Reinstallation of XP

[PTK]

hi,

Can any one guide me in my small problem?
recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd (click any
button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and nothing happens.
The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.

PLS. some help .....

[BillW50]

In ,
PTK typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:50:01 -0700:
> hi,
>
> Can any one guide me in my small problem?
> recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
> now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd
> (click any button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and
> nothing happens.
> The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
> again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.
>
> PLS. some help .....

You need to delete the Linux partition(s) first.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[philo]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> PTK typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:50:01 -0700:
>> hi,
>>
>> Can any one guide me in my small problem?
>> recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
>> now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd
>> (click any button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and
>> nothing happens.
>> The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
>> again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.
>>
>> PLS. some help .....
>
> You need to delete the Linux partition(s) first.
>


No

does not matter what's on the HD

if the bios is set to boot first from cd it should do so


Unless the cd itself is dirty or scratched...then the cd or dvd
rom/writer is defective...
though there could possibly be other h/w issues

[BillW50]

In ,
philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:22:38 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> PTK typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:50:01 -0700:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> Can any one guide me in my small problem?
>>> recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
>>> now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd
>>> (click any button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and
>>> nothing happens.
>>> The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
>>> again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.
>>>
>>> PLS. some help .....
>>
>> You need to delete the Linux partition(s) first.
>
> No
>
> does not matter what's on the HD

No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen and
freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay
and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and then
you can install XP.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Malke[_2_]]

BillW50 wrote:


> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen and
> freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay
> and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and then
> you can install XP.
>

That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which used to
hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot from the CD and
install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP CD
or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

[BillW50]

In ,
Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen and
>> freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install disc is
>> okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux partition
>> and then you can install XP.
>
> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot from
> the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this
> from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
> probably wrong with his drive.

I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and learn
many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you calling them
liars?

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[philo]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen and
>>> freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install disc is
>>> okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux partition
>>> and then you can install XP.
>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
>> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot from
>> the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this
>> from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>> probably wrong with his drive.
>
> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and learn
> many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you calling them
> liars?
>



Rubbish

nothing to do with Linux being on the drive

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>
>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
>> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot from
>> the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this
>> from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>> probably wrong with his drive.
>
> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
> calling them liars?

Malke and philo are talking about a Clean Install instead of a dual
boot. No one is calling anyone a liar!

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps

PTK wrote:
> hi,
>
> Can any one guide me in my small problem?
> recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
> now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd (click
> any
> button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and nothing happens.
> The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
> again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.
>
> PLS. some help .....

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:36:28 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
>>> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot
>>> from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do
>>> this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>> probably wrong with his drive.
>>
>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>> calling them liars?
>
> Malke and philo are talking about a Clean Install instead of a dual
> boot. No one is calling anyone a liar!

I'm also talking about a clean install. See for yourself.

http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[BillW50]

In ,
philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
>>> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot
>>> from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do
>>> this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>> probably wrong with his drive.
>>
>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>> calling them liars?
>
> Rubbish
>
> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive

Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows XP
from being installed.

http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Paul]

PTK wrote:
> hi,
>
> Can any one guide me in my small problem?
> recently I changed my operating system from windows xp to Fedora 8 .
> now, when I am trying reinstall windows xp, after reading the cd (click any
> button to boot from CD), its showing blank screen and nothing happens.
> The system is IBM THINKPAD X60s.
> again i tried with IBM recovery cd and same thing happens.
>
> PLS. some help .....

Do you know, whether any special properties of the Thinkpad,
rely on the contents of the MBR ? Perhaps when Fedora
was installed, and the MBR was rewritten, it upset
some quirk of the Thinkpad ?

Normally, you'd expect the CD should boot, rather than
having no response at all. You could still have problems
installing, but at the very least, the Windows installer
CD should start to boot.

The Thinkpads, do have potential security options, and it is
hard to guess what side effects that might have on the "general usage"
of the computer. Some of the security features are of the
"shoot yourself in the foot" variety, because to reset the
passwords may involve some expense. So I hope it isn't
something like that.

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62845#sec

Paul

[philo]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives which
>>>> used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to boot
>>>> from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he can't do
>>>> this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>>> probably wrong with his drive.
>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>> calling them liars?
>> Rubbish
>>
>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>
> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows XP
> from being installed.
>
> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>


I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
doing...or...
who knows maybe had a H/W problem

However just to confirm

I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it

and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.


I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd

and the problem was always due to a hardware problem

[BillW50]

In ,
philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the
>>>>>> Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to
>>>>> boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he
>>>>> can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>> calling them liars?
>>> Rubbish
>>>
>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>
>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows XP
>> from being installed.
>>
>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>
>
>
> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>
> However just to confirm
> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>
> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem

ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with UNetbootin
to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't touch your XP
partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free)
installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the background
and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Mark Adams[_2_]]

"BillW50" wrote:

> In ,
> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
> > BillW50 wrote:
> >> In ,
> >> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
> >>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>> In ,
> >>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
> >>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
> >>>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
> >>>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the
> >>>>>> Linux partition and then you can install XP.
> >>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
> >>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to
> >>>>> boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he
> >>>>> can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
> >>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
> >>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
> >>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
> >>>> calling them liars?
> >>> Rubbish
> >>>
> >>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
> >>
> >> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows XP
> >> from being installed.
> >>
> >> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
> >>
> >
> >
> > I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
> > doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
> >
> > However just to confirm
> > I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
> > and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
> >
> > I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
> > and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>
> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with UNetbootin
> to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't touch your XP
> partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free)
> installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the background
> and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.
>
> --
> Bill
> Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2
>


I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and where to
get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way, if you read the
thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I
don't.

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Daave typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:36:28 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>
>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to
>>>> boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he
>>>> can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>
>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>> calling them liars?
>>
>> Malke and philo are talking about a Clean Install instead of a dual
>> boot. No one is calling anyone a liar!
>
> I'm also talking about a clean install. See for yourself.
>
> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp

Sorry, Bill, but there was nothing relevant in that thread.

[Daave[_8_]]

Mark Adams wrote:
> "BillW50" wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7
>>>>>>>> install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>>>> calling them liars?
>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>
>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>
>>> However just to confirm
>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>
>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>
>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics
>> - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but
>> it does.
>>
>> --
>> Bill
>> Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2
>>
>
>
> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
> where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way, if
> you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk. Anybody use
> that for XP? I don't.

