Where can I buy a legit/valid Windows 7 key?

[Ant[_2_]]

Hello.

I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
borrowed DVD?

Thank you in advance. :)
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[R. C. White]

Hi, Ant.

Disks are cheap. Licenses and Product Keys are expensive. (What is Win7
UE?)

Yes, you need to buy the retail package - either the full or the update
version.
You might want to start here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home

or:
http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=windows+7&FORM=HURE

Also, check out activation requirements at:
Get a new Windows 7 product key
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Get-a-new-Windows-7-product-key

Good luck!

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"Ant" wrote in message
m...

Hello.

I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
borrowed DVD?

Thank you in advance. :)

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Ant wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> borrowed DVD?
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
validate your current install.

[KernelDebugger]

"VanguardLH" > wrote in message
...
> Ant wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>> borrowed DVD?
>>
>> Thank you in advance. :)
>
> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
> validate your current install.

Will an OEM product code work to activate Win 7 Ultimate Edition?

[choro]

On 10/02/2011 22:39, R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, Ant.
>
> Disks are cheap. Licenses and Product Keys are expensive. (What is Win7
> UE?)
>
> Yes, you need to buy the retail package - either the full or the update
> version.
> You might want to start here:
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home
>
> or:
> http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=windows+7&FORM=HURE
>
> Also, check out activation requirements at:
> Get a new Windows 7 product key
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Get-a-new-Windows-7-product-key
>
> Good luck!
>
> RC

Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
on it than buying the retail version of Win7.

Why this should be so beats me! I call this "fleecing" innocent
individuals! And forget that if you buy the retail version you can then
uninstall it and re-install it on a new computer. By the time you might
want to take advantage of this transferability, you will want to buy a
new OS anyway. Even OEM versions of the Windows OS come at an exorbitant
price.

It usually works out much cheaper to but a branded computer with the OS
already installed on it.

Unfortunately I am one of the suckers who take pride in building my own
desktops and hence being fleeced but at least I buy the OEM version
which, though still very expensive, much cheaper than the retail version.

I wonder whether MS will make a note of this fair complaint or just
laugh it off?!
--
choro
*****

[choro]

On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>> borrowed DVD?
>>
>> Thank you in advance. :)
>
> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
> validate your current install.

You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by yourself
from components, though MS will probably not raise an objection to
someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a brand computer just
to buy the right to use the OS. You are not supposed to buy a WinXP PC
and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy the Retail or the Upgrade
version of Win7.
--
choro
*****

[choro]

On 11/02/2011 01:10, KernelDebugger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ant wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>>> borrowed DVD?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>
>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>> validate your current install.
>
> Will an OEM product code work to activate Win 7 Ultimate Edition?


IF it is a Retail or an Upgrade version, I don't see why not. But not if
it is an OEM version, as far as I can tell. MS like to screw you better
with the Retail or the Upgrade version's stinging prices.,
--
choro
*****

[FooAtari[_2_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro wrote:

> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
>
> Why this should be so beats me! I call this "fleecing" innocent
> individuals! And forget that if you buy the retail version you can then
> uninstall it and re-install it on a new computer. By the time you might
> want to take advantage of this transferability, you will want to buy a
> new OS anyway. Even OEM versions of the Windows OS come at an exorbitant
> price.
>
> It usually works out much cheaper to but a branded computer with the OS
> already installed on it.
>
> Unfortunately I am one of the suckers who take pride in building my own
> desktops and hence being fleeced but at least I buy the OEM version
> which, though still very expensive, much cheaper than the retail
> version.
>
> I wonder whether MS will make a note of this fair complaint or just
> laugh it off?!

While the ultimate edition of Windows 7 isn't cheap, even when buying OEM
there is no chance you would get a new desktop/laptop for the same price.
At least not here in UK. You would need to spend roughly twice the cost
of Win 7 to get a new machine with it installed.



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[VanguardLH[_2_]]

choro wrote:

> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>>> borrowed DVD?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>
>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>> validate your current install.
>
> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by yourself
> from components, though MS will probably not raise an objection to
> someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a brand computer just
> to buy the right to use the OS. You are not supposed to buy a WinXP PC
> and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy the Retail or the Upgrade
> version of Win7.

System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
subcontracting other services from other parties.

[choro]

On 11/02/2011 09:24, FooAtari wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro wrote:
>
>> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
>> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
>>
>> Why this should be so beats me! I call this "fleecing" innocent
>> individuals! And forget that if you buy the retail version you can then
>> uninstall it and re-install it on a new computer. By the time you might
>> want to take advantage of this transferability, you will want to buy a
>> new OS anyway. Even OEM versions of the Windows OS come at an exorbitant
>> price.
>>
>> It usually works out much cheaper to but a branded computer with the OS
>> already installed on it.
>>
>> Unfortunately I am one of the suckers who take pride in building my own
>> desktops and hence being fleeced but at least I buy the OEM version
>> which, though still very expensive, much cheaper than the retail
>> version.
>>
>> I wonder whether MS will make a note of this fair complaint or just
>> laugh it off?!
>
> While the ultimate edition of Windows 7 isn't cheap, even when buying OEM
> there is no chance you would get a new desktop/laptop for the same price.
> At least not here in UK. You would need to spend roughly twice the cost
> of Win 7 to get a new machine with it installed.

