What is with this stupid thing?

[[email protected]]

I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
named NEW FOLDER (default).

(I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)

Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
notice. It wont let me rename it either.
(The folder is empty, and never contained any files).

Why cant I delete it????

I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
trouble.

Why not this one???
It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
it...

[Paul]

wrote:
> I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
> named NEW FOLDER (default).
>
> (I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)
>
> Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
> notice. It wont let me rename it either.
> (The folder is empty, and never contained any files).
>
> Why cant I delete it????
>
> I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
> trouble.
>
> Why not this one???
> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
> it...

It (AVG) is an anti-virus program.

If you were an AV writer, would you want malware
bunking down in your folder ? I think not :-)
That means the folder needs to be protected.

Either the permissions on the folder are set that
way, or some AVG code module is "watching you".

Note that, even some products, where the subscription
has expired, parts of it are still "armed". Only
after you've used the AV company "cleaner" program,
is there a hope of ridding yourself of all
side-effects.

And if you really want to delete stuff, do it from
Linux. If you delete the right things, your Windows
OS will stop booting :-)

Paul

[R.Wieser]

Radarlove,

> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why
> I can not delete it...

Paul explained the why of it, though I find it odd that, in that case, you
could create that folder there to begin with.

But have you tried logging in as admin and than removing it ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
> schreef in berichtnieuws
...
> I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
> named NEW FOLDER (default).
>
> (I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)
>
> Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
> notice. It wont let me rename it either.
> (The folder is empty, and never contained any files).
>
> Why cant I delete it????
>
> I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
> trouble.
>
> Why not this one???
> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
> it...
>
>

[Ben Myers[_9_]]

> wrote in message ...
>I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
> named NEW FOLDER (default).
> (I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)
> Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
> notice. It wont let me rename it either.
> (The folder is empty, and never contained any files).
> Why cant I delete it????
> I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
> trouble.
> Why not this one???
> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
> it...

If you want to remove it permanently, try holding down the "Shift" while deleting.

Ben

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:55:48 +0200, "R.Wieser" >
wrote:

>
>> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why
>> I can not delete it...
>
>Paul explained the why of it, though I find it odd that, in that case, you
>could create that folder there to begin with.
>
>But have you tried logging in as admin and than removing it ?
>
>Regards,
>Rudy Wieser

I'm always logged in as Administrator.
There are only two "users"
PC-USER (which is Admin)
Guest (Which has nothing but a logo for IE and Recycle bin)

It defaults to PC-User, which is all I use, because no one else uses my
computers.

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:12:25 -0400, "Ben Myers" >
wrote:

> wrote in message ...
>>I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
>> named NEW FOLDER (default).
>> (I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)
>> Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
>> notice. It wont let me rename it either.
>> (The folder is empty, and never contained any files).
>> Why cant I delete it????
>> I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
>> trouble.
>> Why not this one???
>> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
>> it...
>
>If you want to remove it permanently, try holding down the "Shift" while deleting.
>
>Ben

Just tried this. Still wont delete!

If this was an older compter. I'd just boot to Dos from a floppy and
remove that folder. But they dont even have a floppy drive on this
machine. Plus, it has NTFS on the HDD, so I could not access the HDD
anyhow. So much for "progress".

Then people wonder why I prefer Win98 !!!!!!

I do wonder why it let me make that folder in the first place, if that
AVG folder is so "secret" and "important"???

I suppose I could waste more time and disable the AV (which is really
not needed anyhow, since this computer wont be used online), but my time
is worth more than all of that.....

I'm not gonna worry about it, it's not hurting anything.

[Andy[_17_]]

