Update

[C@limero]

When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?

[BillW50]

On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?

The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
downloads are very much slower.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>
> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
> downloads are very much slower.
>

Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
again, is bogus.

--
Alias

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/16/2012 5:55 PM, C@limero wrote:
> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>

Do you have any programs checking for malware or viruses enabled? Try
disabling them temporarily and see if you don't get them quicker.

--
Alias

[BillW50]

On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>
>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>> downloads are very much slower.
>
> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
> again, is bogus.

Not for those in America. This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
So if you live on the other side of the world, the best time is during
the day for you. Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
down when the Americas wake up.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>
>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>
>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
>> again, is bogus.
>
> Not for those in America.

Yes, it is.

> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.

When would that be?

> So if you live on the other side of the world,

Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.

> the best time is during
> the day for you.

Anytime works great for me.

> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
> down when the Americas wake up.
>

I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
again, you're full of ****.

--
Alias

[BillW50]

On 12/16/2012 6:22 PM, Alias wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>
>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>
>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
>>> again, is bogus.
>>
>> Not for those in America.
>
> Yes, it is.
>
>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>
> When would that be?
>
>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>
> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>
>> the best time is during
>> the day for you.
>
> Anytime works great for me.
>
>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>
>
> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
> again, you're full of ****.

That is because you are clueless about computers and don't understand
anything about net traffic. I bet if you do a tracert, you are not using
a Microsoft server located in America. As you are probably using one
located in Europe.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[..winston]

Actually the only time the servers are congested is shortly after the time when the updates are available and pushed though even
then not all systems are offered the updates at the same point in time....i.e. the push is staged.

In the case of the op, without additional information, a variety of issues could be in play (hardware, software, isp,
connectivity, etc.)

For Win8 the last batch on update Tuesday excluding Office 2010 updates ranged from 160-200 MB. It took my system (an i3/6GB/Win8
Pro with Media Center) about 6 minutes to manually (Win8 set to Notify - let me choose when to download and install)
download/install all updates for Win8. That 6 minutes encompassed - download, install, restart, logon
to start screen and was about 10 minutes after initial availability in PST ....all from the US.

--
....winston
msft mvp


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:[i]
> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?

The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
downloads are very much slower.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8

[Rob]

On 17/12/2012 11:22 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>
>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>
>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
>>> again, is bogus.
>>
>> Not for those in America.
>
> Yes, it is.
>
>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>
> When would that be?
>
>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>
> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>
>> the best time is during
>> the day for you.
>
> Anytime works great for me.
>
>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>
>
> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
> again, you're full of ****.
>


Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
access MS server for the update.

[C@limero]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:47:39 +0100, Alias
> wrote:

>On 12/16/2012 5:55 PM, C@limero wrote:
>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>
>
>Do you have any programs checking for malware or viruses enabled? Try
>disabling them temporarily and see if you don't get them quicker.

I will give it a try.

[C@limero]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:08:40 -0600, BillW50 > wrote:

>On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>
>The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>downloads are very much slower.

I am from Belgium, Europe and tried to do the updates around 7pm.
I have no time problems when doing updates of Windows 7.
Very strange...:-X

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/17/2012 1:58 AM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 6:22 PM, Alias wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up
>>>>> and
>>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>>
>>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
>>>> again, is bogus.
>>>
>>> Not for those in America.
>>
>> Yes, it is.
>>
>>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>>
>> When would that be?
>>
>>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>>
>> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>>
>>> the best time is during
>>> the day for you.
>>
>> Anytime works great for me.
>>
>>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>>> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
>>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>>
>>
>> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
>> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
>> again, you're full of ****.
>
> That is because you are clueless about computers and don't understand
> anything about net traffic. I bet if you do a tracert, you are not using
> a Microsoft server located in America. As you are probably using one
> located in Europe.
>

Whatever. I have downloaded them at many different times, even when
Europe was wide awake. I haven't had a problem ever since Windows 95.
Course, in your case, if we are to believe you, you need to update over
20 laptops and who knows how many desktops so, naturally, you clog up
your own bandwidth and get your updates very slowly. Or are you on your
no updates for Windows are needed drivel again?

