Building new desktop - Win7 or Win8 ??

[John]

I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch
screen) but what do you people think.

Opinions:




Thx,
John

[Glenn]

John wrote:
> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no
> touch screen) but what do you people think.
>
> Opinions:
>
>
>
>
> Thx,
> John

One would need Microsoft to state which will be supported
the longest. I have no problem with using windows 8 with
point and click desktop rather than touch and swish I pad or
whatever.

--

Glenn

[Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_]]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:28:38 -0600, Glenn >
wrote:

>John wrote:
>> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no
>> touch screen) but what do you people think.
>>
>> Opinions:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx,
>> John
>
>One would need Microsoft to state which will be supported
>the longest. I have no problem with using windows 8 with
>point and click desktop rather than touch and swish I pad or
>whatever.

Who really cares how long Microsoft support lasts? If they disappear
completely some other company will fill the gap.

There's always something available while there is money to be made.

Steve

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[Big Steel[_60_]]

On 1/13/2013 6:59 AM, John wrote:
> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch
> screen) but what do you people think.


>
<http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138177-under-the-hood-of-windows-8-or-why-desktop-users-should-upgrade-from-windows-7>

Many hackers have already gone on the record to say that Windows 8 is
(and will be) very hard to break into.

Win 7 is no dog, and it is the most popular O/S in the world at the desktop.

<http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57505093-75/windows-7-overtakes-xp-as-mac-os-x-passes-vista/>

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 7:25 AM, Wolf K wrote:
> ... Clumsy as hell IMO. I'll stick
> with VLC and RealPlayer, much easier to control.

I thought RealPlayer was history and nobody supports it anymore? Plus I
found it super bloated like iTunes. I find VLC is ok for light duty
tasks, but when the going gets tough, they all except WMP falls flat on
their faces when the CPU gets bogged down. WMP seems to always find a
way to get enough CPU time to keep it from falling like so many others do.

> None of the built-in apps do anything I can't already do by other means,
> and mostly better. Weather in particular is pathetic. I have no idea
> what provider MS has contracted with to supply weather data, but I get a
> much better forecast via CBC's weather page. Camera uses the webcam,
> which makes taking photos of yourself easy.

Wow! I like the Metro Weather App. It is nice and clean without the many
ads you see on webpages. I also like the Unit Conversion free App. I've
been looking for such a program as good as this since the 70's. I also
like the news like CNet and stuff in Metro Apps too.

> There are pother apps available, but you need an MS account to get them.
> Freeware is mostly games. Haven't looked at any of the payware. That's
> it so far, will report occasionally as I learn more.

Somebody said in this thread that you can't have more than one App on
the Metro screen at a time. Was that you? Anyway sure you can. You can
have two Metro Apps on the screen at one time (assuming you have enough
screen resolution). As you can snap an App either right or left. Too bad
the divider isn't adjustable though. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Computer]

In article >, says...
>
> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch
> screen) but what do you people think.
>
> Opinions:
>
>
>
>
> Thx,
> John


Go for windows 8 and download Skip Metro suit to use at the beginning

http://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.103

FD

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>
> I thought RealPlayer was history

http://www.real.com/realplayer/search

You and "think" is an oxymoron.

--
Alias

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 10:40 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>
>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>
> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>
> You and "think" is an oxymoron.

RealPlayer used to be virtually everywhere you looked. It often came
preinstalled on computers and RealPlayer format was used for anything
audio and video. Some things were *only* available in RealPlayer format
and nothing else. Thank goodness for Real Alternative back then, as you
could dump RealPlayer and all of its problems and flaws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealPlayer#Controversies

Then flash became the next big rage for audio and video. And sites were
suddenly dropping RealPlayer like a hot potato. And nowadays, it is
virtually non-existent. And I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some
today who never heard of RealPlayer before. Yet there was a time in
history that you couldn't go far without it being in your face all of
the time. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[FD[_4_]]

>
>
> Go for windows 8 and download Skip Metro suit to use at the beginning
>
> http://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.103
>
> FD


Paul Thurrot makes a good case for not avoiding metro even if you want to skip
desktop on bootup.

There are some features of metro that I use regularlynow - weather, Bing News
and currency exchange. The gadgets have been removed from windows 8 desktop

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-tip-boot-directly-desktop-skip-
metro-suite

FD

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 11:18 AM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 1/13/2013 11:01 AM, BillW50 wrote:
>> On 1/13/2013 7:25 AM, Wolf K wrote:
>>> ... Clumsy as hell IMO. I'll stick
>>> with VLC and RealPlayer, much easier to control.
>>
>> I thought RealPlayer was history and nobody supports it anymore? Plus I
>> found it super bloated like iTunes. I find VLC is ok for light duty
>> tasks, but when the going gets tough, they all except WMP falls flat on
>> their faces when the CPU gets bogged down. WMP seems to always find a
>> way to get enough CPU time to keep it from falling like so many others
>> do.
>
> I wonder if that's a CPU/GPU issue. With VLC, the old laptop chples on
> HD-1080 movies, and stutters on HD-720, but is Ok with lower
> resolutions. OTOH, this desktop and the new laptop have no problems with
> either HD.

