Rebuilding an old computer

[Antares 531[_2_]]

I have an old computer with an ASUS P2B mb in a PC Power & Cooling
tall tower case. I really like this very well built case, but the mb
is about obsolete. I would like to fit this case with a new mb that is
specifically chosen for office work. That is, I do not use this
computer for games or on-line videos.

This case is designed for an AT/ATX mb, and I will have to select a
new mb that will fit the dimensions and match up with the mounting
holes and rear connection ports.

I'm considering an Intel Core 2 Quad Core CPU but have not firmed this
up, yet.

I intend to get this computer rebuilt then install Windows 7 on it
when they get it thoroughly checked out and on the market. I'll be
using it for AutoCAD drafting and general MS Office software. I also
may use it for Adobe Photo Shop graphics work.

I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
drafting layouts.

I've looked at the Gigabyte EP45-UB3P and the ASUS P5B-VM but can't
get enough information together to make any decisions.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Gordon

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"Antares 531" > wrote in message
...
>I have an old computer with an ASUS P2B mb in a PC Power & Cooling
> tall tower case. I really like this very well built case, but the mb
> is about obsolete. I would like to fit this case with a new mb that is
> specifically chosen for office work. That is, I do not use this
> computer for games or on-line videos.
>
> This case is designed for an AT/ATX mb, and I will have to select a
> new mb that will fit the dimensions and match up with the mounting
> holes and rear connection ports.
>
> I'm considering an Intel Core 2 Quad Core CPU but have not firmed this
> up, yet.
>
> I intend to get this computer rebuilt then install Windows 7 on it
> when they get it thoroughly checked out and on the market. I'll be
> using it for AutoCAD drafting and general MS Office software. I also
> may use it for Adobe Photo Shop graphics work.
>
> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
> drafting layouts.
>
> I've looked at the Gigabyte EP45-UB3P and the ASUS P5B-VM but can't
> get enough information together to make any decisions.
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Gordon

Since your questions relate to hardware, not Windows, the experts in a
hardware newsgroup would be best qualified to help you.

[db]

if all your keeping is
the case,

then you should leave
that old computer as is

or do some minor
upgrades to it.

then instead of tossing
out the innards of that old
computer only to re-stuff
the case with something
compatible,

just buy a bare bones
kit.

then you will have 2
computers that you
can network together
and have as a backup.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- Microsoft Partner
- @hotmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen

>
>

"Antares 531" > wrote in message ...
> I have an old computer with an ASUS P2B mb in a PC Power & Cooling
> tall tower case. I really like this very well built case, but the mb
> is about obsolete. I would like to fit this case with a new mb that is
> specifically chosen for office work. That is, I do not use this
> computer for games or on-line videos.
>
> This case is designed for an AT/ATX mb, and I will have to select a
> new mb that will fit the dimensions and match up with the mounting
> holes and rear connection ports.
>
> I'm considering an Intel Core 2 Quad Core CPU but have not firmed this
> up, yet.
>
> I intend to get this computer rebuilt then install Windows 7 on it
> when they get it thoroughly checked out and on the market. I'll be
> using it for AutoCAD drafting and general MS Office software. I also
> may use it for Adobe Photo Shop graphics work.
>
> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
> drafting layouts.
>
> I've looked at the Gigabyte EP45-UB3P and the ASUS P5B-VM but can't
> get enough information together to make any decisions.
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Gordon

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:32:43 -0500, Antares 531
> wrote:


> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
> drafting layouts.



Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
in a Windows XP one. Mot only is your question off-topic here, but you
would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
would ask where the hardware experts hang out.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Andrew E.]

ATX boards will all be compatable with an ATX designed tower.For MB,
go to intel.com,desktop,locate the board configuration page,this lets you
make up the board with what you want,the configuration lists all brands
that comply.Its hard to beat an intel board,by intel...

