AOL Dialup & Windows 7 [Archive]

VanguardLH[_2_]

February 6th 11, 01:26 AM

BobbyZ wrote:

> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote ...
>
> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only ...
>
> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get ...
>
> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any ...

The above lines were truncated to a reasonable line length. The OP is
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not wrap lines at a decent line length (76 chars, or less). It
generated one long line per paragraph. Get a real newsreader if you
want to POST messages here.

So what is stopping the granfolk from calling AOL and having an install
CD mailed to them? Used to be AOL so flooded the market with mailed
CDs, free CDs in the grocery stores, computer shops tossing them in at
the sales counter, that it was a joke you could decorate your xmas tree
with all those CDs. They probably still have some left.

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Not only is GrabIt horrible for submitting messages to newsgroups,
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and not even as a signature (i.e., after a sigdash line). So your
choice for newsreader that adds spam to your posts ends up making your
posts as spam. Stop spamming in Usenet. Get a real newsreader if you
want to post here.

Bettablue

February 6th 11, 01:57 AM

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
> combination. "Error 691".

(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
those out in the mail?

**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

GlowingBlueMist[_4_]

February 6th 11, 03:14 AM

On 2/5/2011 4:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
<Snip>

It sounds like they are trying to use AOL as their ISP. If so you can
call the AOL help desk for them and verify the initial phone number and
other settings needed in order for the computer to make it's "first
contact" with the "AOL the ISP" and then use the Internet Explorer
browser to download the actual AOL software. Be sure to tell AOL where
the party lives you are helping so that they can look up the local or
toll free ISP inbound phone number for you. AOL ISP dial-up username
and password is also a place where many errors creap into the mix...

An alternative would be to boot from an older AOL CD if they have one
and then once it makes contact you would go ahead and do an online
upgrade to 9.6 or what ever is currently being used.

If all else fails, try checking out NetZero

http://my.netzero.net/s/numbers

or another free (with advertisements) ISP to use for initial contact and
download the AOL software using them, and then switch the dialing over
to AOL's once that software is installed.

Char Jackson

February 6th 11, 04:00 AM

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
>
>On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>> combination. "Error 691".
>
>(Please set a reasonable line length.)
>
>I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>
>
>
>--
>Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>Shikata ga nai...
>
>
>Bettablue Writes:
>
>Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>those out in the mail?
>
>
>**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>
>They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
>Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

--

Char Jackson

Paul

February 6th 11, 05:35 AM

BobbyZ wrote:
> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location. They recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7 machine with insurance money to replace it.
>
> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only choice right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine. However, they need to connect in order to download the software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>
> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it. And in order to connect, they need the software.
>
> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion that is not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already understand that argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right now, for these particular folks, AOL is their *only* choice.
>
> Thanks.
>

According to this user, he had to burn an AOL CD with their
software, to establish a connection.

http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/92250-windows-7-dialup-isp-setup-problem.html

The "error 691" is likely a DUN (dialup networking) error number.
Some of the modem sites, will repeat the error message you're
seeing. But debugging such an error, won't be necessarily that
easy, unless the error message includes details about what
protocols were attempted.

AOL may not be using bog-standard PPP. I could find one open
source package, that claimed to connect to AOL, but unfortunately,
it contained no simple-minded summary to explain how AOL differs
from other dialup services. It did have a software module, that
does some kind of compression. But PPP itself has compression options,
so such a notion isn't exactly new. Even though I have a copy
of "PengAOL" source, I'm no further ahead in understanding exactly
what those jokers at AOL are doing.

*******

The AOL 9.6 package is here. 49.6MB

http://download.newaol.com/aacd/AOL96.exe

Instructions for preparing a CD are here.

"BURN-YOUR-OWN-AOL-CD"

http://help.aol.com/help/microsites/microsite.do?cmd=displayKCPopup&docType=kc&externalId=223798#1b

The instructions appear to be nothing more, than using built-in IMAPI support
to burn the executable file to a CD. On a Windows 7 computer, you could
burn a DVD with a data file on it, as Windows 7 has IMAPI2. An OS like
WinXP, can burn a data CD using IMAPI, but doesn't have support for a
DVD.

Or, if you have other burning software, it won't be difficult to copy
that 49.6MB file to the CD, then mail it to the AOL user. Once they
double-click on the single icon on the CD, then the fun begins. You
could even use a USB flash stick, to send the file to them. The instructions
at AOL, don't appear to be doing any post-processing of the download,
just moving the AOL96.exe file to a piece of media.

Paul

Peter Foldes

February 6th 11, 06:33 AM

"BobbyZ" > wrote in message
m...
> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location. They recently
> lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7 machine with insurance money
> to replace it.
>
> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only choice right now).
> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine. However, they
> need to connect in order to download the software. But - and here's the Catch-22
> part - the Windows 7 dialup connection will not support the AOL access
> number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>
> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it. And in order
> to connect, they need the software.
>
> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion that is not a
> flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already understand that argument, and
> agree wholeheartedly. But for right now, for these particular folks, AOL is their
> *only* choice.

Why don't you download it for this person or call AOL and they will send the disc

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Clog_-_wog (®)

February 6th 11, 10:54 AM

"BobbyZ" > schreef in bericht
m...
> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location.

United States, I assume?

> They recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7
> machine with insurance money to replace it.
>
> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only choice
> right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7
> machine. However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup connection will
> not support the AOL access number/username/password combination. "Error
> 691".
>
> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it. And
> in order to connect, they need the software.
>
> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion that is
> not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already understand that
> argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right now, for these
> particular folks, AOL is their

*only* choice.????????
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=free+dial+up+isp+United+states
http://www.ispbargains.com/free-isp.html
"Greetings! You found the most frequently updated list of Internet Service
Providers offering totally FREE dial-up access in the United States."
>
> Thanks.

GFIA
<snipped spam>

Clog_-_wog (®)

February 6th 11, 10:59 AM

"Alias" > schreef in bericht
...
> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location. They
>> recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7 machine
>> with insurance money to replace it.
>>
>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only choice
>> right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7
>> machine. However, they need to connect in order to download the
>> software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>> combination. "Error 691".
>>
>> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it. And
>> in order to connect, they need the software.
>>
>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion that
>> is not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already understand
>> that argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right now, for these
>> particular folks, AOL is their *only* choice.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt =----------------
>> ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =---------
>> -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>
>
> If they don't mind making a long distance call to Europe to download AOL,
> I can give you a free dial up number that requires no user name or
> password.

Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>
HTH & GFIA

Alias[_49_]

February 6th 11, 11:05 AM

On 02/06/2011 11:59 AM, Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
> "Alias" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location.
>>> They recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7
>>> machine with insurance money to replace it.
>>>
>>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only
>>> choice right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on
>>> the W7 machine. However, they need to connect in order to download
>>> the software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7
>>> dialup connection will not support the AOL access
>>> number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>>>
>>> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it.
>>> And in order to connect, they need the software.
>>>
>>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion
>>> that is not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already
>>> understand that argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right
>>> now, for these particular folks, AOL is their *only* choice.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt =----------------
>>> ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =---------
>>> -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>>
>>
>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to Europe to download
>> AOL, I can give you a free dial up number that requires no user name
>> or password.
>
> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!

Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as usual.

>>
> HTH & GFIA

Kiss my ass.

--
Alias

Stan Brown

February 6th 11, 02:09 PM

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, bettablue wrote:
>
> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
> t...
>
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
> > So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
> > However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
> > But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
> > connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
> > combination. "Error 691".
>
> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>
> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.

Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Alias[_49_]

February 6th 11, 02:53 PM

On 02/06/2011 12:21 PM, Clogwog wrote:
> "Alias" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>> On 02/06/2011 11:59 AM, Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
>>> "Alias" > schreef in bericht
>>> ...
>>>> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location.
>>>>> They recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7
>>>>> machine with insurance money to replace it.
>>>>>
>>>>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only
>>>>> choice right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on
>>>>> the W7 machine. However, they need to connect in order to download
>>>>> the software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7
>>>>> dialup connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>> number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>
>>>>> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it.
>>>>> And in order to connect, they need the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion
>>>>> that is not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already
>>>>> understand that argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right
>>>>> now, for these particular folks, AOL is their *only* choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt =----------------
>>>>> ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =---------
>>>>> -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to Europe to download
>>>> AOL, I can give you a free dial up number that requires no user name
>>>> or password.
>>>
>>> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>>
>> Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as usual.
>>
>>>>
>>> HTH & GFIA
>>
>> Kiss my ass.
>>
> No thank you, because yer asshole is so reamed out, that it must have
> room for a 20-lb. CO2 tank!
> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/gas-tank-web.jpg

So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?

--
Alias

GreyCloud

February 7th 11, 06:04 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>> t...
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>> combination. "Error 691".
>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>
>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>> Shikata ga nai...
>>
>>
>> Bettablue Writes:
>>
>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>> those out in the mail?
>>
>>
>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
>
> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>
> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
> replied.
> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>
> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.

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Peter Foldes

February 7th 11, 06:22 AM

"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
> wrote:

> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>
> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
> replied.
> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>
> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

Char

Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues that you
describe

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DanS[_3_]

February 7th 11, 12:44 PM

"Clogwog" > wrote in
:

> "Alias" > schreef in
> bericht ...
>> On 02/06/2011 12:21 PM, Clogwog wrote:
>>> "Alias" > schreef in
>>> bericht ...
>>>> On 02/06/2011 11:59 AM, Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" > schreef
>>>>> in bericht
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very*
>>>>>>> remote location. They recently lost the use of their
>>>>>>> old XP machine, and bought a W7 machine with
>>>>>>> insurance money to replace it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is
>>>>>>> their only choice right now). So they need to install
>>>>>>> the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine. However, they
>>>>>>> need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7
>>>>>>> dialup connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>>>> number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, they need to get the software, but must be
>>>>>>> connected to get it. And in order to connect, they
>>>>>>> need the software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean
>>>>>>> "any suggestion that is not a flame against AOL or
>>>>>>> dialup in general". I already understand that
>>>>>>> argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right
>>>>>>> now, for these particular folks, AOL is their *only*
>>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt =----------------
>>>>>>> ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy
>>>>>>> =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from
>>>>>>> http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to
>>>>>> Europe to download AOL, I can give you a free dial up
>>>>>> number that requires no user name or password.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>>>>
>>>> Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as
>>>> usual.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> HTH & GFIA
>>>>
>>>> Kiss my ass.
>>>>
>>> No thank you, because yer asshole is so reamed out, that
>>> it must have room for a 20-lb. CO2 tank!
>>> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/gas-tank-web.jpg
>>
>> So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?
>>
> What is it with you lintards and arses?
> Advice: try Fwank!
> <muffled laughter />

Franker the ******, the uber-Windows zealot was obsessed with
wanting to shove things in people's asses......

......it has nothing to do with Linux.

Besides, it was you that took a standard cussing putdown and
expanded on it just like Frank would, to expose your real
desires.

Are you the next Frank ?

FooAtari[_2_]

February 7th 11, 01:51 PM

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.

I see the same problem Char mentioned. I believe it's the new version of
Windows Live Mail doesn't handle Newsgroups postings well at all. I've
seen a lot of complaints about across various groups.

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DanS[_3_]

February 7th 11, 05:37 PM

"Clogwog" > wrote in
:

> "DanS" >
> schreef in bericht
> . 97.131...
>> "Clogwog" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "Alias" > schreef in
>>> bericht ...
>>>> On 02/06/2011 12:21 PM, Clogwog wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" > schreef
>>>>> in bericht
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 02/06/2011 11:59 AM, Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" >
>>>>>>> schreef in bericht
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very*
>>>>>>>>> remote location. They recently lost the use of
>>>>>>>>> their old XP machine, and bought a W7 machine with
>>>>>>>>> insurance money to replace it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really
>>>>>>>>> is their only choice right now). So they need to
>>>>>>>>> install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download
>>>>>>>>> the software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part -
>>>>>>>>> the Windows 7 dialup connection will not support
>>>>>>>>> the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, they need to get the software, but must be
>>>>>>>>> connected to get it. And in order to connect, they
>>>>>>>>> need the software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean
>>>>>>>>> "any suggestion that is not a flame against AOL or
>>>>>>>>> dialup in general". I already understand that
>>>>>>>>> argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right
>>>>>>>>> now, for these particular folks, AOL is their
>>>>>>>>> *only* choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt
>>>>>>>>> =---------------- ------= Binary Usenet downloading
>>>>>>>>> made easy =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from
>>>>>>>>> http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to
>>>>>>>> Europe to download AOL, I can give you a free dial
>>>>>>>> up number that requires no user name or password.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as
>>>>>> usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH & GFIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kiss my ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No thank you, because yer asshole is so reamed out,
>>>>> that it must have room for a 20-lb. CO2 tank!
>>>>> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/gas-tank-web.jpg
>>>>
>>>> So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?
>>>>
>>> What is it with you lintards and arses?
>>> Advice: try Fwank!
>>> <muffled laughter />
>>
>> Franker the ******, the uber-Windows zealot was obsessed
>> with wanting to shove things in people's asses......
>>
>> .....it has nothing to do with Linux.
>
> Linux makes you gay!

What's your excuse ?

Was it an "uncle" or older male neighbor ?

>> Biesdes, it was you taht took a stnardad ciunssg pwduton
>> and eaexpdnd on it jsut lkie Fnrak wloud, to eposxe yuor
>> rael dseries.
>>
>> Are you the nxet Frnak ?
>
> What are you smoking, snot****?

I see.....you're one of those retarded dip****s that when your
caught making an ass of yourself and there's no way out of it,
you'll edit the post you are replying to in an attempt to look
cute/clever/smart/whatever you think it does......