If you ask me, I don't think it is a really a fault of VLC and other
players when they choke on limited powered machines. As I think
Microsoft is using undocumented calls to ensure WMP gets enough power to
not choke.

You could cause WMP to choke too by doing such things like to keep
underclocking until it chokes too. But at this point, other players
would long had been rendered useless.

>>> None of the built-in apps do anything I can't already do by other means,
>>> and mostly better. Weather in particular is pathetic. I have no idea
>>> what provider MS has contracted with to supply weather data, but I get a
>>> much better forecast via CBC's weather page. Camera uses the webcam,
>>> which makes taking photos of yourself easy.
>>
>> Wow! I like the Metro Weather App. It is nice and clean without the many
>> ads you see on webpages. I also like the Unit Conversion free App. I've
>> been looking for such a program as good as this since the 70's. I also
>> like the news like CNet and stuff in Metro Apps too.
>
> Well, I don't care about TV news on any platform. Too limited. Radio can
> do two to three times as much in the same time, and print is even more
> efficient. So those apps are irrelevant to me. I do like web versions of
> some print media, though. Metro is neither an advantage or a
> disadvantage for that.

Oh I wasn't think along the lines of TV or radio substitution. Although
I guess you could do this too under Metro. Although I don't program
Metro Apps and I don't really know how far they can be advanced to. As
right now Metro is in its infancy. So I am sure they are far from being
what they could be right now. And later, I believe they will only get
much better.

>>> There are other apps available, but you need an MS account to get them.
>>> Freeware is mostly games. Haven't looked at any of the payware. That's
>>> it so far, will report occasionally as I learn more.
>>
>> Somebody said in this thread that you can't have more than one App on
>> the Metro screen at a time. Was that you
>
> Yes.
>
>> Anyway sure you can. You can
>> have two Metro Apps on the screen at one time (assuming you have enough
>> screen resolution). As you can snap an App either right or left. Too bad
>> the divider isn't adjustable though. :-(
>
> IOW, Metro is severely limited. Thanks for confirming my growing
> suspicions. ;-)
>
> IMO, it's a no brainer that if you are running multiple programs there
> should be a task bar or "dock" or whatever, so you can switch with a
> single click.
>
> So far, only the Camera app is a Nifty New Gadget from my POV.

Well right now you can have both or one or the other with Windows 8. And
I see this as a good thing. And yes, there are lots of advantages on the
desktop side. And I even use the desktop a lot too. But the Windows
desktop is very mature and Metro is in its infancy. So I think comparing
right now is a bit unfair. Just in a few months or even a couple of
years from now I am sure Metro would be much better. Would you (we)
change your (our) mind(s) by then? Maybe? ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 12:17 PM, FD wrote:
>
> The gadgets have been removed from windows 8 desktop

You do know that you can get gadgets back under Windows 8, right? As I
have gadgets on mine right now. ;-)

8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8
http://8gadgetpack.bplaced.net/

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[choro]

On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:
> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>
>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>
> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>
> You and "think" is an oxymoron.

Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
choro
*****

[Ashton Crusher[_2_]]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:59:16 -0500, John > wrote:

>I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch
>screen) but what do you people think.
>
>Opinions:
>
>
>
>
>Thx,
>John


If it's for others to use and their use is of routine programs over
and over and you want to minimize support questions I'd go with 7. I'd
only use 8 if it was for myself and I wanted to start learning the ins
and outs of 8 just to keep up with the latest OS.

[Ken Blake[_4_]]

> On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:

> > On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought RealPlayer was history
> >
> > http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
> >
> > You and "think" is an oxymoron.


I love it! One troll attacking another!

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/13/2013 9:26 PM, choro wrote:
> On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:
>> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>
>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>
>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>
> Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
> that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
> choro
> *****

I was not extolling the virtues of Real Player. I don't have it on any
of my machines, nor would I recommend anyone using it. I was merely
pointing out that BillW50 was wrong again and the Real Player does
indeed still exist.

--
Alias

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:42:25 +0100, Alias wrote:

> On 1/13/2013 9:26 PM, choro wrote:
>> On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:
>>> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>>
>>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>>
>>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>>
>> Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
>> that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
>> choro
>> *****
>
> I was not extolling the virtues of Real Player. I don't have it on any
> of my machines, nor would I recommend anyone using it. I was merely
> pointing out that BillW50 was wrong again and the Real Player does
> indeed still exist.

