Windows 8 Is Almost Not Terrible

[BillW50]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw

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Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[Bucky Breeder[_4_]]

BillW50 > posted this
via :

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw

I don't absolutely hate it...

It's a little better than Windows 7...

If the Microsoft OS industry must collapse,
they might as well do it pretty, and we can
all be a part of that. That's something!

HTH.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and
when did the start menu quit being cool?

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Bucky Breeder wrote:
> BillW50 > posted this via
> :
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>
> I don't absolutely hate it...
>
> It's a little better than Windows 7...

As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8, cosmetics aside, how is
Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?

--
Crash

"I'm told that Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds."
~ Mark Twain ~

[Alias[_43_]]

On 12/31/2012 7:50 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>

Thanks for the video. I didn't need to watch it long to know why Win 8
will flop.

--
Alias

[BillW50]

In ,
Dave "Crash" Dummy typed:
> Bucky Breeder wrote:
>> BillW50 > posted this via
>> :
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>
>> I don't absolutely hate it...
>>
>> It's a little better than Windows 7...
>
> As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8, cosmetics aside, how is
> Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?

Didn't you see the video? It talks about some of them. There are lots of
new things on the desktop side. Here is a list of most of them.

Features new to Windows 8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[Nil[_2_]]

On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>
> Didn't you see the video? It talks about some of them. There are
> lots of new things on the desktop side. Here is a list of most of
> them.
>
> Features new to Windows 8
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

I see nothing on that list that will improve my computing experience or
productivity.

[BillW50]

In ,
Nil typed:
> On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>
>> Didn't you see the video? It talks about some of them. There are
>> lots of new things on the desktop side. Here is a list of most of
>> them.
>>
>> Features new to Windows 8
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
>
> I see nothing on that list that will improve my computing experience
> or productivity.

You never boot your computer? Mine boots in about 15 seconds (using
hybrid boot). You'll never use the extra info in the Task Manager? You
never want to mount ISO, IMG, and VHD files as a virtual drive? You are
not interested in multiple monitor support (Microsoft finally got it
right after all of these years)? You never want to go back to a previous
version of a file (continuous data protection, aka file history)? You
can also make a restore disc without third party software. It also has
secure boot, which blocks malware that wants to load before Windows 8
does. And none of this stuff will benefit you? Hmm... do you really use
Windows or just pretend you do?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[SC Tom[_3_]]

"BillW50" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>
The title pretty much says it all. It's "almost NOT terrible", meaning it IS
terrible, but just barely ;-)

I can live with it for a while, I think :-)
--
SC Tom

[Nil[_2_]]

On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> You never boot your computer? Mine boots in about 15 seconds
> (using hybrid boot).

I don't care about that.

> You'll never use the extra info in the Task Manager?

I do like the new task manager. That's one small improvement.

> You never want to mount ISO, IMG, and VHD files as a virtual
> drive?

I can already do that with third-party utilities.

> You are not interested in multiple monitor support (Microsoft
> finally got it right after all of these years)?

No, I'm not.

> You never want to go back to a previous version of a file
> (continuous data protection, aka file history)?

No, I don't.

> You can also make a restore disc without third party software.

I already have good third-party software.

> It also has secure boot, which blocks malware that wants to load
> before Windows 8 does.

I don't care about that.

> And none of this stuff will benefit you?

One thing will be a very slight benefit.

> Hmm... do you really use Windows or just pretend you do?

Are you really a self-centered asshole, or do you just pretend to be
one?

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/2/2013 12:06 AM, Nil wrote:
> Are you really a self-centered asshole, or do you just pretend to be
> one?

No pretending. Ask him how many computers he has.

--
Alias

[BillW50]

In ,
Nil typed:
> On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> You never boot your computer? Mine boots in about 15 seconds
>> (using hybrid boot).
>
> I don't care about that.

Why not? My Commodore 64 booted in 2 seconds and I loved that. My Epson
PX-8 booted CP/M from ROM in 2 seconds. One day Windows will boot so
fast.

>> You'll never use the extra info in the Task Manager?
>
> I do like the new task manager. That's one small improvement.

