Win8 licence key [Archive]

..winston

November 7th 12, 05:55 AM

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...

...winston wrote:
>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
>> upgraded.

> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
> boot configuration with Windows 8?

In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
(System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)

cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an earlier post of mine)
for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc, upgrade, or full version System Builder)
<qp>
How can I use the software?

OEM
The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...

RETAIL UPGRADE
We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it.
Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
use the software on that computer.

PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it.
Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
outlined under “Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software?”

Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software ?
You may not install the software as an operating system on any
computer except one that you are building for your own use or
as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system

After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
<qp>

Comments:
The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.

--
....winston
msft mvp

Morten Nygaard Åsnes

November 7th 12, 07:31 AM

On 2012-11-06, Dave "Crash" Dummy > wrote:
> ..winston wrote:
>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
>> upgraded.
>
> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
> boot configuration with Windows 8?
>

Legally, you can't do this, as the Windows 7 license is invalid once you
upgrade it to Windows 8. But technicaly I don't think there's any enforcing
of this by Microsoft.

--
Morten Nygaard Åsnes
http://www.twitter.com/mortenaa

Ed Cryer

November 7th 12, 02:05 PM

...winston wrote:
> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
>
> ..winston wrote:
>>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
>>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
>>> upgraded.
>
>> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
>> boot configuration with Windows 8?
>
>
> In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
> (System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
> install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)
>
> cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
> Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an
> earlier post of mine)
> for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc,
> upgrade, or full version System Builder)
> <qp>
> How can I use the software?
>
> OEM
> The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
> you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
> with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...
>
> RETAIL UPGRADE
> We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it.
> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
> use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
> terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
> copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
> use the software on that computer.
>
> PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
> We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it.
> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
> operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
> use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
> machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
> outlined under “Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software?”
>
> Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software ?
> You may not install the software as an operating system on any
> computer except one that you are building for your own use or
> as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
> a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
> computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system
>
> After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
> partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
> The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
> existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
> original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
> rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
> not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
> <qp>
>
> Comments:
> The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
> with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
> successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
> and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.
>

I got my new Win8 Pro.
What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
will that be it? My one and only licence used up?

Ed

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 7th 12, 03:24 PM

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
wrote in article >...
>
> ..winston wrote:
> > "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
> >
> > ..winston wrote:
> >>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
> >>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
> >>> upgraded.
> >
> >> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
> >> boot configuration with Windows 8?
> >
> >
> > In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
> > (System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
> > install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)
> >
> > cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
> > Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an
> > earlier post of mine)
> > for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc,
> > upgrade, or full version System Builder)
> > <qp>
> > How can I use the software?
> >
> > OEM
> > The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
> > you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
> > with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...
> >
> > RETAIL UPGRADE
> > We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
> > Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> > that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
> > use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
> > terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
> > copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
> > use the software on that computer.
> >
> > PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
> > We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
> > Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> > that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
> > operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
> > use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
> > machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
> > outlined under ?Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software??
> >
> > Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software ?
> > You may not install the software as an operating system on any
> > computer except one that you are building for your own use or
> > as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
> > a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
> > computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system
> >
> > After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
> > partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
> > The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
> > existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
> > original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
> > rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
> > not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
> > <qp>
> >
> > Comments:
> > The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
> > with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
> > successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
> > and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.
> >
>
> I got my new Win8 Pro.
> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
>
> Ed

Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
physical PC if you like.

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.