But that way you at least get a brand new machine with from 1 to 3
years' warranty should anything go wrong. If you buy just the OS, you
have not such guarantees and you might even end up with your computer
not being fully compatible with the new OS.
--
choro
*****

[choro]

On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
> choro wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>>>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>>>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>>>> borrowed DVD?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>
>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>> validate your current install.
>>
>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by yourself
>> from components, though MS will probably not raise an objection to
>> someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a brand computer just
>> to buy the right to use the OS. You are not supposed to buy a WinXP PC
>> and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy the Retail or the Upgrade
>> version of Win7.
>
> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
> the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
> subcontracting other services from other parties.

OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this may
be only some sort of legal technicality.

But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying
1 copy of the OS?

There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
and admit it!
--
choro
*****

[Peter Taylor[_4_]]

On 02/11/2011 10:59 AM, choro wrote:
> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>> choro wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>>>>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or
>>>>> do I
>>>>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it
>>>>> from a
>>>>> borrowed DVD?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>
>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>> validate your current install.
>>>
>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by yourself
>>> from components, though MS will probably not raise an objection to
>>> someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a brand computer just
>>> to buy the right to use the OS. You are not supposed to buy a WinXP PC
>>> and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy the Retail or the Upgrade
>>> version of Win7.
>>
>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
>> the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
>> subcontracting other services from other parties.
>
> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this may
> be only some sort of legal technicality.
>
> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying
> 1 copy of the OS?
>
> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
> and admit it!
> --
> choro
> *****

Wal-Mart gets a better deal due to buying in bulk than a mom and pop
store. The same holds true for Dell, HP, Acer, etc.

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[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro > wrote:


> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.


I just checked on Amazon.com A retail Upgrade version of Windows 7
Home Premium is $109.99 US. And since the retail upgrade is exactly
the same as the Full version, and anybody who owns Windows XP or Vista
can use the Upgrade version, $109.99 is all you have to pay.

Where can you buy "a brand new computer with Win7 already on it" for
less than $109.99?

And even if you wanted to buy the Full retail version of Windows 7
Home Premium (which I don't recommend) it's only $179.99 at
Amazon.com. Where can you buy "a brand new computer with Win7 already
on it" for less than $179.99?

Although buying "a brand new computer with Win7 already on it" might
be a good deal, it's certainly not less expensive than buying just
Windows 7. And bear in mind that you would get an OEM version of
Windows 7, with a license that ties it permanently to the first
computer it's installed on. It can never legally be moved to another
computer, sold, or given away (except with the original computer). If
the computer dies or is stolen, your license dies with it.

[Winston[_2_]]

"Ant" > wrote in message
m...
> Hello.
>
> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> borrowed DVD?
>
> Thank you in advance. :)


http://www.windows7key.co.uk/index.asp

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:36:54 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
> wrote:

> In message >
> Char Jackson > wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
> > > wrote:
>
> >>In message >
> >> Ken Blake > wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
> >>>> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I just checked on Amazon.com A retail Upgrade version of Windows 7
> >>> Home Premium is $109.99 US. And since the retail upgrade is exactly
> >>> the same as the Full version, and anybody who owns Windows XP or Vista
> >>> can use the Upgrade version, $109.99 is all you have to pay.
> >>
> >>Isn't Home still crippled to single core use? Single processor?
>
> > Still? Was it ever crippled in such a way? That's news to me.
>
> Yes, it certainly was, as was XP and Vista.


Not correct. XP Home and Vista Home would use only a single processor
if you had more than one installed. But both would use a multi-core
CPU without a problem.

And Windows 7 Home Premium can use two CPUs.


> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.


Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.

[Bob I]

On 2/11/2011 12:36, Lewis wrote:
> In >
> Char > wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> > wrote:
>
>>> In >
>>> Ken > wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
>>>>> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just checked on Amazon.com A retail Upgrade version of Windows 7
>>>> Home Premium is $109.99 US. And since the retail upgrade is exactly
>>>> the same as the Full version, and anybody who owns Windows XP or Vista
>>>> can use the Upgrade version, $109.99 is all you have to pay.
>>>
>>> Isn't Home still crippled to single core use? Single processor?
>
>> Still? Was it ever crippled in such a way? That's news to me.
>
> Yes, it certainly was, as was XP and Vista.
>
> <http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4092430>
>
> and
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart>
>
> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>

CPU <> Core

As was said Windows has NEVER been limited to a "single core" in a
Multi-core CPU.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

choro wrote:

> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>> choro wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>>>>> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>>>>> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>>>>> borrowed DVD?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>
>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>> validate your current install.
>>>
>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by yourself
>>> from components, though MS will probably not raise an objection to
>>> someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a brand computer just
>>> to buy the right to use the OS. You are not supposed to buy a WinXP PC
>>> and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy the Retail or the Upgrade
>>> version of Win7.
>>
>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
>> the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
>> subcontracting other services from other parties.
>
> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this may
> be only some sort of legal technicality.
>
> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying
> 1 copy of the OS?
>
> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
> and admit it!

Now you're confusing the seat count for licenses. It has been long
traditional that volume licensing is far cheaper than single seats.

Yes, I know about the hardware requirement for OEM versions but the
System Builder license doesn't have that requirement. OEM licensing
died with Windows XP. System Builder licensing started with Vista.

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/licensing/licensingprograms/systembuilderlicense

"A system builder is anyone who assembles, reassembles, or installs
software on a new or used computer system."

Remember that a used computer qualifies as hardware for even the old OEM
licensing scheme. In fact, many companies hang on to old hosts for
replacement parts, and replacement can be the whole system case and its
contents. You think anyone has to remove a component from and old host
and then replace it back into that old host to show that some hardware
got involved with the OEM license?

