New problem

[Gordon]

I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
morning. What can I try next? Gordon

[Rene Lamontagne[_2_]]

On 11/18/2012 3:40 PM, Gordon wrote:
> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
> morning. What can I try next? Gordon
>
You might try a program called decrapifier which is meant to remove all
of this preinstalled crap.

Regards, Rene

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/18/2012, Gordon posted:
> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
> morning. What can I try next? Gordon

I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in safe
mode, and rerunning the program from there.

By "I would try", I mean just that. If it were my situation, that's
what I would do. I wouldn't be sure if it would work for me, and
obviously I can't be sure it would work for you, so it amounts to the
best (only?) idea I can offer.

Others might know better, so maybe you'll get a more certain reply
eventually.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/18/2012, Gene E. Bloch posted:
> On 11/18/2012, Gordon posted:
>> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
>> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
>> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
>> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
>> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
>> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
>> morning. What can I try next? Gordon

> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in safe mode,
> and rerunning the program from there.

> By "I would try", I mean just that. If it were my situation, that's what I
> would do. I wouldn't be sure if it would work for me, and obviously I can't
> be sure it would work for you, so it amounts to the best (only?) idea I can
> offer.

> Others might know better, so maybe you'll get a more certain reply
> eventually.

One other idea comes to mind. Search the Symantec site for a different,
more specifically tailored, version of the Symantec Removal Tool.

I think Removal Tool is the best search term on their site; maybe all
three words - or even Symantec Removal Tool Windows 8 - would be good
on Google. Or use Norton instead of Symantec.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gordon]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> wrote:

>On 11/18/2012, Gordon posted:
>> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
>> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
>> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
>> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
>> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
>> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
>> morning. What can I try next? Gordon
>
>I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in safe
>mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>
>By "I would try", I mean just that. If it were my situation, that's
>what I would do. I wouldn't be sure if it would work for me, and
>obviously I can't be sure it would work for you, so it amounts to the
>best (only?) idea I can offer.
>
>Others might know better, so maybe you'll get a more certain reply
>eventually.
>
I tried to figure out how to start Windows 8 in safe mode but these
new desktops and confusion screens have me stalled out, here. Is there
a simple way to do this?

Another question along this line...the first time I started this new
computer the desktop screen showed the conventional Start button at
the lower left, but when I went from the desktop background screen to
the start screen and did some other thngs then came back to the
desktop screen the Start button was gone from the task bar and I've
not been able to find it, since. Any idea as to how I could get it
back and pin it to the task bar? Gordon

[Joe Morris]

"Gordon" > wrote:

> Another question along this line...the first time I started this new
> computer the desktop screen showed the conventional Start button at
> the lower left, but when I went from the desktop background screen to
> the start screen and did some other thngs then came back to the
> desktop screen the Start button was gone from the task bar and I've
> not been able to find it, since. Any idea as to how I could get it
> back and pin it to the task bar? Gordon

Uninstall Windows 8 and reinstall an earlier Windows version. Seriously.

Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, decided that the START button on the
desktop was too useful a feature, so it was removed in Windows 8. In its
place you have the smartphone-on-steroids start window, which is probably
useful to consumers of information when using a touchscreen tablet but is a
disaster for lots of people.

There are several third-party tools that claim to return the START button to
its proper place on the Windows 8 desktop. I have no opinion about any of
them, good or bad, but other posters here seem to have had good luck with
them.

Joe

[Paul]

Gordon wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> > wrote:
>
>> On 11/18/2012, Gordon posted:
>>> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
>>> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
>>> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
>>> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
>>> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
>>> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
>>> morning. What can I try next? Gordon
>> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in safe
>> mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>>
>> By "I would try", I mean just that. If it were my situation, that's
>> what I would do. I wouldn't be sure if it would work for me, and
>> obviously I can't be sure it would work for you, so it amounts to the
>> best (only?) idea I can offer.
>>
>> Others might know better, so maybe you'll get a more certain reply
>> eventually.
>>
> I tried to figure out how to start Windows 8 in safe mode but these
> new desktops and confusion screens have me stalled out, here. Is there
> a simple way to do this?
>
> Another question along this line...the first time I started this new
> computer the desktop screen showed the conventional Start button at
> the lower left, but when I went from the desktop background screen to
> the start screen and did some other thngs then came back to the
> desktop screen the Start button was gone from the task bar and I've
> not been able to find it, since. Any idea as to how I could get it
> back and pin it to the task bar? Gordon

There is a suggestion here, to add a Safe Mode entry to your operating
system menu. But this will likely alter the appearance of your startup
process as well, adding one additional step. In addition, to be offered
this choice, you need to do a "complete shutdown" before doing so.
That's to avoid the kernel hibernation state, interfering with your
ability to get into Safe Mode.