--
Alias

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/17/2012 6:44 AM, Rob wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 11:22 AM, Alias wrote:
>> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up
>>>>> and
>>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>>
>>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory, once
>>>> again, is bogus.
>>>
>>> Not for those in America.
>>
>> Yes, it is.
>>
>>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>>
>> When would that be?
>>
>>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>>
>> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>>
>>> the best time is during
>>> the day for you.
>>
>> Anytime works great for me.
>>
>>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>>> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
>>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>>
>>
>> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
>> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
>> again, you're full of ****.
>>
>
>
> Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
> higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
> access MS server for the update.

I don't have a server. I have downloaded them at all times of the day
and never had a problem since 96. Using your logic, the OP shouldn't
have a problem either, being as it's on his server.

--
Alias

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/17/2012 5:16 PM, C@limero wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:08:40 -0600, BillW50 > wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the updates
>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>
>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the morning
>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up and
>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>> downloads are very much slower.
>
> I am from Belgium, Europe and tried to do the updates around 7pm.
> I have no time problems when doing updates of Windows 7.
> Very strange...:-X
>

Another BillW50 theory out the proverbial Window.

--
Alias

[..winston]

"Rob" wrote in message ...

>
Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
access MS server for the update.
>

That's not how it works.
No matter how Windows Update/Microsoft Update is
configured (auto, manual) WU/MU always 'phones home and checks
the MSFT server' to verify the current update is the latest available
version (in the event a revision was released).
All updates are deployed from the MSFT server - the only local storage
is when WU/MU is configured to automatically download and install
or download but let me choose when to install...even then as noted
WU/MU will continue to communicate with the MSFT server and verify
the download is the current version prior to installation. If WU/MU is
set to Notify (let me choose when to download and install) then
Windows will once again the user chooses to install communicate
with the MSFT server, download current available versions and
then install.


--
....winston
msft mvp

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:06:09 -0500, "..winston" >
wrote in article >...
>
> "Rob" wrote in message ...
>
> >
> Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
> higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
> access MS server for the update.
> >
>
> That's not how it works.
> No matter how Windows Update/Microsoft Update is
> configured (auto, manual) WU/MU always 'phones home and checks
> the MSFT server' to verify the current update is the latest available
> version (in the event a revision was released).
> All updates are deployed from the MSFT server - the only local storage
> is when WU/MU is configured to automatically download and install
> or download but let me choose when to install...even then as noted
> WU/MU will continue to communicate with the MSFT server and verify
> the download is the current version prior to installation. If WU/MU is
> set to Notify (let me choose when to download and install) then
> Windows will once again the user chooses to install communicate
> with the MSFT server, download current available versions and
> then install.

Unless of course you are using WSUS which acts rather more like Rob
posted. Different kettle of fish from what normal home users
encounter, but quite a lot of businesses (and probably some geek-run
home networks) have a Windows Server set up to handle updates that way.

--
Zaphod

"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent

[..winston]

"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message ...

>
Unless of course you are using WSUS which acts rather more like Rob
posted. Different kettle of fish from what normal home users
encounter, but quite a lot of businesses (and probably some geek-run
home networks) have a Windows Server set up to handle updates that way.
>

Possible, but when was the last time someone using WSUS posted in this forum asking questions about WU. I suspect, until clarified
otherwise...the op is not using WSUS.

--
....winston
msft mvp

[charlie[_2_]]

On 12/17/2012 3:55 PM, ..winston wrote:
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
> Unless of course you are using WSUS which acts rather more like Rob
> posted. Different kettle of fish from what normal home users
> encounter, but quite a lot of businesses (and probably some geek-run
> home networks) have a Windows Server set up to handle updates that way.
>>
>
> Possible, but when was the last time someone using WSUS posted in this
> forum asking questions about WU. I suspect, until clarified
> otherwise...the op is not using WSUS.
>
There is one other little thing.
Microsoft sometimes delays updates using some criteria.
This seems to be dependent on possibly a particular PC, perhaps by
windows key, windows version, location, etc. as possibilities.
I haven't had this happen recently, but certainly did see it with Vista
when it was new, and to some extent, Win 7 after it was released.