[Char Jackson]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:39:14 -0700, Ken Blake >
wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:36:54 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
> wrote:
>
>> In message >
>> Char Jackson > wrote:
>> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >>In message >
>> >> Ken Blake > wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
>> >>>> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I just checked on Amazon.com A retail Upgrade version of Windows 7
>> >>> Home Premium is $109.99 US. And since the retail upgrade is exactly
>> >>> the same as the Full version, and anybody who owns Windows XP or Vista
>> >>> can use the Upgrade version, $109.99 is all you have to pay.
>> >>
>> >>Isn't Home still crippled to single core use? Single processor?
>>
>> > Still? Was it ever crippled in such a way? That's news to me.
>>
>> Yes, it certainly was, as was XP and Vista.
>
>
>Not correct. XP Home and Vista Home would use only a single processor
>if you had more than one installed. But both would use a multi-core
>CPU without a problem.
>
>And Windows 7 Home Premium can use two CPUs.
>
>
>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>
>
>Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
>number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.

Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.

--

Char Jackson

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:10:53 -0600, Char Jackson >
wrote:


> >Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
> >number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
>
> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.


You are welcome. And thank *you* for the kind words.

[Alex Clayton[_3_]]

"choro" > wrote in message
...
>
> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version, the
> upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you think MS
> charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying 1 copy of
> the OS?
>
> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is and
> admit it!
> --
> choro
> *****

So we need a new law? What?
I can go buy single roll of TP at one price, but if I want to buy a boxcar
load the price will be a fraction per roll. So did I get fleeced because I
chose to buy one roll? Want the same price Dell pays? Offer to buy as many
licenses as they do and you will get their price. I buy my steak at a joint
that serves small stores and restaurants. Buy Top Sirloin for about half
what it runs in the store, but I have to buy a whole butt, around 20 pounds
to get that deal. Bring it home, cut it up into what I want for steaks,
roast and hamburger. Now should I go tell the store that they are screwing
me if they will not sell me one steak for $2.40 a pound?
--
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[Alex Clayton[_3_]]

"Ant" > wrote in message
m...
> Hello.
>
> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> borrowed DVD?
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
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I went through a long drawn out deal with Acer a while back where a new
laptops license for Win7 was no longer valid. Microsoft had a site to get
valid. I paid them online, about $110.00 IIRC, and they validated the
license on line right then, and then sent me a Disc for it in case I ever
have to re do it. I suspect that if you go on line with the one you have
they will tell you it is not valid then offer the same. Might be a little
more for Ultimate if that is what you mean by UE, mine is the Home Premium.
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[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:23:48 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:

> I buy my steak at a joint that serves small stores and restaurants.
> Buy Top Sirloin for about half what it runs in the store, but I have
> to buy a whole butt, around 20 pounds to get that deal. Bring it
> home, cut it up into what I want for steaks, roast and hamburger.

I'll take my Windows 7 medium rare, please.

I can't resist a pun, sorry. No, not actually sorry :-)

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[ray]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:

> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>> choro wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it.
>>>>> I like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or
>>>>> do I have to buy the whole package even though I already installed
>>>>> it from a borrowed DVD?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>
>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>> validate your current install.
>>>
>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by
>>> yourself from components, though MS will probably not raise an
>>> objection to someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a
>>> brand computer just to buy the right to use the OS. You are not
>>> supposed to buy a WinXP PC and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy
>>> the Retail or the Upgrade version of Win7.
>>
>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
>> the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
>> subcontracting other services from other parties.
>
> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this may
> be only some sort of legal technicality.
>
> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying
> 1 copy of the OS?
>
> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
> and admit it!

If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
options ;)

[Char Jackson]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:35:14 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:23:48 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
>
>> I buy my steak at a joint that serves small stores and restaurants.
>> Buy Top Sirloin for about half what it runs in the store, but I have
>> to buy a whole butt, around 20 pounds to get that deal. Bring it
>> home, cut it up into what I want for steaks, roast and hamburger.
>
>I'll take my Windows 7 medium rare, please.
>
>I can't resist a pun, sorry. No, not actually sorry :-)

You and your puns. :-) I tried to think of something I could add, but
nearly ended up with a case of trichotillomania, so I mellowed out
with some omphaloskepsis. Ahh, much better.

--

Char Jackson

[GreyCloud]

Lewis wrote:
> In message >
> Char Jackson > wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> > wrote:
>
>>> In message >
>>> Ken Blake > wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:25:15 +0000, choro > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
>>>>> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.
>>>
>>>> I just checked on Amazon.com A retail Upgrade version of Windows 7
>>>> Home Premium is $109.99 US. And since the retail upgrade is exactly
>>>> the same as the Full version, and anybody who owns Windows XP or Vista
>>>> can use the Upgrade version, $109.99 is all you have to pay.
>>> Isn't Home still crippled to single core use? Single processor?
>
>> Still? Was it ever crippled in such a way? That's news to me.
>
> Yes, it certainly was, as was XP and Vista.
>
> <http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4092430>
>
> and
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart>
>
> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>
That means one cpu socket... which could be a 6 core cpu chip.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

[choro]

I have nothing to say about volume licences and hence discounted prices
BUT the discounts must be realistic. OR RATHER the small volume price
must be set at a realistic rather than an inflated level which is what
happens in real life.

I remember seeing car tyres at 70% discount. Now who on earth is
supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
regularly give 70% discounts to individual customers?

