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...winston[_2_]
October 3rd 12, 04:05 AM
Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


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....winston
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R. C. White
October 4th 12, 02:00 PM
Hi, Winston.

Interesting read. Even Paul is mystified and frustrated about some of
Win8's "features".

But, like me, he likes Win8 overall and is looking forward to seeing some of
its rough edges cleaned up "in the next release". SP1, anybody?

Quote from the final, "Conclusions" section:
> Windows 8 does certainly require a brief adjustment period before users
> become familiar and comfortable with the new bimodal operating system.

> Desktop PC users, with only minor tweaks and adjustments, should be able
> to pick things up without much trouble. I am sure most the minor issues I
> pointed out will be addressed in the next release of the operating system.

Perhaps he should have used some words other than "brief" and "minor" in a
few places. :^{

And he wasn't limited to the RTM Enterprise Evaluation Edition, as I am for
now, so he could run Media Center and FreeCell!

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728) in Win8 Enterprise (Eval)


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on
Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


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msft mvp mail

...winston[_2_]
October 4th 12, 08:52 PM
Yes, agree. He was very (for lack of better words) politically sensitive in his comments.

If he has Media Center (then he's got the update in advance of anyone who using the current RTM version).
Free Cell and Solitaire (and a boatload of other games are available for free in the MSFT store under XBox/Microsoft account
required)



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....winston
msft mvp mail


"R. C. White" wrote in message ecom...

Hi, Winston.

Interesting read. Even Paul is mystified and frustrated about some of
Win8's "features".

But, like me, he likes Win8 overall and is looking forward to seeing some of
its rough edges cleaned up "in the next release". SP1, anybody?

Quote from the final, "Conclusions" section:
> Windows 8 does certainly require a brief adjustment period before users become familiar and comfortable with the new bimodal
> operating system.

> Desktop PC users, with only minor tweaks and adjustments, should be able to pick things up without much trouble. I am sure most
> the minor issues I pointed out will be addressed in the next release of the operating system.

Perhaps he should have used some words other than "brief" and "minor" in a
few places. :^{

And he wasn't limited to the RTM Enterprise Evaluation Edition, as I am for
now, so he could run Media Center and FreeCell!

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728) in Win8 Enterprise (Eval)


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on
Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


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....winston
msft mvp mail

R. C. White
October 5th 12, 04:39 AM
Hi, Winston.

But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.

Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but I
can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.

Oh, well. Just 22 more days...

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Yes, agree. He was very (for lack of better words) politically sensitive in
his comments.

If he has Media Center (then he's got the update in advance of anyone who
using the current RTM version).
Free Cell and Solitaire (and a boatload of other games are available for
free in the MSFT store under XBox/Microsoft account
required)

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...

Hi, Winston.

Interesting read. Even Paul is mystified and frustrated about some of
Win8's "features".

But, like me, he likes Win8 overall and is looking forward to seeing some of
its rough edges cleaned up "in the next release". SP1, anybody?

Quote from the final, "Conclusions" section:
> Windows 8 does certainly require a brief adjustment period before users
> become familiar and comfortable with the new bimodal
> operating system.

> Desktop PC users, with only minor tweaks and adjustments, should be able
> to pick things up without much trouble. I am sure most
> the minor issues I pointed out will be addressed in the next release of
> the operating system.

Perhaps he should have used some words other than "brief" and "minor" in a
few places. :^{

And he wasn't limited to the RTM Enterprise Evaluation Edition, as I am for
now, so he could run Media Center and FreeCell!

RC


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on
Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

...winston[_2_]
October 5th 12, 08:14 AM
One doesn't need an Xbox.
The RTM games are deployed via the MSFT store and require a free Xbox Live
account to use them. The Windows profile Microsoft account username/pw is
used to create the XBox Live account profile (similar to assigning a Live
ID/Microsoft account to an MSDN or Msft Answers profile) and Xbox Live
assigns the user a gamer tag (username).