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-enable-windows-8-safe-mode/

(Some background on "Complete Shutdown". That is, if you seem to be
stuck in a loop, where you can't get an opportunity to use Safe Mode.
Again, using this info, may make some changes to your regular system
behavior.)

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/perform-a-complete-shutdown-in-windows-8/

*******

If you want the appearance of a previous Windows OS, you can use this.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/features.html

If you wish to do it without third party software, then there are
ideas like this, to perhaps drop you into the Desktop at startup
(after the login screen perhaps).

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/bypass-windows-8-start-screen-to-jump-directly-to-desktop-on-startup/

The point is, it's still early after launch of Windows 8, but you're
likely to find a recipe for most of the "teething problems" of Win8.

Paul

[BillW50]

On 11/18/2012 7:32 PM, Joe Morris wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> Another question along this line...the first time I started this new
>> computer the desktop screen showed the conventional Start button at
>> the lower left, but when I went from the desktop background screen to
>> the start screen and did some other thngs then came back to the
>> desktop screen the Start button was gone from the task bar and I've
>> not been able to find it, since. Any idea as to how I could get it
>> back and pin it to the task bar? Gordon
>
> Uninstall Windows 8 and reinstall an earlier Windows version. Seriously.
>
> Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, decided that the START button on the
> desktop was too useful a feature, so it was removed in Windows 8. In its
> place you have the smartphone-on-steroids start window, which is probably
> useful to consumers of information when using a touchscreen tablet but is a
> disaster for lots of people.
>
> There are several third-party tools that claim to return the START button to
> its proper place on the Windows 8 desktop. I have no opinion about any of
> them, good or bad, but other posters here seem to have had good luck with
> them.
>
> Joe

I didn't like Windows 8 at first when I installed it back in March. And
yes, I too added a Start Button, although I use Aston Shell that adds
this and a number of other useful things I now can't live without. Thus
I use both the Start button and the Windows 8 Start Screen. And I am at
the point where I don't care which method I use anymore.

The hard thing for me about Windows 8 is they also removed gadgets. They
had them in Windows 8 CP. Luckily Aston Shell uses widgets (very much
like gadgets). And they still work under Windows 8. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[mechanic]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in
> safe mode, and rerunning the program from there.

Safe mode in Windows8? Where?

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:00:19 -0500, Paul > wrote:

>Gordon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/18/2012, Gordon posted:
>>>> I downloaded the Norton Removal Tool to my download folder than
>>>> initiated it. The process seems to have stalled out for some reason. I
>>>> still have the Norton Start Button in the right end of my task bar and
>>>> the Norton Removal Tool in my download folder can not be deleted. I
>>>> get an error message saying that it is running and can not be deleted
>>>> until it finishes. This has been going on since about 10 AM this
>>>> morning. What can I try next? Gordon
>>> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in safe
>>> mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>>>
>>> By "I would try", I mean just that. If it were my situation, that's
>>> what I would do. I wouldn't be sure if it would work for me, and
>>> obviously I can't be sure it would work for you, so it amounts to the
>>> best (only?) idea I can offer.
>>>
>>> Others might know better, so maybe you'll get a more certain reply
>>> eventually.
>>>
>> I tried to figure out how to start Windows 8 in safe mode but these
>> new desktops and confusion screens have me stalled out, here. Is there
>> a simple way to do this?
>>
>> Another question along this line...the first time I started this new
>> computer the desktop screen showed the conventional Start button at
>> the lower left, but when I went from the desktop background screen to
>> the start screen and did some other thngs then came back to the
>> desktop screen the Start button was gone from the task bar and I've
>> not been able to find it, since. Any idea as to how I could get it
>> back and pin it to the task bar? Gordon
>
>There is a suggestion here, to add a Safe Mode entry to your operating
>system menu. But this will likely alter the appearance of your startup
>process as well, adding one additional step. In addition, to be offered
>this choice, you need to do a "complete shutdown" before doing so.
>That's to avoid the kernel hibernation state, interfering with your
>ability to get into Safe Mode.
>
>http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-enable-windows-8-safe-mode/
>
>(Some background on "Complete Shutdown". That is, if you seem to be
>stuck in a loop, where you can't get an opportunity to use Safe Mode.
>Again, using this info, may make some changes to your regular system
>behavior.)
>
>http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/perform-a-complete-shutdown-in-windows-8/
>
>*******
>
>If you want the appearance of a previous Windows OS, you can use this.
>
>http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/features.html
>
>If you wish to do it without third party software, then there are
>ideas like this, to perhaps drop you into the Desktop at startup
>(after the login screen perhaps).
>
>http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/bypass-windows-8-start-screen-to-jump-directly-to-desktop-on-startup/
>
>The point is, it's still early after launch of Windows 8, but you're
>likely to find a recipe for most of the "teething problems" of Win8.
>
> Paul
>
I know what you mean, here, Paul, and I'm SLOWLY coming around. I hope
to learn most of the new tricks associated with Windows 8 and
eventually be able to work with it without the clutter of add-ons.
Gordon