Too bad it only makes you come across as an ignorant, immature
little ****ant, at best.

Clogwog

February 7th 11, 06:57 PM

"FooAtari" > schreef in bericht
eb.com...
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>
> I see the same problem Char mentioned. I believe it's the new version of
> Windows Live Mail doesn't handle Newsgroups postings well at all. I've
> seen a lot of complaints about across various groups.
>
Your right and the solution is to downgrade WLM to WLM 2009:
http://www.filehippo.com/download_windows_live_mail/8305/
Windows Live Mail 2009
Microsoft Corporation - 1.19MB (Freeware)
(settings, accounts e.t.c. will be saved, if you uninstall Windows Live Mail
15.4.3502.922)

Char Jackson

February 7th 11, 07:00 PM

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
wrote:

>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>> wrote:
>
>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>
>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>> replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>
>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>
>
>Char
>
>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues that you
>describe

No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson

February 7th 11, 07:01 PM

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>
>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>>> those out in the mail?
>>>
>>>
>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>
>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
>>
>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>
>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>> replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>
>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>
>
>That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.

Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.

--

Char Jackson

chrisv

February 7th 11, 07:05 PM

"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>> replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>
>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>
>>
>>Char
>>
>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues that
>>you
>>describe
>
> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.

OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.

Char Jackson

February 7th 11, 07:18 PM

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:05:20 -0800, "chrisv" >
wrote:

>
>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>> replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>
>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>
>>>
>>>Char
>>>
>>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues that
>>>you
>>>describe
>>
>> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
>> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
>> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.
>
>OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.

Cool, but I'd have to see it to believe it. There's just too much
wrong for me to believe it can fix all of it.

--

Char Jackson

DanS[_3_]

February 7th 11, 07:35 PM

>>>>>>>>>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to
>>>>>>>>>> Europe to download AOL, I can give you a free dial
>>>>>>>>>> up number that requires no user name or password.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as
>>>>>>>> usual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH & GFIA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kiss my ass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No thank you, because yer asshole is so reamed out,
>>>>>>> that it must have room for a 20-lb. CO2 tank!
>>>>>>> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/gas-tank-web.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>> What is it with you lintards and arses?
>>>>> Advice: try Fwank!
>>>>> <muffled laughter />
>>>>
>>>> Franker the ******, the uber-Windows zealot was obsessed
>>>> with wanting to shove things in people's asses......
>>>>
>>>> .....it has nothing to do with Linux.
>>>
>>> Linux makes you gay!
>>
>> What's your excuse ?
>>
>> Was it an "uncle" or older male neighbor ?
>>
>>
>>>> Biesdes, it was you taht took a stnardad ciunssg pwduton
>>>> and eaexpdnd on it jsut lkie Fnrak wloud, to eposxe yuor
>>>> rael dseries.
>>>>
>>>> Are you the nxet Frnak ?
>>>
>>> What are you smoking, snot****?
>>
>> I see.....you're one of those retarded dip****s that when
>> your caught making an ass of yourself and there's no way
>> out of it, you'll edit the post you are replying to in an
>> attempt to look cute/clever/smart/whatever you think it
>> does......
>>
>> Too bad it only makes you come across as an ignorant,
>> immature little ****ant, at best.
>
>
> Your sensibilities are so noted, you brainless pansy-arsed
> ****-wipe. Maybe I like to give insignificant little ****s,
> such as yourself, something to bitch about.

Wow...you must be a genius to be able to string together such
obscenities.

So can most third-graders, though.

Clogwog

February 7th 11, 09:37 PM

"chrisv" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Char Jackson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>> replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>
>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>
>>>
>>>Char
>>>
>>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues that
>>>you
>>>describe
>>
>> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
>> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
>> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.
>
> OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.

OE6 = XP
>

WM (without "L"), Vista, with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess too.
Seems possible to get WM in Windows 7, haven't tried it yet!
<aside>
You are the Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 chrisv, not the COLA "turd".
Well, I might *plonk* you anyway! ;-)
*PLONK*

relic[_3_]

February 7th 11, 10:12 PM

"Clogwog" > wrote in message
...
> "chrisv" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>>
>> "Char Jackson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>> replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Char
>>>>
>>>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues
>>>>that you
>>>>describe
>>>
>>> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
>>> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
>>> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.
>>
>> OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.
>
> OE6 = XP

Or, W7 Pro and up with XP Mode emulator
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

>>
>
> WM (without "L"), Vista, with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess too.
> Seems possible to get WM in Windows 7, haven't tried it yet!
> <aside>
> You are the Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 chrisv, not the COLA "turd".
> Well, I might *plonk* you anyway! ;-)
> *PLONK*

relic[_3_]

February 7th 11, 10:14 PM

"Clogwog" > wrote in message
...
> "chrisv" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>>
>> "Char Jackson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>> replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Char
>>>>
>>>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues
>>>>that you
>>>>describe
>>>
>>> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
>>> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
>>> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.
>>
>> OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.
>
> OE6 = XP
>>
>
> WM (without "L"), Vista, with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess too.
> Seems possible to get WM in Windows 7, haven't tried it yet!
> <aside>
> You are the Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 chrisv, not the COLA "turd".
> Well, I might *plonk* you anyway! ;-)
> *PLONK*

chrisv is the most popular name on UseNet.

*Plink*

Char Jackson

February 7th 11, 10:25 PM

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:14:02 -0800, "relic" > wrote:

>chrisv is the most popular name on UseNet.

I can't imagine which definition of popular you might be referring to,
or what your basis for making the claim might be. It certainly isn't
the most common or well liked, for example.

--

Char Jackson

relic[_3_]

February 7th 11, 11:44 PM

"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:14:02 -0800, "relic" > wrote:
>
>>chrisv is the most popular name on UseNet.
>
> I can't imagine which definition of popular you might be referring to,
> or what your basis for making the claim might be. It certainly isn't
> the most common or well liked, for example.
>

If you read multiple groups, you'll see chrisv posts in almost any froup you
choose. It's also the most forged nim you'll run across; pretty popular.

Char Jackson

February 8th 11, 03:25 AM

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:44:22 -0800, "relic" > wrote:

>
>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:14:02 -0800, "relic" > wrote:
>>
>>>chrisv is the most popular name on UseNet.
>>
>> I can't imagine which definition of popular you might be referring to,
>> or what your basis for making the claim might be. It certainly isn't
>> the most common or well liked, for example.
>>
>
>If you read multiple groups, you'll see chrisv posts in almost any froup you
>choose. It's also the most forged nim you'll run across; pretty popular.

I read multiple groups and haven't found that to be the case.

--

Char Jackson

XS11E

February 8th 11, 04:47 AM

"relic" > wrote:

> If you read multiple groups, you'll see chrisv posts in almost any
> froup you choose.