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:12:25 -0400, "Ben Myers" >
> wrote:
>
> > wrote in message ...
> >>I accidentally created a folder in PROGRAM FILES/AVG/AVG2014. It's
> >> named NEW FOLDER (default).
> >> (I thought I was in PROGRAM FILES when I made it)
> >> Anyhow, it refuses to let me delete it. Gives an "Access Denied"
> >> notice. It wont let me rename it either.
> >> (The folder is empty, and never contained any files).
> >> Why cant I delete it????
> >> I can make a folder in PROGRAM FILES and rename or delete it with no
> >> trouble.
> >> Why not this one???
> >> It's not hurting anything, I just dont understand why I can not delete
> >> it...
> >
> >If you want to remove it permanently, try holding down the "Shift" while deleting.
> >
> >Ben
>
> Just tried this. Still wont delete!
>
> If this was an older compter. I'd just boot to Dos from a floppy and
> remove that folder. But they dont even have a floppy drive on this
> machine. Plus, it has NTFS on the HDD, so I could not access the HDD
> anyhow. So much for "progress".
>
> Then people wonder why I prefer Win98 !!!!!!
>
> I do wonder why it let me make that folder in the first place, if that
> AVG folder is so "secret" and "important"???
>
> I suppose I could waste more time and disable the AV (which is really
> not needed anyhow, since this computer wont be used online), but my time
> is worth more than all of that.....
>
> I'm not gonna worry about it, it's not hurting anything.

Put Linux on a pendrive.

Then you can delete anything on any Windows partition.

Andy

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:49:21 -0700 (PDT), Andy
> wrote:

>>
>> I suppose I could waste more time and disable the AV (which is really
>> not needed anyhow, since this computer wont be used online), but my time
>> is worth more than all of that.....
>>
>> I'm not gonna worry about it, it's not hurting anything.
>
>Put Linux on a pendrive.
>
>Then you can delete anything on any Windows partition.
>
>Andy

I know that woild work, but putting Linux on a pen drive and getting it
to boot from that stick probably requires a 4 year college degree in
computer programming. My prior attempts to use Linux have left me with a
very bad opinion of it. I'm sure I cant just download it to a pen drive.
Otherwise I might try.

Then too, can Linux even read a NTFS drive, or is it just for Fat32 and
the dedicated linus HDD formats?

Plus, saying "Linux" is very vague, since there are hundreds of flavors
of it, which in itself makes it very confusing.
If this was possible for me to do, I'd want the smallest and most basic
and simple Linux. I'd not likely use it for anything else, so no sense
spending hours downloading a huge multi-gigabyte variety.

[Paul]

wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:49:21 -0700 (PDT), Andy
> > wrote:
>
>>> I suppose I could waste more time and disable the AV (which is really
>>> not needed anyhow, since this computer wont be used online), but my time
>>> is worth more than all of that.....
>>>
>>> I'm not gonna worry about it, it's not hurting anything.
>> Put Linux on a pendrive.
>>
>> Then you can delete anything on any Windows partition.
>>
>> Andy
>
> I know that woild work, but putting Linux on a pen drive and getting it
> to boot from that stick probably requires a 4 year college degree in
> computer programming. My prior attempts to use Linux have left me with a
> very bad opinion of it. I'm sure I cant just download it to a pen drive.
> Otherwise I might try.
>
> Then too, can Linux even read a NTFS drive, or is it just for Fat32 and
> the dedicated linus HDD formats?
>
> Plus, saying "Linux" is very vague, since there are hundreds of flavors
> of it, which in itself makes it very confusing.
> If this was possible for me to do, I'd want the smallest and most basic
> and simple Linux. I'd not likely use it for anything else, so no sense
> spending hours downloading a huge multi-gigabyte variety.

Linux has been reading NTFS, since Knoppix 5.1 or so.
That would be around the beginning of 2007 (eight years ago).

*******

A mainstream distro, would be something from here. I normally
keep a Mint Mate distro on a USB key. But my USB key broke, so
that one is dead right now.

http://www.linuxmint.com

That would be around 1.1GB. These things used to average
around 700MB, but they've ballooned a bit.

And if you want one in the 200-300MB range, be prepared
for surprises. I downloaded one within the last 24 hours,
a small one, and it wouldn't finish booting. (It was an
Xwindows failure, because it couldn't "see" the video card.)

Look at it this way. No useful Linux is going to download
over your dialup. Each one is a trip to town. Whether
it was 700MB, or 1.1GB, it's about the same amount of
effort for you - a trip to town.

There are some actually, that are multi-gigabyte. I have
a Gentoo demonstrator disc, that is 3GB. I think there was
a Knoppix that big (but it was a bit more useful). But a number of
others will be in the 700-1100MB range. And if you put them on
a DVD, the media read rate on the DVD can be a bit faster
than the CD, so forcing you to use a DVD is a good thing,
speed-wise.

