Dual Booting

[Linda Bates]

Hi,

I need help, and searching hasn't done much good. What I
am trying to do is setup a dual boot system with my ME (my
old PC is history, and it had ME on it)and a new retail
version of XP Pro. I have setup dual boots before, but not
by making them both on primary partitions, and cannot
figure out how to do this (someone said this would be a
better setup), without making the second partition an
extended/logical.

I want to setup ME on the first partition (6 gigs, and
FAT32 of course), and XP-pro on 20 gigs (NTFS), and leave
the remaining 34gig for storage of files a proggies. I
have an ME boot disk and know the FDISK commands, but
cannot set the partitions that I make as primary. Anyone
have a sugesstion, or a link where this can be explained,
if this is at all possible?

Thanks,
Linda

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x and WinXP
would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows:

C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Legacy Apps
D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps

Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s)
size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its
applications.

Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large
disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning
utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.)

Install Win9x first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or
D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows
directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify
"D:\Winnt" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winnt" as referred/applicable) when
asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other
partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a
Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be
readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place Win98
on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as FAT32.

This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by
placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either
of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the
second operating system on the second hard drive.

It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared
applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be
formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would
also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file
placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the
program files could be located on this common partition. I do not,
however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall
such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully
uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial
installation data during the first uninstall action.

Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap):

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp


Bruce Chambers

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"Linda Bates" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> I need help, and searching hasn't done much good. What I
> am trying to do is setup a dual boot system with my ME (my
> old PC is history, and it had ME on it)and a new retail
> version of XP Pro. I have setup dual boots before, but not
> by making them both on primary partitions, and cannot
> figure out how to do this (someone said this would be a
> better setup), without making the second partition an
> extended/logical.
>
> I want to setup ME on the first partition (6 gigs, and
> FAT32 of course), and XP-pro on 20 gigs (NTFS), and leave
> the remaining 34gig for storage of files a proggies. I
> have an ME boot disk and know the FDISK commands, but
> cannot set the partitions that I make as primary. Anyone
> have a sugesstion, or a link where this can be explained,
> if this is at all possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Linda

[Linda Bates]

Bruce wrote:

<sipped>

Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
you advise or not, please?

Linda

[Joe727]

Install two hard drives in your PC.

Joe

"Linda Bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bruce wrote:
>
> <sipped>
>
> Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
> to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
> advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
> you advise or not, please?
>
> Linda
>
>

[sqr]

Nothing personal, but did you really read Bruce's tip. I guess you cannot
follow good advice.

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"Linda Bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bruce wrote:
>
> <sipped>
>
> Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
> to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
> advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
> you advise or not, please?
>
> Linda
>
>

[pesid]

use FIPS

? "Linda Bates" > ?????? ??? ??????
...
> Hi,
>
> I need help, and searching hasn't done much good. What I
> am trying to do is setup a dual boot system with my ME (my
> old PC is history, and it had ME on it)and a new retail
> version of XP Pro. I have setup dual boots before, but not
> by making them both on primary partitions, and cannot
> figure out how to do this (someone said this would be a
> better setup), without making the second partition an
> extended/logical.
>
> I want to setup ME on the first partition (6 gigs, and
> FAT32 of course), and XP-pro on 20 gigs (NTFS), and leave
> the remaining 34gig for storage of files a proggies. I
> have an ME boot disk and know the FDISK commands, but
> cannot set the partitions that I make as primary. Anyone
> have a sugesstion, or a link where this can be explained,
> if this is at all possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Linda

[hawk]

Well, why do you want to create two primary partitions? If you want a
dual boot system, follow the advice given, if that is not what you want,
ask a different question.

Regards, hawk

Linda Bates wrote:

> Bruce wrote:
>
> <sipped>
>
> Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
> to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
> advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
> you advise or not, please?
>
> Linda
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

If desired, you can create two primary partitions using the same
method. A single hard drive can have up to 4 primary partitions or 3
primary and 1 extended partitions. As always, of course, only one
primary partition can be flagged as "active" (iow, bootable) at any
given time. Of course, there's rarely any point in having multiple
primary partitions, unless you're planning on using a 3rd party boot
manager, but the choice is yours.

Bruce Chambers

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"Linda Bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bruce wrote:
>
> <sipped>
>
> Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
> to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
> advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
> you advise or not, please?
>
> Linda
>
>

[Doug Knox MS-MVP]

FDISK will not create multiple Primary partitions. You will need a 3rd party
partitioning utility, or boot from the XP CD to repartition your drive
during Setup.

It is possible to install XP first, then install Me after the fact. Its a
pretty simple process actually.