I love tools and gauges which tells me what the system is doing. I can
never have enough. I need vacuum, oil pressure, RPM, water temp, etc. on
my automobiles too. Those dumb idiot lights tell you after it is too
late.

>> You never want to mount ISO, IMG, and VHD files as a virtual
>> drive?
>
> I can already do that with third-party utilities.

So can I. But now I don't need them anymore, now do I? And the problem
with third party utilities like this is that they conflict with other
things. Like one EA game doesn't like Paragon DVD emulator installed. I
don't have to be using it at the time. The game still complains. So I
have to uninstall it to play the game and then reinstall it after I am
done with the game. No more of this BS!

>> You are not interested in multiple monitor support (Microsoft
>> finally got it right after all of these years)?
>
> No, I'm not.

You never used more than one monitor in your life?

>> You never want to go back to a previous version of a file
>> (continuous data protection, aka file history)?
>
> No, I don't.

You never wanted an old version ever? How long have you used computers
again?

>> You can also make a restore disc without third party software.
>
> I already have good third-party software.

Proprietary third party software. I have used Paragon, Acronis, Ghost,
etc. and I could write a thick book on why they fail.

>> It also has secure boot, which blocks malware that wants to load
>> before Windows 8 does.
>
> I don't care about that.

You don't care about rootkits?

>> And none of this stuff will benefit you?
>
> One thing will be a very slight benefit.
>
>> Hmm... do you really use Windows or just pretend you do?
>
> Are you really a self-centered asshole, or do you just pretend to be
> one?

Self centered asshole? Hardly! Only a self-centered asshole would say
they don't care about rootkits for one. And you sounding like a broken
record saying I don't use it over and over again only makes you sound
like a dumbass. No intelligent person would speak this way. I don't see
why you need a computer at all. Because you haven't mentioned one single
reason why you do. After all, you don't use it, right?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[DanS[_3_]]

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:25:42 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

> In ,
> Nil typed:
>> On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>>
>>> Didn't you see the video? It talks about some of them. There are lots
>>> of new things on the desktop side. Here is a list of most of them.
>>>
>>> Features new to Windows 8
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
>>
>> I see nothing on that list that will improve my computing experience or
>> productivity.
>
> You are
> not interested in multiple monitor support (Microsoft finally got it
> right after all of these years)?

Multiple monitor support has pretty much worked for me since Windows98 w/
o any problems at all.

[BillW50]

In ,
DanS typed:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:25:42 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> Nil typed:
>>> On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
>>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>>>
>>>> Didn't you see the video? It talks about some of them. There are
>>>> lots of new things on the desktop side. Here is a list of most of
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Features new to Windows 8
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
>>>
>>> I see nothing on that list that will improve my computing
>>> experience or productivity.
>>
>> You are
>> not interested in multiple monitor support (Microsoft finally got it
>> right after all of these years)?
>
> Multiple monitor support has pretty much worked for me since
> Windows98 w/ o any problems at all.

The Taskbar was only on one monitor before Windows 8 (now that has been
fixed). And don't tell me that all applications worked fine with
multiple monitors before because I can tell you that isn't true. The
thing they still need to work on with multiple monitors is charms in
Windows 8. That is a bit tricky with the mouse with multiple monitors.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[Nil[_2_]]

On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> So can I. But now I don't need them anymore, now do I?

As I already clearly said, I'm talking about what's important to me
now and what would or wouldn't be an improvement over my current
setup and needs. I don't give a good Goddamn what you need, and it
would be irrelevant to me even if I did.

> You never used more than one monitor in your life?

Why would you make up something like that? I don't use one now, and
I don't need or want one now.

> You never wanted an old version ever? How long have you used
> computers again?

I've never even touched a computer, of course.

> I don't see why you need a computer at all.

It's obvious that there are many things you don't see.

> Because you haven't mentioned one single reason why you do.

That isn't the topic at hand, the question wasn't asked, the answer
is irrelevant, and I wouldn't waste my time discussing it with you
in the first place. You have no business telling me what I do or
don't need, especially given your lack of credibility here.