Paul

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:49:00 -0400, Paul > wrote:

>
>Linux has been reading NTFS, since Knoppix 5.1 or so.
>That would be around the beginning of 2007 (eight years ago).
>
>*******
>
>A mainstream distro, would be something from here. I normally
>keep a Mint Mate distro on a USB key. But my USB key broke, so
>that one is dead right now.
>
>http://www.linuxmint.com
>
>That would be around 1.1GB. These things used to average
>around 700MB, but they've ballooned a bit.
>
>And if you want one in the 200-300MB range, be prepared
>for surprises. I downloaded one within the last 24 hours,
>a small one, and it wouldn't finish booting. (It was an
>Xwindows failure, because it couldn't "see" the video card.)
>
>Look at it this way. No useful Linux is going to download
>over your dialup. Each one is a trip to town. Whether
>it was 700MB, or 1.1GB, it's about the same amount of
>effort for you - a trip to town.
>
>There are some actually, that are multi-gigabyte. I have
>a Gentoo demonstrator disc, that is 3GB. I think there was
>a Knoppix that big (but it was a bit more useful). But a number of
>others will be in the 700-1100MB range. And if you put them on
>a DVD, the media read rate on the DVD can be a bit faster
>than the CD, so forcing you to use a DVD is a good thing,
>speed-wise.
>
> Paul

Why have they gotten so big? Let me guess, they're trying to out do
Microsoft with bloat!

I had several linux varieties on CD's given to me about 8 years ago. All
fit on one CD.

I never knew DVDs were faster than CDs. I would have thought it would be
the other way around, (due to less data to read).

But just downloading it would do me no good, since I know I cant just
place the downloaded file on a flash drive and expect it to boot.

[Paul]

wrote:

>
> Why have they gotten so big? Let me guess, they're trying to out do
> Microsoft with bloat!
>
> I had several linux varieties on CD's given to me about 8 years ago. All
> fit on one CD.
>
> I never knew DVDs were faster than CDs. I would have thought it would be
> the other way around, (due to less data to read).
>
> But just downloading it would do me no good, since I know I cant just
> place the downloaded file on a flash drive and expect it to boot.
>

There are several cases:

1) Hybrid images. Some ISO files now, are designed to be copied
byte for byte, to a USB key. Using a disk dump command. So the
ISO image has boot materials for USB. Naturally, this will
not be documented anywhere you can easily find it. I would
not consider this the norm.

2) Some distros come with a USB key creator. Ubuntu has usb-creator-gtk
which copies the ISO to the USB stick, and installs the right
USB boot materials. I have successfully run Ubuntu from a DVD,
then used the usb-creator-gtk to load Linux Mint onto the USB stick.

3) Third party tools, like Unetbootin or Pen Drive Linux, may be
a solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unetbootin

Pen Drive Linux (YUMI)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems

The only way to find out, is try them.

Download Linux Mint 17 Mate in town, then come back and work
through the options until you find one that works.

If you will always be using the key on the same computer,
I recommend placing the "persistent store file" on your
hard drive. It's possible a 4GB casper-rw file will
fit on a FAT32 partition of your choosing. My Linux
Mint stick, used to keep the casper-rw file right
on the stick, and that's why the stick broke. You
won't have nearly the problem with TLC based USB flash
sticks... if you put the persistent home directory on
your hard drive. As the hard drive is insensitive to
the number of writes involved.

The details aren't on here, but I have seen mention
of putting casper-rw on a FAT32 partition. The USB stick,
by the way, tends to be FAT32, so any squashfs file on it
(read only operating system image) has to stay below 4GB
for portability. That's one limit to the bloat.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent

If you add packages to a Linux distro, they go in the
persistent store, not the original OS image. If you run
a USB flash stick without a persistent file, then every
time you boot is a "clean session" with only the
originally provided tools stored in the squashfs
(as you'd expect). So it is possible to run the USB
stick without any "memory" of what happened, just like
the USB stick was a DVD boot disc.

Paul

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:40:43 -0400, Paul > wrote:

>
>3) Third party tools, like Unetbootin or Pen Drive Linux, may be
> a solution.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unetbootin
>
> Pen Drive Linux (YUMI)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
>
>The only way to find out, is try them.
>
>Download Linux Mint 17 Mate in town, then come back and work
>through the options until you find one that works.
>
>If you will always be using the key on the same computer,
>I recommend placing the "persistent store file" on your
>hard drive. It's possible a 4GB casper-rw file will
>fit on a FAT32 partition of your choosing. My Linux
>Mint stick, used to keep the casper-rw file right
>on the stick, and that's why the stick broke. You
>won't have nearly the problem with TLC based USB flash
>sticks... if you put the persistent home directory on
>your hard drive. As the hard drive is insensitive to
>the number of writes involved.