And if others don't or can't follow the logic of my line of thinking, I
certainly have no desire to carry on this discussion with them as I
believe they are brainwashed into buying everything they are fooled to
believe.

Price lists and suggested prices are a complete fake designed to enable
the big boys to give "discounts" to other big boys down the line. And I
can certainly vouch for this as I am in a position to know. I was
involved in these matters for a quarter of a century!

The proprietors of "corner shops" as they are called in the UK and their
customers are the ones who get screwed right and proper!

The market out there is a right proper jungle! But not only that it is
also a MANIPULATED JUNGLE!
--
choro
*****

On 11/02/2011 22:23, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "choro" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
>> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
>> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual
>> buying 1 copy of the OS?
>>
>> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
>> and admit it!
>> --
>> choro
>> *****
>
> So we need a new law? What?
> I can go buy single roll of TP at one price, but if I want to buy a
> boxcar load the price will be a fraction per roll. So did I get fleeced
> because I chose to buy one roll? Want the same price Dell pays? Offer to
> buy as many licenses as they do and you will get their price. I buy my
> steak at a joint that serves small stores and restaurants. Buy Top
> Sirloin for about half what it runs in the store, but I have to buy a
> whole butt, around 20 pounds to get that deal. Bring it home, cut it up
> into what I want for steaks, roast and hamburger. Now should I go tell
> the store that they are screwing me if they will not sell me one steak
> for $2.40 a pound?

[choro]

On 11/02/2011 23:13, ray wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> choro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it.
>>>>>> I like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or
>>>>>> do I have to buy the whole package even though I already installed
>>>>>> it from a borrowed DVD?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>>> validate your current install.
>>>>
>>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by
>>>> yourself from components, though MS will probably not raise an
>>>> objection to someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a
>>>> brand computer just to buy the right to use the OS. You are not
>>>> supposed to buy a WinXP PC and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy
>>>> the Retail or the Upgrade version of Win7.
>>>
>>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you as
>>> the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you from
>>> subcontracting other services from other parties.
>>
>> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
>> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this may
>> be only some sort of legal technicality.
>>
>> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
>> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
>> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual buying
>> 1 copy of the OS?
>>
>> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
>> and admit it!
>
> If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
> options ;)

But being a critic of such pricing policies is also my right!
--
choro
*****

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

choro wrote:

> I have nothing to say about volume licences and hence discounted prices
> BUT the discounts must be realistic. OR RATHER the small volume price
> must be set at a realistic rather than an inflated level which is what
> happens in real life.
>
> I remember seeing car tyres at 70% discount. Now who on earth is
> supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
> regularly give 70% discounts to individual customers?

Apparently you have never heard of or seen rebates. Now who on earth is
supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
regularly give the rebated price to individual customers? Only some
make use of the rebates. The price for the software is the major source
of revenue to Microsoft, anyway. You think end users are typically
buying volume licenses? Yeah, right. It's corporations that buy volume
licenses - AND corporations buy support contracts or buy lots of trouble
tickets. The revenue generated from support of the product far
outstrips the revenue generated from the product alone.

Considering that Microsoft, IBM, and other major software houses have
managed to survive for decades will providing reduced costs for voluming
licensing disproves any claims you make regarding marketing knowledge.
It has been working for a long time.

It's apparent you haven't been involved in operating a business or even
working for a large corporation long enough to burst the bubble of
experiencing your company outside the bubble for your limited tasks to
understand its sales and marketing schemes. I've never been in Sales or
Marketing but companies doing volume licensing or discounts to volume
purchases have existed for so long and I don't limit my view to just my
select tasks to perform just my job that it's almost impossible for
anyone that has been working for even 5 years to not understand how all
that works.

[choro]

On 12/02/2011 13:36, VanguardLH wrote:
> choro wrote:
>
>> I have nothing to say about volume licences and hence discounted prices
>> BUT the discounts must be realistic. OR RATHER the small volume price
>> must be set at a realistic rather than an inflated level which is what
>> happens in real life.
>>
>> I remember seeing car tyres at 70% discount. Now who on earth is
>> supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
>> regularly give 70% discounts to individual customers?
>
> Apparently you have never heard of or seen rebates. Now who on earth is
> supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
> regularly give the rebated price to individual customers? Only some
> make use of the rebates. The price for the software is the major source
> of revenue to Microsoft, anyway. You think end users are typically
> buying volume licenses? Yeah, right. It's corporations that buy volume
> licenses - AND corporations buy support contracts or buy lots of trouble
> tickets. The revenue generated from support of the product far
> outstrips the revenue generated from the product alone.
>
> Considering that Microsoft, IBM, and other major software houses have
> managed to survive for decades will providing reduced costs for voluming
> licensing disproves any claims you make regarding marketing knowledge.
> It has been working for a long time.
>
> It's apparent you haven't been involved in operating a business or even
> working for a large corporation long enough to burst the bubble of
> experiencing your company outside the bubble for your limited tasks to
> understand its sales and marketing schemes. I've never been in Sales or
> Marketing but companies doing volume licensing or discounts to volume
> purchases have existed for so long and I don't limit my view to just my
> select tasks to perform just my job that it's almost impossible for
> anyone that has been working for even 5 years to not understand how all
> that works.

Look, I know what I am talking about and I understand the need for
rebates etc. I have got nothing against that. What I am objecting to is
the very fact that normal prices are artificially set very high in the
first place so that artificially high rebates can be given.

