alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on http://groups.google.com. Is that reallytrue?!

[comp.mobile.android]

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

--
comp.mobile.android

[BillW50]

On 1/10/2013 5:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!

Not really. At least I am not surprised.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:05:04 +0700, "comp.mobile.android"
> wrote:

> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!


Google groups (listservs) and newsgroups are two entirely different
things.


--
Ken Blake

[Nil[_2_]]

On 10 Jan 2013, "comp.mobile.android"
> wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!

Why are you shocked? Do you really think Google listens to or has any
real interest in the Usenet community?

[John Doe]

I'm not telling…

[Paul]

comp.mobile.android wrote:
> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!
>

There are no humans at Google. Only machines.

Machines need "control messages", to recognize legitimate
USENET activity. Such as the creation of new groups.

As far as I know, most admins have turned off all manner of
such control messages for alt.* to stop the creation of
vanity news groups. This is a tamer example of the
activity that used to happen in alt.*.

http://www.almac.co.uk/chef/chef/chef-faq.html

Alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork

I mean, who can forget that group, and why
shouldn't Google archive it ? (Swedish Chef used
to be on The Muppets.)

It's probably here, because it was here when they
started up the archive.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork/topics?lnk=srg

But now, when a new group shows up, there's no way to get it
archived. Whether the group has some value to people or not.
Existing admins add alt.comp.os.windows-8 informally, at
the request of their users. And since "Google has no humans",
there's no way for us to ask for it.

If we presented official RFDs to make a new entry in
comp.* , then perhaps we'd get recognized. Then, the
group would be part of the Big Eight. There would
be control messages, champagne, fireworks, and so on.
And Google would see the control message.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_(Usenet)

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup

Paul

[XS11E]

"comp.mobile.android" > wrote:

> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!

Why is it shocking and, more importantly, why would anyone care?


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!
>

Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days, instead of
living under bridges in Norway, they all live in Google Groups.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery

[Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_]]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:05:04 +0700, "comp.mobile.android"
> wrote:

>alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
>It is shocking really!!

Google groups is way behind Usenet. It copied some of Usenet to
produce the original groups but is no longer updated from Usenet.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com

[Bucky Breeder[_4_]]

comp.mobile.android wrote:

> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>
> It is shocking really!!

The Googles has no use for such trivial matters.

(If you try Yahoo, it will only refer you to the Googles.)

Resistance is futile!

HTH.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and
That witch does not kill you
merely makes you watch FoxNews
and abuse yourself with Cheetos.

Repent : 'The End' is near! Or... just smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[comp.mobile.android]

On 1/11/2013 8:42 AM, Nil wrote:

> Why are you shocked? Do you really think Google listens to or has any
> real interest in the Usenet community?

But as late as 2007 Google added even such "useful" groups as
alt.free.mailservers and alt.comp.google, really!
(Not really popular newsgroups....)

And yes, sometimes writing to Google Groups support helps. In some cases.
(Good that alt.comp.os.windows-8 at least archived by narkive.com.)

--
comp.mobile.android

[Nil[_2_]]

On 11 Jan 2013, "comp.mobile.android"
> wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> But as late as 2007 Google added even such "useful" groups as
> alt.free.mailservers and alt.comp.google, really!
> (Not really popular newsgroups....)

Google is nothing if not inconsistent.

> And yes, sometimes writing to Google Groups support helps. In some
> cases. (Good that alt.comp.os.windows-8 at least archived by
> narkive.com.)

You've had better luck than I. I've written to them many times asking
for them to carry alt.windows7.general and alt.comp.os.windows-8. No
response or action, of course. Not to mention the time wasted
"reporting" spam and abuse. I don't know why they would bother to add
groups such as you mention above when they won't add anything useful or
interesting.

[Warren Post]

On 01/11/2013 02:54 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
>> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!
>>
>> It is shocking really!!
>>
>
> Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days, instead of
> living under bridges in Norway, they all live in Google Groups.

I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The fact that
this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps keep the signal to
noise ratio acceptable.

--
Warren Post
http://my.opera.com/wpost/

[XS11E]

Warren Post > wrote:

> On 01/11/2013 02:54 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>> On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
>>> alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really
>>> true?!
>>>
>>> It is shocking really!!
>>>
>>
>> Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days,
>> instead of living under bridges in Norway, they all live in
>> Google Groups.
>
> I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The
> fact that this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps
> keep the signal to noise ratio acceptable.

Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.

Just join the UIP, see my signature below.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Nil[_2_]]

On 11 Jan 2013, Warren Post > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The
> fact that this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps
> keep the signal to noise ratio acceptable.

If by "Google Gropers" you are making a disparaging reference to those
who post from there, I don't think they are much of a problem anywhere.
At worst, Google Group users are a bit clueless but usually sincerely
want to cooperate and help. The real trolls and troublemakers almost
invariably post through other news services, use "real" newsreaders,
try real hard to disguise their identities, often using anonymous
remailer services.

The main damage Google does to Usenet is to harbor and abet spammers.
Those are separate breed, apart from the regular Groups user. Many
other news services, including the ones I use, manage to filter out the
spam without disturbing the "real" users. This solution works pretty
well for me. GG users are valuable contributors to some of the groups I
monitor and I wouldn't want them to be blocked, or if I do it wouldn't
be on the basis of their posting service and I'd do it myself.

I wish that Google did offer this group because I sometimes read Usenet
on my Android Tablet, and there's no decent newsreader for that
platform, so I'm forced to use GG.

[BillW50]

In ,
Nil typed:
> I wish that Google did offer this group because I sometimes read
> Usenet on my Android Tablet, and there's no decent newsreader for that
> platform, so I'm forced to use GG.

I too have an Android Tablet. But since I now have four Windows tablets,
it just sits in the corner. Have you ever thought about replacing your
Andriod with a Windows tablet?

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1600 Tablet ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino 758 1.5GHz - 1.5GB - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2

[Nil[_2_]]

On 11 Jan 2013, "BillW50" > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> I too have an Android Tablet. But since I now have four Windows
> tablets, it just sits in the corner. Have you ever thought about
> replacing your Andriod with a Windows tablet?

No. I'd rather spend my money on other things right now.

[mac[_7_]]

"Nil" > wrote in message
...

> I wish that Google did offer this group because I sometimes read Usenet
> on my Android Tablet, and there's no decent newsreader for that
> platform, so I'm forced to use GG.

Here is one to try and it is free:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup

Allows multiple server set up, up to now much better than Groundhog!!

Only problem that I have come across is that it appends an advert to the
base of each post:

This, if anyone can come up with a way of disabling that ad' it would be
good :-))

----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://www.piaohong.tk/newsgroup

[comp.mobile.android]

On 1/12/2013 6:46 AM, Nil wrote:

> I wish that Google did offer this group because I sometimes read Usenet
> on my Android Tablet, and there's no decent newsreader for that
> platform, so I'm forced to use GG.

You are welcome then!

To comp.mobile.android to discuss all Android Usenet readers.

--
comp.mobile.android

[Warren Post]

On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>
> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
>
>
> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
it is to block Google Gropers.

At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.

--
Warren Post
http://my.opera.com/wpost/

[Nil[_2_]]

On 11 Jan 2013, XS11E > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>
> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.

Pointless elitism.

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 11/01/2013 11:46 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2013, Warren Post > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The
>> fact that this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps
>> keep the signal to noise ratio acceptable.
>
> If by "Google Gropers" you are making a disparaging reference to those
> who post from there, I don't think they are much of a problem anywhere.
> At worst, Google Group users are a bit clueless but usually sincerely
> want to cooperate and help.
>

That's not been my experience. The nicer ones cause chaos in the groups
by their hopelessly badly formatted mails. A tirade of abuse frequently
follows an attempt to get them to ditch G2 and use a proper newsreader
and a free account with a proper server. Nearly all the really
unpleasant folk post from there, and deleting all posts from Google
Groups instantly gets rid of nearly all the tripe that one otherwise has
to read - most of the bad language and the childishly offensive personal
attacks come from there. If you set filters to remove Google Groups, and
any mail from anywhere that is cross-posted, Usenet instantly becomes
quite pleasant.

The "professional" trolls you refer to elsewhere are few in number and
can usually be dealt with by using individual filters. Most Outlook
Express users can be persuaded to add Quotefix, and Windows Live Mail
users will often switch to something less broken when politely asked.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

[XS11E]

Warren Post > wrote:

> On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
>> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>>
>> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
>>
>> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet
>> Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
> Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan
> as my newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it
> was how easy it is to block Google Gropers.
>
> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
> can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.