[BillW50]

In ,
Nil typed:
> On 01 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> So can I. But now I don't need them anymore, now do I?
>
> As I already clearly said, I'm talking about what's important to me
> now and what would or wouldn't be an improvement over my current
> setup and needs. I don't give a good Goddamn what you need, and it
> would be irrelevant to me even if I did.

It is hard to help you if you never say what is important to you.

>> You never used more than one monitor in your life?
>
> Why would you make up something like that? I don't use one now, and
> I don't need or want one now.

I made nothing up. It was a question.

>> You never wanted an old version ever? How long have you used
>> computers again?
>
> I've never even touched a computer, of course.

Obviously.

>> I don't see why you need a computer at all.
>
> It's obvious that there are many things you don't see.

Far more than you will ever know about for sure.

>> Because you haven't mentioned one single reason why you do.
>
> That isn't the topic at hand, the question wasn't asked, the answer
> is irrelevant, and I wouldn't waste my time discussing it with you
> in the first place. You have no business telling me what I do or
> don't need, especially given your lack of credibility here.

We can't help you because you asked what was new in Windows 8. So we
tell you and you say you don't use it. And you don't tell us what you
use a computer for. So forgive us when you are looking more and more to
be just another troll.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

[Nil[_2_]]

On 02 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> It is hard to help you if you never say what is important to you.

I'm not looking for help.

> We can't help you because you asked what was new in Windows 8.

I asked no such thing.

[I.N. Valid]

Dave "Crash" Dummy >:

> Bucky Breeder wrote:
>> BillW50 > posted this via
>> :
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>
>> I don't absolutely hate it...
>>
>> It's a little better than Windows 7...
>
> As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8,
> cosmetics aside, how is Windows 8 a little
> better than Windows 7?

If you are "retarded" or just a n00bie nuukulhed, first count out 7 of your
fingers; next, hold the additional number of fingers up to make 8; now
subtract 7 away from 8; and that leaves 1; which is certifiably "a little
better." So, if 7 is good, then 8 has to be "a little better." Most
because "1" is by definiton "a little" whereas "10" is "a whole bunch" on
all the scales of 1 to 10.

10 would be "way better", but they haven't even got the service packs for 8
out yet. Keep checking back! Don't worry, it's the "new math" by Windows.

Lots of peeples are "WTF?" and going backwards to Etch-A-Sketch and abacus
phones now, but blaming it on the economy... because, who wants *everyone*
to know that they're retarded?

If peeples think Microsoft ripped off Apple for their Windows 8 designs,
then Microsoft should issue out a "Bitch-A-Sketch" to really get the hives
of Etch-A-Sketch fanatics a-buzzin'!

HTH.

[Bucky Breeder[_4_]]

Dave "Crash" Dummy > posted
this via :

> how is Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?

Because they made it that way; however, that being said, "better" is a very
subjective term and "a little" is an equally very personal perspective that
perhaps should be explored in first-person rather than simply vicariously
with an inclination toward a hardened and pre-set bias which when analyzed
to its basic components consists of "fear' - of change and of the unknown.

Like Yoda said to Batman on the Planet Dagobah, "In theory, theory and
practice are the same; but, in practice, they are not." And only then was
Batman able to lift the invisable airplane from the swamps... "Why?" you
might ask... Because he believed in Fairy Tales - and in himself!

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagobah>

My philosophy is "Study up, spend as little money as possible, and then
make up my own opinions." When things get tough, I just get laid by one of
my many girlfriends, and then my problems seem so much more insignificant
when listening to them gripe about some other girl leaving her underwear at
my house from the last date I had a little earlier.

IMLTHO

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and
the world DID NOT end on December 21st, 2012...
because the dreaded USA fiscal cliffs were just a bunch
of leetle seesys making noisy leetle seesy roadbumps...

Repent : 'The End' is near! Or... just smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[Dominique]

"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > écrivait news:kbv0uh$c6q$1
@dont-email.me:

> Bucky Breeder wrote:
>> BillW50 > posted this via
>> :
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>
>> I don't absolutely hate it...
>>
>> It's a little better than Windows 7...
>
> As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8, cosmetics aside, how is
> Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?
>

For me it's better because it's more stable.