Nope, sorry,

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

GreyCloud

February 8th 11, 06:16 AM

FooAtari wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>
> I see the same problem Char mentioned. I believe it's the new version of
> Windows Live Mail doesn't handle Newsgroups postings well at all. I've
> seen a lot of complaints about across various groups.
>

One of those annoyances that may never get fixed, or get fixed by a
third party
like quote-fix for OE 6.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

GreyCloud

February 8th 11, 06:18 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>> t...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>
>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>
>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>> replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>
>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>
>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>
> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>

Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
So from my viewing, everything looks fine.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 8th 11, 02:32 PM

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:18:26 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>
>> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
>> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>>
>
>Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
>everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
>So from my viewing, everything looks fine.

Showing my ignorance here, but I didn't know Sun had their own version
of Thunderbird, or that they had any kind of Mozilla project at all.
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118)

What I find most odd, though, is that while you said bettablue's post
came through properly formatted for you, when you replied to it the
formatting got all messed up again, so the fixes were apparently only
local to you and not preserved for follow-ups.

--

Char Jackson

Peter Foldes

February 8th 11, 02:57 PM

"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:05:20 -0800, "chrisv" >
> wrote

> Cool, but I'd have to see it to believe it. There's just too much
> wrong for me to believe it can fix all of it.

Char

To be fair,I am not seeing any issues with the posting in question. I use OE and
have DG's Quote Fix installed and I see nothing wrong. BUT.when WLM came out and I
tried it,as fast as I tried it is as fast I got rid of it. It was so full of issues
and much more than OE ever was,and knowing how the MS team with their history on OE
was,I got rid of it A.S.A.P.
Good to know that they fixed everything in Live Mail :-) (Sarcastically saying)

--
Peter
Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

Char Jackson

February 8th 11, 03:37 PM

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:57:11 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
wrote:

>
>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:05:20 -0800, "chrisv" >
>> wrote
>
>> Cool, but I'd have to see it to believe it. There's just too much
>> wrong for me to believe it can fix all of it.
>
>
>Char
>
>To be fair,I am not seeing any issues with the posting in question. I use OE and
>have DG's Quote Fix installed and I see nothing wrong.

I hear what you're saying, but OE+QF won't fix the mess that was
bettablue's post. It helps, but it's not a miracle worker. Notice that
the folks who said OE+QF was able to fix everything up weren't able to
post a corrected version of her post, so I'm very skeptical.

>BUT.when WLM came out and I
>tried it,as fast as I tried it is as fast I got rid of it. It was so full of issues
>and much more than OE ever was,and knowing how the MS team with their history on OE
>was,I got rid of it A.S.A.P.
>Good to know that they fixed everything in Live Mail :-) (Sarcastically saying)

Thanks, I totally agree. It looks like MS gave WLM development to the
college interns and skipped any type of supervision.

--

Char Jackson

Clogwog

February 8th 11, 09:22 PM

"relic" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Clogwog" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "chrisv" > schreef in bericht
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Char Jackson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 01:22:32 -0500, "Peter Foldes" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Char Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Char
>>>>>
>>>>>Bettablue's post comes across perfectly here with none of the issues
>>>>>that you
>>>>>describe
>>>>
>>>> No offense intended, Peter, but I don't believe that. OE, as the
>>>> receiving client in this case, can't magically fix all of the issues
>>>> that WLM 15, as the sending client, created and spewed forth.
>>>
>>> OE6 with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess.
>>
>> OE6 = XP
>
> Or, W7 Pro and up with XP Mode emulator
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Thanks mate, but I run XP, Win 7 and (Ooops) Linux Ubuntu in my VMware
workstation, simultaneously, on my Vista machine most of the times.
*Maybe* the main reason M$ ****ed up WLM 2011 that bad, might be, to
discourage people to post on Usenet, in relation to their policy of closing
newsgroups and migrating users to Microsoft forums.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
Just a thought.

>
>
>
>>>
>>
>> WM (without "L"), Vista, with OE-Quotefix fixes WLM 15's mess too.
>> Seems possible to get WM in Windows 7, haven't tried it yet!
>> <aside>
>> You are the Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 chrisv, not the COLA "turd".
>> Well, I might *plonk* you anyway! ;-)
>> *PLONK*
>
>
>

iGeek

February 8th 11, 09:40 PM

Gday mate.

If the Win7 box in question has USB ports on the front, you could
download the AOL software via your own internet connection, copy it to a
flash drive and copy it from there to the chosen machine.

Then install AOL and try to connect using the dialup modem built into
the computer (or an external one if that is connected).

Should be able to solve your worries and gain you one happy user.

iGeek

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 8th 11, 10:12 PM

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 08:32:26 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:18:26 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>
>>> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
>>> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>>>
>>
>>Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
>>everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
>>So from my viewing, everything looks fine.
>
> Showing my ignorance here, but I didn't know Sun had their own version
> of Thunderbird, or that they had any kind of Mozilla project at all.
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118)
>
> What I find most odd, though, is that while you said bettablue's post
> came through properly formatted for you, when you replied to it the
> formatting got all messed up again, so the fixes were apparently only
> local to you and not preserved for follow-ups.

Or perhaps GreyCloud isn't sure what we're on about...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

relic[_3_]

February 8th 11, 11:24 PM

"Clogwog" > wrote in message
...
> *Maybe* the main reason M$ ****ed up WLM 2011 that bad, might be, to
> discourage people to post on Usenet, in relation to their policy of
> closing newsgroups and migrating users to Microsoft forums.
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
> Just a thought.

That could be a bit unfair. Microsoft would never be unfair.

There must be another reason.

Char Jackson

February 9th 11, 12:22 AM

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:12:19 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 08:32:26 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:18:26 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
>>>> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
>>>everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
>>>So from my viewing, everything looks fine.
>>
>> Showing my ignorance here, but I didn't know Sun had their own version
>> of Thunderbird, or that they had any kind of Mozilla project at all.
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118)
>>
>> What I find most odd, though, is that while you said bettablue's post
>> came through properly formatted for you, when you replied to it the
>> formatting got all messed up again, so the fixes were apparently only
>> local to you and not preserved for follow-ups.
>
>Or perhaps GreyCloud isn't sure what we're on about...

I strongly suspect that's the case. :-)

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 9th 11, 03:57 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:18:26 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
>>> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>>>
>> Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
>> everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
>> So from my viewing, everything looks fine.
>
> Showing my ignorance here, but I didn't know Sun had their own version
> of Thunderbird, or that they had any kind of Mozilla project at all.
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118)
>

Sun was always involved. They had to, otherwise their customers
wouldn't have
these programs at all. A few years ago, Sun had to fix a security
problem in their
Mozilla web browser and supplied a patch for it. There were a few
mentions about it
in the Unix newsgroups about it.