I never used T'bird as a newsreader because of it's poor filtering
capabilities, I did like versions 2.x for email but later versions
seemed to get more and more annoying so I dropped it completely.

Xnews uses killfiles and scorefiles very effectively, I can enter
groups that have 100 to 1 noise to good post ratio and see only the one
valid post!


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
> On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
>> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>>
>> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
>>
>>
>> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
>> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
> Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
> newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
> it is to block Google Gropers.
>
> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
> filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
>

It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook. In the
filters screen, select the dropdown and pick "customise", type in
"Message-ID" (minus the speech marks - no colon afterwards) save it, and
you now have Message-ID added to the drop down and can use it as
required. The best use for it is to set a filter for "Message_ID >
contains > googlegroups" and set the bottom section to "delete".

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

You know you're old when your partner says "come upstairs and make love"
and you know you can't do both.

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 1:00 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
>> On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
>>> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>>>
>>> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
>>> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>
>> Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
>> newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
>> it is to block Google Gropers.
>>
>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
>> filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
>>
>
> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook. In the
> filters screen, select the dropdown and pick "customise", type in
> "Message-ID" (minus the speech marks - no colon afterwards) save it, and
> you now have Message-ID added to the drop down and can use it as
> required. The best use for it is to set a filter for "Message_ID>
> contains> googlegroups" and set the bottom section to "delete".

I've been using Thunderbird since v1.5 and I really don't like it much.
Obviously I have to for non-XP machines (including Linux). And rarely do
I hear of a tip that actually makes me like Thunderbird a bit better.
And your tip helped me like it a tad better. ;-)

One thing that really bugged me about Thunderbird (and the rest of the
other readers) is that OE, WM, and WLM has "Show replies to my posts" or
something to this effect. The hotkey is CTRL-H if you must know. The
hotkey combo isn't important, but the effect is.

What this does is to show *only* the subthreads that you posted in. The
whole thread isn't necessarily interesting. So OE shows under this
feature only the possible comments on your posts. I find this so handy
that I don't understand why nobody else has this.

The idea is pretty simple using the headers. Save every reference number
of any post you ever made and all posts after that would have anything
to do with yours would (should) include the reference number of your
post too. I don't know if that is how OE works this out, but that would
be one way.

The best I could get Thunderbird (and many other readers is to mark any
thread as watched that I had posted in. But that isn't often very
useful. Since it is possible to have a thread with thousands of posts,
but only like three that is a part of your subthread. Any idea how to
get Thunderbird to do something like this?

Even classier and I only seen OE6 do this, when I set a rule tell tell
to mark all of my posts as watched, all later posts under that subthread
are also marked as watched and are in red. WLM doesn't even do this
(unsure of WM). And if there is even one single new post in that
subthread marked as watched, the whole folder (newsgroup) changes to
red. And I can see in a nanosecond if there are any replies to any of my
posts in any newsgroup. This is super huge for productivity! Why is
everybody else missing this?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Nil[_2_]]

On 13 Jan 2013, Bob Henson > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> That's not been my experience. The nicer ones cause chaos in the
> groups by their hopelessly badly formatted mails. A tirade of
> abuse frequently follows an attempt to get them to ditch G2 and
> use a proper newsreader and a free account with a proper server.
> Nearly all the really unpleasant folk post from there, and
> deleting all posts from Google Groups instantly gets rid of nearly
> all the tripe that one otherwise has to read - most of the bad
> language and the childishly offensive personal attacks come from
> there. If you set filters to remove Google Groups, and any mail
> from anywhere that is cross-posted, Usenet instantly becomes quite
> pleasant.

Well, that's not at all my experience. Most of them try to do the best
they can with the google system. The ones that are still problems would
still be problems no matter where they posted from.

> The "professional" trolls you refer to elsewhere are few in number
> and can usually be dealt with by using individual filters.

So can problem Google users be filtered.

As I already said, the biggest problems BY FAR are from non-google
posters. The "professional trolls" (good term) are BY FAR the most
destructive force in the groups I monitor, and they are the hardest to
block because they take great pains to make it hard.

I consider blocking all googlers to be ineffective elitism.

[XS11E]

Bob Henson > wrote:

> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:

>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
>> can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.

> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.

You spelled "worst" wrong. T'bird has horrible filtering, it's acually
as bad as Outlook.

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good to
anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's fine
but your Usenet experience could be much better.