....winston
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"R. C. White" wrote in message
...

Hi, Winston.

But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.

Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but I
can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.

Oh, well. Just 22 more days...

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Yes, agree. He was very (for lack of better words) politically sensitive in
his comments.

If he has Media Center (then he's got the update in advance of anyone who
using the current RTM version).
Free Cell and Solitaire (and a boatload of other games are available for
free in the MSFT store under XBox/Microsoft account
required)

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...

Hi, Winston.

Interesting read. Even Paul is mystified and frustrated about some of
Win8's "features".

But, like me, he likes Win8 overall and is looking forward to seeing some of
its rough edges cleaned up "in the next release". SP1, anybody?

Quote from the final, "Conclusions" section:
> Windows 8 does certainly require a brief adjustment period before users
> become familiar and comfortable with the new bimodal
> operating system.

> Desktop PC users, with only minor tweaks and adjustments, should be able
> to pick things up without much trouble. I am sure most
> the minor issues I pointed out will be addressed in the next release of
> the operating system.

Perhaps he should have used some words other than "brief" and "minor" in a
few places. :^{

And he wasn't limited to the RTM Enterprise Evaluation Edition, as I am for
now, so he could run Media Center and FreeCell!

RC


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on
Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

Dave-UK
October 5th 12, 10:01 AM
"R. C. White" > wrote in message ...
> Hi, Winston.
>
> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>
> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but I
> can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>
> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>

If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned here)
you can run the Win7 games in Win8

http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/

I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm they run ok in Win8.

Dave \Crash\ Dummy
October 5th 12, 11:34 AM
Dave-UK wrote:
>
> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi, Winston.
>>
>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>
>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but
>> I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>
>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>
>
> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned here)
> you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>
>
> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm
> they run ok in Win8.

It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
good for?

--
Crash

"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth."
~ Otto von Bismarck ~

Dave-UK
October 5th 12, 12:19 PM
"Dave "Crash" Dummy" > wrote in message ...
> Dave-UK wrote:
>>
>> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi, Winston.
>>>
>>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>>
>>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but
>>> I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>>
>>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>>
>>
>> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned here)
>> you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>>
>>
>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm
>> they run ok in Win8.
>
> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> good for?
>

Indeed, and now you've got no excuse for not getting to grips with Win8.
There's no Aero and you can even have your beloved Classic start menu!
:-)

Dave \Crash\ Dummy
October 5th 12, 12:44 PM
Dave-UK wrote:
>
> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dave-UK wrote:
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Hi, Winston.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>>>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>>>
>>>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed -
>>>> but I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned
>>> here)
>>> you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>>>
>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>>>
>>>
>>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can
>>> confirm they run ok in Win8.
>>
>> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is
>> it good for?
>>
>
> Indeed, and now you've got no excuse for not getting to grips with Win8.
> There's no Aero and you can even have your beloved Classic start menu!
> :-)

All good points, but I'm just getting used to Win7, and it ain't broke,
so why fix it? :-)
--
Crash

"When you get to a fork in the road, take it."
~ Yogi Berra ~

Ken Blake[_4_]
October 5th 12, 03:29 PM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:01:22 +0100, "Dave-UK" > wrote:


> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm they run ok in Win8.



Ugh! The Windows 7 chess program is terrible, and is easy to beat. If
you like to play chess, and want a much better program, I recommend
two: Fritz and Rybka.


--
Ken Blake

Ken Blake[_4_]
October 5th 12, 03:31 PM
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
> wrote:


> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> good for?



For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
click, double-click, and drag.

--
Ken Blake

ray
October 5th 12, 03:39 PM
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, Dave \"Crash\" Dummy wrote:

> Dave-UK wrote:
>>
>> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi, Winston.
>>>
>>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>>
>>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but
>>> I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>>
>>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>>
>>>
>> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned
>> here) you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-
minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>>
>>
>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can
>> confirm they run ok in Win8.
>
> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> good for?

pinball.

