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Pete
November 20th 12, 06:19 PM
Trying to find an activated copy of Windows Server 2012 for some home testing, very interested in a low powered Windows OS to run some applications on a home network.

Can anyone recommend somewhere to download it? Tried all the usual torrent locations.


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BillW50
November 20th 12, 10:52 PM
On 11/20/2012 3:30 PM, wrote:
> Please suggest a better newsreader, I searched google but almost all of
> them are geared for downloading TV, Movies, etc. A portable app would also
> be a bonus.

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable

It doesn't say newsreader per se, but it does that too.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

No Name
November 20th 12, 11:16 PM
BillW50 > wrote:
> On 11/20/2012 3:30 PM, wrote:
>> Please suggest a better newsreader, I searched google but almost all of
>> them are geared for downloading TV, Movies, etc. A portable app would also
>> be a bonus.
>
> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable
>
> It doesn't say newsreader per se, but it does that too.


Thanks Bill. Ill give it a try tomorrow.

Gene Wirchenko
November 20th 12, 11:29 PM
On 20 Nov 2012 21:30:26 GMT, > wrote:

[snip]

>Please suggest a better newsreader, I searched google but almost all of
>them are geared for downloading TV, Movies, etc. A portable app would also
>be a bonus.

Forte Agent.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Pete
November 21st 12, 12:05 AM
On 20/11/2012 22:29, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On 20 Nov 2012 21:30:26 GMT, > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Please suggest a better newsreader, I searched google but almost all of
>> them are geared for downloading TV, Movies, etc. A portable app would also
>> be a bonus.
>
> Forte Agent.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>

Thanks Gene. I'm currently using the Thunderbird portable and it's just
what I was after. I've installed it on my portable USB 3.0 drive so I
can keep up to date on whichever device I am using.

Thanks,
Pete

VanguardLH[_2_]
November 22nd 12, 03:34 AM
"address_is" wrote:

/*Pete* (original poster)/
Path:...!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail
From: "Pete" >
(GrabIt doesn't add a header to identify itself as the NNTP client)

/*address_is* (a respondent)/
Path: ...!news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb. com!not-for-mail
User-Agent: NewsTap/3.5.5 (iPad)
From: >

Pete used GrabIt but address_is used NewsTap. Doesn't NewsTap let its
users configure their nym (the name shown in the From header)? Even
when using multiple newsreader, use the same nym so others see the same
identity. Despite arguments that nymshifting has good purposes, that's
not really how it gets prevalently employed.

http://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/index.php

I couldn't find much there in the way of documentation so I cannot tell
if you can define an identity within the server settings. Looks like
the author expects his users to discover how to configure his product.
If you can define your identity, make it the same nym you use in all
your newsreaders.

> Please suggest a better newsreader, I searched google but almost all of
> them are geared for downloading TV, Movies, etc. A portable app would also
> be a bonus.

If you are very used to using GrabIt, maybe it can be configured to be
Usenet polite. Can you configure it to NOT append its spam signature?
Can it be configured to physically wrap lines, like at 72-76 characters
in length? From what I can see at:

http://www.binaries4all.com/grabit/configuration.php

that newsreader gives you almost no control over how to format your
posts. It's not designed for participation in discussions. It's
designed to grab stuff (extract attachments from posts in binary
newsgroups). It appears you are stuck being their spam affiliate; that
is, when you use this NNTP client to submit a post, they will spamify
your post by appending their spam within the body of your post. Some
free NNTP providers do this, too, so all posts submitted through them
are spam. Use GrabIt as a tool to retrieve binaries from newsgroups.
Use something else to discuss anything in newsgroups.

There are many free newsreaders available suitable for participating in
discussions. While some may suggest Forte Agent, it's last freeware
version is really old and, as I recall, required a workaround for
handling multiple servers. It is normally a payware product. If you're
going to get a Forte Inc product, I strongly suggest you consider paying
for their latest version.

While I use 40tude Dialog, it didn't pass my first 3 trials of checking
what newsreader would replace Outlook Express. It omitted a couple of
features that I required, like showing Watched threads and preferrably
putting them at the top of the articles listing pane. It was only after
I decided to dig into using scripts to modify events and handlers inside
of Dialog that it became my top choice for a newsreader - but only
because there existed a library of scripts that I use as-is or lightly
modify for my own use. As such, I wouldn't recommend 40tude Dialog
unless its behaviors are just what you want since altering them means
adding scripts (like how add-ons can alter a web browser's or e-mail
client's behaviors). It does, however, have some very nice features
that aren't found in other newsreaders. For example, my filters will
flag as Ignored posts by unwanted posters (trolls, malcontents, Google
Groupers, from known spam servers, etc); however, I also don't want to
see any replies to those posts as I'm not interested in seeing noise
generated from other noise that I'm filtering out. Dialog has an option
to include the subthread under a flagged post. So when the filter fires
to flag a post, all replies to it are also flagged. Then I changed my
default view to "Hide Ignored Messages". I won't see the noise or the
replies to that noise. Yet there are times when someone in a non-noise
reply mentions something in a noise post that I may want to see. I
select the "All Messages" to view what had been filtered. That's why I
ignore-flag the noise subthreads instead of deleting them.

Some others in which I've had interested (but no longer remember in
which order of preference) were:

Mesnews
Xananews
SuperGravity

While many use and recommend Xnews, I personally don't like the
disconnected panes for the MDI (multiple document interface) and prefer
a single window (SDI = single document interface) like most other
newsreaders employ. Its author really doesn't design it for use by
others. He admits that he designs it for how he likes it and then makes
it publicly accessible. Other newsreaders (if they are still supported
or when they were supported) were geared toward the users. Note that a
newsreader doesn't have to be currently supported to still be good.
Mine was abandoned many years ago but still works very well. Some were
abandoned and then taken up a couple folks in that community of users to
continue developing the product.