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:49 +0000, "mechanic" > wrote in article
>...
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
> > I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in
> > safe mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>
> Safe mode in Windows8? Where?

http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/how-to-boot-into-safe-mode-on-windows-8-the-easy-way/

--
Zaphod

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt

[Paul]

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:49 +0000, "mechanic" > wrote in article
> >...
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>
>>> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in
>>> safe mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>> Safe mode in Windows8? Where?
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/how-to-boot-into-safe-mode-on-windows-8-the-easy-way/
>

Yeah, how could you forget a sequence like that ? :-)

I think landing a jumbo jet, is one step shorter than that.

Paul

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/19/2012, Paul posted:
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:49 +0000, "mechanic" > wrote
>> in article >...
>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in
>>>> safe mode, and rerunning the program from there.
>>> Safe mode in Windows8? Where?
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/how-to-boot-into-safe-mode-on-windows-8-the-easy-way/
>>

> Yeah, how could you forget a sequence like that ? :-)

> I think landing a jumbo jet, is one step shorter than that.

> Paul

The idea behind such sequences is that anything that is too easy will
make us complacent. The difficult methods keep us mentally alert and of
course prevent complacency.

I'm reminded of items I have seen where zoo keepers give the polar
bears their fish inside of ice blocks instead of naked, so as to keep
them from getting bored. They also do things like that for other
critters.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:04:57 -0500, "Paul" > wrote in
article >...
>
> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:49 +0000, "mechanic" > wrote in article
> > >...
> >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:52 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would try turning the computer off (yes, manually), rebooting in
> >>> safe mode, and rerunning the program from there.
> >> Safe mode in Windows8? Where?
> >
> > http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/how-to-boot-into-safe-mode-on-windows-8-the-easy-way/
> >
>
> Yeah, how could you forget a sequence like that ? :-)
>
> I think landing a jumbo jet, is one step shorter than that.
>

I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
blind man's house...

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/19/2012, Zaphod Beeblebrox posted:
> I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
> things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
> blind man's house...

I had a friend, now deceased, who was legally, but not totally, blind.
If you wanted to experience wild[1] range from him, you could rearrange
anything, even at an event that wasn't at his home, and even when your
intentions were good.

He was part of a group of people who met for lunch at a buffet. The
people who ran it would occasionally change the locations of some of
the items. He wasn't happy. Usually one or another of us accompanied
him in the line, so it mostly worked out OK.

[1] I started, not intentionally, to say blind rage, but when I woke
up, I decided that mentioning it this footnote was more than enough...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[BillW50]

On 11/19/2012 4:08 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On 11/19/2012, Zaphod Beeblebrox posted:
>> I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
>> things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
>> blind man's house...
>
> I had a friend, now deceased, who was legally, but not totally, blind.
> If you wanted to experience wild[1] range from him, you could rearrange
> anything, even at an event that wasn't at his home, and even when your
> intentions were good.
>
> He was part of a group of people who met for lunch at a buffet. The
> people who ran it would occasionally change the locations of some of the
> items. He wasn't happy. Usually one or another of us accompanied him in
> the line, so it mostly worked out OK.
>
> [1] I started, not intentionally, to say blind rage, but when I woke up,
> I decided that mentioning it this footnote was more than enough...