Have a look here, Mark:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-install-windows-after-installing-fedora-core-3-295701/

I only skimmed it. Although some people were multi-booting, there were a
number who were attempting to perform clean installs, too, booting off
the XP CD. I saw mentions of Fedora Core 3 and 6. The theories had
something to do with overlapping partitions and number of cylinders.

Of course, it could be coincidence (or a red herring) that Linux was
involved and that there was user error or there was problematic
hardware. Or maybe there *is* something to what Bill is saying. The
problem is I'm not sure you'll be able to duplicate this, but if you
try, please let us know what you find out!

[philo]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank screen
>>>>>>> and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7 install
>>>>>>> disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to remove the
>>>>>>> Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able to
>>>>>> boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since he
>>>>>> can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>>> calling them liars?
>>>> Rubbish
>>>>
>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows XP
>>> from being installed.
>>>
>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>
>>
>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>
>> However just to confirm
>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>
>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>
> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with UNetbootin
> to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't touch your XP
> partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free)
> installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the background
> and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.
>


Yes

as I mentioned 1000 times

I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions over
the past eight years.

The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or Linux...
it was always due to defective hardware of some type

[BillW50]

In ,
Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
> "BillW50" wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7
>>>>>>>> install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>>>> calling them liars?
>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>
>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>
>>> However just to confirm
>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>
>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>
>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics
>> - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but
>> it does.
>
> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
> where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way, if
> you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk. Anybody use
> that for XP? I don't.

Test machine:

Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)

Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)

That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it on this
Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive though. As I won't
allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after being burned three times
by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any
Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Mark Adams[_2_]]

"BillW50" wrote:

> In ,
> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
> > "BillW50" wrote:
> >
> >> In ,
> >> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
> >>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>> In ,
> >>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
> >>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>> In ,
> >>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
> >>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
> >>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7
> >>>>>>>> install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
> >>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
> >>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
> >>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
> >>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
> >>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
> >>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
> >>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
> >>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
> >>>>>> calling them liars?
> >>>>> Rubbish
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
> >>>>
> >>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
> >>>> XP from being installed.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
> >>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
> >>>
> >>> However just to confirm
> >>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
> >>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
> >>>
> >>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
> >>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
> >>
> >> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
> >> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
> >> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
> >> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics
> >> - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
> >> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but
> >> it does.
> >
> > I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
> > where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way, if
> > you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk. Anybody use
> > that for XP? I don't.
>
> Test machine:
>
> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>
> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>

Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run from the
hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows machines and have
never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the Windows install. I also have
never heard of a Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as
pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks
have never failed to partition and format the drive. Unless the hard drive
had issues. If I can get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold
your breath.

> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it on this
> Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive though. As I won't
> allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after being burned three times
> by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any
> Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.
>
> --
> Bill
> Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2
>
>
>
>

[BillW50]

In ,
philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7
>>>>>>>> install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>>>> calling them liars?
>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>
>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>
>>>
>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>
>>> However just to confirm
>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>
>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>
>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics
>> - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but
>> it does.
>
> Yes
>
> as I mentioned 1000 times
>
> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
> over the past eight years.
>
> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or
> Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type

I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It boots
to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying Windows
Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing nothing. Can popup
the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.

I didn't want to believe Ubuntu Live even touched the Windows disk. So I
restored XP and I repeated it two more times. And it toasted the Windows
system each time. What does Ubuntu Live do? Use the XP drive for
temporary storage or what?

P.S. No problems with this hardware. Plus I got spares too.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[BillW50]

In ,
Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
> "BillW50" wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>
>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>>>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>
>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
>>> where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way, if
>>> you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk. Anybody
>>> use that for XP? I don't.
>>
>> Test machine:
>>
>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>
>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>
>
> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run
> from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows
> machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the
> Windows install. I also have never heard of a Windows install CD NOT
> being able delete and recreate the partitions for a clean install. My
> Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and
> 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have never failed to
> partition and format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If
> I can get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
> breath.
>
>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it on
>> this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive though. As I
>> won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after being burned
>> three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but I
>> don't trust any Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.

Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running on the
Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can temporary get
XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something else and it will
boot normally again. But don't trust this XP anymore. As it will be
flaky from this point on. Restore it to an earlier backup.

Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard drive. It
takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a flash drive
(instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am not sure how large
or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever size the iso is for the
smallest up to 4GB for the largest would be my guess.

I can do some more testing here if you would like. Like seeing if this
happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really fond of
allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP. <sigh>

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[philo]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows 7
>>>>>>>>> install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search and
>>>>>>> learn many people are having the same problem as the OP. Are you
>>>>>>> calling them liars?
>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>
>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>
>>>> However just to confirm
>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US Robotics
>>> - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen either, but
>>> it does.
>> Yes
>>
>> as I mentioned 1000 times
>>
>> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
>> over the past eight years.
>>
>> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or
>> Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type
>
> I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It boots
> to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying Windows
> Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing nothing. Can popup
> the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.

I see you gave up on that and have

now changed the subject


put it to rest dude

LOL

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>
>>> In ,
>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows with
>>>>>>>>>> no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP CD or
>>>>>>>>>> from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably wrong with
>>>>>>>>>> his drive.
>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes
>>>>> of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
>>>> where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way,
>>>> if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk.
>>>> Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>
>>> Test machine:
>>>
>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>
>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>
>>
>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run
>> from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows
>> machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the
>> Windows install. I also have never heard of a Windows install CD NOT
>> being able delete and recreate the partitions for a clean install. My
>> Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and
>> 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have never failed to
>> partition and format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If
>> I can get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
>> breath.
>>
>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it on
>>> this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive though. As I
>>> won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after being burned
>>> three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but I
>>> don't trust any Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.
>
> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running on
> the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something
> else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust this XP
> anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore it to an
> earlier backup.
> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard drive.
> It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a flash drive
> (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am not sure how
> large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever size the iso is
> for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would be my guess.
>
> I can do some more testing here if you would like. Like seeing if this
> happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really fond of
> allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP. <sigh>

That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever people
test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)

[BillW50]

In ,
philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:18:20 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>
>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>
>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>>>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> as I mentioned 1000 times
>>>
>>> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
>>> over the past eight years.
>>>
>>> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or
>>> Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type
>>
>> I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It
>> boots to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying
>> Windows Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing
>> nothing. Can popup the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
>
> I see you gave up on that and have
>
> now changed the subject
>
>
> put it to rest dude
>
> LOL

No you give it up dude! Linux *CAN* prevent Windows from installing!
Linux *CAN* screw up a working Windows install. No changing of the
subject necessary dude! lol

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Daave[_8_]]

philo wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
>>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
>>>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
>>>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
>>>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
>>>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
>>>>>> XP from being installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>
>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
>>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>
>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
>>>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> as I mentioned 1000 times
>>>
>>> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
>>> over the past eight years.
>>>
>>> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or
>>> Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type
>>
>> I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It
>> boots to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying
>> Windows Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing
>> nothing. Can popup the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
>
> I see you gave up on that and have
>
> now changed the subject

Actually, Bill had changed the subject *yesterday* (at 7:35 EDT). Allow
me to change it back. :-) (For those who have forgotten, Bill claimed
that "there is a bug with the XP install disc.")