"Antares 531" wrote:

> I have an old computer with an ASUS P2B mb in a PC Power & Cooling
> tall tower case. I really like this very well built case, but the mb
> is about obsolete. I would like to fit this case with a new mb that is
> specifically chosen for office work. That is, I do not use this
> computer for games or on-line videos.
>
> This case is designed for an AT/ATX mb, and I will have to select a
> new mb that will fit the dimensions and match up with the mounting
> holes and rear connection ports.
>
> I'm considering an Intel Core 2 Quad Core CPU but have not firmed this
> up, yet.
>
> I intend to get this computer rebuilt then install Windows 7 on it
> when they get it thoroughly checked out and on the market. I'll be
> using it for AutoCAD drafting and general MS Office software. I also
> may use it for Adobe Photo Shop graphics work.
>
> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
> drafting layouts.
>
> I've looked at the Gigabyte EP45-UB3P and the ASUS P5B-VM but can't
> get enough information together to make any decisions.
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Gordon
>

[Paul]

Antares 531 wrote:
> I have an old computer with an ASUS P2B mb in a PC Power & Cooling
> tall tower case. I really like this very well built case, but the mb
> is about obsolete. I would like to fit this case with a new mb that is
> specifically chosen for office work. That is, I do not use this
> computer for games or on-line videos.
>
> This case is designed for an AT/ATX mb, and I will have to select a
> new mb that will fit the dimensions and match up with the mounting
> holes and rear connection ports.
>
> I'm considering an Intel Core 2 Quad Core CPU but have not firmed this
> up, yet.
>
> I intend to get this computer rebuilt then install Windows 7 on it
> when they get it thoroughly checked out and on the market. I'll be
> using it for AutoCAD drafting and general MS Office software. I also
> may use it for Adobe Photo Shop graphics work.
>
> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
> drafting layouts.
>
> I've looked at the Gigabyte EP45-UB3P and the ASUS P5B-VM but can't
> get enough information together to make any decisions.
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Gordon

In terms of processors, there is LGA775 and Core2 family, or there
is LGA1366 and Core i7. One benefit of the LGA775, is the potential
for a lower system cost, if you use the absolute cheapest components.
For example, DDR2 memory is cheap compared to DDR3, so you can
save some money by sticking with a system that uses DDR2 memory.

The P5B-VM is based on G965 and handles up to FSB1066. It is an older board.
But there are processors now at FSB1333 (and perhaps a couple at FSB1600 or so).
So investing in a FSB1066 motherboard at this point, doesn't make much
sense. So that is an easy one to reject. An FSB1333 motherboard would
be a better choice.

A P45 motherboard, assumes you'll be buying a video card separately.
I checked the Autocad site, and the hardware requirements didn't
state any preferences for a video card, except that it have 128MB
of RAM onboard or more. There was no requirement for a Quadro or
FireGL card.

Your Gigabyte board is a full sized ATX. 12" x 9.6" is the size of a
regular ATX motherboard. The really cheap motherboards, nibble away
at the 9.6" width dimension, which sometimes leaves the motherboard
poorly support mechanically on one edge.

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-128-358-S03?$S640W$

The board uses a 24 pin power connector (and new power supplies have a 20+4
connector, which can be used with older 20 pin motherboards or newer
24 pin motherboards). The Gigabyte board has a 2x4 connector for processor
power, but that isn't typically fully needed. You can easily plug a 2x2
connector in there (pick the right holes), and still be safe. The 2x2
connector is good for up to a 130W processor at stock speed. Intel Quads
right now, probably have a lower TDP than that.

This is a cost effective quad that draws 95W and has 12MB of cache. $220
Processor can be overclocked a bit it desired.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

For a video card, any non-gamer card is probably sufficient to drive the
screen at whatever resolution.

There is a video card here, with two DVI-I connectors on the faceplate.
The box includes one DVI-I to VGA dongle, in case you have a VGA 15 pin
monitor to connector. (Purchase a second one of those, if you wanted to
use two VGA monitors at the same time.) The card has 1GB of memory,
which may or may not help you. A card with 512MB would probably perform
just as well. And this one is $65, so if it turns out to be a mistake, you
haven't lost much.

XFX HD-465X-ZDF2 Radeon HD 4650 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150396

http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/hd%204000series/4650.aspx#2

HIS H465FS512P Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161262

I'm not familiar with the mechanics of monitor rotation. I understand
some of them have a switch or something, such that the video card
changes the display, as the user rotates the screen. In other cases,
it might require a change in the Display control panel, to rotate the
image 90 degrees or whatever.

*******

It is possible to get motherboards with built-in graphics. For
example, this one has an Nvidia chipset, and might be used for
a Home Theatre PC. The motherboard is microATX, 9.6" x 9.6",
so has fewer expansion slots and takes up less room. The hole
pattern uses a subset of the holes on the ATX form factor. If
you want to add a video card to this later, it has a slot big
enough for a modern video card.