Sounds like me when they rearrange the grocery store, which they do
constantly. Funny, we are using Windows 8 which they also rearranged
everything too. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/19/2012, BillW50 posted:
> On 11/19/2012 4:08 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On 11/19/2012, Zaphod Beeblebrox posted:
>>> I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
>>> things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
>>> blind man's house...
>>
>> I had a friend, now deceased, who was legally, but not totally, blind.
>> If you wanted to experience wild[1] range from him, you could rearrange
>> anything, even at an event that wasn't at his home, and even when your
>> intentions were good.
>>
>> He was part of a group of people who met for lunch at a buffet. The
>> people who ran it would occasionally change the locations of some of the
>> items. He wasn't happy. Usually one or another of us accompanied him in
>> the line, so it mostly worked out OK.
>>
>> [1] I started, not intentionally, to say blind rage, but when I woke up,
>> I decided that mentioning it this footnote was more than enough...

> Sounds like me when they rearrange the grocery store, which they do
> constantly. Funny, we are using Windows 8 which they also rearranged
> everything too. :-(

It *is* pretty weird to go over to the cereal counter and find that
you're looking at dish detergent.

That's also true in the grocery store :-)

The above is my slightly warped attempt at humor, for which I probably
should - but won't - apologize.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Robin Bignall]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:35:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> wrote:

>On 11/19/2012, BillW50 posted:
>> On 11/19/2012 4:08 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>> On 11/19/2012, Zaphod Beeblebrox posted:
>>>> I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
>>>> things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
>>>> blind man's house...
>>>
>>> I had a friend, now deceased, who was legally, but not totally, blind.
>>> If you wanted to experience wild[1] range from him, you could rearrange
>>> anything, even at an event that wasn't at his home, and even when your
>>> intentions were good.
>>>
>>> He was part of a group of people who met for lunch at a buffet. The
>>> people who ran it would occasionally change the locations of some of the
>>> items. He wasn't happy. Usually one or another of us accompanied him in
>>> the line, so it mostly worked out OK.
>>>
>>> [1] I started, not intentionally, to say blind rage, but when I woke up,
>>> I decided that mentioning it this footnote was more than enough...
>
>> Sounds like me when they rearrange the grocery store, which they do
>> constantly. Funny, we are using Windows 8 which they also rearranged
>> everything too. :-(
>
>It *is* pretty weird to go over to the cereal counter and find that
>you're looking at dish detergent.
>
>That's also true in the grocery store :-)
>
>The above is my slightly warped attempt at humor, for which I probably
>should - but won't - apologize.

Supermarkets do it regularly here, too, to force you to visit every
aisle and hope you'll impulse buy. I already have too many impulses.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

[Gene E. Bloch[_5_]]

On 11/19/2012, Robin Bignall posted:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:35:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> > wrote:

>> On 11/19/2012, BillW50 posted:
>>> On 11/19/2012 4:08 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>> On 11/19/2012, Zaphod Beeblebrox posted:
>>>>> I know, right? It is almost like they don't want you to be able to do
>>>>> things you already know how to do - like rearranging the furniture in a
>>>>> blind man's house...
>>>>
>>>> I had a friend, now deceased, who was legally, but not totally, blind.
>>>> If you wanted to experience wild[1] range from him, you could rearrange
>>>> anything, even at an event that wasn't at his home, and even when your
>>>> intentions were good.
>>>>
>>>> He was part of a group of people who met for lunch at a buffet. The
>>>> people who ran it would occasionally change the locations of some of the
>>>> items. He wasn't happy. Usually one or another of us accompanied him in
>>>> the line, so it mostly worked out OK.
>>>>
>>>> [1] I started, not intentionally, to say blind rage, but when I woke up,
>>>> I decided that mentioning it this footnote was more than enough...
>>> Sounds like me when they rearrange the grocery store, which they do
>>> constantly. Funny, we are using Windows 8 which they also rearranged
>>> everything too. :-(
>>
>> It *is* pretty weird to go over to the cereal counter and find that
>> you're looking at dish detergent.
>>
>> That's also true in the grocery store :-)
>>
>> The above is my slightly warped attempt at humor, for which I probably
>> should - but won't - apologize.

> Supermarkets do it regularly here, too, to force you to visit every
> aisle and hope you'll impulse buy. I already have too many impulses.

Same here, but not in grocery stores :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)