Ed Cryer

November 7th 12, 04:25 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> wrote in article >...
>>
>> ..winston wrote:
>>> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> ..winston wrote:
>>>>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
>>>>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
>>>>> upgraded.
>>>
>>>> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
>>>> boot configuration with Windows 8?
>>>
>>>
>>> In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
>>> (System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
>>> install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)
>>>
>>> cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
>>> Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an
>>> earlier post of mine)
>>> for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc,
>>> upgrade, or full version System Builder)
>>> <qp>
>>> How can I use the software?
>>>
>>> OEM
>>> The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
>>> you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
>>> with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...
>>>
>>> RETAIL UPGRADE
>>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
>>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
>>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
>>> use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
>>> terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
>>> copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
>>> use the software on that computer.
>>>
>>> PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
>>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
>>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
>>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
>>> operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
>>> use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
>>> machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
>>> outlined under ?Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software??
>>>
>>> Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software ?
>>> You may not install the software as an operating system on any
>>> computer except one that you are building for your own use or
>>> as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
>>> a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
>>> computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system
>>>
>>> After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
>>> partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
>>> The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
>>> existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
>>> original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
>>> rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
>>> not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
>>> <qp>
>>>
>>> Comments:
>>> The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
>>> with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
>>> successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
>>> and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.
>>>
>>
>> I got my new Win8 Pro.
>> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
>> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
>>
>> Ed
>
> Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
> license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
> physical PC if you like.
>

How do I do that?

Ed

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 7th 12, 05:44 PM

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:25:19 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
wrote in article >...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> > wrote in article >...
> >>
> >> ..winston wrote:
> >>> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
> >>>
> >>> ..winston wrote:
> >>>>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
> >>>>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
> >>>>> upgraded.
> >>>
> >>>> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
> >>>> boot configuration with Windows 8?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
> >>> (System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
> >>> install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)
> >>>
> >>> cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
> >>> Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an
> >>> earlier post of mine)
> >>> for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc,
> >>> upgrade, or full version System Builder)
> >>> <qp>
> >>> How can I use the software?
> >>>
> >>> OEM
> >>> The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
> >>> you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
> >>> with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...
> >>>
> >>> RETAIL UPGRADE
> >>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
> >>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> >>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
> >>> use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
> >>> terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
> >>> copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
> >>> use the software on that computer.
> >>>
> >>> PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
> >>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
> >>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
> >>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
> >>> operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
> >>> use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
> >>> machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
> >>> outlined under ?Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software??
> >>>
> >>> Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software ?
> >>> You may not install the software as an operating system on any
> >>> computer except one that you are building for your own use or
> >>> as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
> >>> a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
> >>> computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system
> >>>
> >>> After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
> >>> partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
> >>> The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
> >>> existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
> >>> original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
> >>> rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
> >>> not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
> >>> <qp>
> >>>
> >>> Comments:
> >>> The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
> >>> with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
> >>> successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
> >>> and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I got my new Win8 Pro.
> >> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
> >> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
> >>
> >> Ed
> >
> > Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
> > license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
> > physical PC if you like.
> >
>
> How do I do that?
>