My Win7 x64 installation used to randomly freeze from time to time, mainly
while I was on the net either with Firefox or IE and the computer had to be
reset or shut down completely. I thought it could be an hardware issue
since it was a new computer (new MB, CPU, RAM and HD).

Since I upgraded to Win8 a few months ago (not a clean install), my
computer has never crashed or freeze.

Was it a driver issue? I updated all the drivers after the Win8 upgrade.

All I can say now it's rock solid.

[anotherpaul]

On 2013-01-02, Dominique > wrote:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > écrivait news:kbv0uh$c6q$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>> BillW50 > posted this via
>>> :
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>>
>>> I don't absolutely hate it...
>>>
>>> It's a little better than Windows 7...
>>
>> As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8, cosmetics aside, how is
>> Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?
>>
>
> For me it's better because it's more stable.
>
Yup. The "it's better" is subjective as is stability.
When I had win8 on a "clean" install on the desktop, it crashed every
1/2 hr to 2 hr; never went pass the 2 hr mark.

> My Win7 x64 installation used to randomly freeze from time to time, mainly
> while I was on the net either with Firefox or IE and the computer had to be
> reset or shut down completely. I thought it could be an hardware issue
> since it was a new computer (new MB, CPU, RAM and HD).
>
> Since I upgraded to Win8 a few months ago (not a clean install), my
> computer has never crashed or freeze.
>
> Was it a driver issue? I updated all the drivers after the Win8 upgrade.

I had the "latest" drivers after the win8 upgrade; the problem was that
the drivers were from microsoft as they took over the usb driver
implementation. The usb 3 drivers suck probably in relation with the
disk management; the disk manager claims the usb 3 hdd was not
initialized even if it had 600+ gigs in files; got an I/O error
msg when trying to initialize using disk management.

The BSOD of "driver power failure state" & say to look online for info
tells me that m$ don't want to be bothered even if the page say to
send in the dumps. Never encountered the driver power failure from
win 3.1 thru win7; had skipped using the win me & vista.

>
> All I can say now it's rock solid.

I formatted & re-installed win7...rock solid. win8 degraded any
"productivity" I may have had.

Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
privacy or security.

[Paul]

anotherpaul wrote:

>
> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
> privacy or security.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login

"User Login

Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
time display, along with the ability to display notifications
from apps.

Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also available,
including a four-digit PIN, or

a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain gestures
performed on a selected picture to login. These gestures will take
into account the shape, the start and end points, as well as the
direction. However, the shapes and gestures are limited to tapping
and tracing a line or circle. Microsoft found that limiting the
gestures improved the speed of sign-ins by three times compared
to allowing freeform methods. Wrong gestures will always deny
a login, and it will lock out the PC after five unsuccessful
attempts, until a text password is provided.
"

So I guess that last method, is just a tease.

Paul

[anotherpaul]

On 2013-01-03, Paul > wrote:
> anotherpaul wrote:
>
>>
>> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
>> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
>> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
>> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
>> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
>> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
>> privacy or security.
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login
>
> "User Login
>
> Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
> time display, along with the ability to display notifications
> from apps.
>
> Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also available,
> including a four-digit PIN, or
>
> a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain gestures
> performed on a selected picture to login. These gestures will take
> into account the shape, the start and end points, as well as the
> direction. However, the shapes and gestures are limited to tapping
> and tracing a line or circle. Microsoft found that limiting the
> gestures improved the speed of sign-ins by three times compared
> to allowing freeform methods. Wrong gestures will always deny
> a login, and it will lock out the PC after five unsuccessful
> attempts, until a text password is provided.
> "
>
> So I guess that last method, is just a tease.
>
> Paul

Thanks. The thing is that it still doesn't address how the pin or
password is to be entered. The reason for my question is that I did
read on "Daily Tech" that the new head of the windows was saying that
the keyboard & mouse will remain "for now"; that implies, to me, the
probable removal of keyboard & mouse access in the future.