Just for the heck of it, I did as you said. I downloaded Linux Mint 17
Mate in town, and Unetbootin. It was easy to run, except the first few
times I did it, it would not boot. For some reason the 8GB flash drive
would not work, but a 2GB one does work and boots just fine.

But there is another problem. Linux Mint loads, but after a few minutes
of playing with it, it causes a total video lockup. It's done this
everytime I loaded it. The screen just turns into a blur of colors and
is locked up. (The only way to exit is to unplug the computer, even the
switch dont shut it off).

Just for the hell of it, I had a .copy of PC-Linux 8.x which I
downloaded a few years ago, using Unetbootin, I installed Pc-Linux on
the same 2G flash drive and it works fine, without any video lockups.

Since I dont intend to actually run Linux, this will work for hacking
XP, and I did delete that unwanted folder.
Pc-Linux is a lot smaller too. Around 700megs.

PS. I was even playing some videos with VLC in PC-Linux and they
displayed fine with no video problems.... This computer is probably too
old for Mint 17.

[Paul]

wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:40:43 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>
>> 3) Third party tools, like Unetbootin or Pen Drive Linux, may be
>> a solution.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unetbootin
>>
>> Pen Drive Linux (YUMI)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
>>
>> The only way to find out, is try them.
>>
>> Download Linux Mint 17 Mate in town, then come back and work
>> through the options until you find one that works.
>>
>> If you will always be using the key on the same computer,
>> I recommend placing the "persistent store file" on your
>> hard drive. It's possible a 4GB casper-rw file will
>> fit on a FAT32 partition of your choosing. My Linux
>> Mint stick, used to keep the casper-rw file right
>> on the stick, and that's why the stick broke. You
>> won't have nearly the problem with TLC based USB flash
>> sticks... if you put the persistent home directory on
>> your hard drive. As the hard drive is insensitive to
>> the number of writes involved.
>
> Just for the heck of it, I did as you said. I downloaded Linux Mint 17
> Mate in town, and Unetbootin. It was easy to run, except the first few
> times I did it, it would not boot. For some reason the 8GB flash drive
> would not work, but a 2GB one does work and boots just fine.
>
> But there is another problem. Linux Mint loads, but after a few minutes
> of playing with it, it causes a total video lockup. It's done this
> everytime I loaded it. The screen just turns into a blur of colors and
> is locked up. (The only way to exit is to unplug the computer, even the
> switch dont shut it off).
>
> Just for the hell of it, I had a .copy of PC-Linux 8.x which I
> downloaded a few years ago, using Unetbootin, I installed Pc-Linux on
> the same 2G flash drive and it works fine, without any video lockups.
>
> Since I dont intend to actually run Linux, this will work for hacking
> XP, and I did delete that unwanted folder.
> Pc-Linux is a lot smaller too. Around 700megs.
>
> PS. I was even playing some videos with VLC in PC-Linux and they
> displayed fine with no video problems.... This computer is probably too
> old for Mint 17.

Modern Linux distros use hardware acceleration for things
like Compiz. And I don't know what subsystem on the video
card that uses, and whether regular Windows usage would
test the same stuff or not.

Back when Compiz was a joke, you could disable it.
I tried to disable it recently, and couldn't figure out
a way to make it go away completely.

You would need to change the DE (Desktop Environment) on
your Mint setup, to test that. Apparently it's possible
to change DEs, and use another one. But I haven't done it.
I tend to get my desired DE, by downloading a distro where
that DE is the one delivered as the main DE. It might be
a couple hundred megabyte download, on a running OS, to
change the DE with the package manager.

I wish I had a proper video card test utility...
I have absolutely nothing I can use myself, or
give to anyone else, to properly test a video card.
I have no way to tell you your video card is good or bad.
Presumably they have such utilities at the factory.

