Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time?

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Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
the same computer?

I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
HD, and put linux on that drive.

The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?

If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....

Thanks

[Nil[_5_]]

On 20 Aug 2015, wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same
> time, on the same computer?

Yes.

[Paul]

wrote:
> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
> the same computer?
>
> I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
> dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
> HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
> HD, and put linux on that drive.
>
> The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
> drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?
>
> If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
> Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....
>
> Thanks

You can run as many drive types, as you can manage conversion
devices and device drivers for them.

*******

The following type, are driver-free. They're just
protocol converters, intended (for the most part)
to be transparent.

These come in SATA to IDE, IDE to SATA, bidirectional,
ones that plug into the hard drive, ones that plug
into the motherboard IDE connector, and so on.

"SYBA SD-ADA50016 SATA to IDE (IDE to SATA) Bi-Directional Adapter"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186078

http://www.syba.com/upload/1268089921/12680899211944.pdf

Some are designed to support the usage of two
SATA drives, on a two-connector IDE ribbon cable.

Whereas others, like the kind that plug into a
motherboard IDE connector, only support the
one SATA drive.

Now, the above kit includes a power cable, so it might
actually be ready to go when you take delivery.
Sometimes, I've needed to dip into my meager collection
of spare Y cables, to get power to them.

It pays to check for a user manual, so you
know what jumpers, if any, need to be set.
The adapter I've got, has a Master versus Slave
jumper. As well as the IDE drives having Master
versus Slave versus Cable Select jumpering.
SATA drives have no jumpers of that type.
SATA doesn't have the notion of Master versus
Slave, whereas "fake" labels when doing emulation
are provided on BIOS screens, just to confuse matters.
The jumpers on SATA set cable speed to 150, or
enable/disable spread spectrum. Nothing Master/Slave
is involved on SATA.

A key feature (something customers look for),
is support for ATAPI optical drives. Not all
dongles in the past, supported those. ATA
hard drive support is a given.

The cheapest dongle ever offered for sale,
cost $1, and each and every dongle was
electrically dead :-) But I digress.

You can never have enough dongles...

Paul

[BillyRay0808 USA VP 2016[_3_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
> the same computer?
>
> I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
> dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
> HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
> HD, and put linux on that drive.
>
> The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
> drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?
>
> If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
> Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....
>
> Thanks
>

YES run both.... is possible

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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:58:05 -0400, Paul > wrote:

wrote:
>> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
>> the same computer?
>>
>> I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
>> dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
>> HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
>> HD, and put linux on that drive.
>>
>> The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
>> drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?
>>
>> If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
>> Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....
>>
>> Thanks
>
>You can run as many drive types, as you can manage conversion
>devices and device drivers for them.
>
>*******
>
>The following type, are driver-free. They're just
>protocol converters, intended (for the most part)
>to be transparent.
>
>These come in SATA to IDE, IDE to SATA, bidirectional,
>ones that plug into the hard drive, ones that plug
>into the motherboard IDE connector, and so on.
>
>"SYBA SD-ADA50016 SATA to IDE (IDE to SATA) Bi-Directional Adapter"
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186078
>
>http://www.syba.com/upload/1268089921/12680899211944.pdf
>
>Some are designed to support the usage of two
>SATA drives, on a two-connector IDE ribbon cable.
>
>Whereas others, like the kind that plug into a
>motherboard IDE connector, only support the
>one SATA drive.
>
>Now, the above kit includes a power cable, so it might
>actually be ready to go when you take delivery.
>Sometimes, I've needed to dip into my meager collection
>of spare Y cables, to get power to them.
>
>It pays to check for a user manual, so you
>know what jumpers, if any, need to be set.
>The adapter I've got, has a Master versus Slave
>jumper. As well as the IDE drives having Master
>versus Slave versus Cable Select jumpering.
>SATA drives have no jumpers of that type.
>SATA doesn't have the notion of Master versus
>Slave, whereas "fake" labels when doing emulation
>are provided on BIOS screens, just to confuse matters.
>The jumpers on SATA set cable speed to 150, or
>enable/disable spread spectrum. Nothing Master/Slave
>is involved on SATA.
>
>A key feature (something customers look for),
>is support for ATAPI optical drives. Not all
>dongles in the past, supported those. ATA
>hard drive support is a given.
>
>The cheapest dongle ever offered for sale,
>cost $1, and each and every dongle was
>electrically dead :-) But I digress.
>
>You can never have enough dongles...
>
> Paul

I looked at that Newegg site and that looks like an easy way to convert
drive types. Newegg seems to avoid posting the price of their stuff, so
I have no idea of the cost. (Or the price is hidden in some Java Script
crap, which I have disabled). However I bet I can get a used SATA drive
on Ebay cheaper that the adaptor. Just to test linux, I dont need any
large drive.

However, my computer has BOTH connectors on the MB. I guess I'll just
have to try and see if I can run both using separate cables.

And I always thought a "Dongle" was the thing that men have in their
pants. I guess I was wrong <LOL>

[Ant[_3_]]

Yes, I recently was using both!


On 8/20/2015 4:50 PM, wrote:
> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
> the same computer?
>
> I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
> dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
> HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
> HD, and put linux on that drive.
>
> The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
> drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?
>
> If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
> Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....
>
> Thanks
>


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On 8/20/2015 4:50 PM, wrote:
> Is it possible to run BOTH a SATA and an IDE drive at the same time, on
> the same computer?
>
> I have XP on a computer with a SATA drive. I want to install Linux as a
> dual boot on that same machine, but am afraid to install it to the same
> HD without deleting XP. So, I thought I'd just install another (second)
> HD, and put linux on that drive.
>
> The computer currently has a SATA drive, but all I have are spare IDE
> drives. I want to run both.... is that possible?
>
> If not, I suppose I'll have to buy a cheap, used smallish SATA drive on
> Ebay. All I really need is 40 gigs or even less, just for linux.....
>
> Thanks
>
The answer to your question is, "yes".
But the questions you didn't ask are the ones that will bite you in the ass.
My experience has been that linux takes over the boot process.
That works fine as long as you know what you are doing and windows
or linux updates don't bork the process.
But, if you remove the ide drive, the system won't boot windows any more.
There are many variables that can be easily managed by an expert.
For the rest of us, clicking the wrong button means disaster.

I use two strategies.
The first is to use plugin drives and swap drives to dual boot.
The second is to:
Do an image backup of windows justincase.
Unplug the sata drive.
Install linux on the ide drive.
Plug the sata drive back in.
Use the BIOS boot manager hotkey to decide which to boot.
You can add/remove/swap drives all you want and the system
will still boot whatever's in there. Just don't let grub
update itself and take over.

Alternatively, since windows is my primary OS and not likely
to change any time soon, use the windows program EasyBCD
to set up the boot process with windows in control.
It's automagic GUI and you don't need the learn the inner
workings of of grub.

When you decide to load another linux distro...and you will...
repeat the above process to unplug the windows drive to prevent
linux getting it's grubby little hands on the boot process.

Again, to defuse the storm of linux defenders, linux can dual
boot very effectively if you know what you're doing.
For you and me, it's a minefield of present and future problems.

A different recommendation is to leave your windows box alone.
Call up 10 friends and ask if they have any old computers capable
of running linux.
I'd bet that you have five computers on your doorstep before you
can hang up the phone. Do your linux learning on a separate
machine. When you're ready to switch to linux, it's a simple
matter of decommissioning your windows machine.

Another option is to put virtualbox on your windows machine
and run linux virtually. Your ide drive is just another windows
drive that happens to be housing the virtual linux machine.