DVD+R problem

[Antares 531[_2_]]

I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
back-up storage.

The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
front.

When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"

Retry Skip Cancel

Any suggestions?

This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.

[almostbob]

Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
you use a burner software


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"Antares 531" > wrote in message
...
>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
> not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
> disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
> wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
> storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
> back-up storage.
>
> The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
> front.
>
> When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
> recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
> Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
> get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
> copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>
> Retry Skip Cancel
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.

[Antares 531[_2_]]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 -0300, "almostbob"
> wrote:

>Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
>you use a burner software
>
I'm not actually dragging and dropping. I select a file in Windows
Explorer then right click on it and, from the Send to option I select
the DVD drive. This works with the CD-R disks but won't work with the
DVD+R disks.

Where can I get the software you mention?

[JS]

You will need CD/DVD third party burning software.
Windows XP by itself can not burn DVD media.
--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


"Antares 531" > wrote in message
...
>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
> not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
> disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
> wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
> storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
> back-up storage.
>
> The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
> front.
>
> When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
> recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
> Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
> get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
> copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>
> Retry Skip Cancel
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.

[Bob Harris]

If you do not have a full CD/DVD burner suite (like Easy CD Creator or
Nero), try the following free program, which is pretty good about sensing
media, writer, etc:

http://www.deepburner.com/

The free version is adequate for simple backups and such. Further, the free
version also comes as a "portable" program, meaning that it does not need to
be "installed". In fact, it can be run from a USB stick. It comes with a
help file in CHM format. Just double-click to open, and XP should be able
to read it.

"Antares 531" > wrote in message
...
>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
> not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
> disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
> wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
> storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
> back-up storage.
>
> The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
> front.
>
> When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
> recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
> Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
> get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
> copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>
> Retry Skip Cancel
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.

[John Inzer]

Antares 531 wrote:
> I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
> not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
> disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
> wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
> storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
> back-up storage.
>
> The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
> front.
>
> When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
> recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
> Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
> get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
> copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>
> Retry Skip Cancel
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.
============================
XP doesn't burn DVDs unless you
have the Media Center Edition...try
the following freebie:

CDBurnerXP
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
(This is a free application
to burn CDs and DVDs)

--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Kenny]

Here's one:

http://cdburnerxp.se/

Don't depend absolutely on DVD for long term storage.
Depending on the quality they will deteriorate over time, especially the
cheaper ones.
Look for ones with Taiyo Yuden dye, they have a good reputation, maybe a bit
more expensive.

--
Kenny Cargill

"JS" <@> wrote in message ...
> You will need CD/DVD third party burning software.
> Windows XP by itself can not burn DVD media.
> --
> JS
> http://www.pagestart.com
>
>
> "Antares 531" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
>> not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
>> disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
>> wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
>> storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
>> back-up storage.
>>
>> The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
>> front.
>>
>> When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
>> recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
>> Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
>> get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
>> copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>>
>> Retry Skip Cancel
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.
>
>

[almostbob]

For the spectacularly obtuse
Generally you do not use any form of copy to a dvd drive,
you use a burner software

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"Antares 531" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 -0300, "almostbob"
> > wrote:
>
>>Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
>>you use a burner software
>>
> I'm not actually dragging and dropping. I select a file in Windows
> Explorer then right click on it and, from the Send to option I select
> the DVD drive. This works with the CD-R disks but won't work with the
> DVD+R disks.
>
> Where can I get the software you mention?

[Tom Brown[_3_]]

I guess I fall in that group of "spectacularly obtuse." I notice that
everyone else who responded to this question offered real help but you
offered none and seem more intent on getting the point across that you
"should not" use any form of copy or drag & drop on a DVD. What about CD-R
format? Do you also generally advocate not using any form of drag & drop,
send, or copy to a CD? If so, I wonder where you learned such a hard and
fast rule or where it's published as common knowledge?

Since they present such similar operations, it seems logical to me that it's
not unreasonable (or obtuse) to assume that what works for one will work for
the other (assuming you have DVR burner software).

