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Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
TX
Duke
Tom [Pepper] Willett[_2_]
April 15th 09, 07:26 PM
Yes.
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: SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
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Tom [Pepper] Willett[_2_]
April 15th 09, 07:26 PM
Yes.
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: Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
: point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
: SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
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: TX
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: Duke
JS
April 15th 09, 07:35 PM
Yes, but only updates/upgrades to the OS,
Applications like MS Office and others
are not part of an OS Service Pack.
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> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
>
> TX
>
> Duke
JS
April 15th 09, 07:35 PM
Yes, but only updates/upgrades to the OS,
Applications like MS Office and others
are not part of an OS Service Pack.
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JS
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> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
>
> TX
>
> Duke
Ken Blake, MVP
April 15th 09, 09:32 PM
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:56:12 -0400, wrote:
> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
Yes.
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Ken Blake, MVP
April 15th 09, 09:32 PM
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:56:12 -0400, wrote:
> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
Yes.
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Adam Casada
April 15th 09, 10:29 PM
Yes, but remeber that any upgrades after sp3 was released won't be there.
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> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
>
> TX
>
> Duke
Adam Casada
April 15th 09, 10:29 PM
Yes, but remeber that any upgrades after sp3 was released won't be there.
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> Can one assume that a given XP SP contains all the upgrades to that
> point? For example, would SP3 contain all upgrades occurring after
> SP2 to the point of issuance of SP3?
>
> TX
>
> Duke
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
> wrote:
>Yes.
Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
Duke
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
> wrote:
>Yes.
Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
Duke
Olórin[_2_]
April 16th 09, 09:32 AM
wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>
> Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
> I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
> particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
>
> Duke
Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my experience...
Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would be
up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
compatible software.
Olorin
April 16th 09, 09:32 AM
wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>
> Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
> I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
> particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
>
> Duke
Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my experience...
Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would be
up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
compatible software.
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> wrote:
>
>Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my experience...
>Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
>fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would be
>up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
>compatible software.
>
Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
SP3.
The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
the Alps printer ceasing to work.
What do you think?
Duke
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> wrote:
>
>Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my experience...
>Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
>fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would be
>up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
>compatible software.
>
Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
SP3.
The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
the Alps printer ceasing to work.
What do you think?
Duke
JS
April 16th 09, 03:50 PM
Was he using one of Microsoft's default/built-in printer
drivers for the Alps printer or Alps's own printer driver
from the Alps CD or from their web site?
If he was using Microsoft's printer driver this could be the
reason why it failed after installing SP3.
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JS
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> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
>>experience...
>>Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
>>fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would
>>be
>>up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
>>compatible software.
>>
>
>
> Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
>
> The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
> The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
> SP3.
> The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
> Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
> the Alps printer ceasing to work.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Duke
JS
April 16th 09, 03:50 PM
Was he using one of Microsoft's default/built-in printer
drivers for the Alps printer or Alps's own printer driver
from the Alps CD or from their web site?
If he was using Microsoft's printer driver this could be the
reason why it failed after installing SP3.
--
JS
http:/www.pagestart.com
> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
>>experience...
>>Not to mention that upgrading "software from other vendors" would probably
>>fall foul of the software licences wrt reverse-engineering, etc. It would
>>be
>>up to the vendors (or, more accurately, the manufacturers) to produce
>>compatible software.
>>
>
>
> Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
>
> The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
> The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
> SP3.
> The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
> Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
> the Alps printer ceasing to work.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Duke
Olórin[_2_]
April 16th 09, 04:33 PM
wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
>> experience... Not to mention that upgrading "software from other
>> vendors" would probably fall foul of the software licences wrt
>> reverse-engineering, etc. It would be up to the vendors (or, more
>> accurately, the manufacturers) to produce compatible software.
>>
>
>
> Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
>
> The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
> The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
> SP3.
> The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
> Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
> the Alps printer ceasing to work.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Duke
Well, the first thing I'd try with SP3 installed is downloading the latest
drivers, if necessary, then (re)installing them. Failing that, contact the
good folk at Alps, perhaps via their website first - this could be a known
issue with a downloadable fix. I still say that Microsoft aren't going to
issue updated drivers for third-party hardware, even if their SP *did* make
it stop working.
Olorin
April 16th 09, 04:33 PM
wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 +0100, "Ol—rin"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
>> experience... Not to mention that upgrading "software from other
>> vendors" would probably fall foul of the software licences wrt
>> reverse-engineering, etc. It would be up to the vendors (or, more
>> accurately, the manufacturers) to produce compatible software.
>>
>
>
> Well my friend with the ALPS problem says:
>
> The Alps printer worked immediately prior to installation of SP3.
> The Alps printer did not work immediately following installation of
> SP3.
> The Alps printer resumed working immediately following removal of SP3.
> Nothing else having change, SP3 is therefore the proximate cause of
> the Alps printer ceasing to work.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Duke
Well, the first thing I'd try with SP3 installed is downloading the latest
drivers, if necessary, then (re)installing them. Failing that, contact the
good folk at Alps, perhaps via their website first - this could be a known
issue with a downloadable fix. I still say that Microsoft aren't going to
issue updated drivers for third-party hardware, even if their SP *did* make
it stop working.
Twayne[_2_]
April 16th 09, 05:35 PM
Olórin wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
>> I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
>> particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
>>
>> Duke
>
> Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
> experience... Not to mention that upgrading "software from other
> vendors" would probably fall foul of the software licences wrt
> reverse-engineering, etc. It would be up to the vendors (or, more
> accurately, the manufacturers) to produce compatible software.
Yes, they do. They will often offer critical updates for vendors of
cards that are often used in computers running windows. They are NOT
recommended however, as only the actual component vendor knows the whole
story and will have the lates upgrades and supporting information.
Unless you're stuck, always go to the manufacturer's site for wahtever
you need drivers for. nVidia video cards is one place where they've
created some spectacular failures, for instance, by not making
applicability clear enough where nvidia istelf will.
HTH,
Twayne
Twayne[_2_]
April 16th 09, 05:35 PM
Olórin wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:29 -0500, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Would MS upgrade software from other vendors to make it run under XP?
>> I have a friend that insists that seems so, but I doubt it. In
>> particular, he is having trouble with ALPS drivers.
>>
>> Duke
>
> Such altruism would be against the grain for Microsoft, in my
> experience... Not to mention that upgrading "software from other
> vendors" would probably fall foul of the software licences wrt
> reverse-engineering, etc. It would be up to the vendors (or, more
> accurately, the manufacturers) to produce compatible software.
Yes, they do. They will often offer critical updates for vendors of
cards that are often used in computers running windows. They are NOT
recommended however, as only the actual component vendor knows the whole
story and will have the lates upgrades and supporting information.
Unless you're stuck, always go to the manufacturer's site for wahtever
you need drivers for. nVidia video cards is one place where they've
created some spectacular failures, for instance, by not making
applicability clear enough where nvidia istelf will.
HTH,
Twayne
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