> What I find most odd, though, is that while you said bettablue's post
> came through properly formatted for you, when you replied to it the
> formatting got all messed up again, so the fixes were apparently only
> local to you and not preserved for follow-ups.
>

Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
correct for others viewing.
Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
the variations that it
should.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 9th 11, 04:22 AM

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:57:03 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

> Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:18:26 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>> Trust me, it most certainly doesn't, as evidenced by what you included
>>>> above. What part of that is well formatted? None of it, that's what.
>>>>
>>> Sun has always taken the source code from the Mozilla group and made sure
>>> everything is working correctly and if something doesn't ... they fix it.
>>> So from my viewing, everything looks fine.
>>
>> Showing my ignorance here, but I didn't know Sun had their own version
>> of Thunderbird, or that they had any kind of Mozilla project at all.
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118)
>>
>
> Sun was always involved. They had to, otherwise their customers
> wouldn't have
> these programs at all. A few years ago, Sun had to fix a security
> problem in their
> Mozilla web browser and supplied a patch for it. There were a few
> mentions about it
> in the Unix newsgroups about it.
>
>> What I find most odd, though, is that while you said bettablue's post
>> came through properly formatted for you, when you replied to it the
>> formatting got all messed up again, so the fixes were apparently only
>> local to you and not preserved for follow-ups.
>>
>
> Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
> correct for others viewing.
> Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
> the variations that it
> should.

Newsreaders don't "catch all the variations". They display text (outside
of binary groups).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Char Jackson

February 9th 11, 08:40 AM

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:22:26 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:57:03 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
>> correct for others viewing.
>> Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
>> the variations that it
>> should.
>
>Newsreaders don't "catch all the variations". They display text (outside
>of binary groups).

I'm not buying what he's selling... :-)

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 10th 11, 03:40 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:22:26 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:57:03 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
>>> correct for others viewing.
>>> Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
>>> the variations that it
>>> should.
>> Newsreaders don't "catch all the variations". They display text (outside
>> of binary groups).
>
> I'm not buying what he's selling... :-)
>
It really doesn't matter... otherwise, why would I say that I find the
post most readable?
But whether you believe it or not, sun did make sure that Mozilla (and
Thunderbird) conformed
to their requirments before selling their os package. Acutally, one
could've downloaded all of
the packages free, but then you also have to know how to install them
individually which isn't
an easy task. Much better to just buy the dvd set from Sun and let the
scripts do their job.
Which on this old box, no more Sun but Oracle. And I never did trust
Oracle. So I'm now trying
to read about all the gotchas of Win7 on this newsgroup and any other
place that may have news.
Not sure which brand of PC to purchase tho. My main concern is
reliability of the hardware.
This old sun is over 12 years old and still going strong, but no os
updates unless you pay a fortune.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 10th 11, 04:26 AM

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:40:59 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:22:26 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:57:03 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
>>>> correct for others viewing.
>>>> Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
>>>> the variations that it
>>>> should.
>>> Newsreaders don't "catch all the variations". They display text (outside
>>> of binary groups).
>>
>> I'm not buying what he's selling... :-)
>>
>It really doesn't matter... otherwise, why would I say that I find the
>post most readable?

First, my complaint was that bettablue's post was formatted extremely
poorly, mostly because of her choice of newsreader and her own lack of
desire to do better. Whether you found it readable or not wasn't
really the question.

Second, as for your question of why you would say you found her post
readable, my best guess is that you may not how a properly formatted
post should look. There are other possibilities, but none are very
flattering.

>But whether you believe it or not, sun did make sure that Mozilla (and
>Thunderbird) conformed
>to their requirments before selling their os package.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm fairly sure it has
nothing to do with this thread. If you seriously believe your special
customized-by-Sun version of Thunderbird was able to clean up a
malformatted WLM 15 post, then by all means take a screen capture and
post a link. I'd love to see it.

--

Char Jackson

Roy Smith[_6_]

February 10th 11, 04:54 AM

On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
> Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>
>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>
>>>
>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>
>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>> Russell
>>
>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>
>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>> replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>
>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>
>
> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.

Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
> combination. "Error 691".

(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.

*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
those out in the mail?

**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...

--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Portable Thunderbird 3.1.7
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:54:19 PM

Clogwog

February 10th 11, 06:53 PM

"relic" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Clogwog" > wrote in message
> ...
>> *Maybe* the main reason M$ ****ed up WLM 2011 that bad, might be, to
>> discourage people to post on Usenet, in relation to their policy of
>> closing newsgroups and migrating users to Microsoft forums.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>> Just a thought.
>
> That could be a bit unfair. Microsoft would never be unfair.
>
> There must be another reason.

< lol >

GreyCloud

February 11th 11, 03:07 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:40:59 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:22:26 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:57:03 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or, most likely, Thunderbird just passed on what it didn't need to
>>>>> correct for others viewing.
>>>>> Hard to say on that point... or that your newsreader doesn't catch all
>>>>> the variations that it
>>>>> should.
>>>> Newsreaders don't "catch all the variations". They display text (outside
>>>> of binary groups).
>>> I'm not buying what he's selling... :-)
>>>
>> It really doesn't matter... otherwise, why would I say that I find the
>> post most readable?
>
> First, my complaint was that bettablue's post was formatted extremely
> poorly, mostly because of her choice of newsreader and her own lack of
> desire to do better. Whether you found it readable or not wasn't
> really the question.
>
> Second, as for your question of why you would say you found her post
> readable, my best guess is that you may not how a properly formatted
> post should look. There are other possibilities, but none are very
> flattering.
>

heh... I've been around on usenet for a very long time. I'm quite sure
I know
what a properly formatted post looks like.
It is most likely incompatibilities between various versions of
microsoft newsreader
programs. You said that the blues post was not formatted properly. I
found it was
properly formatted on this newsreader. Can I help it if Microsoft can't
stay consistent?

>> But whether you believe it or not, sun did make sure that Mozilla (and
>> Thunderbird) conformed
>> to their requirments before selling their os package.
>
> I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm fairly sure it has
> nothing to do with this thread. If you seriously believe your special
> customized-by-Sun version of Thunderbird was able to clean up a
> malformatted WLM 15 post, then by all means take a screen capture and
> post a link. I'd love to see it.
>

Wished I could.
Sun doesn't make it easy to do, if at all. See why I'm looking for
another machine?

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

GreyCloud

February 11th 11, 03:12 AM

Roy Smith wrote:
> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>> t...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>
>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>
>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>> Russell
>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>> replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>
>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>
>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>
> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:
>
> [..Beginning of post...]
>
> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
> t...
>
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>> combination. "Error 691".
>
> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>
> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>
>
>
> *-*-*
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> Shikata ga nai...
>
>
> Bettablue Writes:
>
> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
> those out in the mail?
>
>
> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> [...End of post...]
>
> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...
>
>

All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 11th 11, 04:02 AM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Roy Smith wrote:
>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>> t...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>
>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>> Russell
>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>> replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>
>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>
>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>
>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:
>>
>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>
>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>> t...
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>
>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>
>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-*-*
>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>> Shikata ga nai...
>>
>>
>> Bettablue Writes:
>>
>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>> those out in the mail?
>>
>>
>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>> Russell
>>
>> [...End of post...]
>>
>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...
>>
>>
>
>All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
>his post or actual comments.
>According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>newsreader formatting is
>proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.