Paul

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:58:34 -0400, Paul > wrote:

wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:40:43 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>
>>> 3) Third party tools, like Unetbootin or Pen Drive Linux, may be
>>> a solution.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unetbootin
>>>
>>> Pen Drive Linux (YUMI)
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
>>>
>>> The only way to find out, is try them.
>>>
>>> Download Linux Mint 17 Mate in town, then come back and work
>>> through the options until you find one that works.
>>>
>>> If you will always be using the key on the same computer,
>>> I recommend placing the "persistent store file" on your
>>> hard drive. It's possible a 4GB casper-rw file will
>>> fit on a FAT32 partition of your choosing. My Linux
>>> Mint stick, used to keep the casper-rw file right
>>> on the stick, and that's why the stick broke. You
>>> won't have nearly the problem with TLC based USB flash
>>> sticks... if you put the persistent home directory on
>>> your hard drive. As the hard drive is insensitive to
>>> the number of writes involved.
>>
>> Just for the heck of it, I did as you said. I downloaded Linux Mint 17
>> Mate in town, and Unetbootin. It was easy to run, except the first few
>> times I did it, it would not boot. For some reason the 8GB flash drive
>> would not work, but a 2GB one does work and boots just fine.
>>
>> But there is another problem. Linux Mint loads, but after a few minutes
>> of playing with it, it causes a total video lockup. It's done this
>> everytime I loaded it. The screen just turns into a blur of colors and
>> is locked up. (The only way to exit is to unplug the computer, even the
>> switch dont shut it off).
>>
>> Just for the hell of it, I had a .copy of PC-Linux 8.x which I
>> downloaded a few years ago, using Unetbootin, I installed Pc-Linux on
>> the same 2G flash drive and it works fine, without any video lockups.
>>
>> Since I dont intend to actually run Linux, this will work for hacking
>> XP, and I did delete that unwanted folder.
>> Pc-Linux is a lot smaller too. Around 700megs.
>>
>> PS. I was even playing some videos with VLC in PC-Linux and they
>> displayed fine with no video problems.... This computer is probably too
>> old for Mint 17.
>
>Modern Linux distros use hardware acceleration for things
>like Compiz. And I don't know what subsystem on the video
>card that uses, and whether regular Windows usage would
>test the same stuff or not.
>
>Back when Compiz was a joke, you could disable it.
>I tried to disable it recently, and couldn't figure out
>a way to make it go away completely.
>
>You would need to change the DE (Desktop Environment) on
>your Mint setup, to test that. Apparently it's possible
>to change DEs, and use another one. But I haven't done it.
>I tend to get my desired DE, by downloading a distro where
>that DE is the one delivered as the main DE. It might be
>a couple hundred megabyte download, on a running OS, to
>change the DE with the package manager.
>
>I wish I had a proper video card test utility...
>I have absolutely nothing I can use myself, or
>give to anyone else, to properly test a video card.
>I have no way to tell you your video card is good or bad.
>Presumably they have such utilities at the factory.
>
> Paul

My video card works fine on XP, and it also works fine on PC-Linux,
including their latest 2014 version which I downloaded yesterday, just
to find out if it would work. I got the Mate and the LXDE (something
like that). One thing I never understood about Linux is why they have
KDE - LXDE - Full Monty and MATE on every type of distro. From looking
at the desktop pictures, all the difference is just different looking
icons and text. Why dont they just put all of them on the same download
so the user can choose the one they like without having to download adn
install it 4 times.

You lost me on the Compiz. What is that??????

My built in video card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6100n Force 405.

The bios is dated 2008, so I assume so is the video card and other parts
of the system. The Pc-Linux that worked was from 2008 (with KDE
desktop), but now that 2014 version is working just fine too. (with Mate
desktop). I also downloaded the one with the LXDE. Have not tried it
yet, but tht one says its for older computers.