It does indeed.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 6:00 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:42:25 +0100, Alias wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/2013 9:26 PM, choro wrote:
>>> On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>>>
>>>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>>>
>>>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>>>
>>> Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
>>> that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
>>> choro
>>> *****
>>
>> I was not extolling the virtues of Real Player. I don't have it on any
>> of my machines, nor would I recommend anyone using it. I was merely
>> pointing out that BillW50 was wrong again and the Real Player does
>> indeed still exist.
>
> It does indeed.

You mean like horse and buggy still exists? ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[BillW50]

On 1/13/2013 5:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> I love it! One troll attacking another!

Wishful thinking Ken. Just because you fear what you don't understand
doesn't make one a troll.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/14/2013 1:10 AM, BillW50 wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>>>>
>>>>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>>>>
>>>> Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
>>>> that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
>>>> choro
>>>> *****
>>>
>>> I was not extolling the virtues of Real Player. I don't have it on any
>>> of my machines, nor would I recommend anyone using it. I was merely
>>> pointing out that BillW50 was wrong again and the Real Player does
>>> indeed still exist.
>>
>> It does indeed.
>
> You mean like horse and buggy still exists? ;-)
>

More like Window Media Player.

--
Alias

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/13/2013 6:49 PM, BillW50 wrote:

>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>
>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>
>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>
> RealPlayer used to be virtually everywhere you looked. It often came
> preinstalled on computers and RealPlayer format was used for anything
> audio and video. Some things were *only* available in RealPlayer format
> and nothing else. Thank goodness for Real Alternative back then, as you
> could dump RealPlayer and all of its problems and flaws.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealPlayer#Controversies
>
> Then flash became the next big rage for audio and video. And sites were
> suddenly dropping RealPlayer like a hot potato. And nowadays, it is
> virtually non-existent. And I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some
> today who never heard of RealPlayer before. Yet there was a time in
> history that you couldn't go far without it being in your face all of
> the time. :-(
>

Do you *think* you are telling me something I don't already know? You
said it's history. It's not.

--
Alias

[Alias[_43_]]

On 1/14/2013 1:22 AM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 1/13/2013 5:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> I love it! One troll attacking another!
>
> Wishful thinking Ken. Just because you fear what you don't understand
> doesn't make one a troll.
>

You're not a troll. You're a braggart, liar and give out bad advice but
you *think* you're doing good.

--
Alias

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:24:30 +0100, "Alias"
> wrote in article <kd0ptg$gpp$2@dont-
email.me>...
>
> On 1/14/2013 1:22 AM, BillW50 wrote:
> > On 1/13/2013 5:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> I love it! One troll attacking another!
> >
> > Wishful thinking Ken. Just because you fear what you don't understand
> > doesn't make one a troll.
> >
>
> You're not a troll. You're a braggart, liar and give out bad advice but
> you *think* you're doing good.

But he's still a troll.

--
Zaphod

"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:10:23 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

> On 1/13/2013 6:00 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:42:25 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/13/2013 9:26 PM, choro wrote:
>>>> On 13/01/2013 16:40, Alias wrote:
>>>>> On 1/13/2013 5:01 PM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought RealPlayer was history
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.real.com/realplayer/search
>>>>>
>>>>> You and "think" is an oxymoron.
>>>>
>>>> Me also tinks Real Player is history. There are far better programs for
>>>> that sort of thing. Not necessarily freeware though! --
>>>> choro
>>>> *****
>>>
>>> I was not extolling the virtues of Real Player. I don't have it on any
>>> of my machines, nor would I recommend anyone using it. I was merely
>>> pointing out that BillW50 was wrong again and the Real Player does
>>> indeed still exist.
>>
>> It does indeed.
>
> You mean like horse and buggy still exists? ;-)

I was searching for media players the other day, and one of the choices
I had was...wait for it...Real Player.

Here's proof that it's real: http://www.real.com (pun intended).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gadfly[_2_]]

Win8 takes several clicks to shut down. Here is how to create a single click
shutdown and restart button on the Start screen and desktop:
To create a Shutdown shortcut on the Desktop, right-click on an empty space
on the Desktop and select New => Shortcut. A menu containing a option called
Shortcut appears. Click on it to open the Create Shortcut window. Enter this
command in its box: shutdown /s /t 0 (last character is a zero). Click Next.
Give the shortcut a name, such as Shutdown and click the Finish button. It
should appear on the Desktop.

You can change its icon by right-clicking on the shortcut and clicking
Properties in the menu that comes up.

A window appears called Shutdown Properties. Open the Shortcut tab and click
its Change Icon button. You can then choose an icon from the ones shown.
Right-click the shortcut on the Desktop and click Pin to Start, which
creates a Shutdown tile on the Start screen that you can drag into a desired
position.

