Is 7 any good?

[Annie Woughman]

"RustY ©" > wrote in message
...
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>
My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away with
Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet and I
refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites. Also, it
isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded
one in Vista.

[RustY ©]

I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is anyone
running anything bigger on it [successfully].

[M[_9_]]

RustY © wrote:
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops.

Whoever told you that, has no idea.

> Is anyone
> running anything bigger on it [successfully].

Millions are.

M
>
>

[Gordon]

"RustY ©" > wrote in message
...
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>

You're probably thinking of Windows 7 Starter edition for Netbooks...

[RustY ©]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
. uk...
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
>
> You're probably thinking of Windows 7 Starter edition for Netbooks...
I possibly am - thank you.

[RustY ©]

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader.

I can recomend X-news - its free and works well [other free newsreaders are
out there].

[Grenou]

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
> the rounded one in Vista.

I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
It works fine.
:-)
Grenou

[PeteB]

Hi
I've had W7 Home Premium since it was launched and I like it. I had Vista
Home Premium for a year & a half prev - it was good and had few big probs
and it certainly wasn't perfect. XP before that for a few years.

W7 is a kinda cross between the best bits of XP & Vista + extras. I have a
lot of processor hungry apps on my laptop but W7 seems to cope even better
than before. OK I'm lucky and have loads of RAM which always helps and all
OK so far. I have quite a few things running from Start Up and the boot
process took about 10 mins on Vista - it's much quicker with W7 (anything
between 2 and 5 mins now). I never had a big thing about boot times in the
past (go and make a coffee and all was OK) but the difference is pretty
noticeable now and lots of people will like that I'm sure when they don't
like to wait :-)

I did the upgrade online which worked with no problems for me - it did take
a long time to complete though (almost 5 hours to complete after it was
downloaded). I know that the majority will look at a clean install as the
best way to go but it would have been too much hastle for me to reinstall
all my apps)

OK, they don't force un-PC things on you now but I was never a big fan of IE
or OE anyway - Firefox & Thunderbird work better for me.

W7 has loads of subtle diffs from the old stuff and it may not be perfect
but I like it so far and it seems much quicker and more stable. I think the
people at Microsoft have listened to the masses - it won't suit everyone I'm
sure but I like it.

Pete

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"RustY ©" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gordon" > wrote in message
> . uk...
>>
>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>
>>
>> You're probably thinking of Windows 7 Starter edition for Netbooks...
> I possibly am - thank you.
>

[SC Tom[_3_]]

"Grenou" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>
>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
>> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
>> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
>> the rounded one in Vista.
>
> I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
> It works fine.
> :-)
> Grenou

I agree. The interface is very similar to OE, so the learning curve was nil.
Plus I was able to export my address book/contacts from Vista's Windows Mail
and import it into Live, along with my message and news group rules that
take care of a lot of the spam my ISP doesn't catch.

All in all, I like Win7. I upgraded my Vista notebook to Win7 Home Premium
32-bit, and definitely will NOT be going back. I find it faster and less
"heavy" feeling than Vista is. Not sure if I'll go to Win7 on my XP desktop
yet. Seems like a lot of work no matter which method is used, and I like XP
anyhow.

SC Tom

[milt]

Annie Woughman wrote:
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different
> websites. Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in
> the greater plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon
> instead of the rounded one in Vista.

Thunderbird works great with both newsgroups and e-mail. you should give
it a spin. getthunderbird.com

[Geordie]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:38:21 -0800, "Annie Woughman"
> compiled the following:

>
>"RustY ©" > wrote in message
...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
>My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away with
>Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet and I
>refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites. Also, it
>isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
>now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded
>one in Vista.

If you want free, then try one of the following:

Xnews, Xananews, Mesnews, 40Tude Dialog, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Claws
Mail.
--
Geordie
Usenet, how to post info:
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/faq08-topp.html
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html

[Gordon]

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...

> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet

There's DOZENS of them.
Thunderbird
Windows Live Mail
Pan
XNews
Agent
40tude.