You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson

February 11th 11, 04:09 AM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>heh... I've been around on usenet for a very long time. I'm quite sure
>I know
>what a properly formatted post looks like.
>It is most likely incompatibilities between various versions of
>microsoft newsreader
>programs.

You don't have to guess at the problem since several of us have
already clearly pointed it out. The problem is WLM 15.

BTW, your newsreader seems to have a minor issue with line wrapping.

>You said that the blues post was not formatted properly. I
>found it was
>properly formatted on this newsreader.

It's a safe bet you didn't even see it, or at the very least you
didn't understand what you were seeing. It's easy to say there wasn't
a problem when your newsreader hid most of the problems, (along with
the entire new post!), from your view.

>Can I help it if Microsoft can't stay consistent?

No, but it's not helpful to deny the problem.

>See why I'm looking for another machine?

No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.

--

Char Jackson

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 11th 11, 10:01 PM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:09:23 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

>> I'm quite sure
>>I know
>>what a properly formatted post looks like.
>>It is most likely incompatibilities between various versions of
>>microsoft newsreader
>>programs.
>
> You don't have to guess at the problem since several of us have
> already clearly pointed it out. The problem is WLM 15.
>
> BTW, your newsreader seems to have a minor issue with line wrapping.

I think he presses return when he's at the end of what he thinks is a
line.

That plus his comments about WLM make an interesting juxtaposition with
his first sentence in the part I quoted above.

I really don't like to get into ad hominem, but on occasion it seems
unavoidable :-(

OT: I mistyped "hominem" as "hominen" above, and my spell checker
suggested "hominy". Should I have accepted it?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Char Jackson

February 11th 11, 10:29 PM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:09:23 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
>
>>> I'm quite sure
>>>I know
>>>what a properly formatted post looks like.
>>>It is most likely incompatibilities between various versions of
>>>microsoft newsreader
>>>programs.
>>
>> You don't have to guess at the problem since several of us have
>> already clearly pointed it out. The problem is WLM 15.
>>
>> BTW, your newsreader seems to have a minor issue with line wrapping.
>
>I think he presses return when he's at the end of what he thinks is a
>line.
>
>That plus his comments about WLM make an interesting juxtaposition with
>his first sentence in the part I quoted above.

Looking back, you might be right. It does look like there are hard
returns in there.

>I really don't like to get into ad hominem, but on occasion it seems
>unavoidable :-(
>
>OT: I mistyped "hominem" as "hominen" above, and my spell checker
>suggested "hominy". Should I have accepted it?

Well, hominy is used to make grits, and this is somewhat of a gritty
situation, so it's somewhat appropriate. :-)

--

Char Jackson

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 11th 11, 10:52 PM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:29:18 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

>>OT: I mistyped "hominem" as "hominen" above, and my spell checker
>>suggested "hominy". Should I have accepted it?
>
> Well, hominy is used to make grits, and this is somewhat of a gritty
> situation, so it's somewhat appropriate. :-)

LOL.

And thanks: to paraphrase what you said to Ken Blake, you too bring the
voice of reason to this gritty situation.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Char Jackson

February 11th 11, 11:56 PM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:29:18 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
>
>>>OT: I mistyped "hominem" as "hominen" above, and my spell checker
>>>suggested "hominy". Should I have accepted it?
>>
>> Well, hominy is used to make grits, and this is somewhat of a gritty
>> situation, so it's somewhat appropriate. :-)
>
>LOL.
>
>And thanks: to paraphrase what you said to Ken Blake, you too bring the
>voice of reason to this gritty situation.

Thanks, same to you. I have periods where I try to be helpful, but
then I slip back into being grouchy for a time. Some of y'all are much
more consistent than I am.

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 12th 11, 03:40 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> heh... I've been around on usenet for a very long time. I'm quite sure
>> I know
>> what a properly formatted post looks like.
>> It is most likely incompatibilities between various versions of
>> microsoft newsreader
>> programs.
>
> You don't have to guess at the problem since several of us have
> already clearly pointed it out. The problem is WLM 15.
>
> BTW, your newsreader seems to have a minor issue with line wrapping.
>

That is just me. A lot of times I hit the enter key, forgetting that I
don't need to do this.

>> You said that the blues post was not formatted properly. I
>> found it was
>> properly formatted on this newsreader.
>
> It's a safe bet you didn't even see it, or at the very least you
> didn't understand what you were seeing. It's easy to say there wasn't
> a problem when your newsreader hid most of the problems, (along with
> the entire new post!), from your view.
>
>> Can I help it if Microsoft can't stay consistent?
>

How can I deny that there is a problem that I cannot view or see on this
newsreader?

> No, but it's not helpful to deny the problem.
>
>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>
> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>
The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
buy a new PC each year for that cost.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

GreyCloud

February 12th 11, 03:43 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>> Russell
>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>> replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>
>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:
>>>
>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>
>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>
>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-*-*
>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>>> those out in the mail?
>>>
>>>
>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>
>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>> Russell
>>>
>>> [...End of post...]
>>>
>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...
>>>
>>>
>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
>> his post or actual comments.
>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>> newsreader formatting is
>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.
>
> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
> after all.
>
My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.
This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.
What more do you want?

It seems that maybe *your* newsreader isn't doing such a good job... eh?

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 12th 11, 05:29 AM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>
>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>
>The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>buy a new PC each year for that cost.

I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson

February 12th 11, 05:35 AM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:43:45 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
>>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:
>>>>
>>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>>
>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>> t...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>
>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-*-*
>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>
>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>> Russell
>>>>
>>>> [...End of post...]
>>>>
>>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
>>> his post or actual comments.
>>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>>> newsreader formatting is
>>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.
>>
>> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
>> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
>> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
>> after all.
>>
>My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
>everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

>This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
>the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 13th 11, 03:27 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>>
>> The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>> buy a new PC each year for that cost.
>
> I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?
>
Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
be vulnerable or useless.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 13th 11, 03:31 AM

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:27:29 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>>>
>>> The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>>> buy a new PC each year for that cost.
>>
>> I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?
>>
>Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
>be vulnerable or useless.

I suspect you're not the typical end user.

