I am careful what I do on the
'net, and I now use a commercial internet security package which so far has
protected me totally (and I know it has because I can read the logs it keeps
showing exactly what it did all the time I was running).

I have found that a commercial software internet security package suits my
needs just fine. I know there is always a slim chance that some evildoer
will still get in somehow, but the chances of my system being the individual
target of some miscreant out to do me actual financial or real personal harm
are virtually nil; as I also stated earlier, those guys are interested in
the big corporate, government, and commercial database info, where they can
get millions of records at one swoop. And nowadays, I would venture that it
is virtually impossible for any hacker to intercept my communications as
they go over the 'net by hacking the WWW itself, so I also do not get overly
concerned about that. All I want is something that will keep an eye on
things while I am running my system here at home, and a commercial suite of
software will do that good enough for me; not perfect, for sure, but good
enough.

My biggest concern in asking about this was not whether such software was
the absolute pinnacle of invincible security protection, which I know it is
not; nothing is, including all those measures you posted. Any hacker that
is truly determined to get into any PC will be able to do it if he has the
skills and ability, there is no perfect protection, period, and that applies
to all the various platforms, not just my good ol' WinXP. But I am
concerned primarily with the performance effects of such software on my
system AFA slowing it down and so forth, and about compatibility with my
total PC software and the speed the security software runs at and so on.
That is what I sought advice on, and that is why I replied to you as I did.
It is not that i do not appreciate your advice, it is just not what I am
really concerned about for my home PC. I can live with the security
provided by such internet security software. Something may happen some day,
but it will not be The End Of Life As I Know It. I will survive no matter
what happens. And in fact, I am sure I have done worse things to my PC all
by my stupid self over the years, worse than any hacker could ever dream of,
things that literally took me days to rectify; I survived that, good enough
for me if I just have software that looks out for the bad guys out there.

So thanks again--

--
Pete B
"Kayman" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:33:17 -0500, Pete B wrote:
>
>>> I wouldn't, waste of money! Spend your money on a decent back-up
>>> application.
>>
>> I already know about all those "preventive" measures, and I use a backup
>> regularly, Acronis.
>
> Good.
>
>> Most of your points are not the information I was looking for,
>
> Sorry, I thought you were seeking advice in relation to Internet Security.
>
>> and many are simply cases of closing the henhouse door after
>> the fox has done the deeds.
>
> How so?
>
>> Your other advice is off the mark for a home PC user.
>
> On the contrary, my suggestions are spot-on and relevant with respect to
> Internet Security! You need to educate yourself reading publications which
> are *not* commercially sponsored - don't be blinded by marketing, oh well.

[Pete B]

I currently use AVG 8.5 Pro and Spyware Doctor, too, but like I said I am
not really happy with them for various reasons not to do with security
itself, so I am looking for a new package to try. The old Ad Aware was
better than Spyware Doctor IMO. I would rather use an all-in-one than
separate, too, if it does good enough for what I need. I also used to use
Norton's but their software totally invades and hooks into your system and
conflicts with some other apps, and it will not allow you to uninstall it
because it is so hooked into your PC, it even uses a rootkit for gods sake;
I finally got it totally gone and I would never use it again (I have found
many others who feel the same way).

--
Pete B

"Randem" > wrote in message
...
>I have used seperate packages that concentrate on one specific area. I use
>AVG 8.0 (Free), Spyware Doctor ($30) and MalwareBytes (Free) to keep my
>computer clean. Norton used to be the defacto standard in virus removal
>before they were perchased by Symantec and build into a suite. Since then
>the package has been marginal as best. I would rather used seperate
>packaged and be protected than a marginal suite and have minimal
>protection.
>
> --
> Randem Systems
> Your Installation Specialist
> The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
> http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
> Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
> http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
>
>
>
> "Pete B" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I agree with that, but I do not want to buy many different packages, just
>>one. I am having a hard time getting recommendations for one package, let
>>alone trying to get the same advice for a group of independent packages.
>>In any case, I am not looking for perfection because there is no such
>>thing in this regard, I am just looking for the best of the suites even
>>though they are not ideal. I am not in need of the ultimate
>>bulletproofprotection, just a good package for home use.
>>
>> I do not need something invincible, I have never in all my years since
>> the PC was invented had my PC get a virus, perhaps because either I am
>> extremely lucky, or maybe it has to do with the fact that I do not browse
>> to the sites that are liable to expose me to that danger. I will not
>> even use the social networking sites lkike Facebook for that reason.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> --
>> Pete B
>>
>>
>> "Randem" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There is no one software package fits all. It like buying a component
>>> stereo system. A bunch of inferior products slamed together to make a
>>> package. The individual components would be of higher quality and
>>> perform better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Randem Systems
>>> Your Installation Specialist
>>> The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
>>> http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
>>> Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
>>> http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Pete B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>>>> software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it
>>>> has firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on
>>>> this list:
>>>>
>>>> http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>>>
>>>> Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined
>>>> to try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from
>>>> experienced users of any kind of such software.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Pete B
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[George]