To name just a few.

[Bullwinkle's news]

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
> the rounded one in Vista.

There is a newsreader built right into Windows Live Mail.

Click on "Go" and it tells you right on it that you can go to Newsgroups.

You still have to set it up depening on the newsgroup isp you are focussing
on.

Set it up the same way you set them up on your previous OS mail client.

Regards,

[R. C. White]

Hi, Annie.

If you liked OE and WM, you should love WLM - Windows Live Mail. It is NOT
the same as Windows Mail, just as Outlook Express is not the same as
Outlook. It's not bundled in Win7, but it's free to download.

To get WLM - plus as many of the other Live Essentials as you want
(Messenger, Movie Maker, Photo Gallery, etc.), just go to:
http://download.live.com

They're all free for the downloading. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>
> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
> the rounded one in Vista.

[Annie Woughman]

"Grenou" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>
>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
>> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
>> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
>> the rounded one in Vista.
>
> I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
> It works fine.
> :-)
> Grenou
Thanks for the heads up. I am now posting from Windows Live Mail

[Robert Miles[_2_]]

"Bullwinkle's news" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>
>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
>> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
>> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
>> the rounded one in Vista.
>
> There is a newsreader built right into Windows Live Mail.
>
> Click on "Go" and it tells you right on it that you can go to Newsgroups.
>
> You still have to set it up depening on the newsgroup isp you are
> focussing on.
>
> Set it up the same way you set them up on your previous OS mail client.
>
> Regards,
>
>

Is it any good at catching news spam that Windows Mail will not catch? For
example, is it possible to set up a rule to tell it to delete any news posts
that even mention a web page at a web site that I frequently see mentioned
in spam , but never in on-topic posts?

Robert

[Leviatan]

A Annie Woughman se le ha ocurrido que:

> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away with
> Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet and I
> refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites. Also, it
> isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
> now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded one
> in Vista.

Try MesNews.

--
Un saludo,
Alberto

[Trev[_3_]]

"Robert Miles" > wrote in message
...
> "Bullwinkle's news" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>>
>>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different
>>> websites. Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in
>>> the greater plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon
>>> instead of the rounded one in Vista.
>>
>> There is a newsreader built right into Windows Live Mail.
>>
>> Click on "Go" and it tells you right on it that you can go to Newsgroups.
>>
>> You still have to set it up depening on the newsgroup isp you are
>> focussing on.
>>
>> Set it up the same way you set them up on your previous OS mail client.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>
> Is it any good at catching news spam that Windows Mail will not catch?
> For example, is it possible to set up a rule to tell it to delete any news
> posts that even mention a web page at a web site that I frequently see
> mentioned in spam , but never in on-topic posts?
>
> Robert
>
> The "Rules" are the same as OE and WM.
Some security will be better as they (MS) Can update with out the user
having to get update fixes

[Leythos[_2_]]

In article >,
says...
>
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is anyone
> running anything bigger on it [successfully].

Works fine on all of our laptops and on our Dual CPU system.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

[Fritz Deneken]

"RustY ©" > schreef in bericht
...
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>
I'm afraid I have to say that Win7 is not much better than Vista.
Personally i think that XP Pro is the last decent OS Microsoft
has released.
Fritz Deneken

[Worn Out Retread]

Who ever told you that is full of crap. I'm running a Quad Core and it is
very good.

"RustY ©" > wrote in message
...
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>

[Anthony Buckland]

"Leviatan" > wrote in message
...
>A Annie Woughman se le ha ocurrido que:
>
>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
>> Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater
>> plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of
>> the rounded one in Vista.
>
> Try MesNews.
>
> --
> Un saludo,
> Alberto
>
>

I started a discussion over on one of the XP groups a
short while ago about what we would see machine
manufacturers package with Win 7 once it came out,
and to the degree that there was any consensus,
the choice was Thunderbird. Make of this what
you will.