[Paul]

wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:58:34 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:40:43 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>>
>>>> 3) Third party tools, like Unetbootin or Pen Drive Linux, may be
>>>> a solution.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unetbootin
>>>>
>>>> Pen Drive Linux (YUMI)
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
>>>>
>>>> The only way to find out, is try them.
>>>>
>>>> Download Linux Mint 17 Mate in town, then come back and work
>>>> through the options until you find one that works.
>>>>
>>>> If you will always be using the key on the same computer,
>>>> I recommend placing the "persistent store file" on your
>>>> hard drive. It's possible a 4GB casper-rw file will
>>>> fit on a FAT32 partition of your choosing. My Linux
>>>> Mint stick, used to keep the casper-rw file right
>>>> on the stick, and that's why the stick broke. You
>>>> won't have nearly the problem with TLC based USB flash
>>>> sticks... if you put the persistent home directory on
>>>> your hard drive. As the hard drive is insensitive to
>>>> the number of writes involved.
>>> Just for the heck of it, I did as you said. I downloaded Linux Mint 17
>>> Mate in town, and Unetbootin. It was easy to run, except the first few
>>> times I did it, it would not boot. For some reason the 8GB flash drive
>>> would not work, but a 2GB one does work and boots just fine.
>>>
>>> But there is another problem. Linux Mint loads, but after a few minutes
>>> of playing with it, it causes a total video lockup. It's done this
>>> everytime I loaded it. The screen just turns into a blur of colors and
>>> is locked up. (The only way to exit is to unplug the computer, even the
>>> switch dont shut it off).
>>>
>>> Just for the hell of it, I had a .copy of PC-Linux 8.x which I
>>> downloaded a few years ago, using Unetbootin, I installed Pc-Linux on
>>> the same 2G flash drive and it works fine, without any video lockups.
>>>
>>> Since I dont intend to actually run Linux, this will work for hacking
>>> XP, and I did delete that unwanted folder.
>>> Pc-Linux is a lot smaller too. Around 700megs.
>>>
>>> PS. I was even playing some videos with VLC in PC-Linux and they
>>> displayed fine with no video problems.... This computer is probably too
>>> old for Mint 17.
>> Modern Linux distros use hardware acceleration for things
>> like Compiz. And I don't know what subsystem on the video
>> card that uses, and whether regular Windows usage would
>> test the same stuff or not.
>>
>> Back when Compiz was a joke, you could disable it.
>> I tried to disable it recently, and couldn't figure out
>> a way to make it go away completely.
>>
>> You would need to change the DE (Desktop Environment) on
>> your Mint setup, to test that. Apparently it's possible
>> to change DEs, and use another one. But I haven't done it.
>> I tend to get my desired DE, by downloading a distro where
>> that DE is the one delivered as the main DE. It might be
>> a couple hundred megabyte download, on a running OS, to
>> change the DE with the package manager.
>>
>> I wish I had a proper video card test utility...
>> I have absolutely nothing I can use myself, or
>> give to anyone else, to properly test a video card.
>> I have no way to tell you your video card is good or bad.
>> Presumably they have such utilities at the factory.
>>
>> Paul
>
> My video card works fine on XP, and it also works fine on PC-Linux,
> including their latest 2014 version which I downloaded yesterday, just
> to find out if it would work. I got the Mate and the LXDE (something
> like that). One thing I never understood about Linux is why they have
> KDE - LXDE - Full Monty and MATE on every type of distro. From looking
> at the desktop pictures, all the difference is just different looking
> icons and text. Why dont they just put all of them on the same download
> so the user can choose the one they like without having to download adn
> install it 4 times.
>
> You lost me on the Compiz. What is that??????
>
> My built in video card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6100n Force 405.
>
> The bios is dated 2008, so I assume so is the video card and other parts
> of the system. The Pc-Linux that worked was from 2008 (with KDE
> desktop), but now that 2014 version is working just fine too. (with Mate
> desktop). I also downloaded the one with the LXDE. Have not tried it
> yet, but tht one says its for older computers.

Actually, there was a thread about some distro that had four
different DE on the same optical disc. So someone tried
to do exactly that.

For my needs, I want a simple menu with the names of the
programs in it. That's all the "fancy stuff" I need. And
a working file explorer that isn't too broken. At least
one of their file explorers is pure misery, but the
others are OK.

Compiz has a number of functions. It is used for
window compositing. For example, imagine a program
draws a rectangular window. It's a pixmap. Great.
Now, imagine I want to "transform it". Turn the square
into a circle. I could make it a circle, and force
the program to "re-draw" its window. Which is a waste
of program cycles. Or, I could work with the pixmap
I've got, and monkey around with that.