(Example of microATX board with built-in graphics of recent vintage.
Read the reviews for comments. Also, *always* check the CPU Support
charts on the motherboard manufacturer web site before you buy.
While there, you can download the motherboard user manual. )

GIGABYTE GA-E7AUM-DS2H LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128363

For a power supply, the processor and the video card are
the major variables in the selection process. The HD 4650 video
card is low end, and has no Auxiliary power connector on the
end of it. Its maximum power consumption is listed here as 30W.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-radeon-hd4650_4.html#sect0

There are like five hundred different power supplies to choose from.
My random choice this time, is a small Enermax 80+ efficiency
400W supply, which should be sufficient for a system with a gutless
video card. The cabling is (partially) modular - the two main power
connectors (the 24 pin and the 2x2 processor power) are permanently
attached, but the other accessory cables, can be installed as needed.
I wasn't particularly searching for that feature, but this one has
it. I currently have an Enermax which has been quiet and well behaved.

ENERMAX Liberty ELT400AWT-ECO 400W ATX12V / EPS12V
80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC $85

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194042

The 80 Plus certification means the supply is more than 80% efficient.
That means less waste heat, while the supply is doing its job.
It also allows the supply fan to run quietly. If you keep the
supply for ten years, the power saved might even compensate for
the more expensive supply. Regular supplies are around 68%
efficient.

My cur off on supplies, is 3.3V @ 20A and 5V @ 20A, and this applies
to modern motherboards being purchased today. The numbers are selected
in the believe that normal systems won't make a dent in that capability.
A motherboard uses perhaps 50W from those rails, so that should be
enough to handle it. The 12V rails on that supply will easily handle
the 9A the processor might draw, and a handful of hard drives should
not bother the remaining rail of the dual rails at all.

HTH,
Paul

[Unknown]

Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?

"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:32:43 -0500, Antares 531
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
>> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
>> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
>> drafting layouts.
>
>
>
> Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
> in a Windows XP one. Mot only is your question off-topic here, but you
> would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
> would ask where the hardware experts hang out.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Monitor]

Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction where he
would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing useful in your own
reply. If you had tried a little harder then you could have quoted the exact
name of a relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always easier
than doing.

Plonk.

"Unknown" > wrote in message
...
> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>

[Unknown]

Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!

Plonk!
"Monitor" > wrote in message
...
> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction where
> he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing useful in
> your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you could have
> quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
> Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always
> easier than doing.
>
> Plonk.
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>
>
>

[Monitor]

I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him
nothing.

"Unknown" > wrote in message
...
> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>
> Plonk!
> "Monitor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction where
>> he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing useful in
>> your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you could have
>> quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
>> Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always
>> easier than doing.
>>
>> Plonk.
>>
>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Unknown]

I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
"Monitor" > wrote in message
...
>I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him
>nothing.
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>
>> Plonk!
>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction where
>>> he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing useful in
>>> your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you could have
>>> quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
>>> Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always
>>> easier than doing.
>>>
>>> Plonk.
>>>
>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[James Watson[_2_]]

You may not like Ken but the fact stands that Ken pointed the OP in the
right direction. You now claim that you did the OP a favor by telling him to
ignore Ken's correct advice. Do you expect the OP to thank you for your
misleading piece of advice?

This is a fine example of turning negative into positive. Have you ever
considered the career of a spin doctor?


"Unknown" > wrote in message
...
>I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
> "Monitor" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him
>>nothing.
>>
>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>>
>>> Plonk!
>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction
>>>> where he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing
>>>> useful in your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you
>>>> could have quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
>>>> Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always
>>>> easier than doing.
>>>>
>>>> Plonk.
>>>>
>>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Unknown]

Misleading????????
"James Watson" > wrote in message
...
> You may not like Ken but the fact stands that Ken pointed the OP in the
> right direction. You now claim that you did the OP a favor by telling him
> to ignore Ken's correct advice. Do you expect the OP to thank you for your
> misleading piece of advice?
>
> This is a fine example of turning negative into positive. Have you ever
> considered the career of a spin doctor?
>
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him
>>>nothing.
>>>
>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>>>
>>>> Plonk!
>>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction
>>>>> where he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing
>>>>> useful in your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you
>>>>> could have quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup
>>>>> (e.g. Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is
>>>>> always easier than doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plonk.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Ray Luca]

"James Watson" > wrote:

>This is a fine example of turning negative into positive. Have you ever
>considered the career of a spin doctor?

