Mozilla Thunderbird

[Rene Lamontagne]

Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

[Rene Lamontagne]

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ...

Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

Forgot to add Windows Live mail 2012

And it is Windows 8 (that’s what happens when your looking at the keyboard
and not the Screen) :-))

Rene

[Sam Hill]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

--
sam

[Ed Cryer]

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>
> "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
> keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
> ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
> I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
> should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
> Apps to do email and newsgroups.
> TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
> have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
> not all but will not send.
> Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
> some such.
> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
> Live Mail which works like a charm.
> By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
> I get the hang of some of its features
> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
> on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
> dead-end.
>
> Regards, Rene
>
> Forgot to add Windows Live mail 2012
>
> And it is Windows 8 (that’s what happens when your looking at the
> keyboard and not the Screen) :-))
>
> Rene
>

I've been using Tbird for years; successfully. And updates are still
happening, so it's under good support.
Install it again; post ongoing problems here, and we'll help the best we
can.

Ed

[Mellowed[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 7:18 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
> keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
> ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
> I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
> should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
> Apps to do email and newsgroups.
> TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
> have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
> not all but will not send.
> Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
> some such.
> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
> Live Mail which works like a charm.
> By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
> I get the hang of some of its features
> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
> on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
> dead-end.
>
> Regards, Rene
>
This response is from TBird 16.0.1 and Win8.

[James Silverton[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 10:47 AM, Sam Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>
> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>
> It is a terrible application.
>
I have been using Thunderbird (16.0.2 as of this morning) for years both
for mail and newsgroups. It works well and quoting is satisfactory. I
hope this post will not prove me wrong :-)

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

[Rene Lamontagne]

"Sam Hill" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

--
sam
I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups Like A
Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post them.
Rene

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
> keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
> ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
> I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
> should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
> Apps to do email and newsgroups.
> TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
> have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
> not all but will not send.
> Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
> some such.
> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
> Live Mail which works like a charm.
> By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
> I get the hang of some of its features
> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
> on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
> dead-end.

You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port.
--
Crash

I always thought Mensa was a Japanese import.

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
> > I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> > Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>
> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>
> It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.



--
Ken Blake

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:15:50 -0500, "Rene Lamontagne" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Sam Hill" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>
>No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
>messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
>trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
>and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>
>It is a terrible application.
>
>--
>sam
>I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups Like A
>Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post them.
>Rene

And then does not work right.

Your post went right after sam's sig line so Agent deleted
everything after it (as it should). Because your newsreader does not
work right, that took out your post as well. I had to cancel,
highlight your entire message, and try again to override this.

Your choice of newsreaders is causing us trouble. Are you hoping
to get any answers from the people you are antagonising?

I have already killfiled another WLM user for that reason.

Get a proper newsreader. I use Forte Agent which is a good one.
Others will probably suggest other good ones.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Rene Lamontagne]

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
> > I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> > Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>
> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>
> It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.



--
Ken Blake

Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I can't get
Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how to get it to work

--

Regards, Rene

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>
> "Ken Blake" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>>
>> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
>> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean.
>> Imagine trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and
>> a mix of top- and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>>
>> It is a terrible application.
>
>
> Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
> e-mail/newsreader program ever released.
>
> Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
> here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
> killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
> posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
> they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
> and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.
>
>
>

Oops! I lost your comment. Let's see if I can rescue it somehow... There
it is! Hang on while I cobble this together:

> Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I
> can't get Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how
> to get it to work

Okay. Bull. I use Thunderbird 2 to send and receive POP3/SMTP mail using
three different servers. You just have to set it up properly. To copy my
other post, which you seem to have ignored,

"You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port."

--
Crash

"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory."
~ W. Edwards Deming ~

[Rene Lamontagne[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 11:50 AM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
>> keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried
>> various
>> ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
>> I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They
>> said I
>> should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
>> Apps to do email and newsgroups.
>> TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25
>> which I
>> have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
>> not all but will not send.
>> Error is the mail server returned an invalid response
>> +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
>> some such.
>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
>> Live Mail which works like a charm.
>> By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like
>> it as
>> I get the hang of some of its features
>> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also
>> read
>> on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
>> dead-end.
>
> You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
> including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
> your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
> the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
> (SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
> active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
> change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port.