[Paul]

anotherpaul wrote:
> On 2013-01-03, Paul > wrote:
>> anotherpaul wrote:
>>
>>> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
>>> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
>>> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
>>> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
>>> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
>>> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
>>> privacy or security.
>>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login
>>
>> "User Login
>>
>> Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
>> time display, along with the ability to display notifications
>> from apps.
>>
>> Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also available,
>> including a four-digit PIN, or
>>
>> a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain gestures
>> performed on a selected picture to login. These gestures will take
>> into account the shape, the start and end points, as well as the
>> direction. However, the shapes and gestures are limited to tapping
>> and tracing a line or circle. Microsoft found that limiting the
>> gestures improved the speed of sign-ins by three times compared
>> to allowing freeform methods. Wrong gestures will always deny
>> a login, and it will lock out the PC after five unsuccessful
>> attempts, until a text password is provided.
>> "
>>
>> So I guess that last method, is just a tease.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Thanks. The thing is that it still doesn't address how the pin or
> password is to be entered. The reason for my question is that I did
> read on "Daily Tech" that the new head of the windows was saying that
> the keyboard & mouse will remain "for now"; that implies, to me, the
> probable removal of keyboard & mouse access in the future.

Maybe by the time Windows 9 comes out, they'll have switched to
using a "data glove" and you'll wave your hand around in the
air like a fool :-)

Try using this in the Starbucks.

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content09/AcceleGlove.jpg

Those data gloves are a good color match for a set of these.

http://www.hathorizons.com/graphics/american_hats/us_mickeymouse.jpg

Paul

[Rob]

On 2/01/2013 10:04 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 02 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> It is hard to help you if you never say what is important to you.
>
> I'm not looking for help.
>
>> We can't help you because you asked what was new in Windows 8.
>
> I asked no such thing.
>

You can't contradict BillW50 how dare you!

[Rob]

On 3/01/2013 7:18 AM, Dominique wrote:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" > écrivait news:kbv0uh$c6q$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>> BillW50 > posted this via
>>> :
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw
>>>
>>> I don't absolutely hate it...
>>>
>>> It's a little better than Windows 7...
>>
>> As one yet undecided about moving from 7 to 8, cosmetics aside, how is
>> Windows 8 a little better than Windows 7?
>>
>
> For me it's better because it's more stable.
>
> My Win7 x64 installation used to randomly freeze from time to time, mainly
> while I was on the net either with Firefox or IE and the computer had to be
> reset or shut down completely. I thought it could be an hardware issue
> since it was a new computer (new MB, CPU, RAM and HD).
>
> Since I upgraded to Win8 a few months ago (not a clean install), my
> computer has never crashed or freeze.
>
> Was it a driver issue? I updated all the drivers after the Win8 upgrade.
>
> All I can say now it's rock solid.
>
The only freezing problems I have with W7 is when I swapped the HDD over
to another new PC and only loaded the MB drivers CD over the top.

[Nil[_2_]]

On 03 Jan 2013, Rob > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> On 2/01/2013 10:04 PM, Nil wrote:
>> On 02 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
>> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>>
>>> It is hard to help you if you never say what is important to you.
>>
>> I'm not looking for help.
>>
>>> We can't help you because you asked what was new in Windows 8.
>>
>> I asked no such thing.
>
> You can't contradict BillW50 how dare you!

I can't explain how I do it, but I do. It's like he hands you a cream
pie, then just stands there vacantly staring into space, having
forgotten he gave it to you. You can't NOT thow the pie.

[Rob]

On 4/01/2013 5:02 AM, anotherpaul wrote:
> On 2013-01-03, Paul > wrote:
>> anotherpaul wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
>>> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
>>> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
>>> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
>>> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
>>> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
>>> privacy or security.
>>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login
>>
>> "User Login
>>
>> Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
>> time display, along with the ability to display notifications
>> from apps.
>>
>> Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also available,
>> including a four-digit PIN, or
>>
>> a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain gestures
>> performed on a selected picture to login. These gestures will take
>> into account the shape, the start and end points, as well as the
>> direction. However, the shapes and gestures are limited to tapping
>> and tracing a line or circle. Microsoft found that limiting the
>> gestures improved the speed of sign-ins by three times compared
>> to allowing freeform methods. Wrong gestures will always deny
>> a login, and it will lock out the PC after five unsuccessful
>> attempts, until a text password is provided.
>> "
>>
>> So I guess that last method, is just a tease.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Thanks. The thing is that it still doesn't address how the pin or
> password is to be entered. The reason for my question is that I did
> read on "Daily Tech" that the new head of the windows was saying that
> the keyboard & mouse will remain "for now"; that implies, to me, the
> probable removal of keyboard & mouse access in the future.
>

If I use or work on a laptop any mouse is better than the touch pad.
Love a big screen to work on, hate the finger prints all over a touch
screen (iPad).