"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
>I currently use AVG 8.5 Pro and Spyware Doctor, too, but like I said I am
>not really happy with them for various reasons not to do with security
>itself, so I am looking for a new package to try. The old Ad Aware was
>better than Spyware Doctor IMO. I would rather use an all-in-one than
>separate, too, if it does good enough for what I need. I also used to use
>Norton's but their software totally invades and hooks into your system and
>conflicts with some other apps, and it will not allow you to uninstall it
>because it is so hooked into your PC, it even uses a rootkit for gods sake;
>I finally got it totally gone and I would never use it again (I have found
>many others who feel the same way).
>

Pete B,

Even the experts agree that suites are not really a good thing. Read here
and learn some things. Just trying to be helpful.

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/090326/
Readers share their Security Baseline nominees

This article says the same thing you are reading in this newsgroup!

George

[Pete B]

George, I am not saying everybody is wrong about the pick-and-choose method.
But as the article you linked states right out of the gate:

"Windows Secrets readers have been giving me their feedback loud and clear:
they hate Norton all-in-one products [amen, brother!! PB] and love
standalone antivirus, antispyware, and firewall apps.

>>> Still, I have to say that security suites do remain a valid option for
>>> people looking for no-muss, no-fuss protection for their PCs. <<< ...."

That's me... the no muss, no fuss guy.

Further on, I note that some of the reasons they prefer to pick from the
bunch seems to be because they like free apps, at least that is what they
note as plus factors. Well, I am not rerally worried about paid vs free, in
fact I prefer the pro, paid version almost always.

I used to do just what you and the article says, one brand AV, another brand
spyware detect, another brand malware etc. But not having seen that much
real difference between ther individual brands (all the AVs detect viruses,
more or less the same; all the spyware apps detect spyware, more or less
the same, etc.) I just decided that I would get the best overall package
and be done with it, since what I am most interested in, the effects of the
package on my system and its performance, are likely to be more consistent
with one brand than with three or four.

So I will be aware that suites are not the ideal, but then I am happy just
getting the second-shelf stuff instead of the top-shelf stuff. And perhaps,
unlike you all, my view of all this is that a security suite is something
that I should not ever really have to think about once I have it up and
running; security is not an end in itself, if I do have to bother with it,
something is wrong with it. I will install a suite and hopefully that suite
is what I will end up with, and I will only have to do it once rather than
three or four times and I'll be done with it. Even if it is not a Cadillac,
I can live with a Chevy that has four wheels and runs, you know? And no
matter what, it beats building the perfect car from scratch all to hell and
gone....

My $0.002 worth, anyway....

--
Pete B

"George" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pete B" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I currently use AVG 8.5 Pro and Spyware Doctor, too, but like I said I am
>>not really happy with them for various reasons not to do with security
>>itself, so I am looking for a new package to try. The old Ad Aware was
>>better than Spyware Doctor IMO. I would rather use an all-in-one than
>>separate, too, if it does good enough for what I need. I also used to use
>>Norton's but their software totally invades and hooks into your system and
>>conflicts with some other apps, and it will not allow you to uninstall it
>>because it is so hooked into your PC, it even uses a rootkit for gods
>>sake; I finally got it totally gone and I would never use it again (I have
>>found many others who feel the same way).
>>
>
> Pete B,
>
> Even the experts agree that suites are not really a good thing. Read here
> and learn some things. Just trying to be helpful.
>
> http://windowssecrets.com/comp/090326/
> Readers share their Security Baseline nominees
>
> This article says the same thing you are reading in this newsgroup!
>
> George
>