http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc

--
Zaphod

"The best Bang since the Big One" - Eccentrica Gallumbits

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

November 7th 12, 09:08 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc

Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
--
Crash

"Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side."
~ Obi-Wan Kenobi ~

Ed Cryer

November 7th 12, 10:52 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:25:19 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> wrote in article >...
>>
>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
>>> wrote in article >...
>>>>
>>>> ..winston wrote:
>>>>> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>> ..winston wrote:
>>>>>>> The key will be yours for use now or in the future. Use of the
>>>>>>> upgrade key will nullify the license for the o/s that is being
>>>>>>> upgraded.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that sucks. What if I want to leave Windows 7 installed in a dual
>>>>>> boot configuration with Windows 8?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In MSFT speak, it would appear the Personal User License
>>>>> (System Builder) is the only version granting a license to
>>>>> install in a separate partition (i.e. dual boot scenario)
>>>>>
>>>>> cf. [Quoted from an earlier post on mine]
>>>>> Here's the relevant information from the MSFT EULA (quoted from an
>>>>> earlier post of mine)
>>>>> for each type of Win8 media and how obtained (e.g OEM pre-built pc,
>>>>> upgrade, or full version System Builder)
>>>>> <qp>
>>>>> How can I use the software?
>>>>>
>>>>> OEM
>>>>> The software is licensed, not sold.Under this agreement, we grant
>>>>> you the right to install and run one copy only on the computer
>>>>> with which you acquired the software (the licensed computer)...
>>>>>
>>>>> RETAIL UPGRADE
>>>>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
>>>>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
>>>>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for
>>>>> use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
>>>>> terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one
>>>>> copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can
>>>>> use the software on that computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
>>>>> We do not sell our software or your copy of it ? we only license it.
>>>>> Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
>>>>> that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the
>>>>> operating system on a computer that you build for your personal
>>>>> use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual
>>>>> machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions
>>>>> outlined under ?Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software??
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there things I?m not allowed to do with the software ?
>>>>> You may not install the software as an operating system on any
>>>>> computer except one that you are building for your own use or
>>>>> as an operating system running on a local virtual machine or
>>>>> a separate partition. You may not install the software on a
>>>>> computer that is running a non-genuine Windows operating system
>>>>>
>>>>> After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate
>>>>> partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
>>>>> The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your
>>>>> existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
>>>>> original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any
>>>>> rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
>>>>> not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
>>>>> <qp>
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments:
>>>>> The above does not preclude the technical ability to dual boot
>>>>> with an upgrade version (from what I can see, some have
>>>>> successfully reported doing so)...but depending upon your system
>>>>> and whatever constraints it may have, ymmv.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got my new Win8 Pro.
>>>> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
>>>> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
>>> license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
>>> physical PC if you like.
>>>
>>
>> How do I do that?
>>
>
> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>

Cool!

What would happen to the system then? I suppose it would go into
"illegal copy of Windows" mode.

Ed

..winston

November 8th 12, 02:00 AM

"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
wrote in article >...

>> I got my new Win8 Pro.
>> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
>> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
>

> Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
> license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
> physical PC if you like.

Technically...
There are no full retail licenses for Win8 like there were for Win7 and earlier. In the past retail versions of Windows and OEM
System Builder version were available.

For Win8 there are
- OEM (preinstalled by the OEM on pc's sold to the end customer) - 32 or 64 bit
- Retail (only upgrades) - 32 and 64 bit
- Personal Use (System Builder 32 or 64 bit)

Thus the only licenses in MSFT terms/speak for virtual or partition use are the latter (System Builder) but only one copy in use at
a time.

As noted previously, none of the above precludes the technical ability (not legality) to achieve some other end means.

--
....winston

charlie[_2_]

November 8th 12, 04:46 AM

On 11/7/2012 9:00 PM, ..winston wrote:
>
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> wrote in article >...
>
>>> I got my new Win8 Pro.
>>> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
>>> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
>>
>
>> Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
>> license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
>> physical PC if you like.
>
> Technically...
> There are no full retail licenses for Win8 like there were for Win7 and
> earlier. In the past retail versions of Windows and OEM System Builder
> version were available.
>
> For Win8 there are
> - OEM (preinstalled by the OEM on pc's sold to the end customer) - 32
> or 64 bit
> - Retail (only upgrades) - 32 and 64 bit
> - Personal Use (System Builder 32 or 64 bit)
>
> Thus the only licenses in MSFT terms/speak for virtual or partition use
> are the latter (System Builder) but only one copy in use at a time.
>
> As noted previously, none of the above precludes the technical ability
> (not legality) to achieve some other end means.
>

In some cases in the past (don't know about current ones) locales in the
US had what was called a sheriff's sale of abandoned or tax due property
or items. Such a sale transferred complete ownership of the property to
the purchasers. Since the property is sold by "absolute" sale, it would
seem to make the license restrictions not applicable. (It had been known
to happen in the past.)

..winston

November 8th 12, 07:07 AM

"charlie" wrote in message ...