Tom


"almostbob" > wrote in message
...
> For the spectacularly obtuse
> Generally you do not use any form of copy to a dvd drive,
> you use a burner software
>
> --
> _ _
> "Antares 531" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 -0300, "almostbob"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
>>>you use a burner software
>>>
>> I'm not actually dragging and dropping. I select a file in Windows
>> Explorer then right click on it and, from the Send to option I select
>> the DVD drive. This works with the CD-R disks but won't work with the
>> DVD+R disks.
>>
>> Where can I get the software you mention?
>
>

[John John - MVP]

You shouldn't use it on CDs either. This "Drag and Drop" method of
writing to optical disks is known as packet writing. While in concept
and theory packet writing appears to be very useful the problem is that
there is no guarantee that files written in this manner will ever be
guaranteed to be read in anything other than the very same CD/DVD drive
and model as that on which they were written with. This is a known
problem with cds written with this writing method, it isn't unusual to
see posts in these groups from people seeking help because they cannot
recover their files. You change your computer and get rid of the old
one, you forget (if you even knew) about your 'Drag and Drop" cds and
the new computer that you got has a different make of cd drive and all
of a sudden all your precious files that you so carefully copied to cd
are lost. Another problem is that, even if you are aware of this
problem, cd drives are rather flimsy things and they often fail. Often
times the drive model in question has long been discontinued and it may
be very difficult to find an identical replacement drive.

This isn't to say that this problem will *always* occur, cds packet
written on one drive will often be readable on other makes of drives,
but the problem is sufficiently present, enough to want to steer clear
of these Drag and Drop packet writing programs!

John

Tom Brown wrote:
> I guess I fall in that group of "spectacularly obtuse." I notice that
> everyone else who responded to this question offered real help but you
> offered none and seem more intent on getting the point across that you
> "should not" use any form of copy or drag & drop on a DVD. What about
> CD-R format? Do you also generally advocate not using any form of drag
> & drop, send, or copy to a CD? If so, I wonder where you learned such a
> hard and fast rule or where it's published as common knowledge?
>
> Since they present such similar operations, it seems logical to me that
> it's not unreasonable (or obtuse) to assume that what works for one will
> work for the other (assuming you have DVR burner software).
>
> Tom
>
>
> "almostbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> For the spectacularly obtuse
>> Generally you do not use any form of copy to a dvd drive,
>> you use a burner software
>>
>> --
>> _ _
>> "Antares 531" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 -0300, "almostbob"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
>>>> you use a burner software
>>>>
>>> I'm not actually dragging and dropping. I select a file in Windows
>>> Explorer then right click on it and, from the Send to option I select
>>> the DVD drive. This works with the CD-R disks but won't work with the
>>> DVD+R disks.
>>>
>>> Where can I get the software you mention?
>>
>>

[Tom Brown[_3_]]

Thanks John. That's the first I have heard about this problem. I
frequently go to one folder and copy a set of files and then open the CD
folder and paste them into it before burning it to the CD. I have also
highlighted the files to be written, dragged them to the CD (using the
Folder Button to show the directory tree) and then written the CD. I'll
have to figure out the correct way to do it now.

Tom


"John John - MVP" > wrote in message
...
> You shouldn't use it on CDs either. This "Drag and Drop" method of
> writing to optical disks is known as packet writing. While in concept and
> theory packet writing appears to be very useful the problem is that there
> is no guarantee that files written in this manner will ever be guaranteed
> to be read in anything other than the very same CD/DVD drive and model as
> that on which they were written with. This is a known problem with cds
> written with this writing method, it isn't unusual to see posts in these
> groups from people seeking help because they cannot recover their files.
> You change your computer and get rid of the old one, you forget (if you
> even knew) about your 'Drag and Drop" cds and the new computer that you
> got has a different make of cd drive and all of a sudden all your precious
> files that you so carefully copied to cd are lost. Another problem is
> that, even if you are aware of this problem, cd drives are rather flimsy
> things and they often fail. Often times the drive model in question has
> long been discontinued and it may be very difficult to find an identical
> replacement drive.
>
> This isn't to say that this problem will *always* occur, cds packet
> written on one drive will often be readable on other makes of drives, but
> the problem is sufficiently present, enough to want to steer clear of
> these Drag and Drop packet writing programs!
>
> John
>
> Tom Brown wrote:
>> I guess I fall in that group of "spectacularly obtuse." I notice that
>> everyone else who responded to this question offered real help but you
>> offered none and seem more intent on getting the point across that you
>> "should not" use any form of copy or drag & drop on a DVD. What about
>> CD-R format? Do you also generally advocate not using any form of drag &
>> drop, send, or copy to a CD? If so, I wonder where you learned such a
>> hard and fast rule or where it's published as common knowledge?
>>
>> Since they present such similar operations, it seems logical to me that
>> it's not unreasonable (or obtuse) to assume that what works for one will
>> work for the other (assuming you have DVR burner software).
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "almostbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> For the spectacularly obtuse
>>> Generally you do not use any form of copy to a dvd drive,
>>> you use a burner software
>>>
>>> --
>>> _ _
>>> "Antares 531" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 -0300, "almostbob"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Generally you dont drag n drop to a dvd drive
>>>>> you use a burner software
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not actually dragging and dropping. I select a file in Windows
>>>> Explorer then right click on it and, from the Send to option I select
>>>> the DVD drive. This works with the CD-R disks but won't work with the
>>>> DVD+R disks.
>>>>
>>>> Where can I get the software you mention?
>>>
>>>
>