[George]

"Pete B" > wrote in message
...
> George, I am not saying everybody is wrong about the pick-and-choose
> method. But as the article you linked states right out of the gate:
>
> "Windows Secrets readers have been giving me their feedback loud and
> clear: they hate Norton all-in-one products [amen, brother!! PB] and love
> standalone antivirus, antispyware, and firewall apps.
>
>>>> Still, I have to say that security suites do remain a valid option for
>>>> people looking for no-muss, no-fuss protection for their PCs. <<<
>>>> ...."
>
> That's me... the no muss, no fuss guy.
>
Pete B,

You do realize your are talking about PC's don't you? You MUST muss, if you
will, with your PC to keep it safe, just how it is today.

I wish you well in your pursuit of happiness with your security suite!

George

[Alister]

Pete B wrote:

<snip>

Hi Pete,

Ok, so you are happy to go with a suite, that is your choice, but I
would like to comment on something you said:

> security is not an end in itself, if I do have to bother with it,
> something is wrong with it.

Oh dear. Security /is/ an end in itself and you do have to bother with
it, that's the whole point. Do you really trust /any/ piece of software
enough to let it get on with protecting you without any intervention on
your part? I don't, and I doubt many people would on this newsgroup.

That's why people have suggested going with a multi layered solution
from different companies.

You, as a computer user, need to be involved in the security process,
particularly with regard to what is allowed to run on your machine and
what isn't, as no Antivirus suite can possibly know all of the software
you want to run on your machine, some of which may do weird things to
your registry, or connect to the internet on strange ports, so if a new
one crops up you have to rely on the software recognising a possible
intruder and asking for your decision as to what to do with it.

Alister

[Pete B]

> > security is not an end in itself, if I do have to bother with it,
> > something is wrong with it.
>
> Oh dear. Security /is/ an end in itself and you do have to bother with it,
> that's the whole point. Do you really trust /any/ piece of software enough
> to let it get on with protecting you without any intervention on your
> part? I don't, and I doubt many people would on this newsgroup.

Let me turn that question on its head, and ask you: Are you **really**
claiming that, say, Kaspersky's Security Suite, the AV engine of which
powers perhaps dozens of other AV software apps worldwide, is a piece of
junk? That this suite, one of the most popular and highly rated security
apps in the world, has been deceiving all of its millions of users for years
on end throughout Europe and now the US too, allowing ungodly vicious hack
attacks everywhere in the world it is used?

And finally, exactly what attention do **you** give to your AV software, and
your antispam software, and such on a daily basis that requires your
constant attention and monitoring? Do you actually spend time every day
**doing things** with your AV software to check up on its -performance, or
fine-tune it, or the like? If so, what exactly is it that your AV software
lacks that necessitates you doing things that the AV software is supposed to
do for you: do you have to adjust its parameters, or test its reliability,
or watch it work to make sure it is up to par every day? Do you go watch
your firewall check and intercept stuff, put up a display that actively
monitors its activity second by second, observe each hit and actually go
find out what it was doing when it, say, blocked that "amrlvd" incoming ping
from reaching your PC?

Not me. Contrary to your claim, I indeed DO pay attention to security --
that is what I have been doing with this thread here and in a few other
forums, seeking advice on which products perform their functions adequately
for my needs. But once I arrive at a solution, I will install a security
software app, do the initial checks that such software does for one's first
run on a new system, and that will be it. After that software is in and
working, the extent of my interaction with it will be to monitor my PC
startup to make sure the software is up and running first thing every day
and is up to date with the latest info.