If you haven't seen this discussion, it seems to reflect what he was
talking about with regard to Fedora:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-install-windows-after-installing-fedora-core-3-295701/

I only skimmed it. Although some people were multi-booting, there were a
number who were attempting to perform clean installs, too, booting off
the XP CD. I saw mentions of Fedora Core 3 and 6. The theories had
something to do with overlapping partitions and number of cylinders.

Of course, it could be coincidence (or a red herring) that Linux was
involved and that there was user error or perhaps problematic hardware.
Or maybe there is something to what Bill is saying (but something tells
me not). Maybe Mark will be able to chime in...

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>
>>>> In ,
>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to remove the Linux partition and then you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows with
>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP CD or
>>>>>>>>>>> from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>> his drive.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he
>>>>>>> was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes
>>>>>> of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this and
>>>>> where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the way,
>>>>> if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk.
>>>>> Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>
>>>> Test machine:
>>>>
>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run
>>> from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows
>>> machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the
>>> Windows install. I also have never heard of a Windows install CD NOT
>>> being able delete and recreate the partitions for a clean install.
>>> My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as pirated versions of XP Pro
>>> and 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have never failed to
>>> partition and format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If
>>> I can get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
>>> breath.
>>>
>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it on
>>>> this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive though. As
>>>> I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after being burned
>>>> three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but
>>>> I don't trust any Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.
>>
>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running on
>> the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something
>> else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust this XP
>> anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore it to an
>> earlier backup.
>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard drive.
>> It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a flash drive
>> (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am not sure how
>> large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever size the iso is
>> for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would be my guess.
>>
>> I can do some more testing here if you would like. Like seeing if
>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really fond
>> of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP. <sigh>
>
> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever people
> test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)

It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>

Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the backup
build.

Ghost failed me with Xandros Linux.

Paragon failed me with BCD boot drives.

BartPE/A43 broke MS Works v9 from launching.

And I am sure there are others that failed. And I often find that it is
really handy to have spare hard drives around and to restore to a spare
first before testing it on the real thing. That way if the spare fails
to work, you still have the working original before you do something
silly like test something. Better yet, do your testing on the spare
drive. So if something goes wrong, it is perfectly ok. <grin>

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to remove the Linux partition and then you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows with
>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP CD or
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>> his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same problem as
>>>>>>>>>>> the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he
>>>>>>>> was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes
>>>>>>> of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this
>>>>>> and where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the
>>>>>> way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with fdisk.
>>>>>> Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>
>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run
>>>> from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows
>>>> machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the
>>>> Windows install. I also have never heard of a Windows install CD
>>>> NOT being able delete and recreate the partitions for a clean
>>>> install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as pirated versions
>>>> of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have
>>>> never failed to partition and format the drive. Unless the hard
>>>> drive had issues. If I can get to it this week to test, I'll post
>>>> back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>
>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it
>>>>> on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after
>>>>> being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with
>>>>> Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros anymore to be
>>>>> honest with you.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running on
>>> the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>>> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something
>>> else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust this XP
>>> anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore it to an
>>> earlier backup.
>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am
>>> not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever
>>> size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would be
>>> my guess. I can do some more testing here if you would like. Like
>>> seeing if
>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really fond
>>> of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP. <sigh>
>>
>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever people
>> test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>
> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>
> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the backup
> build.

But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it is
*supposed* to be done.)

And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
necessary.

[Mark Adams[_2_]]

"Daave" wrote:

> philo wrote:
> > BillW50 wrote:
> >> In ,
> >> philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
> >>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>> In ,
> >>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
> >>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>> In ,
> >>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
> >>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In ,
> >>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
> >>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
> >>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux. Windows
> >>>>>>>>>> 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can be used to
> >>>>>>>>>> remove the Linux partition and then you can install XP.
> >>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard drives
> >>>>>>>>> which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP should be able
> >>>>>>>>> to boot from the CD and install Windows with no problem. Since
> >>>>>>>>> he can't do this from either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery
> >>>>>>>>> CDs, something is probably wrong with his drive.
> >>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
> >>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
> >>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
> >>>>>>> Rubbish
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
> >>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some disallows
> >>>>>> XP from being installed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he was
> >>>>> doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However just to confirm
> >>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
> >>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
> >>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
> >>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes of
> >>>> Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
> >>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
> >>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
> >>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
> >>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
> >>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
> >>> Yes
> >>>
> >>> as I mentioned 1000 times
> >>>
> >>> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
> >>> over the past eight years.
> >>>
> >>> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows or
> >>> Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type
> >>
> >> I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It
> >> boots to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying
> >> Windows Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing
> >> nothing. Can popup the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
> >
> > I see you gave up on that and have
> >
> > now changed the subject
>
> Actually, Bill had changed the subject *yesterday* (at 7:35 EDT). Allow
> me to change it back. :-) (For those who have forgotten, Bill claimed
> that "there is a bug with the XP install disc.")
>
> If you haven't seen this discussion, it seems to reflect what he was
> talking about with regard to Fedora:
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-install-windows-after-installing-fedora-core-3-295701/
>
> I only skimmed it. Although some people were multi-booting, there were a
> number who were attempting to perform clean installs, too, booting off
> the XP CD. I saw mentions of Fedora Core 3 and 6. The theories had
> something to do with overlapping partitions and number of cylinders.
>
> Of course, it could be coincidence (or a red herring) that Linux was
> involved and that there was user error or perhaps problematic hardware.
> Or maybe there is something to what Bill is saying (but something tells
> me not). Maybe Mark will be able to chime in...
>