--
XS11E, KilOing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:19 +0000, Bob Henson >
wrote:

> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
> > On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
> >> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
> >>
> >> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
> >> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
> >
> > Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
> > newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
> > it is to block Google Gropers.
> >
> > At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
> > filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
> >
>
> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.


Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
Outlook can not even read newsgroups.


--
Ken Blake

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
> Outlook can not even read newsgroups.

Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
just popped up OE6?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Robin Bignall]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:17:46 -0600, BillW50 > wrote:

>On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
>> Outlook can not even read newsgroups.
>
>Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
>Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
>just popped up OE6?

Outlook Express, maybe.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
> Bob Henson > wrote:
>
>> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
>
>>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
>>> can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
>
>> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.
>
> You spelled "worst" wrong. T'bird has horrible filtering, it's acually
> as bad as Outlook.
>
> A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good to
> anyone else.
>
> If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's fine
> but your Usenet experience could be much better.
>
>
I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use and
requires more time than I and many others have available. Whilst we're
trying to find some instructions we could be writing messages, making
coffee - more or less anything would be more productive.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

The penalty for bigamy is two Mother-in-Laws

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 13/01/2013 11:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:19 +0000, Bob Henson >
> wrote:
>
>> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
>>>> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
>>>>
>>>> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
>>>> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>>
>>> Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
>>> newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
>>> it is to block Google Gropers.
>>>
>>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
>>> filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
>>>
>>
>> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.
>
>
> Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
> Outlook can not even read newsgroups.
>
>
Obviously I was thinking of e-mail in that case - I am personally
excessively pedantic, but even I didn't didn't think I would need to
explain that to anyone. Perhaps you have nothing better to do :-)

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 14/01/2013 9:03 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
>> Bob Henson > wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
>>
>>>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
>>>> can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
>>
>>> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.
>>
>> You spelled "worst" wrong. T'bird has horrible filtering, it's acually
>> as bad as Outlook.
>>
>> A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good to
>> anyone else.
>>
>> If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's fine
>> but your Usenet experience could be much better.
>>
>>
> I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use and
> requires more time than I and many others have available. Whilst we're
> trying to find some instructions we could be writing messages, making
> coffee - more or less anything would be more productive.
>

Read "Dialog" - a typo.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

The light at the end of the tunnel is probably the headlights of an
oncoming train!

[Bob Henson[_2_]]

On 13/01/2013 8:53 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 13 Jan 2013, Bob Henson > wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-8:
>
>> That's not been my experience. The nicer ones cause chaos in the
>> groups by their hopelessly badly formatted mails. A tirade of
>> abuse frequently follows an attempt to get them to ditch G2 and
>> use a proper newsreader and a free account with a proper server.
>> Nearly all the really unpleasant folk post from there, and
>> deleting all posts from Google Groups instantly gets rid of nearly
>> all the tripe that one otherwise has to read - most of the bad
>> language and the childishly offensive personal attacks come from
>> there. If you set filters to remove Google Groups, and any mail
>> from anywhere that is cross-posted, Usenet instantly becomes quite
>> pleasant.
>
> Well, that's not at all my experience. Most of them try to do the best
> they can with the google system. The ones that are still problems would
> still be problems no matter where they posted from.
>
>> The "professional" trolls you refer to elsewhere are few in number
>> and can usually be dealt with by using individual filters.
>
> So can problem Google users be filtered.
>
> As I already said, the biggest problems BY FAR are from non-google
> posters. The "professional trolls" (good term) are BY FAR the most
> destructive force in the groups I monitor, and they are the hardest to
> block because they take great pains to make it hard.
>
> I consider blocking all googlers to be ineffective elitism.
>
Well, I and the many others that do it know that it works, so we will
just have to disagree with you. Obviously your system and or chosen
newsgroups are different from everyone else's.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Year - a period of three hundred and sixtyfive disappointments.

[XS11E]

Bob Henson > wrote:

> On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:

>> A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
>> to anyone else.
>>
>> If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
>> fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.
>>
> I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
> and requires more time than I and many others have available.

Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

--
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The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:28:07 -0700, XS11E >
wrote:

>Bob Henson > wrote:
>
>> On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
>
>>> A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
>>> to anyone else.
>>>
>>> If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
>>> fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.
>>>
>> I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
>> and requires more time than I and many others have available.
>
>Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
>takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
>article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score file
rubbish!