Beyond that, I will go about my computing, never giving it a thought,
because that is what I am paying the company that sold it to me to do. It
will be as out of sight, out of mind as is the Win API routine that
continually runs my Windows shell. Unless something goes wrong that
indicates my software has failed in its task, well, no, I will not give it
the slightest thought. That software is most definitely NOT an end in
itself, it is actually the very antithesis of an end: like I said, if I do
have to pay attention to it beyond one startup moment every day, then it is
not doing what it is supposed to do. I do not operate my PC at all to see
how well I can guard against and prevent security attacks, I operate it to
do other things. Indeed, I have to make sure it is secure, just like I have
to make sure there is gasoline in my car in order to run my vehicle, but
unless my engine sputters and dies or starts to clank and groan, I do not
think about it at all either, because I did not buy my car to monitor its
performance all day, I bought it to transport me with no need for me to
worry about it being able to stop and go each foot I travel.

Now I have seen all the comments about everybody saying you must "mix and
match" to get the right applications to secure your PC. But funny thing is,
no two people seem to agree on exactly what that combination should be. So
I really fail to see why it is **necessary** to individually select each
such component. AFAIAC the AVG software I use now keeps my system as secure
as it ever could be, and it is an all-in-one. I have used individual apps
in the past, as I said, but I saw no big benefit from doing it that way that
I do not get with just AVG doing everything, so why should I go back to
picking and choosing? And AVG does what it does without me paying it the
slightest attention from one day to the next, which is what I say a security
app should do; if I had to constantly mess with or monitor AVG to keep my
PC secure, it would have been gone long ago. It is only its performance
interacting with my PC that makes me want to change it out; it secures my
system just fine, but then, so does McAffee or any of the others I have used
on this and other PCs; they all **secure** a PC more or less equally, it is
just how they affect the system they are running on that is an issue, but
that is true of any other software as well.

I use the built-in IE internet browser with Windows, even though some claim
that other third-party browsers are better, and I don't feel I have suffered
for it one damned bit: IE 7 gets me where I want to go on the internet, it
does everything I want it to do and little if anything I do not want it to
do, so hey, why get another individual component when the packaged one built
in to WinXP will suit me fine?

Likewise, I use IE Express for my mail client, even though there are dozens
of other clients out there. IEx fetches my email when I want it, sends my
outgoing messages off to the world without complaint or attention, filters
out the stuff I want it to throw away, so why would I care if there is a
"better" one out there? IEx does me fine. I have Office with MS Outlook
that I could use, and it is more bells and whistles for sure, but who needs
it? Not me.

The list goes on and on. Maybe you enjoy being overly engaged interacting
with your system's security every moment you are on the net, I don't. I
don't use my PC to see how well it is protected, I use it for the good stuff
on the net that I enjoy. So I am happy with a security suite running in the
background, it will do me fine as it has done for all the past two decades.

So shoot me... life on the edge is my bag...

:=)

BTW I think I have decided to get Kaspersky's Internet Security 2009:

http://www.kaspersky.com/kaspersky_internet_security


--
Pete B

"Alister" > wrote in message
...
> Pete B wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Ok, so you are happy to go with a suite, that is your choice, but I would
> like to comment on something you said:
>
> > security is not an end in itself, if I do have to bother with it,
> > something is wrong with it.
>
> Oh dear. Security /is/ an end in itself and you do have to bother with it,
> that's the whole point. Do you really trust /any/ piece of software enough
> to let it get on with protecting you without any intervention on your
> part? I don't, and I doubt many people would on this newsgroup.
>
> That's why people have suggested going with a multi layered solution from
> different companies.
>
> You, as a computer user, need to be involved in the security process,
> particularly with regard to what is allowed to run on your machine and
> what isn't, as no Antivirus suite can possibly know all of the software
> you want to run on your machine, some of which may do weird things to your
> registry, or connect to the internet on strange ports, so if a new one
> crops up you have to rely on the software recognising a possible intruder
> and asking for your decision as to what to do with it.
>
> Alister

[John A[_4_]]

Kaspersky Antivirus, Superantispyware Pro and Windows native firewall.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:40:13 -0500, "Pete B" >
wrote:

>What do folks here consider to be the best internet security protection
>software packages (AV, spam, etc)? I have been using AVG Pro but it has
>firewall and other problems. I have been looking at the items on this
>list:
>
>http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
>Do any of you have these packages, any recommendations? I am inclined to
>try ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, but would appreciate advice from experienced
>users of any kind of such software.