The weasel doesn't even "plonk" when he says he did.

He's a bozo - I plonked him moons ago.


>"Unknown" > wrote in message
...
>>I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him
>>>nothing.
>>>
>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>>>
>>>> Plonk!
>>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message

[db]

the fact is that if the o.p.
wanted to know if this
newsgroup was appropriate
to ask the question about
rebuilding an old computer,

then the o.p. would have
asked.

but the complaint about the
mvp's here are valid.

"anyone" can ask "any" questions
on "any" newsgroup.

it is not for anyone to dictate
what questions can be asked
or who should respond.

"Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
in a Windows XP one."

the above is not for anyone
to decide or dictate.

" Not only is your question off-topic here"

it is not off topic because
the o.p. was asking a variety
of questions that could be
answered by anyone.

"you would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
would ask where the hardware experts hang out.

the statement above is
condensending to everyone
who took the time to provide
some helpful suggestions.

perhaps, it was not the mvp's
intent to be newsgroup police.

however, maybe when the
opportunity arises again,

they will likely suggest to the
o.p. in a professional manner
to cross post the question
so that additional information
can be obtained in order to
make an informed decision.

in all fairness, the mvp's had
a right to provide a response
to the issue at hand as well.

but were the responses helpful
or controversial.

as a result of their responses,
this thread has become an
off topic event.

ironic, isn't it?
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- Microsoft Partner
- @hotmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen

>
>

"James Watson" > wrote in message ...
> You may not like Ken but the fact stands that Ken pointed the OP in the right direction. You now claim that you did the OP a favor
> by telling him to ignore Ken's correct advice. Do you expect the OP to thank you for your misleading piece of advice?
>
> This is a fine example of turning negative into positive. Have you ever considered the career of a spin doctor?
>
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message ...
>>I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
>> "Monitor" > wrote in message ...
>>>I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave him nothing.
>>>
>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message ...
>>>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>>>
>>>> Plonk!
>>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message ...
>>>>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction where he would be most likely to get expert help. There is
>>>>> nothing useful in your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you could have quoted the exact name of a relevant
>>>>> hardware newsgroup (e.g. Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is always easier than doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plonk.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message ...
>>>>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Twayne[_2_]]

Didn't I just see you plonk him?


"Unknown" > wrote in message

> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>
> Plonk!
> "Monitor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right direction
>> where he would be most likely to get expert help. There is nothing
>> useful in your own reply. If you had tried a little harder then you
>> could have quoted the exact name of a relevant hardware newsgroup
>> (e.g. Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is
>> always easier than doing.
>>
>> Plonk.
>>
>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?

[Twayne[_2_]]

Actually no, not ironic at all IMO. Unfortunately it's typical of many
of the supposed MVP's and their narcissistic, ego-bound sense of self
importance and some are only posting lately to be sure they've got a
good trail for the MVP universe as is required to maintain the "title".
A specific set of them has no bona fide interest in helping people at
all and are tired of it. They should gracefully exit stage right, IMO.