If you haven't yet grasped this point, then you haven't understood
marketing. It is natural for volume buyers to get rebates which the
manufacturer can actually afford to give because they are saving in
overheads by selling in volume. But the rebates are far, far higher that
the savings achieved by volume selling.

You talk like someone indoctrinated! Someone parroting!
--
choro
*****

[ray]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:27:28 +0000, choro wrote:

> On 11/02/2011 23:13, ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> choro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated
>>>>>>> it. I like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy
>>>>>>> one or do I have to buy the whole package even though I already
>>>>>>> installed it from a borrowed DVD?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>>>> validate your current install.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by
>>>>> yourself from components, though MS will probably not raise an
>>>>> objection to someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a
>>>>> brand computer just to buy the right to use the OS. You are not
>>>>> supposed to buy a WinXP PC and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy
>>>>> the Retail or the Upgrade version of Win7.
>>>>
>>>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>>>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you
>>>> as the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you
>>>> from subcontracting other services from other parties.
>>>
>>> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
>>> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this
>>> may be only some sort of legal technicality.
>>>
>>> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
>>> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
>>> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual
>>> buying 1 copy of the OS?
>>>
>>> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
>>> and admit it!
>>
>> If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
>> options ;)
>
> But being a critic of such pricing policies is also my right!

Sure - your choice: bitch about it or vote with your feet.

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:49:20 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

> trichotillomania

Unfair! It's not in my dictionary :-(

Of course, Google knows all :-)

--
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[Char Jackson]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:27:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:49:20 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> trichotillomania
>
>Unfair! It's not in my dictionary :-(
>
>Of course, Google knows all :-)

:-)

--

Char Jackson

[choro]

On 12/02/2011 15:07, ray wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:27:28 +0000, choro wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/2011 23:13, ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>> choro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/02/2011 23:08, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated
>>>>>>>> it. I like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy
>>>>>>>> one or do I have to buy the whole package even though I already
>>>>>>>> installed it from a borrowed DVD?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Buy the retail or OEM package. Use the product key that it has to
>>>>>>> validate your current install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are not legally entitled to install an OEM version on a computer
>>>>>> that has not been built either by a computer manufacturer or by
>>>>>> yourself from components, though MS will probably not raise an
>>>>>> objection to someone who has dished out almost half the cost of a
>>>>>> brand computer just to buy the right to use the OS. You are not
>>>>>> supposed to buy a WinXP PC and install Win7 OS on it unless you buy
>>>>>> the Retail or the Upgrade version of Win7.
>>>>>
>>>>> System Builder licenses do not require you to build the computer.
>>>>> Buying a whole computer and then installing the OS still defines you
>>>>> as the OEM'er. You are the builder. Nothing legally prevents you
>>>>> from subcontracting other services from other parties.
>>>>
>>>> OK. Point taken. But you seem to forget that you have at least to buy
>>>> some hardware to qualify to buy the OEM version. Though I agree this
>>>> may be only some sort of legal technicality.
>>>>
>>>> But this does NOT stop the buyer of the OS whether the retail version,
>>>> the upgrade version OR the OEM version being fleeced. How much do you
>>>> think MS charge say DELL for the OS as opposed to the individual
>>>> buying 1 copy of the OS?
>>>>
>>>> There is no way you can get out of this one! IF you are honest that is
>>>> and admit it!
>>>
>>> If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
>>> options ;)
>>
>> But being a critic of such pricing policies is also my right!
>
> Sure - your choice: bitch about it or vote with your feet.

One way of admitting defeat! ;-)
--
choro
*****

[Char Jackson]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:36:54 +0000, choro > wrote:

>On 12/02/2011 15:07, ray wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:27:28 +0000, choro wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2011 23:13, ray wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
>>>> options ;)
>>>
>>> But being a critic of such pricing policies is also my right!
>>
>> Sure - your choice: bitch about it or vote with your feet.
>
>One way of admitting defeat! ;-)

Or one way of admitting reality...;-)

--

Char Jackson

[choro]

On 12/02/2011 23:41, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:36:54 +0000, > wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2011 15:07, ray wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:27:28 +0000, choro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2011 23:13, ray wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:37 +0000, choro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/02/2011 09:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like the MS pricing policies there are, of course, other
>>>>> options ;)
>>>>
>>>> But being a critic of such pricing policies is also my right!
>>>
>>> Sure - your choice: bitch about it or vote with your feet.
>>
>> One way of admitting defeat! ;-)
>
> Or one way of admitting reality...;-)

Well, OK! I'll have to agree with you. But honestly, it's not that I am
anti Windows but I cringe at the cost of buying yet another copy of the
OEM version of Windows every time I build a new PC.

Buying the retail version is no option really as it is so much more
expensive and also because every time I build a new PC it is time to
move over to a newer version of Windows too OR I am not yet completely
discarding my older PC. So OEM it is for me.

However the cost spread over x number of years isn't too bad but I just
can't help feeling that people who buy laptops or ready-made PCs
effectively pay a damn sight less for their Windows OSs.

Which is why I feel hard done by!
--
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*****

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

VanguardLH wrote:

> The price for the software is the major source
> of revenue to Microsoft, anyway.

oops, should've been "isn't", not "is".