[IK]

**SNIP**
>>
>> I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
>> It works fine.
>> :-)
>> Grenou
>
> I agree. The interface is very similar to OE, so the learning curve was
> nil. Plus I was able to export my address book/contacts from Vista's
> Windows Mail and import it into Live, along with my message and news group
> rules that take care of a lot of the spam my ISP doesn't catch.
>
> All in all, I like Win7. I upgraded my Vista notebook to Win7 Home Premium
> 32-bit, and definitely will NOT be going back. I find it faster and less
> "heavy" feeling than Vista is. Not sure if I'll go to Win7 on my XP
> desktop yet. Seems like a lot of work no matter which method is used, and
> I like XP anyhow.
>
> SC Tom
>
Ah, just the information I was looking for. I wonder though, can the most
recent version of OE be downloaded to a pc running windows 7?
Or likewise, can Windows Live work on a system running XP. Both questions
are pertenent to my sidiation...as I'm running my old computer beside my new
one for awhile.

[SC Tom[_3_]]

"IK" > wrote in message
...
> **SNIP**
>>>
>>> I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
>>> It works fine.
>>> :-)
>>> Grenou
>>
>> I agree. The interface is very similar to OE, so the learning curve was
>> nil. Plus I was able to export my address book/contacts from Vista's
>> Windows Mail and import it into Live, along with my message and news
>> group rules that take care of a lot of the spam my ISP doesn't catch.
>>
>> All in all, I like Win7. I upgraded my Vista notebook to Win7 Home
>> Premium 32-bit, and definitely will NOT be going back. I find it faster
>> and less "heavy" feeling than Vista is. Not sure if I'll go to Win7 on my
>> XP desktop yet. Seems like a lot of work no matter which method is used,
>> and I like XP anyhow.
>>
>> SC Tom
>>
> Ah, just the information I was looking for. I wonder though, can the most
> recent version of OE be downloaded to a pc running windows 7?
> Or likewise, can Windows Live work on a system running XP. Both questions
> are pertenent to my sidiation...as I'm running my old computer beside my
> new one for awhile.
>
Most components of Live will work in XP ( see here:
http://windowslive.com/systemrequirements ).
OE will not work in Win7.

SC Tom

[Grenou]

"Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Grenou" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Annie Woughman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "RustY ©" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
>>>> anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>>>>
>>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader. Win7 did away
>>> with Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>>> and I refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different
>>> websites. Also, it isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in
>>> the greater plan--but now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon
>>> instead of the rounded one in Vista.
>>
>> I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.
>> It works fine.
>> :-)
>> Grenou
> Thanks for the heads up. I am now posting from Windows Live Mail


Well done :-)
>

[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:38:21 -0800, "Annie Woughman"
> wrote:

> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader.



That doesn't bother me at all, for two reasons:

1. Not coming with a newsreader gives each person the opportunity to
choose whatever newsreader he prefers. I'm against operating systems
coming with application software (whether a newsreader or anything
else) since doing so makes it much more likely that many people will
use what they are given, rather than explore the alternatives and
choose what's best for them.

2. My personal preference is Forte Agent 5.0. I've used Agent for
several years, with Windows 7 as well as with earlier Windows
versions. I recommend that you try it, as well as the many others
available, and choose what *you* like best.


> Win7 did away with
> Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet


??? Then you haven't looked very hard. A Google search will get you
many alternatives to try.


> and I
> refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.


I'm with you entirely there. I greatly dislike using web-based forums
instead of newsreaders.


> Also, it
> isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
> now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded
> one in Vista.


Your choice of course, but each of our views as to what is "pretty" is
not necessarily the same. Personally, I don't find either Windows
Vista or Windows 7 to be prettier than the other, nor would I care a
lot if I did.

--
Ken Blake
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Cool Dude]

Vadim Igorev wrote:
> Fritz Deneken wrote:
>
>> Personally i think that XP Pro is the last decent OS Microsoft
>> has released.
> I think the same, even that Vista after recent upgrade runs much faster,
> there was no better OS by Microsoft than XP Pro, it's all downhill from
> there for them and for us.
You got that right and why I still run XP.