....when I can get to it. I get to take the gas tank out of my car to replace
the fuel pump this weekend. :-( Hopefully it won't be 100 degrees again!
:-(((

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same problem as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he
>>>>>>>>> was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert
>>>>>>>> it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot
>>>>>>>> and don't touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand
>>>>>>>> (from US Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted
>>>>>>>> and unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this
>>>>>>> and where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By the
>>>>>>> way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with
>>>>>>> fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and run
>>>>> from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several Windows
>>>>> machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix screwing up the
>>>>> Windows install. I also have never heard of a Windows install CD
>>>>> NOT being able delete and recreate the partitions for a clean
>>>>> install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as well as pirated versions
>>>>> of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have
>>>>> never failed to partition and format the drive. Unless the hard
>>>>> drive had issues. If I can get to it this week to test, I'll post
>>>>> back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it
>>>>>> on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS after
>>>>>> being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem with
>>>>>> Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros anymore to be
>>>>>> honest with you.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running
>>>> on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>>>> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something
>>>> else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust this XP
>>>> anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore it to an
>>>> earlier backup.
>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am
>>>> not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever
>>>> size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would be
>>>> my guess. I can do some more testing here if you would like. Like
>>>> seeing if
>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP.
>>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever people
>>> test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>
>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>
>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>> backup build.
>
> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it is
> *supposed* to be done.)
>
> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
> necessary.

Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The list
I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis True Image
isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people (ok some) has
had less than 100% perfect results.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he
>>>>>>>>>> was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert
>>>>>>>>> it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot
>>>>>>>>> and don't touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand
>>>>>>>>> (from US Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted
>>>>>>>>> and unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this
>>>>>>>> and where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By
>>>>>>>> the way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with
>>>>>>>> fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>> run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>> Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>> screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>> Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>> partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as
>>>>>> well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>> purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>> format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can get
>>>>>> to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried it
>>>>>>> on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>> after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem
>>>>>>> with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros anymore
>>>>>>> to be honest with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running
>>>>> on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>>>>> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to something
>>>>> else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust this XP
>>>>> anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore it to an
>>>>> earlier backup.
>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am
>>>>> not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever
>>>>> size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would
>>>>> be my guess. I can do some more testing here if you would like.
>>>>> Like seeing if
>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows XP.
>>>>> <sigh>
>>>>
>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>
>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>
>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>> backup build.
>>
>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it
>> is *supposed* to be done.)
>>
>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>> necessary.
>
> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
> list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis True
> Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people (ok
> some) has had less than 100% perfect results.

That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
restoring

*and*

to validate the archive.

Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:

- using a different build to restore (something you said that you
yourself did!)

- neglecting to validate the archive

- backing up to a faulty drive

Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
though... :-)

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what
>>>>>>>>>>> he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert
>>>>>>>>>> it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot
>>>>>>>>>> and don't touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand
>>>>>>>>>> (from US Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted
>>>>>>>>>> and unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This
>>>>>>>>>> isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this
>>>>>>>>> and where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By
>>>>>>>>> the way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with
>>>>>>>>> fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>>> run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>>> Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>>> screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>>> Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>>> partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as
>>>>>>> well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>>> purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>>> format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can get
>>>>>>> to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried
>>>>>>>> it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>>> after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem
>>>>>>>> with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros anymore
>>>>>>>> to be honest with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running
>>>>>> on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>>>>>> temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to
>>>>>> something else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust
>>>>>> this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore
>>>>>> it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am
>>>>>> not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever
>>>>>> size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would
>>>>>> be my guess. I can do some more testing here if you would like.
>>>>>> Like seeing if
>>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows
>>>>>> XP. <sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>
>>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>
>>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>> backup build.
>>>
>>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it
>>> is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>
>>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>> necessary.
>>
>> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
>> list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis True
>> Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people (ok
>> some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>
> That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
> restoring
>
> *and*
>
> to validate the archive.
>
> Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>
> - using a different build to restore (something you said that you
> yourself did!)
>
> - neglecting to validate the archive
>
> - backing up to a faulty drive
>
> Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
> though... :-)

Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True Image
has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now gone.

And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image failed to
restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of them fail to
restore from an USB hard drive.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what
>>>>>>>>>>>> he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert
>>>>>>>>>>> it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just
>>>>>>>>>>> boot and don't touch your XP partition at all. And you have
>>>>>>>>>>> iBand (from US Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be
>>>>>>>>>>> toasted and unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar.
>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does
>>>>>>>>>> this and where to get it. I'll download it and test it
>>>>>>>>>> myself. By the way, if you read the thread you posted, the
>>>>>>>>>> issue was with fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>>>> run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>>>> Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>>>> screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>>>> Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>>>> partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks
>>>>>>>> as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>>>> purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>>>> format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can
>>>>>>>> get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
>>>>>>>> breath.
>>>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried
>>>>>>>>> it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>>>> after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a
>>>>>>>>> problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros
>>>>>>>>> anymore to be honest with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and
>>>>>>> running on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP
>>>>>>> system, you can temporary get XP bootable again by renaming
>>>>>>> iband.dll to something else and it will boot normally again.
>>>>>>> But don't trust this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this
>>>>>>> point on. Restore it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I
>>>>>>> am not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be.
>>>>>>> Whatever size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the
>>>>>>> largest would be my guess. I can do some more testing here if
>>>>>>> you would like. Like seeing if
>>>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows
>>>>>>> XP. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>>> backup build.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it
>>>> is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>>
>>>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
>>> list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis
>>> True Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people
>>> (ok some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>>
>> That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
>> restoring
>>
>> *and*
>>
>> to validate the archive.
>>
>> Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>>
>> - using a different build to restore (something you said that you
>> yourself did!)
>>
>> - neglecting to validate the archive
>>
>> - backing up to a faulty drive
>>
>> Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
>> though... :-)
>
> Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
> restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
> restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True
> Image has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now
> gone.
> And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image failed
> to restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of them
> fail to restore from an USB hard drive.

I have yet to see any evidence to support your claim. Of course, since I
am open-minded, I will be happy to read any evidence that *you* offer
(since you're the one making the claim). And if the evidence exists, I
will change my mind accordingly.