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

choro wrote:

> On 12/02/2011 13:36, VanguardLH wrote:
>> choro wrote:
>>
>>> I have nothing to say about volume licences and hence discounted prices
>>> BUT the discounts must be realistic. OR RATHER the small volume price
>>> must be set at a realistic rather than an inflated level which is what
>>> happens in real life.
>>>
>>> I remember seeing car tyres at 70% discount. Now who on earth is
>>> supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
>>> regularly give 70% discounts to individual customers?
>>
>> Apparently you have never heard of or seen rebates. Now who on earth is
>> supposed to be making such high profits that they can afford to
>> regularly give the rebated price to individual customers? Only some
>> make use of the rebates. The price for the software is the major source
>> of revenue to Microsoft, anyway. You think end users are typically
>> buying volume licenses? Yeah, right. It's corporations that buy volume
>> licenses - AND corporations buy support contracts or buy lots of trouble
>> tickets. The revenue generated from support of the product far
>> outstrips the revenue generated from the product alone.
>>
>> Considering that Microsoft, IBM, and other major software houses have
>> managed to survive for decades will providing reduced costs for voluming
>> licensing disproves any claims you make regarding marketing knowledge.
>> It has been working for a long time.
>>
>> It's apparent you haven't been involved in operating a business or even
>> working for a large corporation long enough to burst the bubble of
>> experiencing your company outside the bubble for your limited tasks to
>> understand its sales and marketing schemes. I've never been in Sales or
>> Marketing but companies doing volume licensing or discounts to volume
>> purchases have existed for so long and I don't limit my view to just my
>> select tasks to perform just my job that it's almost impossible for
>> anyone that has been working for even 5 years to not understand how all
>> that works.
>
> Look, I know what I am talking about and I understand the need for
> rebates etc. I have got nothing against that. What I am objecting to is
> the very fact that normal prices are artificially set very high in the
> first place so that artificially high rebates can be given.
>
> If you haven't yet grasped this point, then you haven't understood
> marketing. It is natural for volume buyers to get rebates which the
> manufacturer can actually afford to give because they are saving in
> overheads by selling in volume. But the rebates are far, far higher that
> the savings achieved by volume selling.
>
> You talk like someone indoctrinated! Someone parroting!

How many end users do you personally know of, including yourself, that
purchase technical support from Microsoft for one license of Windows?
Most users that you are talking about have to get their Windows support
from the OEM'er, not Microsoft.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Oh, I get it now. You either live in a socialist country where you get
what the gov't decides you get or you embrace socialism. Sorry,
Microsoft is based in a capitalist country.

There are countries where consensual sex begins at age 12. Doesn't
alter that it would be prosecuted here as pedophilia. Different
countries, different forms of gov't, different economics.

[choro]

On 13/02/2011 01:19, VanguardLH wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> The price for the software is the major source
>> of revenue to Microsoft, anyway.
>
> oops, should've been "isn't", not "is".

I see you can't even get one sentence right. And you start talking to me
about capitalism and socialism! What the hell do you know about economic
systems and how they work or don't work?

Anyway, it is all IBM's fault to begin with. And if you don't know what
I am talking about go and find out and don't ask me.

I have no desire to talk with parrots who can talk but who don't know
the meaning of one single word they utter. Just like you in fact!

I think you are ****ed or at least your brains are ****ed up!
--
choro
*****

[Ant[_2_]]

R. C. White > wrote:
> Hi, Ant.

> Disks are cheap. Licenses and Product Keys are expensive. (What is Win7
> UE?)

UE = Ultimate Edition.


> Yes, you need to buy the retail package - either the full or the update
> version.
> You might want to start here:
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home

> or:
> http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=windows+7&FORM=HURE

> Also, check out activation requirements at:
> Get a new Windows 7 product key
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Get-a-new-Windows-7-product-key

> Good luck!

> RC

Thanks. Do they also make multiple keys for UE for home usage? I'd like
to use it more than one machines.
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> Forget it. It is cheaper to buy a brand new computer with Win7 already
> on it than buying the retail version of Win7.

I build my own PCs like you. :/
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[Ant[_2_]]

Winston > wrote:

> > I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> > like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> > have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> > borrowed DVD?
> >
> > Thank you in advance. :)

> http://www.windows7key.co.uk/index.asp

Is that even legal? Also, I am not in UK, but US. :)
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> I went through a long drawn out deal with Acer a while back where a new
> laptops license for Win7 was no longer valid. Microsoft had a site to get
> valid. I paid them online, about $110.00 IIRC, and they validated the
> license on line right then, and then sent me a Disc for it in case I ever
> have to re do it. I suspect that if you go on line with the one you have
> they will tell you it is not valid then offer the same. Might be a little
> more for Ultimate if that is what you mean by UE, mine is the Home Premium.

Yes, UE is Ultimate Edition. Wow, that's a pain. I really hate this
whole DRM and activation. I am still using old XP Pro. SP3 and W2K
SP4, but I will need to move on if I keep using Windows. Yes, I do use
Linux/Debian and Mac OS X but there are upcoming games and other
softwares, support, etc. to deal with for Windows. :(
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:23:39 -0600, (Ant) wrote:

>Quote of the Week: "For while the giants have just been talking about an
>information superhighway, the ants have actually been building one: the
>Internet." From "The Accidental Superhighway." The Economist: A Survey
>of the Internet, 1-7 July 1995, insert.
> /\___/\ Ant @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site)
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> ( ) then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link.


My, my, you are very myrmecophilous.

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[Winston[_2_]]

"Ant" > wrote in message
m...
> Winston > wrote:
>
>> > I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
>> > like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
>> > have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
>> > borrowed DVD?
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance. :)
>
>> http://www.windows7key.co.uk/index.asp
>
> Is that even legal? Also, I am not in UK, but US. :)

At the top right of the page you can select your currency: Euros, US
dollars or UK Pounds.