>
In some cases in the past (don't know about current ones) locales in the
US had what was called a sheriff's sale of abandoned or tax due property
or items. Such a sale transferred complete ownership of the property to
the purchasers. Since the property is sold by "absolute" sale, it would
seem to make the license restrictions not applicable. (It had been known
to happen in the past.)
>

No. Acquisition doesn't preempt legality of licensing since the sale/transfer recipient inherits the constraints agreed upon on
installation/use of the prior owner and in doing so does not provide a waiver of liability. The difficulty arises when the
recipient cannot determine or not aware of the foundation of the prior agreement - yet inability or ignorance is not sufficient to
invalidate the previous agreement thus the licensor continues to have the right to require conformance to the licensing use
constraints. Enforcement of that right then remains the responsibility of the licensor and conformance to the license the
responsibility of the licensee.

As noted previously, none of the above precludes the technical ability (not legality) to achieve some other end means.

....winston
msft mvp

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 12:42 PM

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> > you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>
> Unwrapped:
> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm too
paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being paranoid
if they really are out to get you...)

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 12:44 PM

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:52:34 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
wrote in article >...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:25:19 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> > wrote in article >...
> >>
> >> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer" >
> >>> wrote in article >...
> >>>>
> >>>> I got my new Win8 Pro.
> >>>> What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
> >>>> will that be it? My one and only licence used up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
> >>> license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
> >>> physical PC if you like.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How do I do that?
> >>
> >
> > http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> > you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> >
>
> Cool!
>
> What would happen to the system then? I suppose it would go into
> "illegal copy of Windows" mode.
>

It probably depends on how long it has been since the last time the key
was validated. As I understand it, there is a reset period after which
MS will validate the key without complaint on completely different
hardware.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

November 8th 12, 02:12 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> > wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
> email.me>...
>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
>>> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>> Unwrapped:
>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
>
> Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
> also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
> know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
> too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
> paranoid if they really are out to get you...)
>

Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
--
Crash

Atheism is a matter of faith, too.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 02:46 PM

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> wrote in article <k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> > > wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
> > email.me>...
> >> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> >>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> >>> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> >> Unwrapped:
> >> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> >> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
> >
> > Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
> > also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
> > know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
> > too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
> > paranoid if they really are out to get you...)
> >
>
> Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
> verification to forward the request.
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
versions of those in use either.

Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
OK with that. :-)

--
Zaphod

Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

November 8th 12, 03:56 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> > wrote in article <k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
> email.me>...
>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
>>> > wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
>>> email.me>...
>>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
>>>>> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>>>> Unwrapped:
>>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
>>> Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
>>> also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
>>> know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
>>> too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
>>> paranoid if they really are out to get you...)
>>>
>> Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
>> verification to forward the request.
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
>
> Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
> about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
> preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
> services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
> versions of those in use either.
>
> Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
> OK with that. :-)

Then don't post broken URL's.
--
Crash

"Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness."
~ Leroy Jethro Gibbs ~

Leala

November 8th 12, 04:00 PM

On 08-Nov-2012 10:56, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
>> > wrote in article <k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
>> email.me>...
>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
>>>> > wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
>>>> email.me>...
>>>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>>>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
>>>>>> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>>>>> Unwrapped:
>>>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
>>>> Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
>>>> also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
>>>> know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
>>>> too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
>>>> paranoid if they really are out to get you...)
>>>>
>>> Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
>>> verification to forward the request.
>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
>>
>> Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
>> about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use
>> the preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
>> services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
>> versions of those in use either.
>>
>> Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
>> OK with that. :-)
>
> Then don't post broken URL's.

+1

--
Leala.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 05:45 PM

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:56:53 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> wrote in article <k7gko5$iun$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> > > wrote in article <k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
> > email.me>...
> >> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
> >>> > wrote in article <k7eike$cid$1@dont-
> >>> email.me>...
> >>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> >>>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> >>>>> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> >>>> Unwrapped:
> >>>> http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
> >>> Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
> >>> also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
> >>> know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
> >>> too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
> >>> paranoid if they really are out to get you...)
> >>>
> >> Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
> >> verification to forward the request.
> >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
> >
> > Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
> > about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
> > preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
> > services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
> > versions of those in use either.
> >
> > Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
> > OK with that. :-)
>
> Then don't post broken URL's.