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:35:13 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OP should be able to boot from the CD and install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and
>>>>>>>>>>>> convert it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then just boot and don't touch your XP partition at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free) installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen
>>>>>>>>>>>> either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does
>>>>>>>>>>> this and where to get it. I'll download it and test it
>>>>>>>>>>> myself. By the way, if you read the thread you posted, the
>>>>>>>>>>> issue was with fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>>>>> run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>>>>> Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>>>>> screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>>>>> Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>>>>> partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks
>>>>>>>>> as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>>>>> purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>>>>> format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can
>>>>>>>>> get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
>>>>>>>>> breath.
>>>>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried
>>>>>>>>>> it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>>>>> after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a
>>>>>>>>>> problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros
>>>>>>>>>> anymore to be honest with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and
>>>>>>>> running on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP
>>>>>>>> system, you can temporary get XP bootable again by renaming
>>>>>>>> iband.dll to something else and it will boot normally again.
>>>>>>>> But don't trust this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this
>>>>>>>> point on. Restore it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I
>>>>>>>> am not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be.
>>>>>>>> Whatever size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the
>>>>>>>> largest would be my guess. I can do some more testing here if
>>>>>>>> you would like. Like seeing if
>>>>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows
>>>>>>>> XP. <sigh>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>>>> backup build.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way
>>>>> it is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
>>>> list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis
>>>> True Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people
>>>> (ok some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>>>
>>> That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
>>> restoring
>>>
>>> *and*
>>>
>>> to validate the archive.
>>>
>>> Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>>>
>>> - using a different build to restore (something you said that you
>>> yourself did!)
>>>
>>> - neglecting to validate the archive
>>>
>>> - backing up to a faulty drive
>>>
>>> Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
>>> though... :-)
>>
>> Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
>> restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
>> restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True
>> Image has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now
>> gone.
>> And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image failed
>> to restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of them
>> fail to restore from an USB hard drive.
>
> I have yet to see any evidence to support your claim. Of course,
> since I am open-minded, I will be happy to read any evidence that
> *you* offer (since you're the one making the claim). And if the
> evidence exists, I will change my mind accordingly.

Here you go. I made this list on the 7th of September:

Acronis True Image Problems
http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/itnetworkguru/acronis-true-image-hell-15076

I guess all of the dire warnings on Amazon and elsewhere are valid.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1FYARN6A01DEL

Use mostly use ATI, but I not really happy with it for the following
reasons
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99609816/m/609006650931?r=735007850931#735007850931

Acronis True Image Home 2009 Problems
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2336020,00.asp

Acronis True Image 2009: Disk Clone does not complete!
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22674079-Acronis-True-Image-2009-Disk-Clone-does-not-complete

Acronis True Image 2009: AWFUL customer experience
http://torley.com/acronis-true-image-2009-awful-customer-experience

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Acronis True Image Home 2009 Review
When selecting a data backup, try choosing a specific category...but
then deselect a folder or two, as shown above. For this example, I chose
to backup some website files. I continue on and create the backup
archive as previously detailed. Then when I browse the archive in
Windows Explorer...

The files are not there!

This is a major bug in the system, one that causes me to rate the
category-based backup feature of Acronis True Image Home 2009 dead on
arrival.

Acronis True Image Home 2009 also has issues with removable USB
drives/keys. A few times, when I was testing the backup feature using my
USB stick, I would get some kind of error about sector 63 and the backup
would occasionally fail. A quick search about that message revealed that
it is a known bug in the latest versions of Acronis True Image.

Acronis promises that a patch is on the way for the USB bug.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5103

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Acronis Forum Archive
http://forum.acronis.com/

More information
(!) Acronis does not guarantee that images created with a newer build of
the product will be supported by older builds. This means that restoring
an image created with Acronis True Image Build 8163 may fail with
Acronis True Image Build 8076.
http://kb.acronis.com/content/1517

Drives might not contain a valid MBR and therefore are not supported
http://kb.acronis.com/content/1515

- The software uses a 64 digit serial code. How much time do Acronis
think we've got to waste?!
- Nearly all serial numbers are shipped as being faulty! This is an
ACKNOWLEDGED PROBLEM on Acronis' web site and you should register online
instead of through the software itself.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acronis-True-Image-Home-2009/dp/B001GCTRBE

More importantly, if a backup fails you get no notification! Instead it
quietly buries the evidence in the log file in the hope that one day you
might browse it and see the failed backup. Come on Acronis, this is our
data we're talking about! If a backup fails I want alarm bells to ring!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acronis-True-Image-Home-2009/dp/B001GCTRBE

What distinguish Acronis True Image Home 2009 from other backup/restore
software
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/acronis-ti2009.htm

digital rights management make it completely unusable
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/windows/3498735-acronis-true-image-2009.html?fpart=2

Vista Broken After Restore
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/f49/acronis-true-image-2009-users-report-114470.html

It backed up fine to my USB external hard drive (Maxtor 4 Plus). But it
was unable to mount the file it had made, nor to recover with it. Their
tech support said to copy the backup file to an internal drive.
http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/2009/03/acronis-true-image-2009-home-and.html

Acronis True Image Home 2009 Conflicts with USB Card Reader Drivers
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/support/kb/articles/1047/

Acronis True Image Universal Restore - Problems
http://cheelam.com/blog/2009/04/01/acronis-true-image-universal-restore-problems/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I did research on this for days and found using search engines this just
isn't so. And here I found a reoccurring theme.

1) A different build number won't restore from another one. Will usually
say the file is corrupt and you can't do anything with it.

2) If a backup fails, it doesn't notify you and stores it deep in the
logs.

3) Problems with 64 character serial number reverting back to trial
version at next startup.

4) Has problems with missing MBR or non-standard MBR drives.

5) Has problems with some USB Card Readers.

6) Emailing support takes 5 to 6 weeks for an answer, which usually has
nothing with the problem you are having.