And this is a similar scheme to what the other OSes use.
The first compositing OS was probably MacOSX. It kept
the pixmaps from the windows in the 128MB video card.
If you wanted to drag a window around the screen, the
program did not have to redraw its little window.
The pixmaps could be used to redisplay the programs
without bothering the programs. If you brought a
window to the front, it still didn't need to be
redrawn. As every window was stored in a buffer, and
you could do Z-axis priority on them, to get the
exposure of the windows right (see all the bits of
window you were supposed to see).

On Microsoft, compositing was brought in for the Vista
generation. I don't think WinXP does that.

When Linux brought in their version, initially
it was for special effects. The first Compiz implementation,
you could click the "X" on a window, and they would
simulate an explosion, with parts of the program
window flying off in all directions. Each fragment
of the exploding window, would be a copy of the
composited pixmap. So the Linux program suffering
this indignity, was completely unaware it was
going on. The animation of the explosion, uses
chunks of the pixmap.

Modern Linux, now uses the Compiz feature, for
smooth animation. When you open a window, the
window "glides" across the screen. It's the same
old Compiz, but without the stupid explosion
effect. They're trying to use Compiz, to make
stuff that looks like the other conservative
OSes.

Now, a guy like me, I would like a switch to
turn off all the animation. All the showboating.
When I start a program, I just want that rectangular
window to appear instantly on the screen. I don't
want **** "gliding" across the screen. I don't want
the Unity bar on the left, doing gymnastics. And
one reason for wanting these changes, is it slows
down the OS presentation on older hardware. My
VM installations are instances of that older
hardware approach. I can have a CPU core railed
when those animation effects run. There are no
cycles left for the program itself to use. All
the "energy" goes into the animation of the screen.

And I've been disabling special effects, for
as long as I've worked on computers. When I
got my first Mac, the first thing to turn
off was zoom-rects (that's an animation
back in MacOS days, where the rectangular
window "grows" in steps until it is
inflated to a full-sized window). But some
OSes just don't have the controls to
turn this stuff off.

*******

The 6100 chipset graphics are fine. There
won't be programmable shaders in there, but
it does all the other stuff expected of
a video card. It would be DX9 era hardware.

For NVidia, there are three Linux driver versions
(at least) that they support. If you ask the Linux OS
to install the NVidia driver, the package manager
looks at the model of the video card, and figures
out which of the three drivers to use. Older
hardware, would use the oldest of those drivers.
There are some cards, which are old enough, NVidia
doesn't support them. Perhaps the Nouveau driver
in Linux still supports them.

There are some video devices, which are not
considered "accelerated". For example, an
S3 graphics card (early AGP era), you'll get
a snotty message on the Linux screen, that
special effects will not be accelerated and
things will be slow. This is the time I wish
Compiz would "take a hike". If they know it's
going to be slow, take care of it for me!

Paul

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:41:05 -0400, Paul > wrote:

>Actually, there was a thread about some distro that had four
>different DE on the same optical disc. So someone tried
>to do exactly that.


>
>For my needs, I want a simple menu with the names of the
>programs in it. That's all the "fancy stuff" I need. And
>a working file explorer that isn't too broken. At least
>one of their file explorers is pure misery, but the
>others are OK.

Same here, simple is better!
So which of the menus is the best?

I have now tried KDE and Mate. Dont see much difference except the look
of the icons. I ran out of flash drives, or I would have ran that LXDE
one. (Gotta go buy more flash drives). That Monty one seems to always be
the largest download. That one I have not tried. Even at the local WIFI
some of that stuff downloads slower than ****. I know it's the SOURCE of
the file slowing it, not my connection. I can download Youtube videos at
around 1meg per second. Yet, I tried to download a Linux distro from
SorgeForce, and was only getting 70 to 110K per second. That would have
been a 1.6Gig file and would have taken around 4 hours. I stopped it and
forgot that one.

Mint took almost an hour, whereas PC-Linux has pnly taken about 10
minutes (around 700M).
>
>Compiz has a number of functions. It is used for
>window compositing. For example, imagine a program
>draws a rectangular window. It's a pixmap. Great.
>Now, imagine I want to "transform it". Turn the square
>into a circle. I could make it a circle, and force
>the program to "re-draw" its window. Which is a waste
>of program cycles. Or, I could work with the pixmap
>I've got, and monkey around with that.

I can do without all that animated crap too. Just give me the program
and quit wasting my time and the computer resources....