OK Dave that's where I'm stuck I click on SMTP outgoing server and click
on one of the entries But I do not get an Edit Option and can't change
port number, I am using 16.0.1 version.

Thanks, Rene

[Gordonbp]

On 01/11/12 17:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

>
> if I scroll to the bottom of the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
> (SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
> active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
> change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port."
>

Still there in TBird 16.0.2....

[Rene Lamontagne[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 11:55 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>>
>> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
>> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
>> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
>> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>>
>> It is a terrible application.
>
>
> Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
> e-mail/newsreader program ever released.
>
> Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
> here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
> killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
> posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
> they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
> and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.
>
>
>


Hi Ken, I am using Tbird now for newsgroups for which it is marvelous
and easy to read and follow ngs, My problem is I can't get Email to
work, I have spent many hours on this and I guess I am getting
frustrated. Not trying to PO anybody, so any help would be welcome.
As you can see from my reply to Crash dummy I cannot edit SMTP port
info, any Pointers appreciated as I don't want to have to use two
different programs for mail and newsgroups.

Regards, Rene

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:33:41 -0500, "Rene Lamontagne" >
wrote:


> "Ken Blake" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> >
> > > I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> > > Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
> >
> > No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> > messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> > trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> > and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
> >
> > It is a terrible application.
>
>
> Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
> e-mail/newsreader program ever released.
>
> Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
> here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
> killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
> posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
> they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
> and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.
>
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake
>
> Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I can't get
> Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how to get it to work


I know nothing about Mozilla, so I can't help you with it, but there
are many other better choices for e-mail than Windows Live Mail, and
there are many other better choices for a newsreader than Windows Live
Mail. Personally I use Outlook 2010 for e-mail and Forte Agent 6.0 as
my newsreader, but if I were in your shoes, I would explore the
alternatives rather than simply using what I use.

And by the way, I really don't care what you use for e-mail (as long
as you don't send me e-mail), but I do care what you use for
newsgroups if you are going to post here. So you can keep Windows Live
Mail for e-mail and use any other newsreading program; they are *all*
better than Windows Live Mail.


--
Ken Blake

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:29:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne >
wrote:

> On 11/1/2012 11:55 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
> >>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
> >>
> >> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> >> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> >> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> >> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
> >>
> >> It is a terrible application.
> >
> >
> > Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
> > e-mail/newsreader program ever released.
> >
> > Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
> > here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
> > killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
> > posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
> > they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
> > and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Hi Ken, I am using Tbird now for newsgroups for which it is marvelous
> and easy to read and follow ngs,


Good, I'm glad you like it, although personally I have no opinion
about it other than that I'm sure it's better than Windows Live Mail.


> My problem is I can't get Email to
> work, I have spent many hours on this and I guess I am getting
> frustrated. Not trying to PO anybody, so any help would be welcome.
> As you can see from my reply to Crash dummy I cannot edit SMTP port
> info,


As I said, I can't help you with it, but undoubtedly others here can.


> any Pointers appreciated as I don't want to have to use two
> different programs for mail and newsgroups.


Why not? I do. Many people do. E-mail and newsgroups are two different
things. Do you also want to use the same program for word processing
and spreadsheets (by the way, I once knew someone who did)? What's
wrong with using two different programs?

As far as I'm concerned, for each function, you should choose the
program you think is best for that function, without regard to what
you use for anything else, and without regard for wanting two
different functions to be the same suite. As a single example of that,
I use WordPerfect rather than Microsoft Word, because I think
WordPerfect is much better. But I use Microsoft Excel for spreadsheets
rather than Quattro Pro, which comes in the WordPerfect suite, because
I think Excel is better than Quattro Pro.



--
Ken Blake

[Sam Hill]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:15:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> Sam Hill wrote:

Commence mis-quote:

> It is a terrible application.
>
> --
> sam I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups
> Like A Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post
> them.
> Rene

I already gave you a VERY USEFUL idea. Trash WLM. Uninstall it from your
computer. Everyone who has replied to you has given you this same advice.