Cheers,`

Twayne



"db" <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message

> the fact is that if the o.p.
> wanted to know if this
> newsgroup was appropriate
> to ask the question about
> rebuilding an old computer,
>
> then the o.p. would have
> asked.
>
> but the complaint about the
> mvp's here are valid.
>
> "anyone" can ask "any" questions
> on "any" newsgroup.
>
> it is not for anyone to dictate
> what questions can be asked
> or who should respond.
>
> "Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
> in a Windows XP one."
>
> the above is not for anyone
> to decide or dictate.
>
> " Not only is your question off-topic here"
>
> it is not off topic because
> the o.p. was asking a variety
> of questions that could be
> answered by anyone.
>
> "you would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if
> you would ask where the hardware experts hang out.
>
> the statement above is
> condensending to everyone
> who took the time to provide
> some helpful suggestions.
>
> perhaps, it was not the mvp's
> intent to be newsgroup police.
>
> however, maybe when the
> opportunity arises again,
>
> they will likely suggest to the
> o.p. in a professional manner
> to cross post the question
> so that additional information
> can be obtained in order to
> make an informed decision.
>
> in all fairness, the mvp's had
> a right to provide a response
> to the issue at hand as well.
>
> but were the responses helpful
> or controversial.
>
> as a result of their responses,
> this thread has become an
> off topic event.
>
> ironic, isn't it?
>
>>
>>
>
> "James Watson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You may not like Ken but the fact stands that Ken pointed the OP in
>> the right direction. You now claim that you did the OP a favor by
>> telling him to ignore Ken's correct advice. Do you expect the OP to
>> thank you for your misleading piece of advice? This is a fine
>> example of turning negative into positive. Have you
>> ever considered the career of a spin doctor? "Unknown"
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I gave him a hint to ignore Ken!
>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I gave the OP the correct link for a hardware newsgroup. You gave
>>>> him nothing. "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Yes criticizing is always easier Ala your response!
>>>>>
>>>>> Plonk!
>>>>> "Monitor" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Ken wrote a useful reply: He pointed the OP in the right
>>>>>> direction where he would be most likely to get expert help.
>>>>>> There is nothing useful in your own reply. If you had tried a
>>>>>> little harder then you could have quoted the exact name of a
>>>>>> relevant hardware newsgroup (e.g.
>>>>>> Microsoft.Publick.WindowsXP.hardware) but then critizizing is
>>>>>> always easier than doing. Plonk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unknown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Why do you continue acting like a newsgroup cop?

[Rich]

"db" <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
...
> the fact is that if the o.p.
> wanted to know if this
> newsgroup was appropriate
> to ask the question about
> rebuilding an old computer,
>
> then the o.p. would have
> asked.
>
> but the complaint about the
> mvp's here are valid.
>
> "anyone" can ask "any" questions
> on "any" newsgroup.
>
> it is not for anyone to dictate
> what questions can be asked
> or who should respond.
>
> "Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
> in a Windows XP one."
>
> the above is not for anyone
> to decide or dictate.
>
> " Not only is your question off-topic here"
>
> it is not off topic because
> the o.p. was asking a variety
> of questions that could be
> answered by anyone.
>
> "you would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
> would ask where the hardware experts hang out.
>
> the statement above is
> condensending to everyone
> who took the time to provide
> some helpful suggestions.
>
> perhaps, it was not the mvp's
> intent to be newsgroup police.
>
> however, maybe when the
> opportunity arises again,
>
> they will likely suggest to the
> o.p. in a professional manner
> to cross post the question
> so that additional information
> can be obtained in order to
> make an informed decision.
>
> in all fairness, the mvp's had
> a right to provide a response
> to the issue at hand as well.
>
> but were the responses helpful
> or controversial.
>
> as a result of their responses,
> this thread has become an
> off topic event.
>
> ironic, isn't it?
> --
>
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
> - Systems Analyst
> - Database Developer
> - Accountancy
> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
> - Microsoft Partner
> - @hotmail.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen


I lurk on computer newsgroups to glean invaluable information. Being above
average in amateur computer skills & seeing the level of expertise on this
newsgroup, I never see the value of offering my feeble advice. While I
understand the significance of setting up pertinent newsgroups to prevent
anarchy & bring some order to the process of finding expert advice on
specific topics, many times I have restrained myself from responding to the
self-appointed newsgroup police who seek to inflate their fragile egos by
scrutinizing & analyzing every post to find one that they can jump on.
Unless a poster asks advice on how to drop a tranny on a '57 Chevy, I feel
that the purpose of newsgroups & the internet in general is to share
information & help each other.
The point of this diatribe is to recognize, in particular, DatabaseBen. I
have seen threads that reach a dozen replies both castigating & defending
the poster for a perceived "off topic" post. Typically, either somewhere in
the middle of the thread or at the end, there will be a reply from
DatabaseBen that calmly dispenses expert advice without judgment of the
relevance of the question to the newsgroup. There are several other experts
on this group that are just as helpful. I just wanted to thank all the
experts that just help poor schmucks like me by just answering the question.
Some problems defy a Google search & need a detailed question to receive a
resolution. In the last 15 years I have come from not knowing how to start
Windows 3.11 to being able take a computer totally apart & put it back
together, set up & maintain a mixed wired/wireless 6 computer home network &
never walk away from my wife or kids' computer without fixing the hardware
or software issue. All because of internet searches & the help of caring
experts on newsgroups.
I have now made this thread even more off topic so have at me. I can take
it.
Rich

[Bill in Co.]

Rich wrote:
> "db" <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
> ...
>> the fact is that if the o.p.
>> wanted to know if this
>> newsgroup was appropriate
>> to ask the question about
>> rebuilding an old computer,
>>
>> then the o.p. would have
>> asked.
>>
>> but the complaint about the
>> mvp's here are valid.
>>
>> "anyone" can ask "any" questions
>> on "any" newsgroup.
>>
>> it is not for anyone to dictate
>> what questions can be asked
>> or who should respond.
>>
>> "Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
>> in a Windows XP one."
>>
>> the above is not for anyone
>> to decide or dictate.
>>
>> " Not only is your question off-topic here"
>>
>> it is not off topic because
>> the o.p. was asking a variety
>> of questions that could be
>> answered by anyone.

Oh goodie! That being the case, can I ask some questions about Sarah
Palin? (I mean who knows, maybe she is rebuilding a computer, which sounds
kinda general to me, LOL).

>> "you would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
>> would ask where the hardware experts hang out.
>>
>> the statement above is
>> condensending to everyone

condensending?

>> who took the time to provide
>> some helpful suggestions.
>>
>> perhaps, it was not the mvp's
>> intent to be newsgroup police.
>>
>> however, maybe when the
>> opportunity arises again,
>>
>> they will likely suggest to the
>> o.p. in a professional manner
>> to cross post the question
>> so that additional information
>> can be obtained in order to
>> make an informed decision.
>>
>> in all fairness, the mvp's had
>> a right to provide a response
>> to the issue at hand as well.
>>
>> but were the responses helpful
>> or controversial.
>>
>> as a result of their responses,
>> this thread has become an
>> off topic event.
>>
>> ironic, isn't it?

Indeed!

>>
>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>> - Systems Analyst
>> - Database Developer
>> - Accountancy
>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>> - Microsoft Partner
>> - @hotmail.com
>> ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen
>
>
> I lurk on computer newsgroups to glean invaluable information. Being above
> average in amateur computer skills & seeing the level of expertise on this
> newsgroup, I never see the value of offering my feeble advice. While I
> understand the significance of setting up pertinent newsgroups to prevent
> anarchy & bring some order to the process of finding expert advice on
> specific topics, many times I have restrained myself from responding to
> the
> self-appointed newsgroup police who seek to inflate their fragile egos by
> scrutinizing & analyzing every post to find one that they can jump on.
> Unless a poster asks advice on how to drop a tranny on a '57 Chevy, I feel
> that the purpose of newsgroups & the internet in general is to share
> information & help each other.
> The point of this diatribe is to recognize, in particular, DatabaseBen. I
> have seen threads that reach a dozen replies both castigating & defending
> the poster for a perceived "off topic" post. Typically, either somewhere
> in
> the middle of the thread or at the end, there will be a reply from
> DatabaseBen that calmly dispenses expert advice without judgment of the
> relevance of the question to the newsgroup. There are several other
> experts
> on this group that are just as helpful. I just wanted to thank all the
> experts that just help poor schmucks like me by just answering the
> question.
> Some problems defy a Google search & need a detailed question to receive a
> resolution. In the last 15 years I have come from not knowing how to start
> Windows 3.11 to being able take a computer totally apart & put it back
> together, set up & maintain a mixed wired/wireless 6 computer home network
> &
> never walk away from my wife or kids' computer without fixing the hardware
> or software issue. All because of internet searches & the help of caring
> experts on newsgroups.
> I have now made this thread even more off topic so have at me. I can take
> it.
> Rich

[Lil' Dave]

"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:32:43 -0500, Antares 531
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I'd like some suggestions as to the best mb for this kind of setup,
>> and also for a good flat screened monitor that can be rotated such
>> that its long axis is vertical. This works very well for some AutoCAD
>> drafting layouts.
>
>
>
> Please ask questions about hardware in a hardware newsgroup, not here
> in a Windows XP one. Mot only is your question off-topic here, but you
> would be much more likely to get the help you are looking for if you
> would ask where the hardware experts hang out.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

You started off good giving the OP a place to go. Left bad by telling the
OP not to post such in this newsgroup. All in one sentence.
--
"All men are created equal"
No one said they weren't different.
No one said they would not disagree.
No one said they would not have different perspectives.
No one said they would all work in harmony.
"We the peope" is a collective of all of these.

Dave