Seriously? If someone can't figure out how to join a URL broken across
two lines, then I feel sorry for them but I'm not going to worry about
it.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

XS11E

November 8th 12, 06:31 PM

"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > wrote:

> Then don't post broken URL's.

There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
wait, you're using Thunderburp.... <GD&R>

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Gene E. Bloch[_5_]

November 8th 12, 06:52 PM

On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > wrote:

>> Then don't post broken URL's.

> There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
> wait, you're using Thunderburp.... <GD&R>

It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.

I suspect it was sent in pieces.

There are those who say if you put angle brackets around a link it
won't break, as in this test (using ZB's original):

<http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>

"Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when they
are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics, e.g., bra and
ket.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

XS11E

November 8th 12, 08:26 PM

Gene E. Bloch > wrote:

> On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
>> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > wrote:
>
>>> Then don't post broken URL's.
>
>> There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader...
>> oh, wait, you're using Thunderburp.... <GD&R>
>
> It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.
>
> I suspect it was sent in pieces.

It was, Xnews read it with no problem, just one more reason I use it.

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

XS11E

November 8th 12, 08:43 PM

Zaphod Beeblebrox > wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
>> "Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when
>> they are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics,
>> e.g., bra and ket.
>
> I think I tried that but just in case:
>
> <http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-s
> o- you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>

Didn't work, arrived wrapped. As always, not a problem for Xnews....

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Gadfly[_2_]

November 8th 12, 09:17 PM

The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.

Product Activation - http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/ProductActivation.htm

"Ed Cryer" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking of buying a copy of Win8 while it's still cheap. I won't use
> it until necessary as I like Win7.
>
> How long will the key last for an install?
>
> Ed

Ken Blake[_4_]

November 8th 12, 09:34 PM

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:17:14 -0000, "Gadfly" >
wrote:

> The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
> using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
> on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
> licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
> came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
> that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
> Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.

Microsoft doesn't want to be convinced of that. As far as they're
concerned, if it's a different motherboard, it's a different computer.

--
Ken Blake

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 09:40 PM

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> wrote in article <ag2dc6F9torU1
@mid.individual.net>...
>
> On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
> > "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > wrote:
>
> >> Then don't post broken URL's.
>
> > There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
> > wait, you're using Thunderburp.... <GD&R>
>
> It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.
>
> I suspect it was sent in pieces.
>
> There are those who say if you put angle brackets around a link it
> won't break, as in this test (using ZB's original):
>
> <http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>
>
> "Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when they
> are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics, e.g., bra and
> ket.

I think I tried that but just in case:

<http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 8th 12, 09:49 PM

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:40:48 -0500, "Zaphod Beeblebrox"
> wrote in article
>...
>
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> > wrote in article <ag2dc6F9torU1
> @mid.individual.net>...
> >
> > On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
> > > "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > wrote:
> >
> > >> Then don't post broken URL's.
> >
> > > There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
> > > wait, you're using Thunderburp.... <GD&R>
> >
> > It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.
> >
> > I suspect it was sent in pieces.
> >
> > There are those who say if you put angle brackets around a link it
> > won't break, as in this test (using ZB's original):
> >
> > <http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>
> >
> > "Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when they
> > are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics, e.g., bra and
> > ket.
>
> I think I tried that but just in case:
>
> <http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-
> you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>

Oh well. Funny that Gravity preserves the long lines in quoted
material (and asks me if it is OK to post them) but doesn't seem to
have a way to let me enter one myself.

--
Zaphod

The secret of flying is to hurl yourself to the ground, and miss.