Can't see myself looking forward without a mouse or keyboard.

[BillW50]

In ,
Rob typed:
> On 4/01/2013 5:02 AM, anotherpaul wrote:
>> On 2013-01-03, Paul > wrote:
>>> anotherpaul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
>>>> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
>>>> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
>>>> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
>>>> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
>>>> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
>>>> privacy or security.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login
>>>
>>> "User Login
>>>
>>> Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
>>> time display, along with the ability to display notifications
>>> from apps.
>>>
>>> Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also
>>> available, including a four-digit PIN, or
>>>
>>> a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain
>>> gestures performed on a selected picture to login. These
>>> gestures will take into account the shape, the start and end
>>> points, as well as the direction. However, the shapes and
>>> gestures are limited to tapping and tracing a line or circle.
>>> Microsoft found that limiting the gestures improved the speed
>>> of sign-ins by three times compared to allowing freeform
>>> methods. Wrong gestures will always deny a login, and it will
>>> lock out the PC after five unsuccessful attempts, until a text
>>> password is provided. "
>>>
>>> So I guess that last method, is just a tease.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Thanks. The thing is that it still doesn't address how the pin or
>> password is to be entered. The reason for my question is that I did
>> read on "Daily Tech" that the new head of the windows was saying that
>> the keyboard & mouse will remain "for now"; that implies, to me, the
>> probable removal of keyboard & mouse access in the future.
>
> If I use or work on a laptop any mouse is better than the touch pad.
> Love a big screen to work on, hate the finger prints all over a touch
> screen (iPad).
>
> Can't see myself looking forward without a mouse or keyboard.

Oh there are lots of options for tablets. While I have used tablets for
over 10 years, I just in the last month got into PC tablets (thanks
mostly to Windows 8). I now own four of them. And I got docks for all of
them too. And there isn't any difference between a desktop or a tablet
while docked. And you can have your keyboard and mouse.

While undocked, things change of course. And most tablets you don't need
to use your fingers, just a stylist will do fine. This doesn't leave any
marks on the screen. And not all screens are the same. Some hardly leave
any prints. This one for example is really hard to leave any
fingerprints on it.

Some have touch screens and some are digitizers. The latter won't even
work with your fingers, just with the stylists and that is it. My two
Dells tablets are touch screens, but you can tell it to ignore either
fingers or stylist. This Motion Computing tablet probably works that way
too, if it was running Windows 7 or 8. Currently though I am running XP
and I don't see this option.

Another neat thing about PC tablets is that you don't need to type at
all if you don't want to. As they can usually type what you speak. Or
you can handwrite on the screen and it types what you write. I am amazed
how sloppy you can get with your writing and it still gets it right.

Now if you are just surfing the web, reading email, or newsgroups, I
find tablets are more fun and usually faster. As long as the screen is
large enough anyway. I used to like laptops used in a dock. Thus you
have both a desktop and a portable device. But tablets takes portability
one step further. It is really nice to have everything you want in one
device. ;-)

I am sure many people don't see it yet (I didn't just a month ago). But
I can see tablets quickly replacing desktops (with a dock option). Many
manufactures don't see it yet either. As right now the pickings are very
slim and what is available is in very short supply. But I am sure this
is going to be changing very soon. ;-)

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1600TS Tablet ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino 758 1.5GHz - 1.5GB - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP3

[R. C. White]

Hi, Bill.