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 13th 11, 03:33 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:43:45 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
>>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
>>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
>>>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:
>>>>>
>>>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>> t...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *-*-*
>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
>>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>
>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>> Russell
>>>>>
>>>>> [...End of post...]
>>>>>
>>>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
>>>> his post or actual comments.
>>>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>>>> newsreader formatting is
>>>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.
>>> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
>>> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
>>> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
>>> after all.
>>>
>> My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
>> everything below and including it are grayed out.
>
> OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
> Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
> bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
> formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
> previous post's sig.
>
>> This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
>> the lines show up correctly here.
>
> Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
> been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
> entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
> why you missed it till now.
>
I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
changed to another color?
If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
that is either a bug,
or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Roy Smith[_6_]

February 13th 11, 11:24 AM

On 2/12/2011 9:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:43:45 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>>>>>>> number/username/password
>>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
>>>>>>>>> temporary
>>>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
>>>>>>>>> ~Bertrand
>>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>>>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
>>>>>> understand:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-*-*
>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>> still send
>>>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...End of post...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
>>>>>> comments...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
>>>>> not his post or actual comments.
>>>>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>>>>> newsreader formatting is
>>>>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
>>>>> commenting about.
>>>> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
>>>> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
>>>> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
>>>> after all.
>>>>
>>> My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
>>> everything below and including it are grayed out.
>>
>> OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
>> Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
>> bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
>> formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
>> previous post's sig.
>>
>>> This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
>>> the lines show up correctly here.
>>
>> Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
>> been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
>> entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
>> why you missed it till now.
>>
> I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
> Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
> If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
> Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
> changed to another color?
> If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
> that is either a bug,
> or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
that they will be in any big rush to fix it.

--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:23:34 AM

GreyCloud

February 16th 11, 03:13 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:27:29 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>>>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>>>>
>>>> The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>>>> buy a new PC each year for that cost.
>>> I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?
>>>
>> Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
>> be vulnerable or useless.
>
> I suspect you're not the typical end user.
>
Correct. 2 vax-4000s OpenVMS and 1 sun sparc.
HPs contracts are far too expensive and the support for hardware is gone.
The license fees for OpenVMS is still too prohibitive for an individual.
I've done mostly DOD programming since 1967 till 1993.
In the early days it was IBM and fortran IV with punch cards, then
Univacs, a couple of
custom military computers, then Sperry Rand using Ultrix, then VAX with
VMS along with
Sun workstations. It paid the bills.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

GreyCloud

February 16th 11, 03:15 AM

Roy Smith wrote:
> On 2/12/2011 9:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:43:45 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>>>>>>>> number/username/password
>>>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
>>>>>>>>>> temporary
>>>>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
>>>>>>>>>> ~Bertrand
>>>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
>>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>>>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>>>>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
>>>>>>> understand:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *-*-*
>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>> still send
>>>>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...End of post...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
>>>>>>> comments...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
>>>>>> not his post or actual comments.
>>>>>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>>>>>> newsreader formatting is
>>>>>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
>>>>>> commenting about.
>>>>> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
>>>>> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
>>>>> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
>>>>> after all.
>>>>>
>>>> My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
>>>> everything below and including it are grayed out.
>>>
>>> OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
>>> Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
>>> bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
>>> formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
>>> previous post's sig.
>>>
>>>> This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
>>>> the lines show up correctly here.
>>>
>>> Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
>>> been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
>>> entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
>>> why you missed it till now.
>>>
>> I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
>> Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
>> If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
>> Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
>> changed to another color?
>> If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
>> that is either a bug,
>> or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.
>
> The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
> signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
> beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
> versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
> that they will be in any big rush to fix it.
>
>

That is usually a sign from a company that they aren't interested in it
anymore
and going to something else. I've seen that happen before in the past.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 16th 11, 04:16 AM

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:13:37 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:27:29 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>>>>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>>>>> buy a new PC each year for that cost.
>>>> I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?
>>>>
>>> Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
>>> be vulnerable or useless.
>>
>> I suspect you're not the typical end user.
>>
>Correct. 2 vax-4000s OpenVMS and 1 sun sparc.
>HPs contracts are far too expensive and the support for hardware is gone.
>The license fees for OpenVMS is still too prohibitive for an individual.
>I've done mostly DOD programming since 1967 till 1993.
>In the early days it was IBM and fortran IV with punch cards, then
>Univacs, a couple of
>custom military computers, then Sperry Rand using Ultrix, then VAX with
>VMS along with
>Sun workstations. It paid the bills.

Fine, but none of that addressed the question of why you're paying a
support contract. Am I supposed to assume you bought a bunch of
military surplus equipment and felt you had to buy a support contract
to go with it? So far it's not making any sense.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson

February 16th 11, 04:19 AM

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:11 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>Roy Smith wrote:
>> On 2/12/2011 9:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:43:45 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:12:40 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>>>>>>>>> number/username/password
>>>>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>>>>>> still send those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
>>>>>>>>>>> temporary
>>>>>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
>>>>>>>>>>> ~Bertrand
>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>>>> In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>> to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
>>>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
>>>>>>>>>> replied.
>>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
>>>>>>>>>> Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
>>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
>>>>>>>> Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
>>>>>>>> newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
>>>>>>>> understand:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [..Beginning of post...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Stan Brown" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> t...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
>>>>>>>>> However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
>>>>>>>>> But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
>>>>>>>>> connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
>>>>>>>>> combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>>> (Please set a reasonable line length.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
>>>>>>>> over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
>>>>>>>> download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *-*-*
>>>>>>>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>>>>>>>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>>>>>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bettablue Writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
>>>>>>>> still send
>>>>>>>> those out in the mail?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
>>>>>>>> Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>>>>>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...End of post...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
>>>>>>>> comments...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
>>>>>>> not his post or actual comments.
>>>>>>> According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
>>>>>>> newsreader formatting is
>>>>>>> proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
>>>>>>> commenting about.
>>>>>> You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
>>>>>> entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
>>>>>> previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
>>>>> everything below and including it are grayed out.
>>>>
>>>> OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
>>>> Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
>>>> bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
>>>> formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
>>>> previous post's sig.
>>>>
>>>>> This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
>>>>> the lines show up correctly here.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
>>>> been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
>>>> entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
>>>> why you missed it till now.
>>>>
>>> I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
>>> Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
>>> If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
>>> Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
>>> changed to another color?
>>> If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
>>> that is either a bug,
>>> or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.
>>
>> The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
>> signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
>> beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
>> versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
>> that they will be in any big rush to fix it.
>>
>>
>
>That is usually a sign from a company that they aren't interested in it
>anymore
>and going to something else. I've seen that happen before in the past.

It's common knowledge and has been mentioned here many times that
Microsoft has chosen to move away from Usenet newsgroups and toward
web forums. Their reasons are their own, but what they're doing is no
mystery.

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 17th 11, 03:18 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:13:37 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:27:29 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:36 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:07:02 -0700, GreyCloud >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See why I'm looking for another machine?
>>>>>>> No, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Good luck in your search.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
>>>>>> buy a new PC each year for that cost.
>>>>> I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?
>>>>>
>>>> Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
>>>> be vulnerable or useless.
>>> I suspect you're not the typical end user.
>>>
>> Correct. 2 vax-4000s OpenVMS and 1 sun sparc.
>> HPs contracts are far too expensive and the support for hardware is gone.
>> The license fees for OpenVMS is still too prohibitive for an individual.
>> I've done mostly DOD programming since 1967 till 1993.
>> In the early days it was IBM and fortran IV with punch cards, then
>> Univacs, a couple of
>> custom military computers, then Sperry Rand using Ultrix, then VAX with
>> VMS along with
>> Sun workstations. It paid the bills.
>
> Fine, but none of that addressed the question of why you're paying a
> support contract.