[Win challenged]

In article >,
"Fritz Deneken" > wrote:

> "RustY ©" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> > I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is
> > anyone running anything bigger on it [successfully].
> >
> I'm afraid I have to say that Win7 is not much better than Vista.
> Personally i think that XP Pro is the last decent OS Microsoft
> has released.
> Fritz Deneken

Unfortunately I'm gradually realizing the same.
Oh well, M$ can use the income.

[Navin R. Johnson]

Hi Ken - Sorry to butt in and top-post, but...

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
> wrote:

>On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:38:21 -0800, "Annie Woughman"
> wrote:
>
>> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader.
>
>
>
>That doesn't bother me at all, for two reasons:
>
>1. Not coming with a newsreader gives each person the opportunity to
>choose whatever newsreader he prefers. I'm against operating systems
>coming with application software (whether a newsreader or anything
>else) since doing so makes it much more likely that many people will
>use what they are given, rather than explore the alternatives and
>choose what's best for them.
>
>2. My personal preference is Forte Agent 5.0. I've used Agent for
>several years, with Windows 7 as well as with earlier Windows
>versions. I recommend that you try it, as well as the many others
>available, and choose what *you* like best.

KEN:

About Agent 5.0: that's what I use currently - on a WinXP Pro system I
built. Specs: 8Gb DDR2 (will utilize this when Win7 gets loaded), AMD
Phenom II X4 940, WD 300GB VelociRaptor (along with three WD TeraByte
SATA 'data' drives), ASUS M4A79 Deluxe Mbd, Radeon HD 4650 & two
external eSATA drives. AntiVirus - Kaspersky Internet Security 2009
(upgraded to 2010 then ran an update which went terribly wrong & then
had to go back to the 2009 version) & MalwareBytes Anti-malware.

Since upgrading from Agent 4.2 to 5.0 though, I've found that it's
almost impossible to do anything else on my system while Agent is
downloading binary files - it seems to take a large percentage of CPU
time away from anything else that I try to run. I have the Windows 7
Pro Upgrade (purchased 64-bit EDU version from DigitalRiver for $30)
and plan on using Gnome Partition Editor to make room on the 300GB
drive for it - for dual boot. I have downloaded all required Win7
64-bit drivers to support my hardware. My question: in your opinion,
will this setup work? And do you think Windows 7 will handle Agent 5.0
better than XP - without allowing Agent to hog the CPU and slow things
to a crawl? I do still have the 4.2 version of Agent and could try it.
Also, should I set my motherboard for AHCI to load Win7 - it's now set
to IDE (compatable) mode - or just leave it alone?

Again, sorry to intrude. I probably should've just started a new
thread. Thanx in advance for your help.

NRJ

>> Win7 did away with
>> Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
>
>
>??? Then you haven't looked very hard. A Google search will get you
>many alternatives to try.
>
>
>> and I
>> refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
>
>
>I'm with you entirely there. I greatly dislike using web-based forums
>instead of newsreaders.
>
>
>> Also, it
>> isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
>> now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded
>> one in Vista.
>
>
>Your choice of course, but each of our views as to what is "pretty" is
>not necessarily the same. Personally, I don't find either Windows
>Vista or Windows 7 to be prettier than the other, nor would I care a
>lot if I did.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:41:36 -0500, Navin R. Johnson
> wrote:

> Hi Ken - Sorry to butt in and top-post, but...


Not a problem.


> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:38:21 -0800, "Annie Woughman"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My biggest gripe is the lack of any kind of newsreader.
> >
> >
> >
> >That doesn't bother me at all, for two reasons:
> >
> >1. Not coming with a newsreader gives each person the opportunity to
> >choose whatever newsreader he prefers. I'm against operating systems
> >coming with application software (whether a newsreader or anything
> >else) since doing so makes it much more likely that many people will
> >use what they are given, rather than explore the alternatives and
> >choose what's best for them.
> >
> >2. My personal preference is Forte Agent 5.0. I've used Agent for
> >several years, with Windows 7 as well as with earlier Windows
> >versions. I recommend that you try it, as well as the many others
> >available, and choose what *you* like best.
>
> KEN:
>
> About Agent 5.0: that's what I use currently - on a WinXP Pro system I
> built. Specs: 8Gb DDR2 (will utilize this when Win7 gets loaded), AMD
> Phenom II X4 940, WD 300GB VelociRaptor (along with three WD TeraByte
> SATA 'data' drives), ASUS M4A79 Deluxe Mbd, Radeon HD 4650 & two
> external eSATA drives. AntiVirus - Kaspersky Internet Security 2009
> (upgraded to 2010 then ran an update which went terribly wrong & then
> had to go back to the 2009 version) & MalwareBytes Anti-malware.
>
> Since upgrading from Agent 4.2 to 5.0 though, I've found that it's
> almost impossible to do anything else on my system while Agent is
> downloading binary files - it seems to take a large percentage of CPU
> time away from anything else that I try to run.


I have no experience with binary newsgroups, so I can't agree or
disagree with that. But I can tell that I've never had such an
experience with text newsgroups.


> I have the Windows 7
> Pro Upgrade (purchased 64-bit EDU version from DigitalRiver for $30)
> and plan on using Gnome Partition Editor to make room on the 300GB
> drive for it - for dual boot. I have downloaded all required Win7
> 64-bit drivers to support my hardware. My question: in your opinion,
> will this setup work? And do you think Windows 7 will handle Agent 5.0
> better than XP - without allowing Agent to hog the CPU and slow things
> to a crawl? I do still have the 4.2 version of Agent and could try it.
> Also, should I set my motherboard for AHCI to load Win7 - it's now set
> to IDE (compatable) mode - or just leave it alone?


Sorry, I can't comment about binary newsgroups, but my experience with
text newsgroups in Agent 5.0 in both XP and Windows 7 has been fine.



> Again, sorry to intrude. I probably should've just started a new
> thread. Thanx in advance for your help.
>
> NRJ
>
> >> Win7 did away with
> >> Windows Mail. I still haven't found another newsreader for usenet
> >
> >
> >??? Then you haven't looked very hard. A Google search will get you
> >many alternatives to try.
> >
> >
> >> and I
> >> refuse to go to those stupid fake newsgroups on different websites.
> >
> >
> >I'm with you entirely there. I greatly dislike using web-based forums
> >instead of newsreaders.
> >
> >
> >> Also, it
> >> isn't as "pretty" as Vista--I know small potatoes in the greater plan--but
> >> now the task bar is just a flat transparent ribbon instead of the rounded
> >> one in Vista.
> >
> >
> >Your choice of course, but each of our views as to what is "pretty" is
> >not necessarily the same. Personally, I don't find either Windows
> >Vista or Windows 7 to be prettier than the other, nor would I care a
> >lot if I did.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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[Canuck57[_5_]]

RustY © wrote:

> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is anyone
> running anything bigger on it [successfully].

Doesn't include a mail program if that is what you mean. You can
download the flaky "Live Mail" junk, but I prefer Thunderbird.

Win 7 is Vista regurgitated. Same performance isues but they did
improve the Aero a little by removing the smoothness and frame rates.
Appears faster but is chunky. But if you benchmark disk and network
copies, same issues as Vista.

The gadget bar has changed, some resolutions cause overlap and spacing
is more like the desktop. A step backwards in my opinion.

Certainly not worth $$ to upgrade. In fact I reverted back to Vista.

AMD X4 9750, ATI 4350, 8GB RAM, 750GB and 1TB drives. Didn't waste my
time putting it on a similarly equiped Q6600.

[Gordon]

"Canuck57" > wrote in message
...

> Win 7 is Vista regurgitated. Same performance isues

Actually not. Certainly not here on the same hardware that I ran Vista on.
One thing I have noticed - the undocumented, unacknowledged "feature" that
Vista has/had, of randomly dropping the wireless internet connection (not
the WLAN, just the Internet), has been fixed in 7...

[Top]

In article >,
says...
>
> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is anyone
> running anything bigger on it [successfully].