Hint: You might want to Bingle for the difference between "stylist" and
"stylus". ;<)

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3505.0912)) in Win8 Pro


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

In ,
Rob typed:
> On 4/01/2013 5:02 AM, anotherpaul wrote:
>> On 2013-01-03, Paul > wrote:
>>> anotherpaul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aside from that, I'm curious if touchscreen users have to use
>>>> the touchcreeen to login & enter the password? My local public
>>>> library has "quick checkout" with monitors using one's library
>>>> card bar code & a touchcreen to enter the pin which everyone
>>>> can see the entry; the screen had the numbers 0-9 & the A-Z
>>>> on the top row of probably a 10 or 12 in screen. So much for
>>>> privacy or security.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8#User_login
>>>
>>> "User Login
>>>
>>> Windows 8 features a new lock screen, which includes a date and
>>> time display, along with the ability to display notifications
>>> from apps.
>>>
>>> Two new login methods optimized for touch screens are also
>>> available, including a four-digit PIN, or
>>>
>>> a "picture password"; which users allow the use of certain
>>> gestures performed on a selected picture to login. These
>>> gestures will take into account the shape, the start and end
>>> points, as well as the direction. However, the shapes and
>>> gestures are limited to tapping and tracing a line or circle.
>>> Microsoft found that limiting the gestures improved the speed
>>> of sign-ins by three times compared to allowing freeform
>>> methods. Wrong gestures will always deny a login, and it will
>>> lock out the PC after five unsuccessful attempts, until a text
>>> password is provided. "
>>>
>>> So I guess that last method, is just a tease.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Thanks. The thing is that it still doesn't address how the pin or
>> password is to be entered. The reason for my question is that I did
>> read on "Daily Tech" that the new head of the windows was saying that
>> the keyboard & mouse will remain "for now"; that implies, to me, the
>> probable removal of keyboard & mouse access in the future.
>
> If I use or work on a laptop any mouse is better than the touch pad.
> Love a big screen to work on, hate the finger prints all over a touch
> screen (iPad).
>
> Can't see myself looking forward without a mouse or keyboard.

Oh there are lots of options for tablets. While I have used tablets for
over 10 years, I just in the last month got into PC tablets (thanks
mostly to Windows 8). I now own four of them. And I got docks for all of
them too. And there isn't any difference between a desktop or a tablet
while docked. And you can have your keyboard and mouse.

While undocked, things change of course. And most tablets you don't need
to use your fingers, just a stylist will do fine. This doesn't leave any
marks on the screen. And not all screens are the same. Some hardly leave
any prints. This one for example is really hard to leave any
fingerprints on it.

Some have touch screens and some are digitizers. The latter won't even
work with your fingers, just with the stylists and that is it. My two
Dells tablets are touch screens, but you can tell it to ignore either
fingers or stylist. This Motion Computing tablet probably works that way
too, if it was running Windows 7 or 8. Currently though I am running XP
and I don't see this option.

Another neat thing about PC tablets is that you don't need to type at
all if you don't want to. As they can usually type what you speak. Or
you can handwrite on the screen and it types what you write. I am amazed
how sloppy you can get with your writing and it still gets it right.

Now if you are just surfing the web, reading email, or newsgroups, I
find tablets are more fun and usually faster. As long as the screen is
large enough anyway. I used to like laptops used in a dock. Thus you
have both a desktop and a portable device. But tablets takes portability
one step further. It is really nice to have everything you want in one
device. ;-)

I am sure many people don't see it yet (I didn't just a month ago). But
I can see tablets quickly replacing desktops (with a dock option). Many
manufactures don't see it yet either. As right now the pickings are very
slim and what is available is in very short supply. But I am sure this
is going to be changing very soon. ;-)

--
Bill

[BillW50]

On 1/6/2013 7:54 PM, R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, Bill.
>
> Hint: You might want to Bingle for the difference between "stylist" and
> "stylus". ;<)
>
> RC

DOH!

Many thanks!

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1600 Tablet ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino 758 1.5GHz - 1.5GB - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2

[R. C. White]

Hi, Bill.

You're welcome. Hope you'll do the same for me when I need it. ;<)

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3505.0912)) in Win8 Pro


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 1/6/2013 7:54 PM, R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, Bill.
>
> Hint: You might want to Bingle for the difference between "stylist" and
> "stylus". ;<)
>
> RC

DOH!

Many thanks!

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1600 Tablet ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino 758 1.5GHz - 1.5GB - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2