[John Inzer]

Tom Brown wrote:
> Thanks John. That's the first I have heard about this problem. I
> frequently go to one folder and copy a set of files and then open the
> CD folder and paste them into it before burning it to the CD. I have
> also highlighted the files to be written, dragged them to the CD
> (using the Folder Button to show the directory tree) and then written
> the CD. I'll have to figure out the correct way to do it now.
>
> Tom
===============================
Yes...the drag/drop method works...in XP
(CDs not DVDs) but there are times...and
we've seen it reported by some very unhappy
users that their files are corrupted.

So...if someone drags/drops to a cd for
archiving and then deletes from the hard
drive thinking everything is backed up...they
are in trouble.

The correct way...or at least the most reliable
way is to use burning software. The freebie
CDBurnerXP is worth a try.

CDBurnerXP
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
(This is a free application
to burn CDs and DVDs)

Actually...with huge external drives being priced
reasonably now they are an excellent way to
archive a large image collection. And...drag /
drop works well for that.

--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Antares 531[_2_]]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:59:50 -0500, Antares 531
> wrote:

>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20 A1S disk drive on my computer but I can
>not get it to copy files to the Sony DVD+R disks I just bought. This
>disk drive works well in all other respects, using CD-R disks. I
>wanted to use the DVD+R disks to store my backup files on. The large
>storage capacity, 4.7 GB, should make these very useful for long-term
>back-up storage.
>
>The CD drive door has the words RW DVD+R DL DVD Multi recorder on the
>front.
>
>When I put a DVD+R disk into this drive it goes through the process of
>recognizing the disk but when I click the Properties button it shows 0
>Used space and 0 Free space. When I try to copy a file to this disk I
>get an error message "Windows encountered a problem when trying to
>copy this folder. What do you want Windows to do?"
>
>Retry Skip Cancel
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>This computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3.
>
Thanks to all of you for your responses. We survived the winter
blizzard and didn't lose power. Everything is about back to normal,
now.

I downloaded the CDBurnerXP application and it worked very well. I got
some of my files backed up and will soon have all of them on DVD+R
disks.

My main remaining question is, how long should these DVD+R disks be
good for. That is, if I put my back-up files on these and store them
in my safe deposit box, how long should the files be reliably
readable? One year...five years...???

[John Inzer]

FWIW...here's a link to a recent message
from a Vista user who cannot access files
on a DVD.

What happened to all my photos on DVD???
http://tinyurl.com/cahslm
or...
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_vide o/browse_thread/thread/dcdae5be8f4ef738/84673c502bab2991?q=what+happened+to+all+my+photos+ on+dvd


--


John Inzer MS-MVP
Digital Media Experience

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

[Antares 531[_2_]]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:07:16 -0400, "John Inzer" >
wrote:

>FWIW...here's a link to a recent message
>from a Vista user who cannot access files
>on a DVD.
>
>What happened to all my photos on DVD???
>http://tinyurl.com/cahslm
> or...
>http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_vide o/browse_thread/thread/dcdae5be8f4ef738/84673c502bab2991?q=what+happened+to+all+my+photos+ on+dvd
>
I just checked my DVD+R backup files made on my desktop computer. I
put the disks into my laptop computer's drive and the files were
readable. The desktop computer's OS is Windows XP Pro, SP3. The laptop
is a Compaq Presario with Vista Home Basic. These files were backed up
onto Sony DVD+R disks, using my desktop computer's LITE-ON DVDRW
LH-20A1S drive. I intend to keep these disks for long term
storage/backups.