[Kayman[_7_]]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:20:27 -0500, Pete B wrote:

> I do not disagree or claim what you posted is wrong. It is simply not what
> I asked about, and IMO is far more appropriate for a business environment
> machine than for a simple home user. Nothing you posted about is new to me,
> I am aware of all those security measures you wrote, and used most in the
> past but I do not need all those things now. I am not trying to protect the
> Keys To The Kingdom, I simply want to avoid an annoying intrusion on my PC.
>
> For example, I practiced that procedure faithfully about avoiding running as
> an Admin user, protecting passwords, etc. at my business before I retired,
> when I was working as a data analyst and software engineer. As well, most
> of the other suggestions you posted were part of our business practice for
> our workstations.
>
> But now I am retired, I use my PC at home as a stand-alone system for
> completely non-business purposes, and I am the only user that ever touches
> this PC. The only data of value on my system here are my passwords, which
> are contained in an encrypted file managed by a very robust password
> application which itself is encrypted and requires a password, and my
> financial data, but since my whole financial system is also very well
> encrypted, I doubt if any intruder could do anything with it even if they
> did manage to hack in, since I store all my vital personal data on an
> encrypted removable data drive, which I only power on and use when it is
> needed (and I back up that data often). Furthermore, I am one of those few
> who actually have subscribe to a credit watch service for many years, so
> even my financial affairs outside of the computer are protected very well,
> and I check what is going on there quite often to make sure nothing is
> changed.
>
> And because I do frequent image and data backups (I use Acronis TrueImage),
> even if some hacker did manage to bust in and demolish my operating system,
> I would not be devastated or totally suicidal; I would simply wipe out the
> HDD and restore the image and carry on.... but having to do so would **** me
> off for the time it would waste, that's all.
>
> Like I said, I have actually run my home system the way I do now since the
> days of the first personal computers back in the '80s, and even did so for
> many years early on with no security at all on my system. I only started
> using security when I began doing things at home that needed to be secured,
> but I have never actually had my system successfully hacked in all the years
> I have used it because among other things, I am careful what I do on the
> 'net, and I now use a commercial internet security package which so far has
> protected me totally (and I know it has because I can read the logs it keeps
> showing exactly what it did all the time I was running).
>
> I have found that a commercial software internet security package suits my
> needs just fine. I know there is always a slim chance that some evildoer
> will still get in somehow, but the chances of my system being the individual
> target of some miscreant out to do me actual financial or real personal harm
> are virtually nil; as I also stated earlier, those guys are interested in
> the big corporate, government, and commercial database info, where they can
> get millions of records at one swoop. And nowadays, I would venture that it
> is virtually impossible for any hacker to intercept my communications as
> they go over the 'net by hacking the WWW itself, so I also do not get overly
> concerned about that. All I want is something that will keep an eye on
> things while I am running my system here at home, and a commercial suite of
> software will do that good enough for me; not perfect, for sure, but good
> enough.
>
> My biggest concern in asking about this was not whether such software was
> the absolute pinnacle of invincible security protection, which I know it is
> not; nothing is, including all those measures you posted. Any hacker that
> is truly determined to get into any PC will be able to do it if he has the
> skills and ability, there is no perfect protection, period, and that applies
> to all the various platforms, not just my good ol' WinXP. But I am
> concerned primarily with the performance effects of such software on my
> system AFA slowing it down and so forth, and about compatibility with my
> total PC software and the speed the security software runs at and so on.
> That is what I sought advice on, and that is why I replied to you as I did.
> It is not that i do not appreciate your advice, it is just not what I am
> really concerned about for my home PC. I can live with the security
> provided by such internet security software. Something may happen some day,
> but it will not be The End Of Life As I Know It. I will survive no matter
> what happens. And in fact, I am sure I have done worse things to my PC all
> by my stupid self over the years, worse than any hacker could ever dream of,
> things that literally took me days to rectify; I survived that, good enough
> for me if I just have software that looks out for the bad guys out there.
>
> So thanks again--

YW.

My suggestion are *specifically* suited for an average homeuser with a
stand-alone system!