..winston

November 9th 12, 06:21 AM

Upgrades are the only retail versions and nullify the prior o/s license. To put it on 2-11 one needs to install the prior o/s and
activate before Win8 can be reinstalled.

OEM version are strictly sold via pc manufacturers (e.g. Dell, HP, etc.) and only for use on that pc.

Personal Use (System Builder) versions replace the previous o/s retail full versions and the OEM System builder full version.
(i.e. Stand-alone full retail versions from MSFT or OEM stand-alone full versions like they were in the past for Win7 and earlier
o/s will not be available). The personal use version is intended for virtual environment, separate partition (e.g. dual boot), or
personally built pc (they can be used for clean installs or upgrades)

--
....winston
msft mvp

"Gadfly" wrote in message o.uk...

The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.

Product Activation - http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/ProductActivation.htm

"Ed Cryer" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking of buying a copy of Win8 while it's still cheap. I won't use it until necessary as I like Win7.
>
> How long will the key last for an install?
>
> Ed

John Doe

November 9th 12, 07:19 AM

But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody buys
the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft has
offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices with
fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its (real)
products to maintain its grip on its desktop software monopolies.
Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have nothing to do
with demand.

--

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>
> Upgrades are the only retail versions and nullify the prior o/s license. To put it on 2-11 one needs to install the prior o/s and
> activate before Win8 can be reinstalled.
>
> OEM version are strictly sold via pc manufacturers (e.g. Dell, HP, etc.) and only for use on that pc.
>
> Personal Use (System Builder) versions replace the previous o/s retail full versions and the OEM System builder full version.
> (i.e. Stand-alone full retail versions from MSFT or OEM stand-alone full versions like they were in the past for Win7 and earlier
> o/s will not be available). The personal use version is intended for virtual environment, separate partition (e.g. dual boot), or
> personally built pc (they can be used for clean installs or upgrades)
>
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> msft mvp
>
>
> "Gadfly" wrote in message o.uk...
>
> The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
> using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
> on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
> licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
> came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
> that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
> Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.
>
> Product Activation - http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/ProductActivation.htm
>
>
> "Ed Cryer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm thinking of buying a copy of Win8 while it's still cheap. I won't use it until necessary as I like Win7.
>>
>> How long will the key last for an install?
>>
>> Ed
>
>
>

Ed Cryer

November 9th 12, 12:10 PM

John Doe wrote:
> But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
> for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody buys
> the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft has
> offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices with
> fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its (real)
> products to maintain its grip on its desktop software monopolies.
> Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have nothing to do
> with demand.
>

I bought the retail package at Staples the other day. I was talking to
the salesman about how things had been going and he said that Win8 had
been "flowing through here like a river".

Ed

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

November 9th 12, 01:56 PM

Ed Cryer wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
>> for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody buys
>> the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft has
>> offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices with
>> fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its (real)
>> products to maintain its grip on its desktop software monopolies.
>> Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have nothing to do
>> with demand.
>>
>
> I bought the retail package at Staples the other day. I was talking to
> the salesman about how things had been going and he said that Win8 had
> been "flowing through here like a river".

A Google search for "Windows 8 desktop popularity" gives a less
enthusiastic view.
--
Crash

"The best argument against democracy is
a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
~ Winston Churchill ~

Zaphod Beeblebrox

November 9th 12, 02:19 PM

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:43:14 -0700, "XS11E" >
wrote in article >...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
> >> "Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when
> >> they are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics,
> >> e.g., bra and ket.
> >
> > I think I tried that but just in case:
> >
> > <http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-s
> > o- you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc>
>
> Didn't work, arrived wrapped.

Yup, I noticed.

> As always, not a problem for Xnews....

