Did w8 installer address usb3 keyboard/mouse problem?

[Todd[_5_]]

Hi All,

I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
(You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
and have installed your USB3 driver.)

Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
and mouse during installation?

Many thanks,
-T

[philo [_4_]]

On 01/03/2013 05:56 PM, Todd wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>
> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
> and mouse during installation?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T


I don't know for sure but MS claims full USB support for Win8

OTOH: It would sure be a waste of a USB-3 port to put a keyboard or
mouse on it. I'd use USB-3 for data transfer.

--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>
> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
> and mouse during installation?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

You could do one of these things:

1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.

2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
we'll all know.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Todd[_5_]]

On 01/03/2013 05:48 PM, philo wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 05:56 PM, Todd wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>> and mouse during installation?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
>
> I don't know for sure but MS claims full USB support for Win8
>
> OTOH: It would sure be a waste of a USB-3 port to put a keyboard or
> mouse on it. I'd use USB-3 for data transfer.

Hi Philo,

Thank you!

First time though, I never checked the color of the tangs on
the USB ports. Sure got my attention in a hurry! :-)

One thing I like about USB3 is the 0.75 Amp power spec.,
up from 0.5 Amp. Now I am not so afraid to plug power
draining stuff into them. (Would have been nice if
they had gone all the way to 1.5 Amp, like Firewire.)
I hated those two USB port dongles to add more power
to a device.

-T

[Todd[_5_]]

On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>> and mouse during installation?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> You could do one of these things:
>
> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.

My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.


> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
> we'll all know.

If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
with their patches.

Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.

Thank you for the help!
-T

[philo [_4_]]

On 01/03/2013 08:08 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 05:48 PM, philo wrote:
>> On 01/03/2013 05:56 PM, Todd wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>>
>> I don't know for sure but MS claims full USB support for Win8
>>
>> OTOH: It would sure be a waste of a USB-3 port to put a keyboard or
>> mouse on it. I'd use USB-3 for data transfer.
>
> Hi Philo,
>
> Thank you!
>
> First time though, I never checked the color of the tangs on
> the USB ports. Sure got my attention in a hurry! :-)
>
> One thing I like about USB3 is the 0.75 Amp power spec.,
> up from 0.5 Amp. Now I am not so afraid to plug power
> draining stuff into them. (Would have been nice if
> they had gone all the way to 1.5 Amp, like Firewire.)
> I hated those two USB port dongles to add more power
> to a device.
>
> -T
>



Well, I am way behind the curve here, I do not have anything USB-3
but it sure looks like a good idea.

When my present 1TB external drive starts getting filled, I will be
looking into USB-3 when it comes time to get another drive.
I will have to add a USB-3 card

--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686

[Rob]

On 4/01/2013 1:13 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>> You could do one of these things:
>>
>> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.
>
> My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.
>
>
>> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
>> we'll all know.
>
> If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
> yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
> preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
> I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
> with their patches.
>

What are the W7 to W8 software compatibility problems that currently exist?


> Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
> supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.
>
> Thank you for the help!
> -T
>
>

[John Doe]

philo* <philo privcy.not> wrote:

> Todd wrote:

>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a problem.
>> The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer takes over and
>> does not recognize your USB3 ports. (You have to find a USB2
>> port until you are all installed and have installed your USB3
>> driver.)
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this
>> issue? Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for
>> keyboard and mouse during installation?

> I don't know for sure but MS claims full USB support for Win8
>
> OTOH: It would sure be a waste of a USB-3 port to put a keyboard
> or mouse on it. I'd use USB-3 for data transfer.

Yes, obviously a keyboard, probably any mouse too. Good point IMO.

[anotherpaul]

On 2013-01-04, Todd > wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>> You could do one of these things:
>>
>> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.
>
> My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.
>
>
>> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
>> we'll all know.
>
> If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
> yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
> preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
> I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
> with their patches.
>
> Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
> supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.
>
> Thank you for the help!
> -T
>
>
Microsoft took over the USB driver support/code for the intel/renasas
& asmedia usb 3 chips; win8 includes the usb 3 drivers of ms developed.
Both the asmedia & intel sites don't show any win8 usb 3 driver saying
that the drivers are now done by microsoft.

I don't think the driver works well with my system causing lots of
crashes as in didn't get pass the 2 hr mark without a BSOD of "driver
power failure state". the drivers didn't see my usb 3 hdd as usable
as it claims that it wasn't "initialized".