Steve

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[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:28:07 -0700, XS11E wrote:

> Bob Henson > wrote:
>
>> On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
>
>>> A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
>>> to anyone else.
>>>
>>> If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
>>> fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.
>>>
>> I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
>> and requires more time than I and many others have available.
>
> Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
> takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
> article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

I'm not so busy, but otherwise, I agree with you :-)

I rarely filter anyone, and by the time I do I've forgotten how I last
did it, but nevertheless, it's not a major event to make a new filter.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:17:46 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

> On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
>> Outlook can not even read newsgroups.
>
> Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
> Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
> just popped up OE6?

That's about what I recall. Maybe it was a bit more complicated that
just popping OE up, but people claimed to do it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:05:21 +0000, Bob Henson >
wrote:

> On 13/01/2013 11:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:19 +0000, Bob Henson >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
> >>> On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
> >>>> Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just join the UIP, see my signature below.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
> >>>> Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
> >>>
> >>> Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
> >>> newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
> >>> it is to block Google Gropers.
> >>>
> >>> At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
> >>> filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.
> >
> >
> > Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
> > Outlook can not even read newsgroups.
> >
> >
> Obviously I was thinking of e-mail in that case - I am personally
> excessively pedantic, but even I didn't didn't think I would need to
> explain that to anyone.


Obviously? In a thread about newsgroups?


> Perhaps you have nothing better to do :-)


If you want to explain that I misunderstood what you meant, and why,
that's fine. No complaints from me. But if you want to throw in an
insulting sentence like that one, I don't appreciate it.


--
Ken Blake

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:33:13 +0000, Robin Bignall
> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:17:46 -0600, BillW50 > wrote:
>
> >On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
> >> Outlook can not even read newsgroups.
> >
> >Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
> >Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
> >just popped up OE6?
>
> Outlook Express, maybe.


Yes, that's what OE6 was. You could get to the Outlook Express
newsreader via Outlook, and the Title Bar even said it was the Outlook
Newsreader. But it wasn't. There was never an Outlook newsreader.
Despite what the Title Bar said, it was Outlook Express.


--
Ken Blake

[XS11E]

Stephen Wolstenholme > wrote:

> I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score
> file rubbish!

Obviously from someone who doesn't understand scoring.


--
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The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:03:15 -0700, XS11E >
wrote:

>Stephen Wolstenholme > wrote:
>
>> I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score
>> file rubbish!
>
>Obviously from someone who doesn't understand scoring.

I understand it but can see no advantage.

Steve

--
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[Nil[_2_]]

On 15 Jan 2013, Stephen Wolstenholme > wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

> I understand it but can see no advantage.

I use Xnews's scoring system to

- identify my own posts and responses to them

- identify favorite posters

- identify trolls and troublemakers

- identify forgers and nymshifters

- identify subjects I'm most interested in

- identify subjects I'm not interested in (say, politics and religion
in a technical newsgroup)

When those posts are identified, I can highlight them or kill them
outright.

The thing that makes Xnews's and some others system most powerful is
that it can use wildcards and regular expressions. A simple killfile
system like many readers have will only collect a list of specific
addresses to kill, which is inefficient and hard to maintain.

I believe Agent has fairly flexible filter features, but if you're only
using the simple kill function you're not getting the most out of the
program.

[anonymous1729532]

On 1/11/2013 6:20 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

> Google groups is way behind Usenet. It copied some of Usenet to
> produce the original groups but is no longer updated from Usenet.

Good there is nnseek.com and narkive.com - both bad ones,!
But - but that is still better than nothing.!

Or maybe we don't need Usenet archives really?
So at least one place on the Internet is fully free from being archived?
(Not fully....)

--
anonymous1729532
alt.binaries.fonts alt.os.linux.ubuntu
comp.internet.services.google misc.phone.mobile.iphone

[Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_]]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:22:04 -0500, Nil
> wrote:

>I believe Agent has fairly flexible filter features, but if you're only
>using the simple kill function you're not getting the most out of the
>program.

I use a set of watch & kill filters that have developed over years of
use. Some use regular expressions and wildcards as needed. I set most
kill filters to expire after 10 days of inactivity so there is rarely
more than about 50 active at the same time. It's all set up as default
so there is nothing to do other than an occasional Ctrl + K.

Steve

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SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com

[David Kaye]

For people's info, a new Usenet group, ba.broadcast.moderated, was created a
year or two ago. It was officially created with an RFP and a control
message and everything, and Google Groups has been carrying it almost since
its inception.