I'm happy for you. I tried Xnews and absolutely hated it so that's not
going to happen.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

Ed Cryer

November 9th 12, 02:23 PM

Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
>>> for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody buys
>>> the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft has
>>> offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices with
>>> fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its (real)
>>> products to maintain its grip on its desktop software monopolies.
>>> Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have nothing to do
>>> with demand.
>>>
>>
>> I bought the retail package at Staples the other day. I was talking to
>> the salesman about how things had been going and he said that Win8 had
>> been "flowing through here like a river".
>
> A Google search for "Windows 8 desktop popularity" gives a less
> enthusiastic view.

Try "Windows 8 sales figures". Here's one hit;
http://tinyurl.com/aj2wc4u

Ed

--
P.S. Did Churchill really say that about democracy?
He was already a hero of mine; doubly so now.

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

November 9th 12, 04:29 PM

Ed Cryer wrote:
> Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
>> Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>> But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
>>>> for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody
>>>> buys the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft
>>>> has offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices
>>>> with fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its
>>>> (real) products to maintain its grip on its desktop software
>>>> monopolies. Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have
>>>> nothing to do with demand.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I bought the retail package at Staples the other day. I was
>>> talking to the salesman about how things had been going and he
>>> said that Win8 had been "flowing through here like a river".
>>
>> A Google search for "Windows 8 desktop popularity" gives a less
>> enthusiastic view.
>
> Try "Windows 8 sales figures". Here's one hit;
> http://tinyurl.com/aj2wc4u

Here's another, using that same search phrase:
http://techland.time.com/2012/10/26/how-to-tell-if-windows-8-is-succeeding/

Also, I am referring specifically to desktop PC's. Windows 8 might be a
blockbuster on tablets.
--
Crash

"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth."
~ Otto von Bismarck ~

..winston

November 9th 12, 09:06 PM

That wasn't the point...the terminology in MSFT speak has changed.

OEM versions are preinstalled by the pc manufacturer
Retail versions are upgrade versions
Personal Use-System Builder versions are full versions and replace prior o/s 'Retail' and 'OEM' full versions.

Third party retailers are still marketing the System Builder versions as OEM when in fact they are really 'Personal Use System
Builder' full versions.

Here's the MSFT nomenclature for each.
<qp>

OEM

RETAIL UPGRADE

PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO

</qp>

Additionally, one can no longer purchase a full version
that includes both 32 bit and 64 bit versions (the prior
o/s full retail version did provide both). The Personal Use
versions (like prior OEM full versions) include 32 or 64 bit, not both.

--
....winston
msft mvp

"John Doe" wrote in message ...

But in fact... Windows OEM versions have been sold to end users
for ages, and Microsoft has always known that. Almost nobody buys
the retail full versions, and the main reason Microsoft has
offered them has to do with pretending to relate its prices with
fair market value. But in fact, Microsoft prices its (real)
products to maintain its grip on its desktop software monopolies.
Microsoft's operating system prices obviously have nothing to do
with demand.

--

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> Upgrades are the only retail versions and nullify the prior o/s license. To put it on 2-11 one needs to install the prior o/s and
> activate before Win8 can be reinstalled.
>
> OEM version are strictly sold via pc manufacturers (e.g. Dell, HP, etc.) and only for use on that pc.
>
> Personal Use (System Builder) versions replace the previous o/s retail full versions and the OEM System builder full version.
> (i.e. Stand-alone full retail versions from MSFT or OEM stand-alone full versions like they were in the past for Win7 and earlier
> o/s will not be available). The personal use version is intended for virtual environment, separate partition (e.g. dual boot), or
> personally built pc (they can be used for clean installs or upgrades)
>
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> msft mvp
>
>
> "Gadfly" wrote in message o.uk...
>
> The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
> using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
> on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
> licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
> came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
> that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
> Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.
>
> Product Activation - http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/ProductActivation.htm
>
>
> "Ed Cryer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm thinking of buying a copy of Win8 while it's still cheap. I won't use it until necessary as I like Win7.
>>
>> How long will the key last for an install?
>>
>> Ed
>
>
>