To create a Restart button, follow the same steps using the command:
shutdown /r /t 0

From: Essential information on using Windows 8 and upgrading to Win8 from
Windows 7, Vista and XP -

http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/Essential-information-on-upgrading-to-windows-8.htm

"John" > wrote in message
...
>I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch screen)
>but what do you people think.
>
> Opinions:
>
>
>
>
> Thx,
> John

[Paul]

Gadfly wrote:
> Win8 takes several clicks to shut down. Here is how to create a single click
> shutdown and restart button on the Start screen and desktop:
> To create a Shutdown shortcut on the Desktop, right-click on an empty space
> on the Desktop and select New => Shortcut. A menu containing a option called
> Shortcut appears. Click on it to open the Create Shortcut window. Enter this
> command in its box: shutdown /s /t 0 (last character is a zero). Click Next.
> Give the shortcut a name, such as Shutdown and click the Finish button. It
> should appear on the Desktop.
>
> You can change its icon by right-clicking on the shortcut and clicking
> Properties in the menu that comes up.
>
> A window appears called Shutdown Properties. Open the Shortcut tab and click
> its Change Icon button. You can then choose an icon from the ones shown.
> Right-click the shortcut on the Desktop and click Pin to Start, which
> creates a Shutdown tile on the Start screen that you can drag into a desired
> position.
>
> To create a Restart button, follow the same steps using the command:
> shutdown /r /t 0
>

Does the power button on the front of the computer still work ?
That's a single click.

:-)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/14956-power-button-action-change-windows-8-a.html

Paul

[Dick[_4_]]

On 3/19/2013 12:16 PM, Gadfly wrote:
> Win8 takes several clicks to shut down. Here is how to create a single click
> shutdown and restart button on the Start screen and desktop:
> To create a Shutdown shortcut on the Desktop, right-click on an empty space
> on the Desktop and select New => Shortcut. A menu containing a option called
> Shortcut appears. Click on it to open the Create Shortcut window. Enter this
> command in its box: shutdown /s /t 0 (last character is a zero). Click Next.
> Give the shortcut a name, such as Shutdown and click the Finish button. It
> should appear on the Desktop.
>
> You can change its icon by right-clicking on the shortcut and clicking
> Properties in the menu that comes up.
>
> A window appears called Shutdown Properties. Open the Shortcut tab and click
> its Change Icon button. You can then choose an icon from the ones shown.
> Right-click the shortcut on the Desktop and click Pin to Start, which
> creates a Shutdown tile on the Start screen that you can drag into a desired
> position.
>
> To create a Restart button, follow the same steps using the command:
> shutdown /r /t 0
>
> From: Essential information on using Windows 8 and upgrading to Win8 from
> Windows 7, Vista and XP -
>
> http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/Essential-information-on-upgrading-to-windows-8.htm
>
> "John" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch screen)
>> but what do you people think.
>>
>> Opinions:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx,
>> John
>
>
Actually, to get the same effect as the power off button in Win8 you
need to add the /hybrid switch to the shutdown command:

shutdown /hybrid /s /t 0

Dick

[Darklight]

On 19/03/13 21:29, Dick wrote:
> On 3/19/2013 12:16 PM, Gadfly wrote:
>> Win8 takes several clicks to shut down. Here is how to create a single
>> click
>> shutdown and restart button on the Start screen and desktop:
>> To create a Shutdown shortcut on the Desktop, right-click on an empty
>> space
>> on the Desktop and select New => Shortcut. A menu containing a option
>> called
>> Shortcut appears. Click on it to open the Create Shortcut window.
>> Enter this
>> command in its box: shutdown /s /t 0 (last character is a zero). Click
>> Next.
>> Give the shortcut a name, such as Shutdown and click the Finish
>> button. It
>> should appear on the Desktop.
>>
>> You can change its icon by right-clicking on the shortcut and clicking
>> Properties in the menu that comes up.
>>
>> A window appears called Shutdown Properties. Open the Shortcut tab and
>> click
>> its Change Icon button. You can then choose an icon from the ones shown.
>> Right-click the shortcut on the Desktop and click Pin to Start, which
>> creates a Shutdown tile on the Start screen that you can drag into a
>> desired
>> position.
>>
>> To create a Restart button, follow the same steps using the command:
>> shutdown /r /t 0
>>
>> From: Essential information on using Windows 8 and upgrading to Win8 from
>> Windows 7, Vista and XP -
>>
>> http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/Essential-information-on-upgrading-to-windows-8.htm
>>
>>
>> "John" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I am leaning toward 7 because it will be a work station (no touch
>>> screen)
>>> but what do you people think.
>>>
>>> Opinions:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>> John
>>
>>
> Actually, to get the same effect as the power off button in Win8 you
> need to add the /hybrid switch to the shutdown command:
>
> shutdown /hybrid /s /t 0
>
> Dick


worked a treat thanks!