[Roy Smith[_6_]]

On 2/12/2011 10:14 PM, Ant wrote:
> R. C. > wrote:
>> Hi, Ant.
>
>> Disks are cheap. Licenses and Product Keys are expensive. (What is Win7
>> UE?)
>
> UE = Ultimate Edition.
>
>
>> Yes, you need to buy the retail package - either the full or the update
>> version.
>> You might want to start here:
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home
>
>> or:
>> http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=windows+7&FORM=HURE
>
>> Also, check out activation requirements at:
>> Get a new Windows 7 product key
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Get-a-new-Windows-7-product-key
>
>> Good luck!
>
>> RC
>
> Thanks. Do they also make multiple keys for UE for home usage? I'd like
> to use it more than one machines.

Not that I'm aware of, the only multiple key version that I do know
about for a home user is the family pack where you get 3 keys for Home
Premium. The only things that are missing from Home Premium as compared
to Ultimate are:

1. XP Mode
2. Ability to join a domain
3. Create backups over a network
4. Bitlocker Encryption
5. Multiple Language support

Most of these missing things can be added with third party software, so
it's your choice.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:57:32 AM

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:14:28 -0600, (Ant) wrote:


> Thanks. Do they also make multiple keys for UE for home usage? I'd like
> to use it more than one machines.


Sorry, no. If you want multiple copies, you need to buy them.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

choro wrote:

> On 13/02/2011 01:19, VanguardLH wrote:
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> The price for the software is the major source
>>> of revenue to Microsoft, anyway.
>>
>> oops, should've been "isn't", not "is".
>
> I see you can't even get one sentence right.

So you go extreme with logic. I misspell one word and that means all my
sentences are incorrect. Uh huh.

> And you start talking to me
> about capitalism and socialism! What the hell do you know about economic
> systems and how they work or don't work?

No one here can help you escape your dream world of "how it should be
according to choro".

> Anyway, it is all IBM's fault to begin with. And if you don't know what
> I am talking about go and find out and don't ask me.
>
> I have no desire to talk with parrots who can talk but who don't know
> the meaning of one single word they utter. Just like you in fact!
>
> I think you are ****ed or at least your brains are ****ed up!

Yes, we see the evidence of your professional attitude here. You really
thought your response lended credibility to your argument? You just
shot yourself in your own foot.

[Ant[_2_]]

> > Thanks. Do they also make multiple keys for UE for home usage? I'd like
> > to use it more than one machines.

> Not that I'm aware of, the only multiple key version that I do know
> about for a home user is the family pack where you get 3 keys for Home
> Premium. The only things that are missing from Home Premium as compared
> to Ultimate are:

> 1. XP Mode

This is useful.


> 2. Ability to join a domain

Don't care for it.


> 3. Create backups over a network

Could be useful?


> 4. Bitlocker Encryption

Maybe useful? I use TrueCrypt since I use more than Windows OS'.


> 5. Multiple Language support

Is that IME and viewing like asian characters?


> Most of these missing things can be added with third party software, so
> it's your choice.

Ah. What are those alternatives and are they free?
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[Ant[_2_]]

> > Thanks. Do they also make multiple keys for UE for home usage? I'd like
> > to use it more than one machines.

> Sorry, no. If you want multiple copies, you need to buy them.

Bummer and thanks. :)
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[Ant[_2_]]

> >> > I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> >> > like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> >> > have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> >> > borrowed DVD?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> >> http://www.windows7key.co.uk/index.asp
> >
> > Is that even legal? Also, I am not in UK, but US. :)

> At the top right of the page you can select your currency: Euros, US
> dollars or UK Pounds.

Thank you, but what about my question? Does MS approve these keys?
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[Ant[_2_]]

> My, my, you are very myrmecophilous.

:)
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[Ant[_2_]]

Ant > wrote:
> > >> > I recently installed Windows 7 UE retail, but haven't activated it. I
> > >> > like it so I want to buy a valid/legit key. Where can I buy one or do I
> > >> > have to buy the whole package even though I already installed it from a
> > >> > borrowed DVD?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you in advance. :)
> > >
> > >> http://www.windows7key.co.uk/index.asp
> > >
> > > Is that even legal? Also, I am not in UK, but US. :)

> > At the top right of the page you can select your currency: Euros, US
> > dollars or UK Pounds.

> Thank you, but what about my question? Does MS approve these keys?

Nevermind -- "The online shop you were looking for has been closed
it was built using ekmPowershop.com, an easy to use online shop
builder". :(
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[jvalh]

Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.

I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
until you decide that you don't need it any more.

[Tim Slattery]

jvalh > wrote:

>Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>
>I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
>are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
>until you decide that you don't need it any more.

If you buy a retail version, you do have that right. You can use it
in only one box at a time, but you can keep using it as long as you
like on as many machines as you like.

If you have an OEM version, you've paid quite a bit less for it. One
of the reasons it's cheaper is that you don't have the right to move
it to another machine.

--
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[Alias[_51_]]

On 02/16/2011 02:55 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>>
>> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
>> are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
>> until you decide that you don't need it any more.
>
> If you buy a retail version, you do have that right. You can use it
> in only one box at a time, but you can keep using it as long as you
> like on as many machines as you like.
>
> If you have an OEM version, you've paid quite a bit less for it. One
> of the reasons it's cheaper is that you don't have the right to move
> it to another machine.
>

Yeah, but if 120 days have passed since the last activation/hardware
change, it will activate on line no problem. I am, of course, referring
to OEM generic, not OEM branded.