Dave-UK
October 5th 12, 03:49 PM
"Ken Blake" > wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:01:22 +0100, "Dave-UK" > wrote:
>
>
>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm they run ok in Win8.
>
>
>
> Ugh! The Windows 7 chess program is terrible, and is easy to beat. If
> you like to play chess, and want a much better program, I recommend
> two: Fritz and Rybka.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake

I don't play chess a lot but thanks for the heads up.
I just chose the Chess and Solitaire exe files as an exercise in Windows hacking!

Ken Blake[_4_]
October 5th 12, 04:01 PM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:49:34 +0100, "Dave-UK" > wrote:

>
> "Ken Blake" > wrote in message ...
> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:01:22 +0100, "Dave-UK" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm they run ok in Win8.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ugh! The Windows 7 chess program is terrible, and is easy to beat. If
> > you like to play chess, and want a much better program, I recommend
> > two: Fritz and Rybka.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake
>
> I don't play chess a lot but thanks for the heads up.
> I just chose the Chess and Solitaire exe files as an exercise in Windows hacking!


You're welcome, and OK. Actually I don't play chess a lot either. But
I used to be an active tournament player some 55 or so years ago.


--
Ken Blake

Zaphod Beeblebrox
October 5th 12, 04:23 PM
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:31:44 -0700, "Ken Blake" >
wrote in article >...
>
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
> > wrote:
>
>
> > It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> > good for?
>
>
> For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
> included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
> click, double-click, and drag.


I always thought that was an urban legend.

--
Zaphod

Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.

Dave \Crash\ Dummy
October 5th 12, 05:01 PM
Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
> wrote:
>
>> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
>> good for?
>
> For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
> included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
> click, double-click, and drag.

I didn't like Windows Solitaire much until I learned how to cheat at it. :-)
--
Crash

"The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do."
~ B. F. Skinner ~

Jake[_12_]
October 5th 12, 05:37 PM
In article >, "Ken Blake"
> said...
>
> > It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> > good for?
>
> For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
> included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
> click, double-click, and drag.

Maybe Win8 will come with Twister

Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
October 5th 12, 06:34 PM
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

> Dave-UK wrote:
>>
>> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi, Winston.
>>>
>>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>>
>>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but
>>> I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>>
>>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>>
>>
>> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned here)
>> you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>>
>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm
>> they run ok in Win8.
>
> It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> good for?

There's someone at the computer to my left who seems to agree with you
:-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Ken Blake[_4_]
October 5th 12, 07:12 PM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:23:23 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox
> wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:31:44 -0700, "Ken Blake" >
> wrote in article >...
> >
> > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
> > > good for?
> >
> >
> > For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
> > included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
> > click, double-click, and drag.
>
>
> I always thought that was an urban legend.


I suppose it's possible that I'm wrong, and it is an urban legend, but
I *think* it's not.


--
Ken Blake

...winston[_2_]
October 6th 12, 03:59 AM
"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...

>
> Actually I don't play chess a lot either. But
> I used to be an active tournament player some 55
> or so years ago.
>

Ike played chess too. <g>

“…I am an indoor man and I find more relaxation in playing a game of chess.” (Dwight D. Eisenhower: Containing the public messages,
speeches and statements of the President, 1953-1960/1, Volume 1)

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Ken Blake[_4_]
October 6th 12, 03:12 PM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:59:40 -0400, "...winston" >
wrote:

>
> "Ken Blake" wrote in message ...
>
> >
> > Actually I don't play chess a lot either. But
> > I used to be an active tournament player some 55
> > or so years ago.
> >
>
> Ike played chess too. <g>
>
> ??I am an indoor man and I find more relaxation in playing a game of chess.? (Dwight D. Eisenhower: Containing the public messages,
> speeches and statements of the President, 1953-1960/1, Volume 1)


I don't know for sure, but my guess is that I was a better player than
he was.