Your inability (as described in other posts) to set the proper servers and
ports for Thunderbird is not a worthy excuse, as millions of others do not
have any such trouble as that. I've been using Thunderbird since version
0.2 (the first public release in 2002) and it has never failed to work.

BTW, the good reason to use separate apps for Mail and for News is to
prevent you from embarrassing yourself by sending a private email to a
newsgroup. I see that at least once a week from people who use all-in-one
applications.

--
sam

[Nil[_2_]]

On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
> also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
> also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.

[Sam Hill]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:18:30 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also
> read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become
> a dead-end.

Oh yeah, on this point, you have misunderstood. Or you read somebody's
uninformed blog or something. Thunderbird is not a dead-end. The
developers feel that it already has all the features a worthy email app
should have and don't need to add any more fluff.

Updates - mainly for security - will continue to flow as expected.

--
sam

[Rene Lamontagne[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
>> also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
>> also become a dead-end.
>
> I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
> Thunderbird, but the answer is:
>
> Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
> server port as required.
>

Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
newsgroup reader from now on.
I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
guess turned 78 last April)

Regards, Rene

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
>> On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" > wrote in
>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>
>>> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
>>> also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
>>> also become a dead-end.
>>
>> I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
>> Thunderbird, but the answer is:
>>
>> Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
>> server port as required.
>>
>
> Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
> newsgroup reader from now on.
> I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
> guess turned 78 last April)
>
> Regards, Rene

That's no excuse :-)

Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
(presumably) good.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Rene Lamontagne[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 5:35 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
>>> On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" > wrote in
>>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>>
>>>> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
>>>> also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
>>>> also become a dead-end.
>>>
>>> I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
>>> Thunderbird, but the answer is:
>>>
>>> Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
>>> server port as required.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
>> newsgroup reader from now on.
>> I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
>> guess turned 78 last April)
>>
>> Regards, Rene
>
> That's no excuse :-)
>
> Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
> (presumably) good.
>


Yep The SMTP thing is no longer a problem, The creeping old age is
slowing me down some though :-)) Thanks to all who helped me solve this
problem.

Regards, Rene

[Mellowed[_2_]]

On 11/1/2012 4:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 11/1/2012 5:35 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
>>>> On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" > wrote in
>>>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
>>>>> also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
>>>>> also become a dead-end.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
>>>> Thunderbird, but the answer is:
>>>>
>>>> Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
>>>> server port as required.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
>>> newsgroup reader from now on.
>>> I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
>>> guess turned 78 last April)
>>>
>>> Regards, Rene
>>
>> That's no excuse :-)
>>
>> Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
>> (presumably) good.
>>
>
>
> Yep The SMTP thing is no longer a problem, The creeping old age is
> slowing me down some though :-)) Thanks to all who helped me solve this
> problem.
>
> Regards, Rene
>
I'm not far behind you Rene. We all get a little slower.

[Sam Hill]

©¿©¬ wrote:

> ©¿©¬ > wrote:
>>©¿©¬ > wrote:
>>>No, I don't like those coloured bars. I prefer the old-style markers
>>>(>)

So change all the colors to ... all black'n'white! But of course that
defeats the purpose of the extension. <shrug>

>>>yourself by downloading it from my 4Shared folder if you like.
>>>
>>>http://www.snip
>>
>>Actually, ignore that and get my more recent update from my Dropbox
>>folder instead. That way you don't need to sign up for a 4Shared account
>>to download it, either.
>>
>>Go here http://dl.dropbox.snip or
>>here http://db.tt/snip
>
> To download it in .rar format instead, go here
> http://dl.dropbox.snip

Why don't you instead tell folks to get it direct from the author? Should
we trust that you are providing the exact same file? The simple posting of
the following link would have sufficed:

<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/quote-colors/>

--
sam

[Sam Hill]

©¿©¬ wrote:

> Sam Hill wrote:
>>©¿©¬ wrote:
>>> ©¿©¬ wrote:
>>>>©¿©¬ wrote:
>>>>>No, I don't like those coloured bars. I prefer the old-style markers
>>>>>(>)
>>
>>So change all the colors to ... all black'n'white! But of course that
>>defeats the purpose of the extension. <shrug>
>
> It changes the colours AND gives you the option of using the old-style
> quote markers (>), which I find to be the best use for this add-on.