Check the m$ social community support website for more info about
the usb 3 drivers as some have it working but at usb 2 level.

I'm back on win7 & will be checking the m$ knowlodge base for further
info/update on the usb 3 every so often. Not going back to win8 until
usb 3 works for me.

[Todd[_5_]]

On 01/03/2013 07:04 PM, anotherpaul wrote:
> On 2013-01-04, Todd > wrote:
>> On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> You could do one of these things:
>>>
>>> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.
>>
>> My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.
>>
>>
>>> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
>>> we'll all know.
>>
>> If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
>> yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
>> preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
>> I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
>> with their patches.
>>
>> Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
>> supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.
>>
>> Thank you for the help!
>> -T
>>
>>
> Microsoft took over the USB driver support/code for the intel/renasas
> & asmedia usb 3 chips; win8 includes the usb 3 drivers of ms developed.
> Both the asmedia & intel sites don't show any win8 usb 3 driver saying
> that the drivers are now done by microsoft.
>
> I don't think the driver works well with my system causing lots of
> crashes as in didn't get pass the 2 hr mark without a BSOD of "driver
> power failure state". the drivers didn't see my usb 3 hdd as usable
> as it claims that it wasn't "initialized".
>
> Check the m$ social community support website for more info about
> the usb 3 drivers as some have it working but at usb 2 level.
>
> I'm back on win7 & will be checking the m$ knowlodge base for further
> info/update on the usb 3 every so often. Not going back to win8 until
> usb 3 works for me.
>

Thank you for the update.

[Todd[_5_]]

On 01/03/2013 06:38 PM, Rob wrote:
>>
>
> What are the W7 to W8 software compatibility problems that currently
> exist?

I do not know of a list. I just hear "now compatible ..." announcements
from the various folks I deal with.

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:13:43 -0800, Todd wrote:

> On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>> You could do one of these things:
>>
>> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.
>
> My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.
>
>> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
>> we'll all know.
>
> If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
> yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
> preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
> I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
> with their patches.
>
> Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
> supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.
>
> Thank you for the help!
> -T

Of course, USB3 is supposed to be backwards compatible, so you should be
OK.

Then again, that might be overly optimistic, as we all know :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Paul]

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:13:43 -0800, Todd wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2013 05:54 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:56:07 -0800, Todd wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that under BIOS, I am able to plug a USB
>>>> keyboard and mouse into a USB3 jack and not have a
>>>> problem. The problem starts when the Windows 7 installer
>>>> takes over and does not recognize your USB3 ports.
>>>> (You have to find a USB2 port until you are all installed
>>>> and have installed your USB3 driver.)
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if the Windows 8 installer addressed this issue?
>>>> Or do I still have to make sure I use USB2 ports for keyboard
>>>> and mouse during installation?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> -T
>>> You could do one of these things:
>>>
>>> 1. Just use the USB2 port and not worry.
>> My worry was that eventually all USB ports would be "3" ports.
>>
>>> 2. Try the USB3 port and inform those who read this NG of the results so
>>> we'll all know.
>> If I remember I will. I haven't got anyone asking for w8
>> yet, but I know the box stores are selling computers with it
>> preinstalled. Before I actually do a custom system with it,
>> I will wait for all the major software vendors to come out
>> with their patches.
>>
>> Quicks Books Pro 2012 R4, which you have to download, now
>> supposedly is. Haven't verified it though.
>>
>> Thank you for the help!
>> -T
>
> Of course, USB3 is supposed to be backwards compatible, so you should be
> OK.
>
> Then again, that might be overly optimistic, as we all know :-)

They took a unique approach to that.

On the back of the computer, if you look at the blue USB connector,
it has two sets of pins. One set is USB2, the other set carries
only USB3 protocol at 5Gbit/sec. That way, they didn't try to mix
them on the same set of wires.

That's unlike the backward compatibility on a lot of other
interfaces, where the same tired set of wires, keeps getting
faster and faster signals put on it. In this case, they just
said "screw it", and put a good set of wires on it. Sort of
the same treatment as you'd need for SATA or PCI Express.

The yellow-blue and orange-purple pairs, are the high speed
TX and RX of USB3. (Just like SATA has high speed TX and RX, and
PCI Express also has high speed TX and RX pairs.) The green and
white wires would be "D+" and "D-" of USB2. The high speed TX
and RX has a shield around the pair, as well as a drain wire
inside.

http://usb3expresscard.com/images/usb/usb3_cable_internals.png

Paul