The only two famous people I know of who played reasonably well were
Humphrey Bogart (who was somewhere around the same strength as I was)
and Stanley Kubrick (who I used to often see at the Manhattan Chess
Club, where we were both members; but we never played each other, and
I don't know how strong he was).

--
Ken Blake

Gene Wirchenko
October 12th 12, 06:52 PM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:23:23 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox
> wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:31:44 -0700, "Ken Blake" >
>wrote in article >...

[snip]

>> For those who don't know (or don't remember), Solitaire was originally
>> included in Windows to give people practice in using the mouse to
>> click, double-click, and drag.

>I always thought that was an urban legend.

Whether it is or not, I have recommended that people play
Solitaire and FreeCell as a training exercise if they are not already
comfortable using a mouse. (FreeCell adds right-click to the list of
mouse actions.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Tom Perrett
October 21st 12, 10:06 AM
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:34:01 -0400, Dave \"Crash\" Dummy wrote:

>Dave-UK wrote:
>>
>> "R. C. White" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi, Winston.
>>>
>>> But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
>>> Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.
>>>
>>> Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but
>>> I can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.
>>>
>>> Oh, well. Just 22 more days...
>>>
>>
>> If you don't mind using a hex editor ( or use the patcher mentioned here)
>> you can run the Win7 games in Win8
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what-happened-to-solitaire-and-minesweeper-in-windows-8/
>>
>>
>> I've just tried converting Win7 Chess and Win7 Solitaire and can confirm
>> they run ok in Win8.
>
>It's hard to imagine Windows without Solitaire. I mean, what else is it
>good for?
>
>--
>Crash
>
>"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth."
>~ Otto von Bismarck ~


Hearts

R. C. White
October 22nd 12, 02:21 PM
UPDATE!

I don't know what I did differently, but the Microsoft Solitaire Collection
finally installed on this Win8 Enterprise Evaluation installation! ;<)

So far, I'm 100% on FreeCell (only played 1 game and was the winner <g> )
and have won a few and lost a few more on Klondike.

Only 4 more days until I can switch to Win8 Pro RTM, add Media Center, and
watch TV on my desktop. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3505.0912) in Win8 (RTM Ent Eval)


"R. C. White" wrote in message
...

Hi, Winston.

But I don't have an Xbox - and don't really want one. Just to play
Solitaire? I do have a Microsoft Account.

Win8 SAYS that Solitaire is free and that I've already installed - but I
can't find it in my Win8 RTM Ent Eval edition.

Oh, well. Just 22 more days...

RC


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Yes, agree. He was very (for lack of better words) politically sensitive in
his comments.

If he has Media Center (then he's got the update in advance of anyone who
using the current RTM version).
Free Cell and Solitaire (and a boatload of other games are available for
free in the MSFT store under XBox/Microsoft account
required)

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...

Hi, Winston.

Interesting read. Even Paul is mystified and frustrated about some of
Win8's "features".

But, like me, he likes Win8 overall and is looking forward to seeing some of
its rough edges cleaned up "in the next release". SP1, anybody?

Quote from the final, "Conclusions" section:
> Windows 8 does certainly require a brief adjustment period before users
> become familiar and comfortable with the new bimodal
> operating system.

> Desktop PC users, with only minor tweaks and adjustments, should be able
> to pick things up without much trouble. I am sure most
> the minor issues I pointed out will be addressed in the next release of
> the operating system.

Perhaps he should have used some words other than "brief" and "minor" in a
few places. :^{

And he wasn't limited to the RTM Enterprise Evaluation Edition, as I am for
now, so he could run Media Center and FreeCell!

RC


"...winston" wrote in message ...

Paul Allen's (Msft co-founder, investor and philanthropist) article on
Windows 8

Idea Man - Pauls take on Windows 8:
http://www.paulallen.com/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=21


--
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