In your case, boot from the XP CD and remove/create partitions as you
desire, and install XP in the D: partition. To install Me after that see my
web site, www.dougknox.com and go to Win XP Tips

For Win9x/Me: Install 98/Me after XP is Installed.
For Windows 2000: Install Windows 2000 after XP is installed.
--
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Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
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"Linda Bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bruce wrote:
>
> <sipped>
>
> Nothing personal, but did you read my question? I ask how
> to create two primary partitions, and your links, and your
> advice shows how to create a primary/extended logical. Can
> you advise or not, please?
>
> Linda
>
>

[Linda bates]

Doug Wrote:

>FDISK will not create multiple Primary partitions. You
will need a 3rd party
>partitioning utility, or boot from the XP CD to
repartition your drive
>during Setup.
>
>It is possible to install XP first, then install Me after
the fact. Its a
>pretty simple process actually.
>
>In your case, boot from the XP CD and remove/create
partitions as you
>desire, and install XP in the D: partition. To install
Me after that see my
>web site, www.dougknox.com and go to Win XP Tips
>
>For Win9x/Me: Install 98/Me after XP is Installed.
>For Windows 2000: Install Windows 2000 after XP is
installed.
>--
>Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
>Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
>http://www.dougknox.com
>--------------------------------
>Associate Expert
>ExpertZone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>--------------------------------
>Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
>Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>

Thank you Doug, you're the only one that gave pretty much
the pertinent advice :-).

Anyway, as you stated to use the XP disk to repartition
the drive, does that mean that XP will create another
primary partition after I reinstall ME too (using the boot
disk for ME obviously). I don't want to install ME after
XP, because I want the filing system for XP to be NTFS.
Unless there is a way to install XP first (NTFS) primary,
then ME after that, on a primary partition also?

Bottom line- Do I have to have a partitioning utility like
BootitNG, PT8, etc to do what I want?

Thanks again,
Linda

[Doug Knox MS-MVP]

Linda,

In the scenario I descibed, you would use the XP CD to delete the existing
partition(s) and then re-create the new ones. There is no provision in XP
(during setup or after install) for resizing partitions to make space for
new ones.

As for installing ME after the fact with XP installed first on NTFS, not
with out a 3rd party boot manager.

Each OS should be installed to its own partition, and, without a boot
manager, Me can only be installed on a FAT or FAT32 partition, and the boot
files COMMAND.COM, MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS and others will be installed on the
first partition (C:). So C: has to be FAT or FAT32. Me's boot files have
to be able to read the other files on the drive, and Me doesn't understand
NTFS. Note, this does not prevent you from making the XP (second or other)
partition NTFS. It will work just fine. The only thing is the Me
installation won't be able to see the NTFS partition.

Another option is a 3rd party boot manager like BootIt Next Generation,
www.bootitng.com It has a full blown partition manager, as well as its boot
manager function. It will allow you to resize existing partitions, create
and delete them and etc. You could also have XP already installed on C: as
NTFS, make a new partition for D: to install Me to, and then make the D:
partition "bootable", and install Me without disturbing the XP install. You
can even hide one partition from another, so that they're completely
separate.

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
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"Linda bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> Doug Wrote:
>
> >FDISK will not create multiple Primary partitions. You
> will need a 3rd party
> >partitioning utility, or boot from the XP CD to
> repartition your drive
> >during Setup.
> >
> >It is possible to install XP first, then install Me after
> the fact. Its a
> >pretty simple process actually.
> >
> >In your case, boot from the XP CD and remove/create
> partitions as you
> >desire, and install XP in the D: partition. To install
> Me after that see my
> >web site, www.dougknox.com and go to Win XP Tips
> >
> >For Win9x/Me: Install 98/Me after XP is Installed.
> >For Windows 2000: Install Windows 2000 after XP is
> installed.
> >--
> >Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
> >Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> >http://www.dougknox.com
> >--------------------------------
> >Associate Expert
> >ExpertZone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >--------------------------------
> >Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> >Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> >
>
> Thank you Doug, you're the only one that gave pretty much
> the pertinent advice :-).
>
> Anyway, as you stated to use the XP disk to repartition
> the drive, does that mean that XP will create another
> primary partition after I reinstall ME too (using the boot
> disk for ME obviously). I don't want to install ME after
> XP, because I want the filing system for XP to be NTFS.
> Unless there is a way to install XP first (NTFS) primary,
> then ME after that, on a primary partition also?
>
> Bottom line- Do I have to have a partitioning utility like
> BootitNG, PT8, etc to do what I want?
>
> Thanks again,
> Linda

[Linda bates]