I'm having good results running Win 7 on a 5 year old
Dell desktop. Better than Vista I would say although I
had no major problems with Vista either.

Win 7 installed with no effort from me. It is a bit
slower to load than I would like but as I said this is
an older machine, 3 ghz processor with 2 gb ram. I'm
using Win 7 Pro.

[jimmywin7]

hi guys

I recently imaged my vista home prem. x32 and formatted and installed win 7
pro. It took me 3 tries to finally get it to work well. I have a Dell
Inspiron E1705 laptop I am working with and win 7 pro had no support for
the ATI mobility radeon x1400 video adapter. So I figured I would try one
of the MS built in drivers for ATI cards as it was assigning only a
standard VGA driver. So after some research and seeing what may be working
for others, I manually updated the device and tried 2 drivers, both
actually worked fine and was stable for me. The first was just the radeon
x1300 driver ( no mobility, but the desktop version) and then I tried the
x1600 and that is what I have been using.

Nice system, according to Dell the inspiron e1705 was not compatible, but I
got it to work fine after fighting with the video issues. I originally
tried the Dell vista ati driver and it worked, but on reboot screen went
black and had to shutdown several times. After the third format and
install, I figured out the video issue and the radeon x1600 (desktop driver
I assume) is working well. Base score on performance gives me a 3.6 which
is fine with me. I also ran direct x diagnostics (dxdiag.exe in system32
folder) and it showed no problems with the display.

I thought this to be kind of funny that this driver is working for me, but
I would not advise this for anyone else. my experience may not be good for
someone else depending on their system. Many are having display issues and
this is how I got mine working. Ati (amd) are not bothering with "older"
cards to update their drivers, but supposedly MS has one on their update
server, but as long as this is working, I will not chance using MS driver.
Hopefully I will find the proper driver down the road somewhere after this
has been out for awhile. I am a computer tech for about 11 years now and
always advise folks to wait for at least 6 months to a year before
upgrading. I do not advise "upgrades", as that is asking for trouble but
some folks prefer that as it is usually less expensive. clean installs are
best if you can do it, as long as you save your necessary data. I do
believe you can do clean full installs using the upgrade version according
to windows secrets newsletter.

So far I really like the memory management, it is far better than Vista
was. I am learning how to get into the system and customize and tweak, but
so far I am impressed with the stability and performance, although in some
cases it is a bit slower than Vista, most though it is on par. I still have
to shake my head at the sheer size of both Vista and win 7...my install was
clean, and it came in around 8 GB without additional software installed, so
I trimmed some size by putting the pagefile on another partition, I image
drives/partitions regularly for backups, so I shut off "system restore"
feature. Got it down to around 6.5 GB before I installed AV and a few other
programs. It will be awhile before some companies get their apps coded for
win 7, but many vista and older apps work just fine so far other than
firewalls. be careful with firewall software, I do advise getting a good
software firewall, but it can cause havoc if not totally compatible with
win 7, just a warning.

Working well, hope this helps someone who is having any issues with display
cards. i think this will do much better than Vista did, although I did not
have any major problems with vista other than it was such a memory hog lol.

all my best :)
Jim
---

Top > wrote:
>
>In article >,
says...
>>
>> I've been told that 7 is a limited version of windos for laptops. Is anyone
>> running anything bigger on it [successfully].
>
>I'm having good results running Win 7 on a 5 year old
>Dell desktop. Better than Vista I would say although I
>had no major problems with Vista either.
>
>Win 7 installed with no effort from me. It is a bit
>slower to load than I would like but as I said this is
>an older machine, 3 ghz processor with 2 gb ram. I'm
>using Win 7 Pro.
>

[Leythos[_2_]]

In article >, jimmywin7
says...
> I have a Dell
> Inspiron E1705 laptop I am working with and win 7 pro had no support for
> the ATI mobility radeon x1400 video adapter.
>

You should have installed the Windows XP video card driver, Win 7
permits it and it's worked fine on my laptop that doesn't have native
Vista/Win 7 video card drivers.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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