7) Can't restore Digital Rights Management correctly.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

[Bob I]

BillW50 wrote:

> In ,
> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
>
>>BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>>In ,
>>>Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>>
>>>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In ,
>>>>>Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>>
>>>>>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In ,
>>>>>>>Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In ,
>>>>>>>>>Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with no problem. Since he can't do this from either an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs, something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>search and learn many people are having the same problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>>I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>>>and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>>>likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert
>>>>>>>>>>>it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot
>>>>>>>>>>>and don't touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand
>>>>>>>>>>>(from US Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted
>>>>>>>>>>>and unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This
>>>>>>>>>>>isn't supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does this
>>>>>>>>>>and where to get it. I'll download it and test it myself. By
>>>>>>>>>>the way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with
>>>>>>>>>>fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Test machine:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>>>unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>>>>run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>>>>Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>>>>screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>>>>Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>>>>partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks as
>>>>>>>>well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>>>>purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>>>>format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can get
>>>>>>>>to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried
>>>>>>>>>it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>>>>though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>>>>after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a problem
>>>>>>>>>with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux distros anymore
>>>>>>>>>to be honest with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and running
>>>>>>>on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP system, you can
>>>>>>>temporary get XP bootable again by renaming iband.dll to
>>>>>>>something else and it will boot normally again. But don't trust
>>>>>>>this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this point on. Restore
>>>>>>>it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>>>Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>>>drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>>>>flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I am
>>>>>>>not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be. Whatever
>>>>>>>size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the largest would
>>>>>>>be my guess. I can do some more testing here if you would like.
>>>>>>>Like seeing if
>>>>>>>this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>>>>fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows
>>>>>>>XP. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>>>people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>>Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>>>backup build.
>>>>
>>>>But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way it
>>>>is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>>
>>>>And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>>>necessary.
>>>
>>>Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
>>>list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis True
>>>Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people (ok
>>>some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>>
>>That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
>>restoring
>>
>>*and*
>>
>>to validate the archive.
>>
>>Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>>
>>- using a different build to restore (something you said that you
>>yourself did!)
>>
>>- neglecting to validate the archive
>>
>>- backing up to a faulty drive
>>
>>Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
>>though... :-)
>
>
> Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
> restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
> restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True Image
> has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now gone.
>
> And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image failed to
> restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of them fail to
> restore from an USB hard drive.
>

Since you neglected to place quotes around the search term, most of the
hits you got was advice like this one below.

With Acronis True Image Home 2010, rest assured that all your important
data ... If something goes wrong during the installation, simply restore
your

[BillW50]

In ,
Bob I typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:01:14 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
>>
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>>> In ,
>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>>>
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be used to remove the Linux partition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OP should be able to boot from the CD and install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and
>>>>>>>>>>>> convert it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then just boot and don't touch your XP partition at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free) installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen
>>>>>>>>>>>> either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does
>>>>>>>>>>> this and where to get it. I'll download it and test it
>>>>>>>>>>> myself. By the way, if you read the thread you posted, the
>>>>>>>>>>> issue was with fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed and
>>>>>>>>> run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on several
>>>>>>>>> Windows machines and have never had trouble with Knoppix
>>>>>>>>> screwing up the Windows install. I also have never heard of a
>>>>>>>>> Windows install CD NOT being able delete and recreate the
>>>>>>>>> partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade and MCE disks
>>>>>>>>> as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64 bit (for testing
>>>>>>>>> purposes only :-) disks have never failed to partition and
>>>>>>>>> format the drive. Unless the hard drive had issues. If I can
>>>>>>>>> get to it this week to test, I'll post back. Don't hold your
>>>>>>>>> breath.
>>>>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just tried
>>>>>>>>>> it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the Windows drive
>>>>>>>>>> though. As I won't allow on Linux system see any Windows OS
>>>>>>>>>> after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I never had a
>>>>>>>>>> problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any Linux
>>>>>>>>>> distros anymore to be honest with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and
>>>>>>>> running on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP
>>>>>>>> system, you can temporary get XP bootable again by renaming
>>>>>>>> iband.dll to something else and it will boot normally again.
>>>>>>>> But don't trust this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this
>>>>>>>> point on. Restore it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to a
>>>>>>>> flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash drive. I
>>>>>>>> am not sure how large or small the flash drive needs to be.
>>>>>>>> Whatever size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB for the
>>>>>>>> largest would be my guess. I can do some more testing here if
>>>>>>>> you would like. Like seeing if
>>>>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not really
>>>>>>>> fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of Windows
>>>>>>>> XP. <sigh>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>>>> backup build.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way
>>>>> it is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product. The
>>>> list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But Acronis
>>>> True Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that many people
>>>> (ok some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>>>
>>> That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
>>> restoring
>>>
>>> *and*
>>>
>>> to validate the archive.
>>>
>>> Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>>>
>>> - using a different build to restore (something you said that you
>>> yourself did!)
>>>
>>> - neglecting to validate the archive
>>>
>>> - backing up to a faulty drive
>>>
>>> Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in fear,
>>> though... :-)
>>
>>
>> Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
>> restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
>> restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True
>> Image has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now
>> gone. And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image
>> failed to restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of
>> them fail to restore from an USB hard drive.
>>
>
> Since you neglected to place quotes around the search term, most of
> the hits you got was advice like this one below.
>
> With Acronis True Image Home 2010, rest assured that all your
> important data ... If something goes wrong during the installation,
> simply restore your

Don't worry Bob. I have collected lots of problems on the 7th of
September which I have posted just before this post.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

[Daave[_8_]]