>-----Original Message-----
>Linda,
>
>In the scenario I descibed, you would use the XP CD to
delete the existing
>partition(s) and then re-create the new ones. There is
no provision in XP
>(during setup or after install) for resizing partitions
to make space for
>new ones.
>
>As for installing ME after the fact with XP installed
first on NTFS, not
>with out a 3rd party boot manager.
>
>Each OS should be installed to its own partition, and,
without a boot
>manager, Me can only be installed on a FAT or FAT32
partition, and the boot
>files COMMAND.COM, MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS and others will be
installed on the
>first partition (C:). So C: has to be FAT or FAT32.
Me's boot files have
>to be able to read the other files on the drive, and Me
doesn't understand
>NTFS. Note, this does not prevent you from making the XP
(second or other)
>partition NTFS. It will work just fine. The only thing
is the Me
>installation won't be able to see the NTFS partition.
>
>Another option is a 3rd party boot manager like BootIt
Next Generation,
>www.bootitng.com It has a full blown partition manager,
as well as its boot
>manager function. It will allow you to resize existing
partitions, create
>and delete them and etc. You could also have XP already
installed on C: as
>NTFS, make a new partition for D: to install Me to, and
then make the D:
>partition "bootable", and install Me without disturbing
the XP install. You
>can even hide one partition from another, so that they're
completely
>separate.
>
>--
>Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
>Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
>http://www.dougknox.com
>--------------------------------
>Associate Expert
>ExpertZone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>--------------------------------
>Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
>Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.


Hi,

I understand what you mean, and I plan on using ME in the
first partition, then XP (NTFS) second. Does the XP CD
have the ability to create two primary partitons, as I am
rerading what you state? Can two primaries in this
scenario, be achieved without a partitioning manager? I
want to do this today (husband taking the kids to their
grandparents in Leeds for a day), and have a good
opportunity to do this.

Please, a simple "Yes (I can do this without a boot
manager)", or "No" will do in what I ask this time :-)

If yes, then please explain, or give me a good link (your
site would be fine if it is detailed).

Thanks again,
Linda

[Doug Knox MS-MVP]

Linda,

Yes, you can create 2 primary partitions when booting from the XP CD. When
you boot from the XP CD and run setup, as part of setup, you'll be shown a
menu that lists what partitions available. There are choices there for
deleting and creating new partitions. As before, to create a new one, there
has to be unallocated space available, or you'll have to delete one or more
existing partitions to make one or more new ones (depending on the size you
want).

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Associate Expert
ExpertZone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
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"Linda bates" > wrote in message
...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Linda,
> >
> >In the scenario I descibed, you would use the XP CD to
> delete the existing
> >partition(s) and then re-create the new ones. There is
> no provision in XP
> >(during setup or after install) for resizing partitions
> to make space for
> >new ones.
> >
> >As for installing ME after the fact with XP installed
> first on NTFS, not
> >with out a 3rd party boot manager.
> >
> >Each OS should be installed to its own partition, and,
> without a boot
> >manager, Me can only be installed on a FAT or FAT32
> partition, and the boot
> >files COMMAND.COM, MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS and others will be
> installed on the
> >first partition (C:). So C: has to be FAT or FAT32.
> Me's boot files have
> >to be able to read the other files on the drive, and Me
> doesn't understand
> >NTFS. Note, this does not prevent you from making the XP
> (second or other)
> >partition NTFS. It will work just fine. The only thing
> is the Me
> >installation won't be able to see the NTFS partition.
> >
> >Another option is a 3rd party boot manager like BootIt
> Next Generation,
> >www.bootitng.com It has a full blown partition manager,
> as well as its boot
> >manager function. It will allow you to resize existing
> partitions, create
> >and delete them and etc. You could also have XP already
> installed on C: as
> >NTFS, make a new partition for D: to install Me to, and
> then make the D:
> >partition "bootable", and install Me without disturbing
> the XP install. You
> >can even hide one partition from another, so that they're
> completely
> >separate.
> >
> >--
> >Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
> >Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> >http://www.dougknox.com
> >--------------------------------
> >Associate Expert
> >ExpertZone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >--------------------------------
> >Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> >Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand what you mean, and I plan on using ME in the
> first partition, then XP (NTFS) second. Does the XP CD
> have the ability to create two primary partitons, as I am
> rerading what you state? Can two primaries in this
> scenario, be achieved without a partitioning manager? I
> want to do this today (husband taking the kids to their
> grandparents in Leeds for a day), and have a good
> opportunity to do this.
>
> Please, a simple "Yes (I can do this without a boot
> manager)", or "No" will do in what I ask this time :-)
>
> If yes, then please explain, or give me a good link (your
> site would be fine if it is detailed).
>
> Thanks again,
> Linda

[Andy]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:50:03 -0700, "Linda bates"
> wrote:

>
>I understand what you mean, and I plan on using ME in the
>first partition, then XP (NTFS) second. Does the XP CD
>have the ability to create two primary partitons, as I am
>rerading what you state?

No, the XP installation program will create only one primary
partition. If a primary partition already exists, it will create a
logical drive in an extended partition.

> Can two primaries in this
>scenario, be achieved without a partitioning manager?

No.

> I
>want to do this today (husband taking the kids to their
>grandparents in Leeds for a day), and have a good
>opportunity to do this.
>
>Please, a simple "Yes (I can do this without a boot
>manager)", or "No" will do in what I ask this time :-)
>
>If yes, then please explain, or give me a good link (your
>site would be fine if it is detailed).
>
>Thanks again,
>Linda