I think the usual cause for a slow update download is an overloaded
server, etc.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:55:17 -0500, "..winston" >
wrote in article >...
>
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> Unless of course you are using WSUS which acts rather more like Rob
> posted. Different kettle of fish from what normal home users
> encounter, but quite a lot of businesses (and probably some geek-run
> home networks) have a Windows Server set up to handle updates that
> way.
> >
>
> Possible, but when was the last time someone using WSUS posted in
> this forum asking questions about WU. I suspect, until clarified
> otherwise...the op is not using WSUS.

Agreed, quite unlikely (but possible) that the OP's experience comes
from that environment.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

[Rob]

On 18/12/2012 4:36 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 12/17/2012 6:44 AM, Rob wrote:
>> On 17/12/2012 11:22 AM, Alias wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the
>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the
>>>>>> morning
>>>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory,
>>>>> once
>>>>> again, is bogus.
>>>>
>>>> Not for those in America.
>>>
>>> Yes, it is.
>>>
>>>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>>>
>>> When would that be?
>>>
>>>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>>>
>>> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>>>
>>>> the best time is during
>>>> the day for you.
>>>
>>> Anytime works great for me.
>>>
>>>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>>>> people all over the world download software from there, it always slows
>>>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
>>> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
>>> again, you're full of ****.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
>> higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
>> access MS server for the update.
>
> I don't have a server. I have downloaded them at all times of the day
> and never had a problem since 96. Using your logic, the OP shouldn't
> have a problem either, being as it's on his server.
>


Try again your ISP's server.

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/18/2012 11:54 PM, Rob wrote:
> On 18/12/2012 4:36 AM, Alias wrote:
>> On 12/17/2012 6:44 AM, Rob wrote:
>>> On 17/12/2012 11:22 AM, Alias wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2012 7:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2012 11:46 AM, Alias wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/16/2012 6:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/16/2012 10:55 AM, C@limero wrote:
>>>>>>>> When I try to update Windows 8, it takes ages to download the
>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>> no matter how much or big they are. What could be going wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best time to download Windows updates is real early in the
>>>>>>> morning
>>>>>>> when most people are still asleep. If you try while everybody is up
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> also updating their Windows, it overwhelms the Microsoft servers and
>>>>>>> downloads are very much slower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, Microsoft delivers updates to the entire world so your theory,
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> again, is bogus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for those in America.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is.
>>>>
>>>>> This is when the servers are hit the hardest.
>>>>
>>>> When would that be?
>>>>
>>>>> So if you live on the other side of the world,
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I don't. China is on the other side of the world from you.
>>>>
>>>>> the best time is during
>>>>> the day for you.
>>>>
>>>> Anytime works great for me.
>>>>
>>>>> Giveawayoftheday servers have the same problem. While
>>>>> people all over the world download software from there, it always
>>>>> slows
>>>>> down when the Americas wake up.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I usually get me updates minutes after they're released (while ALL of
>>>> American is awake) and have *never* had a download problem. So, once
>>>> again, you're full of ****.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually once an update is released then it goes to YOUR server, or one
>>> higher, and most likely cached on you server, and its not necessary to
>>> access MS server for the update.
>>
>> I don't have a server. I have downloaded them at all times of the day
>> and never had a problem since 96. Using your logic, the OP shouldn't
>> have a problem either, being as it's on his server.
>>
>
>
> Try again your ISP's server.

And the OP's server is in Belgium. Oops.

--
Alias

[..winston]

"Rob" wrote in message ...

> Try again your ISP's server.

No, it is not.

--
....winston
msft mvp

[Rob]

On 19/12/2012 12:21 PM, ..winston wrote:
>
> "Rob" wrote in message ...
>
>> Try again your ISP's server.
>
> No, it is not.
>


Not what?