I was paying for one for hardware maintenance and software maintenance
of the o/s.
A ma and pa PC shop won't be able to fix or replace a motherboard. The
compilers
need support for bug fixes. And the cost is going up. Now that I have
retired, I still
use the machines but don't need the support contracts anymore. Besides,
the work
to be done on these machines has gone down fast in the last few years.

> Am I supposed to assume you bought a bunch of
> military surplus equipment and felt you had to buy a support contract
> to go with it? So far it's not making any sense.
>
No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
o/s bug fixes,
you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
support, eventually
the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
I have are getting
long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
less costly.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Char Jackson

February 17th 11, 03:53 AM

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:38 -0700, GreyCloud >
wrote:

>No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
>o/s bug fixes,
>you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
>support, eventually
>the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
>I have are getting
>long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
>less costly.

Thanks for indulging my questions. Since the answers don't make much
sense and I'm not any closer to understanding your situation, not to
mention the fact that your hard line returns give me vertigo, I'm
afraid I have to bow out. Good luck to you and welcome to the group.

--

Char Jackson

GreyCloud

February 18th 11, 03:08 AM

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:38 -0700, GreyCloud >
> wrote:
>
>> No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
>> o/s bug fixes,
>> you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
>> support, eventually
>> the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
>> I have are getting
>> long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
>> less costly.
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. Since the answers don't make much
> sense and I'm not any closer to understanding your situation, not to
> mention the fact that your hard line returns give me vertigo, I'm
> afraid I have to bow out. Good luck to you and welcome to the group.
>

Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.

As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.

I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
information that are here. And thank you.
:-)

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 18th 11, 06:23 PM

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:08:32 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

> Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:38 -0700, GreyCloud >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
>>> o/s bug fixes,
>>> you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
>>> support, eventually
>>> the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
>>> I have are getting
>>> long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
>>> less costly.
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. Since the answers don't make much
>> sense and I'm not any closer to understanding your situation, not to
>> mention the fact that your hard line returns give me vertigo, I'm
>> afraid I have to bow out. Good luck to you and welcome to the group.
>>
>
> Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
> support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
> software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
> Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.
>
> As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
> anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
> keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.
>
> I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
> information that are here. And thank you.
> :-)

Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

GreyCloud

February 20th 11, 06:18 AM

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>
>> Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
>> support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
>> software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
>> Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.
>>
>> As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
>> anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
>> keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.
>>
>> I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
>> information that are here. And thank you.
>> :-)
>
> Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
> difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it :-)
>

It is an old fortran coding habit ... always had to be careful of column
72, so I was always sensitive to overflowing the field. This habit
lasted since 1968, and a hard one to break. (still got the urge to hit
the return key)

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"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Alexios

February 20th 11, 03:09 PM

> "XS11E" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>> "relic" > wrote:
>>
>>> If you read multiple groups, you'll see chrisv posts in almost any
>>> froup you choose.
>>
>> Nope, sorry,
>>
> Fsck you arsehole troll!
> *plonk*

Be nice kids :'(

Alex Karras

February 20th 11, 03:11 PM

> On 02/06/2011 12:21 PM, Clogwog wrote:
>> "Alias" > schreef in bericht
>> ...
>>> On 02/06/2011 11:59 AM, Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
>>>> "Alias" > schreef in bericht
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 02/05/2011 11:43 PM, BobbyZ wrote:
>>>>>> I'm attempting to help an elderly user in a *very* remote location.
>>>>>> They recently lost the use of their old XP machine, and bought a W7
>>>>>> machine with insurance money to replace it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They use AOL dialup (I know, "Ugh", but it really is their only
>>>>>> choice right now). So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on
>>>>>> the W7 machine. However, they need to connect in order to download
>>>>>> the software. But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7
>>>>>> dialup connection will not support the AOL access
>>>>>> number/username/password combination. "Error 691".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, they need to get the software, but must be connected to get it.
>>>>>> And in order to connect, they need the software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any helpful suggestions? And by "helpful", I mean "any suggestion
>>>>>> that is not a flame against AOL or dialup in general". I already
>>>>>> understand that argument, and agree wholeheartedly. But for right
>>>>>> now, for these particular folks, AOL is their *only* choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------= Posted using GrabIt =----------------
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>>>>>> -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =-
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they don't mind making a long distance call to Europe to download
>>>>> AOL, I can give you a free dial up number that requires no user name
>>>>> or password.
>>>>
>>>> Shyte advice, Linux made you stupid, eh!
>>>
>>> Um, it would work so you're the one who's stupid, as usual.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> HTH & GFIA
>>>
>>> Kiss my ass.
>>>
>> No thank you, because yer asshole is so reamed out, that it must have
>> room for a 20-lb. CO2 tank!
>> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/gas-tank-web.jpg
>
> So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?

such manners :-@

chrisv

February 20th 11, 06:36 PM

"Alexios" > wrote in message
...
>> "XS11E" > schreef in bericht
>> ...
>>> "relic" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you read multiple groups, you'll see chrisv posts in almost any
>>>> froup you choose.
>>>
>>> Nope, sorry,
>>>
>> Fsck you arsehole troll!
>> *plonk*
>
> Be nice kids :'(

*plonk*

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]

February 21st 11, 11:16 PM

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:18:15 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>>
>>> Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
>>> support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
>>> software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
>>> Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.
>>>
>>> As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
>>> anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
>>> keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.
>>>
>>> I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
>>> information that are here. And thank you.
>>> :-)
>>
>> Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
>> difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it :-)
>>
>
> It is an old fortran coding habit ... always had to be careful of column
> 72, so I was always sensitive to overflowing the field. This habit
> lasted since 1968, and a hard one to break. (still got the urge to hit
> the return key)

Well, if you're going to do that, then you are *required* to put a
sequence number in columns 73-80 of every line in all of your posts.

(I can't believe I said that!).

12HBye for now.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

GreyCloud

February 22nd 11, 09:32 PM

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:18:15 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>> Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
>>>> support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
>>>> software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
>>>> Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.
>>>>
>>>> As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
>>>> anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
>>>> keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
>>>> information that are here. And thank you.
>>>> :-)
>>> Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
>>> difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it :-)
>>>
>> It is an old fortran coding habit ... always had to be careful of column
>> 72, so I was always sensitive to overflowing the field. This habit
>> lasted since 1968, and a hard one to break. (still got the urge to hit
>> the return key)
>
> Well, if you're going to do that, then you are *required* to put a
> sequence number in columns 73-80 of every line in all of your posts.
>
> (I can't believe I said that!).
>
> 12HBye for now.
>
LOL!!

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).