If you yank attachments from posts in binary newsgroups (and then have
to recombine them) then GrabIt is good for that. I've used NewsMan Pro
in the past but found it slow. Newsbin was much faster. Neither is
free (and why you probably chose GrabIt which is free). Those are okay
for their intended purpose but rather suck for discussions (threads) in
newsgroups. It's like using a blowtorch to light a cigarette or a
lighter to solder your copper plumbing.

For inquiries on particular behaviors you would like to see in a
newsreader, you can ask over in the news.software.readers for help on
particular newsreaders.

VanguardLH[_2_]
November 22nd 12, 04:04 AM
"address_is" wrote:

> I simply want to evaluate virtualisation software to see if it would
> be useful to me, I was unaware of the length 180 day evaluation. I
> had assumed it would be the standard 30 days. I'm looking into
> registration for a trial at the minute.

But you don't need a server edition of Windows to evaluate VMMs (virtual
machine managers), like VirtualPC 2007, VirtualBox, VMWare Player, etc.
Those will install on workstation editions of Windows.

> The server edition allows the user to remove the GUI and other power
> sucking options which would help maximise my current hardware.

Note you never indicated *why* you wanted a server edition of Windows
(versus a workstation edition). You also never mentioned virtualization
and whether you wanted a VMM that runs atop an OS or a VMM that is an OS
itself. Hard to make recommendations based on vaguities.

If you don't have the desktop GUI, how are you going to use the VMMs?
VirtualPC 2007 is a headed product. That means you have to login under
a Windows account and use the desktop to display the windows (console
and guest OS) for that VMM. VMWare Server was a headless VMM; that is,
you could let its services load on Windows startup (you didn't even have
to log into a Windows account in the host OS) and remotely open its
console from another host over the network. Alas, VMWare dropped their
free Server version and now you have to use their Player product.

If you have an independent host on which to play with virtualization,
and rather than run a VMM atop of an OS and then load a guest OS inside
a virtual machine, maybe you should look at Microsoft Hyper-V Server
(free). This OS is a VMM in itself. When you boot the host, you load
the VMM. All the guests run inside a virtual machine. As I recall, the
Hyper-V OS only gives you the console window (i.e., command shell) and
no GUI.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/

If I had newer hardware and a spare host, and I wanted to virtualize a
bunch of guest hosts, that might be what I'd use. Make all operating
systems on that host be virtualized; i.e., load Hyper-V (the VMM) and
have multiple guests all virtualized there. While it has a small
footprint regarding host resources, it does have minimums that are
beyond my current hardware config (my primary host is 6 years old). My
old Athlon XP 3200+ CPU doesn't support HAV (hardware assisted
virtualization).

Of course, I see in Windows Server 2012 that it can also be a Hyper-V
setup. Alas, that version doesn't look to be free like the older 2005
Server Hyper-V product.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/windows-server/server-virtualization.aspx

While you can get an evaluation copy of Windows 2012 Server, will you be
completely done with your testing or use of a VMM in half a year (180
days)? Or do you want to continue using the VMM after half a year? If
I was going to get into using Hyper-V, I'd probably want to use it just
long enough to determine if I liked it and, if so, would continue using
it for an indefinite period thereafter (and free is nice unless you can
afford to pay for the latest version).

I haven't checked on what the 2012 trialware version of Hyper-V gives
you over the free 2005 version. I did find:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789.aspx

that compares Hyper-V in 2008 versus 2012. If you're just "evaluating"
Hyper-V for your personal use (which means you must have the hardware to
support Hyper-V) then it seems even the free old 2005 version would
suffice.

While I know Windows 2005 Server with its Hyper-V is free, I'm not sure
about Windows 2008 Server with its Hyper-V. The download page for 2008:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd776191.aspx

doesn't say it's free but it also doesn't say it's a time-limited trial
.... yet that download page is under the "TechNet Evaluation Center"
site. Alas, the "Product details" link in that 2008 download page takes
the user to a description of the 2012 version.

kreed
November 22nd 12, 04:07 PM
I thought this was a Windows 8 group. Hyper-V is part of Windows 8 Pro,
just add it from the windows add-on menu.
K

Pete
November 22nd 12, 04:22 PM
Trying to avoid having a full OS underneath my VM OS though.

I looked into Hyper-V Server, as suggested by Vanguard, which is free
from Microsoft. The only issue is that the management tool (RSAT) for it
is only available for W8 which would force me to update at least one
machine to W8

On 22/11/2012 15:07, kreed wrote:
> I thought this was a Windows 8 group. Hyper-V is part of Windows 8 Pro,
> just add it from the windows add-on menu.
> K
>

Richard Rose
December 5th 12, 12:04 AM
Pete laid this down on his screen :
> Trying to avoid having a full OS underneath my VM OS though.
Unless you have proper server hardware which can use something like
VMware ESxi you cant achieve what you want.

> I looked into Hyper-V Server, as suggested by Vanguard, which is free from
> Microsoft. The only issue is that the management tool (RSAT) for it is only
> available for W8 which would force me to update at least one machine to W8
>
> On 22/11/2012 15:07, kreed wrote:
>> I thought this was a Windows 8 group. Hyper-V is part of Windows 8 Pro,
>> just add it from the windows add-on menu.
>> K

For best performance, VMware Workstation or Oracles VirtualBox on a Mac
or Linux host will make windows OS'es running as guest OS'es faster
than if you used a windows OS as a host OS. If you want stuff to be
free go with a linux host say ubuntu or Mint (if want a linux distro
thats most like a windows os) then install virtualbox, then install
your windows OS's that way.

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