Yes, I forgot to mention that. Simply UNcheck the option:

[ ] Enable graphical quoting for plain text messages

>>> To download it in .rar format, go here http://dl.dropbox.snip
>>
>>Why don't you instead tell folks to get it direct from the author?
>
> Because the author hasn't updated it, that's why, so I updated it
> myself.

So rather than post links to a modified file (which some may not trust)
why didn't you just explain how to change the .xpi file for the newer
versions?

<snip>

--
sam

[Sam Hill]

©¿©¬ wrote:

> Sam Hill wrote:
>>So rather than post links to a modified file (which some may not trust)
>>why didn't you just explain how to change the .xpi file for the newer
>>versions?
>
> Because it's a bit long-winded, but here goes.

Thanks.

> 1) Use Winrar to extract the quote_colors-0.3-tb+sm.xpi file to a new,
> empty folder.

...or any zip product, as the .xpi file is simply a zip file, just like if
it had an extension ".zip"

I also seem to remember that newish versions of Fx and Tb don't even
bother to reference that maxVersion parameter any more, so this altering
the .xpi isn't necessary any longer. I'm sure I read that somewhere.

--
sam

[Timothy Daniels[_5_]]

"Sam Hill" > wrote:
> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>
> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>
> It is a terrible application.


I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.

*TimDaniels*

[Dave-UK]

"Timothy Daniels" > wrote in message ...
> "Sam Hill" > wrote:
>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>>
>> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
>> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
>> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
>> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>>
>> It is a terrible application.
>
>
> I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
> from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
> email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
> the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
> Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
> Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
> the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
> when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.
>
> *TimDaniels*

You can set it to bottom-post.
Tools > Options > Advanced > Reply on the bottom of a Message.

[Timothy Daniels[_5_]]

"Dave-UK" pointed out:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "Sam Hill" denigrated WLM:
>>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
>>>> Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.
>>>
>>> No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
>>> messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
>>> trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
>>> and bottom-posting. Unreadable!
>>>
>>> It is a terrible application.
>>
>>
>> I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
>> from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
>> email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
>> the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
>> Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
>> Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
>> the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
>> when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>
> You can set it to bottom-post.
> Tools > Options > Advanced > Reply on the bottom of a Message.


How right you are! Thanks.

*TimDaniels*

[Sam Hill]

Dave-UK wrote:

> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "Sam Hill" wrote:
>>> [about WLM]
>>> It is a terrible application.
>>
>> I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be
>> downloaded from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last
>> "straight" Microsoft email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the
>> distracting colors) and with the ability to have multiple NG accounts
>> and quote with carets just like with Outlook Express.

...though it still has all the faults of OE, it is much better than the new
WLM that so many seem to be using. warts and all.

>> If you just
>> start typing at the default cursor position when Replying, you will
>> top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning the cursor to
>> the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve when
>> transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.
>
> You can set it to bottom-post.
> Tools > Options > Advanced > Reply on the bottom of a Message.

The cursor opens at the top -- where you are supposed to begin *trimming*!
Nothing wrong with that, if you understand why trimming is important.

(Notice how I have trimmed a bit above, including the un-sig-sep'd *Tim
Daniels* signature. <g>)

--
sam

[Timothy Daniels[_5_]]

"Sam Hill" commented:
> The cursor opens at the top -- where you are supposed to begin *trimming*!
> Nothing wrong with that, if you understand why trimming is important.
>
> (Notice how I have trimmed a bit above, including the un-sig-sep'd *Tim
> Daniels* signature. <g>)


Trimming is good, although some posters object and call it "distortion".
I didn't trim much so that anyone could archive a single posting and
understand the thread that led up to the top/bottom tip.

*TimDaniels*