BillW50 wrote:
> In ,
> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:35:13 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In ,
>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:11:24 -0400:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In ,
>>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:04:38 -0400:
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>> Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:22 -0400:
>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:57:02 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "BillW50" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blank screen and freezes if the active partition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Windows 7 install disc is okay and works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. Which can be used to remove the Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition and then you can install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OP should be able to boot from the CD and install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows with no problem. Since he can't do this from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either an XP CD or from the IBM recovery CDs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is probably wrong with his drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search and learn many people are having the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem as the OP. Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what he was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem However just to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likes of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convert it with UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then just boot and don't touch your XP partition at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you have iBand (from US Robotics - free) installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your XP will be toasted and unbootable. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background and no taskbar. This isn't supposed to happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, but it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe this. Tell me what version of Linnux does
>>>>>>>>>>>> this and where to get it. I'll download it and test it
>>>>>>>>>>>> myself. By the way, if you read the thread you posted, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> issue was with fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Test machine:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Asus EeePC 702 8G SSD with 2GB of RAM
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP SP2 (EeePC OEM version)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu-eee-8.04.1.iso
>>>>>>>>>>> unetbootin-windows-299.exe (convert iso to USB flash drive)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are these boot disk applications, or can they be installed
>>>>>>>>>> and run from the hard drive? I have run Knoppix disks on
>>>>>>>>>> several Windows machines and have never had trouble with
>>>>>>>>>> Knoppix screwing up the Windows install. I also have never
>>>>>>>>>> heard of a Windows install CD NOT being able delete and
>>>>>>>>>> recreate the partitions for a clean install. My Home Upgrade
>>>>>>>>>> and MCE disks as well as pirated versions of XP Pro and 64
>>>>>>>>>> bit (for testing purposes only :-) disks have never failed
>>>>>>>>>> to partition and format the drive. Unless the hard drive had
>>>>>>>>>> issues. If I can get to it this week to test, I'll post
>>>>>>>>>> back. Don't hold your breath.
>>>>>>>>>>> That Ubuntu version should boot on any computer. I just
>>>>>>>>>>> tried it on this Gateway and it booted. I removed the
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows drive though. As I won't allow on Linux system see
>>>>>>>>>>> any Windows OS after being burned three times by Ubuntu. I
>>>>>>>>>>> never had a problem with Puppy Linux, but I don't trust any
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distros anymore to be honest with you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't forget to install iBand from US Robotics (free) and
>>>>>>>>> running on the Taskbar. And once Ubuntu screws up your XP
>>>>>>>>> system, you can temporary get XP bootable again by renaming
>>>>>>>>> iband.dll to something else and it will boot normally again.
>>>>>>>>> But don't trust this XP anymore. As it will be flaky from this
>>>>>>>>> point on. Restore it to an earlier backup.
>>>>>>>>> Yes unetbootin-windows-299.exe, runs under Windows from a hard
>>>>>>>>> drive. It takes a Linux iso and formats and copies the iso to
>>>>>>>>> a flash drive (instead of using CDs). I use a 1GB flash
>>>>>>>>> drive. I am not sure how large or small the flash drive needs
>>>>>>>>> to be. Whatever size the iso is for the smallest up to 4GB
>>>>>>>>> for the largest would be my guess. I can do some more testing
>>>>>>>>> here if you would like. Like seeing if
>>>>>>>>> this happens from a burned CD as well. Although I am not
>>>>>>>>> really fond of allowing Linux to screw up working versions of
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is why regular imaging or cloning is a must for whenever
>>>>>>>> people test. All "screwups" can get reversed. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's nice when it works! Although it doesn't always work. <sigh>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Acronis True Image failed me if the build is different than the
>>>>>>> backup build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm sure it wouldn't fail if the build was the same (the way
>>>>>> it is *supposed* to be done.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's for imaging. And with cloning, there is no restoration
>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well even though Acronis True Image is normally a fine product.
>>>>> The list I listed were problems I personally had so far. But
>>>>> Acronis True Image isn't perfect. As Google will show you that
>>>>> many people (ok some) has had less than 100% perfect results.
>>>>
>>>> That is why it is important to use the same build for imaging *and*
>>>> restoring
>>>>
>>>> *and*
>>>>
>>>> to validate the archive.
>>>>
>>>> Google searches no doubt reflect those who did it wrong! Examples:
>>>>
>>>> - using a different build to restore (something you said that you
>>>> yourself did!)
>>>>
>>>> - neglecting to validate the archive
>>>>
>>>> - backing up to a faulty drive
>>>>
>>>> Nothing is perfect, true. That doesn't mean one should live in
>>>> fear, though... :-)
>>>
>>> Oh that isn't so! Acronis True Image for example had problems with
>>> restoring if there was even one bad sector and it would refuse to
>>> restore. Ghost never had a problem here. I see v12 of Acronis True
>>> Image has an ignore bad sector toggle. So maybe this problem is now
>>> gone.
>>> And all of you have to do is to search for "Acronis True Image
>>> failed to restore" and I get over a half of a million hits. Lots of
>>> them fail to restore from an USB hard drive.
>>
>> I have yet to see any evidence to support your claim. Of course,
>> since I am open-minded, I will be happy to read any evidence that
>> *you* offer (since you're the one making the claim). And if the
>> evidence exists, I will change my mind accordingly.
>
> Here you go. I made this list on the 7th of September:
>
> Acronis True Image Problems
> http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/itnetworkguru/acronis-true-image-hell-15076
>
> I guess all of the dire warnings on Amazon and elsewhere are valid.
> http://www.amazon.com/review/R1FYARN6A01DEL
>
> Use mostly use ATI, but I not really happy with it for the following
> reasons
> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99609816/m/609006650931?r=735007850931#735007850931
>
> Acronis True Image Home 2009 Problems
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2336020,00.asp
>
> Acronis True Image 2009: Disk Clone does not complete!
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22674079-Acronis-True-Image-2009-Disk-Clone-does-not-complete
>
> Acronis True Image 2009: AWFUL customer experience
> http://torley.com/acronis-true-image-2009-awful-customer-experience
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Acronis True Image Home 2009 Review
> When selecting a data backup, try choosing a specific category...but
> then deselect a folder or two, as shown above. For this example, I
> chose to backup some website files. I continue on and create the
> backup archive as previously detailed. Then when I browse the archive
> in Windows Explorer...
>
> The files are not there!
>
> This is a major bug in the system, one that causes me to rate the
> category-based backup feature of Acronis True Image Home 2009 dead on
> arrival.
>
> Acronis True Image Home 2009 also has issues with removable USB
> drives/keys. A few times, when I was testing the backup feature using
> my USB stick, I would get some kind of error about sector 63 and the
> backup would occasionally fail. A quick search about that message
> revealed that it is a known bug in the latest versions of Acronis
> True Image.
> Acronis promises that a patch is on the way for the USB bug.
> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5103
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Acronis Forum Archive
> http://forum.acronis.com/
>
> More information
> (!) Acronis does not guarantee that images created with a newer build
> of the product will be supported by older builds. This means that
> restoring an image created with Acronis True Image Build 8163 may
> fail with Acronis True Image Build 8076.
> http://kb.acronis.com/content/1517
>
> Drives might not contain a valid MBR and therefore are not supported
> http://kb.acronis.com/content/1515
>
> - The software uses a 64 digit serial code. How much time do Acronis
> think we've got to waste?!
> - Nearly all serial numbers are shipped as being faulty! This is an
> ACKNOWLEDGED PROBLEM on Acronis' web site and you should register
> online instead of through the software itself.
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acronis-True-Image-Home-2009/dp/B001GCTRBE
>
> More importantly, if a backup fails you get no notification! Instead
> it quietly buries the evidence in the log file in the hope that one
> day you might browse it and see the failed backup. Come on Acronis,
> this is our data we're talking about! If a backup fails I want alarm
> bells to ring!
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acronis-True-Image-Home-2009/dp/B001GCTRBE
> What distinguish Acronis True Image Home 2009 from other
> backup/restore software
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/acronis-ti2009.htm
>
> digital rights management make it completely unusable
> http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/windows/3498735-acronis-true-image-2009.html?fpart=2
>
> Vista Broken After Restore
> http://www.abxzone.com/forums/f49/acronis-true-image-2009-users-report-114470.html
>
> It backed up fine to my USB external hard drive (Maxtor 4 Plus). But
> it was unable to mount the file it had made, nor to recover with it.
> Their tech support said to copy the backup file to an internal drive.
> http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/2009/03/acronis-true-image-2009-home-and.html
>
> Acronis True Image Home 2009 Conflicts with USB Card Reader Drivers
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/support/kb/articles/1047/
>
> Acronis True Image Universal Restore - Problems
> http://cheelam.com/blog/2009/04/01/acronis-true-image-universal-restore-problems/
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I did research on this for days and found using search engines this
> just isn't so. And here I found a reoccurring theme.
>
> 1) A different build number won't restore from another one. Will
> usually say the file is corrupt and you can't do anything with it.
>
> 2) If a backup fails, it doesn't notify you and stores it deep in the
> logs.
>
> 3) Problems with 64 character serial number reverting back to trial
> version at next startup.
>
> 4) Has problems with missing MBR or non-standard MBR drives.
>
> 5) Has problems with some USB Card Readers.
>
> 6) Emailing support takes 5 to 6 weeks for an answer, which usually
> has nothing with the problem you are having.
>
> 7) Can't restore Digital Rights Management correctly.