--
Alias

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:05:57 +0000, jvalh > wrote:


> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
> are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
> until you decide that you don't need it any more.


See Tim Slattery's response, and let me add the following:

If you buy *anything*, you are entitled to use it in accordance with
whatever restrictions are put upon the sale by the manufacturer and
the seller (and by laws). If you don't like those restrictions, don't
buy it.

[Bob I]

If you buy a retail Windows operating system LICENSE then you can do
exactly that. The reason is that the license is assigned to YOU. On the
other hand IF you purchased an OEM license then the license is assigned
to the first box it is installed on, that's why it is an OEM license.
Arguing otherwise only indicates ignorance.

On 2/16/2011 06:05, jvalh wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>
> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
> are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
> until you decide that you don't need it any more.

[Nil[_2_]]

On 16 Feb 2011, jvalh > wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>
> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc
> you are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year
> after year, until you decide that you don't need it any more.

And I feel that when it rains, it rains yummy cherry gum drops.

Sorry, I don't have the time to live in the real world.

[Charles Tomaras]

"Lewis" > wrote in message
...
\>>>
>>>
>>>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>>>
>>>
>>>Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
>>>number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
>
>> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.
>
> The page I linked to elsethread was from Microsoft and clearly states
> that all versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR.

Now show us a link to a home computer on sale with more than one processor.
I haven't seen one in years. Or for your home build folks...show me a link
to a dual processor motherboard. They all kind of went away with the advent
of dual or more core single processors.

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:57:47 -0800, "Charles Tomaras"
> wrote:

>
> "Lewis" > wrote in message
> ...
> \>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
> >>>number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
> >
> >> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.
> >
> > The page I linked to elsethread was from Microsoft and clearly states
> > that all versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR.
>
> Now show us a link to a home computer on sale with more than one processor.
> I haven't seen one in years. Or for your home build folks...show me a link
> to a dual processor motherboard. They all kind of went away with the advent
> of dual or more core single processors.


Your point is a good one, but it's also true that what Lewis said "all
versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR" is correct. I
was wrong on that point, and I apologize.

However I was correct in everything else I said in reply to his
message, and he *was* confusing multiple cores in a single processor
with multiple processors.

[Bob I]

On 2/17/2011 12:57, Charles Tomaras wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> \>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
>>>> number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
>>
>>> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.
>>
>> The page I linked to elsethread was from Microsoft and clearly states
>> that all versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR.
>
> Now show us a link to a home computer on sale with more than one processor.
> I haven't seen one in years. Or for your home build folks...show me a link
> to a dual processor motherboard. They all kind of went away with the advent
> of dual or more core single processors.
>
>

http://www.smarter.com/se--qq-dual%20motherboard%20sockets.html

Next!

[Charles Tomaras]

"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> On 2/17/2011 12:57, Charles Tomaras wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> \>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
>>>>> number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.
>>>
>>> The page I linked to elsethread was from Microsoft and clearly states
>>> that all versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR.
>>
>> Now show us a link to a home computer on sale with more than one
>> processor.
>> I haven't seen one in years. Or for your home build folks...show me a
>> link
>> to a dual processor motherboard. They all kind of went away with the
>> advent
>> of dual or more core single processors.
>>
>>
>
> http://www.smarter.com/se--qq-dual%20motherboard%20sockets.html

Not saying they don't exist...you just don't see too many of them any more
and I doubt anyone building a box with one is gonna be on here asking about
Win7 keys for home.

[GreyCloud]

Charles Tomaras wrote:
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On 2/17/2011 12:57, Charles Tomaras wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> \>>>
>>>>>>> Maximum CPUs for all Home versions is 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true of Windows 7. And for Windows XP and Vista, you are mixing up
>>>>>> number of processors and number of cores in a single processor.
>>>>> Thanks, Ken. The voice of reason, as always.
>>>> The page I linked to elsethread was from Microsoft and clearly states
>>>> that all versions of Windows 7 home are limited to ONE PROCESSOR.
>>> Now show us a link to a home computer on sale with more than one
>>> processor.
>>> I haven't seen one in years. Or for your home build folks...show me a
>>> link
>>> to a dual processor motherboard. They all kind of went away with the
>>> advent
>>> of dual or more core single processors.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.smarter.com/se--qq-dual%20motherboard%20sockets.html
>
> Not saying they don't exist...you just don't see too many of them any more
> and I doubt anyone building a box with one is gonna be on here asking about
> Win7 keys for home.
>

It was just a curious question for the op. But I've even found some
quad socket motherboards...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151219

But then the majority of users of this calibre of board will be server
users or
for scientific users. But it would probably make an addicted gamer drool.



--
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William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

[GreyCloud]

jvalh wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>
> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
> are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after year,
> until you decide that you don't need it any more.

Not a practical idea tho. As time goes by, you'll be hard pressed to
find the hardware drivers for the older
operating systems.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

[Bob I]

On 2/17/2011 21:04, GreyCloud wrote:
> jvalh wrote:
>> Sorry, I don't have the time to read all these posts.
>>
>> I feel that if one buys an operating system e.g. Win2K, Win7, etc you
>> are entitled to use it in box after box after box, and year after
>> year, until you decide that you don't need it any more.
>
> Not a practical idea tho. As time goes by, you'll be hard pressed to
> find the hardware drivers for the older
> operating systems.
>

Certainly is a practical idea, it's available as the retail license, and
as far as "drivers", that's one of the determining factors of "you don't
need it anymore".