Holy Moly! This will take a while for me to post back!

[BillW50]

In ,
Daave typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:06:11 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In ,
[...]
>> Here you go. I made this list on the 7th of September:
[...]
> Holy Moly! This will take a while for me to post back!

No rush Daave! Just some of the stuff I found doing research. Like I
said, Acronis True Image I believe is a fine product. But like
everything great, it isn't perfect.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

[Daave[_8_]]

Mark Adams wrote:
> "Daave" wrote:
>
>> philo wrote:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In ,
>>>> philo typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:52:03 -0500:
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:17 -0500:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>> philo typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:34 -0500:
>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In ,
>>>>>>>>>> Malke typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:06:35 -0700:
>>>>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there is a bug with the XP install disc. It goes blank
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen and freezes if the active partition is Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 install disc is okay and works fine. Which can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to remove the Linux partition and then you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> install XP.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. I've installed XP many times on hard
>>>>>>>>>>> drives which used to hold Linux. As philo said, the OP
>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to boot from the CD and install Windows with
>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. Since he can't do this from either an XP CD or
>>>>>>>>>>> from the IBM recovery CDs, something is probably wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>> his drive.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you or I have done. Just do a Google search
>>>>>>>>>> and learn many people are having the same problem as the OP.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you calling them liars?
>>>>>>>>> Rubbish
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with Linux being on the drive
>>>>>>>> Nonsense! Not all Linux distros are created equal. Some
>>>>>>>> disallows XP from being installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-29081-how-to-format-linux-and-install-xp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read the thread and the poster did not seem to know what he
>>>>>>> was doing...or... who knows maybe had a H/W problem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However just to confirm
>>>>>>> I took my machine that has Ubuntu installed on it
>>>>>>> and used an XP disc to bootup to the installer just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have seen machines balk when booting from an XP cd
>>>>>>> and the problem was always due to a hardware problem
>>>>>> ROTFL! Ubuntu is only one Linux distro. Have you tried the likes
>>>>>> of Fedora yet? By the way, try Ubuntu Live and convert it with
>>>>>> UNetbootin to boot from a flash drive. Then just boot and don't
>>>>>> touch your XP partition at all. And you have iBand (from US
>>>>>> Robotics - free) installed. Your XP will be toasted and
>>>>>> unbootable. Just the background and no taskbar. This isn't
>>>>>> supposed to happen either, but it does.
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> as I mentioned 1000 times
>>>>>
>>>>> I am an experimenter and have fooled dozens of Linux distributions
>>>>> over the past eight years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only time I've seen any bootable cd balk, and that's Windows
>>>>> or Linux... it was always due to defective hardware of some type
>>>>
>>>> I have seen Ubuntu Live screw up a working Windows XP install. It
>>>> boots to the desktop, minus the Taskbar and a window pops up saying
>>>> Windows Installer and that is all. Sits there for days doing
>>>> nothing. Can popup the Task Manager and kill it with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
>>>
>>> I see you gave up on that and have
>>>
>>> now changed the subject
>>
>> Actually, Bill had changed the subject *yesterday* (at 7:35 EDT).
>> Allow me to change it back. :-) (For those who have forgotten, Bill
>> claimed that "there is a bug with the XP install disc.")
>>
>> If you haven't seen this discussion, it seems to reflect what he was
>> talking about with regard to Fedora:
>>
>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-install-windows-after-installing-fedora-core-3-295701/
>>
>> I only skimmed it. Although some people were multi-booting, there
>> were a number who were attempting to perform clean installs, too,
>> booting off the XP CD. I saw mentions of Fedora Core 3 and 6. The
>> theories had something to do with overlapping partitions and number
>> of cylinders.
>>
>> Of course, it could be coincidence (or a red herring) that Linux was
>> involved and that there was user error or perhaps problematic
>> hardware. Or maybe there is something to what Bill is saying (but
>> something tells me not). Maybe Mark will be able to chime in...
>>
>
> ...when I can get to it. I get to take the gas tank out of my car to
> replace the fuel pump this weekend. :-( Hopefully it won't be 100
> degrees again! :-(((

Sounds like too much fun...

Where do you live? Arizona?

[BillW50]

In ,
Mark Adams typed on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:01 -0700:
> By the way, if you read the thread you posted, the issue was with
> fdisk. Anybody use that for XP? I don't.

By the way, FDISK is highly recommended for partitioning and creating
MBR for Windows 2000/XP installations. And do to a bug/feature of FDISK,
it makes cloning far easier.

As when you clone a Windows drive to another drive. The original Windows
saw this other drive and assigned it a drive letter. Let's say in this
case, drive E. Now you remove the original Windows drive and replace it
with the new cloned drive. Windows tries to boot up and it recognizes
this cloned drive as drive E and now while booting will lockup and it
won't work.

FDISK bug/feature zero's out the drive's serial number. Thus Windows has
no memory of this drive and it gets the first drive letter available
which just happens to be drive C. Now all is well again, thanks to
FDISK.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC