Why did they ruin Skype

[Micky]

Rant number 75.

For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.

But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
Skype I could get.

And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
just as nice as any previous version.

But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
, nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?

**and some of the white letters are so dim I have to move to less than a
foot from the screen to read them. My sister-in-law's name looks like a
dim neon light that's broken in parts. Only the top of the R and the
right side of the a are dim. The rest is very dim.

I should give them credit for still having an XP version, but I'm not in
the mood. .

[Micky]

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky
> wrote:

>Rant number 75.
>
>For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
>But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>Skype I could get.
>
>And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
>started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
>recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
>just as nice as any previous version.
>
>But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,

I finally came across Light Mode, which is legible. It's remotely
conceivable that the computer vendor I bought this from, who had
upgraded it from 7 to 10 put it into Dark Mode, but I doubt he looked at
more than the Desktop and one sample program.

>, nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
>in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
>that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
>the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
>if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
>that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
>very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
>single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?
>
>**and some of the white letters are so dim I have to move to less than a
>foot from the screen to read them. My sister-in-law's name looks like a
>dim neon light that's broken in parts. Only the top of the R and the
>right side of the a are dim. The rest is very dim.
>
>I should give them credit for still having an XP version, but I'm not in
>the mood. .

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 25/11/2016 3:32 PM, micky wrote:
> Rant number 75.
>
> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.

You can always install older versions of Skype.

[CRNG]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky >
wrote in >

>But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>Skype I could get.
>
>And boy did they ruin it.

MS does that a lot.
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[Silver Slimer[_9_]]

On 2016-11-25 2:32 AM, micky wrote:
> Rant number 75.
>
> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
> Skype I could get.
>
> And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
> started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
> recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
> just as nice as any previous version.
>
> But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
> , nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
> in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
> that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
> the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
> if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
> that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
> very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
> single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?
>
> **and some of the white letters are so dim I have to move to less than a
> foot from the screen to read them. My sister-in-law's name looks like a
> dim neon light that's broken in parts. Only the top of the R and the
> right side of the a are dim. The rest is very dim.
>
> I should give them credit for still having an XP version, but I'm not in
> the mood. .

I tried liking Skype but there are a few things going against it:

1) the interface is terrible. It takes up the whole screen for no good
reason and bundles ads that nobody would appreciate.
2) it doesn't integrate properly with Windows 10. If you use the metro
app, you get few features but at least it integrates with the rest of
the operating system; if you use the desktop app, you get all of the
features minus the integration
3) nobody uses it anymore as a result of Facebook being a lot more
convenient and giving you many of the same features

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[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>Rant number 75.
>
>For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
>But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>Skype I could get.
>
>And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
>started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
>recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
>just as nice as any previous version.
>
>But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
>, nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
>in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
>that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
>the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
>if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
>that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
>very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
>single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?

But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
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[pyotr filipivich]

Silver Slimer > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:09:01 -0500 typed in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>I tried liking Skype but there are a few things going against it:
>
>1) the interface is terrible. It takes up the whole screen for no good
>reason and bundles ads that nobody would appreciate.
>2) it doesn't integrate properly with Windows 10. If you use the metro
>app, you get few features but at least it integrates with the rest of
>the operating system; if you use the desktop app, you get all of the
>features minus the integration
>3) nobody uses it anymore as a result of Facebook being a lot more
>convenient and giving you many of the same features

Nobody, except for various community colleges which seem to think
that having to learn a new set of software just to find your what your
assignments are and how to turn them in, etc, every quarter somehow
enhances the education experience.
Fnord - I can learn the "new and improved" interface, or the
subject - which one do they want, and which one did I pay to learn?

tschus
pyotr
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[Big Al[_5_]]

On 11/25/2016 01:17 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
Or those massive # of baby boomers with lessening eyesight.

[Paul in Houston TX[_2_]]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
> micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500
> typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
(snip)

> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.

Agreed.
My employer installs Win7 Skype 7.3.0.101 on our computers, thousands of them.

Facebook is generally not allowed by serious business and government in the USA.
Maybe it's used by California techie companies that we really don't need.

[Ralph Fox]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky wrote:

> Rant number 75.
>
> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.


Have you tried one of these old versions?

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=old+version+skype


[Followup set to only the Windows 10 newsgroup.]


> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
> Skype I could get.
>
> And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
> started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
> recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
> just as nice as any previous version.
>
> But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
> , nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
> in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
> that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
> the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
> if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
> that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
> very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
> single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?
>
> **and some of the white letters are so dim I have to move to less than a
> foot from the screen to read them. My sister-in-law's name looks like a
> dim neon light that's broken in parts. Only the top of the R and the
> right side of the a are dim. The rest is very dim.
>
> I should give them credit for still having an XP version, but I'm not in
> the mood. .


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🦊

[Bill in Co]

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 25/11/2016 3:32 PM, micky wrote:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
> You can always install older versions of Skype.

I think the oldest version you can still use (at least on XP) is 6.14 or
6.16.
At least, that's what I found when I installed it some time ago on my XP
computer and laptop. I seem to recall that if you tried installing an even
older version for less bloat, it forced you to upgrade.

[Kerr Mudd-John]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:32:50 -0000, Paul in Houston TX
> wrote:

> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500
>> typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>> Rant number 75.
>>>
>>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
> (snip)
>
>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>
> Agreed.
> My employer installs Win7 Skype 7.3.0.101 on our computers, thousands of
> them.
>
> Facebook is generally not allowed by serious business and government in
> the USA.
> Maybe it's used by California techie companies that we really don't need.
>

I have version 4 on this XP PC. It's stopped working. (auto sign-on takes
ages to fail).

FU XP group only
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[Big Al[_5_]]

On 11/25/2016 02:32 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> (snip)
>
>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>
> Agreed.
> My employer installs Win7 Skype 7.3.0.101 on our computers, thousands of them.
>
>
> Facebook is generally not allowed by serious business and government in the USA.
>
> Maybe it's used by California techie companies that we really don't need.

I think pyotr was being sarcastic. Or I hope so.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, Mr. Man-wai Chang
> writes:
>On 25/11/2016 3:32 PM, micky wrote:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
>You can always install older versions of Skype.
>
Doesn't it say "the version you have installed is more recent than the
one you're trying to install", or words to that effect, and refuse to go
on?
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[pyotr filipivich]

Paul in Houston TX > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:32:50
-0600 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500
>> typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>> Rant number 75.
>>>
>>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>(snip)
>
>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>
>Agreed.
>My employer installs Win7 Skype 7.3.0.101 on our computers, thousands of them.
>
>Facebook is generally not allowed by serious business and government in the USA.
>Maybe it's used by California techie companies that we really don't need.

The sidebar is on a lot of new web sites. On occasion I have
decided to forgo reading the article due to the "dancing rabbits
selling toilet paper."
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[pyotr filipivich]

Big Al > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:43:18 -0500 typed
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>On 11/25/2016 02:32 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
>> (snip)
>>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>>> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>>> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>>> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>>> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>>> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>>> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>>
>> Agreed.
>> My employer installs Win7 Skype 7.3.0.101 on our computers, thousands of them.
>>
>> Facebook is generally not allowed by serious business and government in the USA.
>>
>> Maybe it's used by California techie companies that we really don't need.
>
>I think pyotr was being sarcastic. Or I hope so.

And Big Al wins the Gold Plated No-Prize!
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[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:09:01
-0500, Silver Slimer > wrote:

>On 2016-11-25 2:32 AM, micky wrote:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>
>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>> Skype I could get.
>>
>> And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
>> started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
>> recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
>> just as nice as any previous version.
>>
>> But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
>> , nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
>> in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
>> that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
>> the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
>> if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
>> that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
>> very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
>> single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?
>>
>> **and some of the white letters are so dim I have to move to less than a
>> foot from the screen to read them. My sister-in-law's name looks like a
>> dim neon light that's broken in parts. Only the top of the R and the
>> right side of the a are dim. The rest is very dim.
>>
>> I should give them credit for still having an XP version, but I'm not in
>> the mood. .
>
>I tried liking Skype but there are a few things going against it:
>
>1) the interface is terrible. It takes up the whole screen for no good

That doesn't bother me because I run everything maximiized if I can.
Seeing end of lower-lying of windows show at the edge of other windows
does bother me.

>reason and bundles ads that nobody would appreciate.

I haven't gotten ads yet. I've only made one call in the last year,
but didn't see any ads.

>2) it doesn't integrate properly with Windows 10. If you use the metro
>app, you get few features but at least it integrates with the rest of
>the operating system; if you use the desktop app, you get all of the
>features minus the integration

The only integration I know was the ability for it to recogize phone
numbers on webpages (and in email?) so I could click on it and dial it.
That seemed so modern and cool, but after a couple days I realized I'd
see about a thousand phone numbers before I'd want to dial one, so I
turned it off. (Making phone numbers into links made them harder to
copy and paste, which is what I usually do.)

>3) nobody uses it anymore as a result of Facebook being a lot more
>convenient and giving you many of the same features

I did notice they seem to think of Skype as a way to keep in touch with
my friends as a group, like Facebook does. If I want to do that, I
send them all the same email. I only use Skype to make phone calls,
especially when I had no long distance service, or for a few days I had
no phone at all. It's a backup for me. Now I have a long distance
that charges only a penny a minute for international calls to
"industrialized" countries. Skype was over 2 cents, still plenty cheap,
but have to use the computer mike and computer speakers.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:17:32
-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

>micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500
>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>Rant number 75.
>>
>>For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>
>>But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>>didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>>but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>>Skype I could get.
>>
>>And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess, but I also
>>started it on my XP netbook and it updated before starting to the most
>>recent version, which is copyright 2016 but works the same and looks
>>just as nice as any previous version.
>>
>>But in Win10, it's all black like Skype is part of a motorcycle gang**,
>>, nothing is the same. and when I found my list of people I call, which
>>in the old version and the current XP version is in the first screen
>>that shows, when I found the list and I click on a name, it doesn't show
>>the phone number, which is the reason I look there half the time. Maybe
>>if I called them, and it's 2:30 at night, I could see the phone number
>>that way. Oh, I can right click and click View Profile and then in
>>very small print it has the number, but I have to do that for every
>>single entry. . Why do they make it so hard?
>
> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.

You're right. I just have to learn to be "in". All my girlfriends told
me I didn't dress in style either. And I need to take drugs. Meth or
something. (I'm afraid to smoke pot. Afraid it will lead to
cigarettes.(plus all the other reasons))

One thing good afaict about the current skype for a laptop is that it
includes Skype Wifi, which they say allows you to log into to pay as you
go wifi, a million sites, like at the airport, without registering, and
only paying for the time you are on. Just start to log in to the wifi,
then in Skype on your laptop, click on tools/wifi and it handles the
rest and bills you from the same source it bills skype phonecalls.
This is a good idea, isn't it???

There is also Skype Wifi for phones but I think it's separate from
Skype.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:22:14
+0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" > wrote:

>On 25/11/2016 3:32 PM, micky wrote:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
>You can always install older versions of Skype.

Good idea.

I was trying to find out what version it was, so I could compare it to
the (most recent) version that was downloadable on the web.

So I tried Help, which I thought might have an About, but instead it
sent me to their web Help page. It asked me if I wanted to rate the
program so I said yes. Here's what I told them, another rant.

Nine Items
I can't find what version I'm using in my win10 installation.
So I can't tell if it's the version I can download from the web.
I still don't know if Skype Preview is all I can have or if I can
download something different and better. Why do you call what I have
Skype Preview and what's downloadable you call Skype?
Unless someone fiddled with my win10 version, it starts in Dark Mode
and it took me a long time to come across Light Mode, all the time I'm
learning to hate Skype. That's why I was trying to download a better
version.
In Dark Mode the scroll bar is so dark it can't be seen.
When I click on a name in my list of names, I no longer see the phone
number. I have to both right click and choose View Profile and then
it's in tiny font. It used to display right below the name in the
middle of the screen without extra clicking. The screen is empty there,
no shortage of space. Why are you hiding it?
Then I have to left click to get back to the list again. Why do you
have to dim the list just because I'm looking at one profile?
Like Android you seem to assume every number is a mobile number. That
is so stupid.
You have four icons in the upper left and only one, the top one, menu,
is recognizable. Why not label them with words! You use English words
lots of other places in the English version.
-- end --

But all of these are tolerable now that I found Light Mode. I've only
used Skype a lot when my home phone was not working for a few days. Only
a little other times.

[pedro]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky >
wrote:

>Rant number 75.
(snip)
>And boy did they ruin it. Ever since MS bought it I guess
(snip rest)

That sums it up.

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:26:23 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>
>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>>designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>>computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>>banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>>media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>>ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>>computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>
>You're right. I just have to learn to be "in". All my girlfriends told
>me I didn't dress in style either. And I need to take drugs. Meth or
>something. (I'm afraid to smoke pot. Afraid it will lead to
>cigarettes.(plus all the other reasons))
Oh it does. have a friend who blames pot as the gateway drug. 'If
it wasn't for pot, I'd never have started smoking tobacco!"

>One thing good afaict about the current skype for a laptop is that it
>includes Skype Wifi, which they say allows you to log into to pay as you
>go wifi, a million sites, like at the airport, without registering, and
>only paying for the time you are on. Just start to log in to the wifi,
>then in Skype on your laptop, click on tools/wifi and it handles the
>rest and bills you from the same source it bills skype phonecalls.
>This is a good idea, isn't it???
>
>There is also Skype Wifi for phones but I think it's separate from
>Skype.

There are days when I consider adding the phone call to
non-Internet sites option. But I don't make enough calls to
rationalize it.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:15:31 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>
>I did notice they seem to think of Skype as a way to keep in touch with
>my friends as a group, like Facebook does. If I want to do that, I
>send them all the same email. I only use Skype to make phone calls,
>especially when I had no long distance service, or for a few days I had
>no phone at all. It's a backup for me. Now I have a long distance
>that charges only a penny a minute for international calls to
>"industrialized" countries. Skype was over 2 cents, still plenty cheap,
>but have to use the computer mike and computer speakers.

We went with headsets. The Missus had to have it for a class so
we (I) set it up on our computers and we used it a couple times,
mostly for testing that we had it. This was before we were married,
but, adding pictures to a telephone conversation really isn't all that
exception - at least for us.
OTOH, I have found that having a headset for phone calls,
especially the ones to tech support, usw, a great boon. Although I do
tend to want to end the call with "And is there anything else we can
do for you?" - even when I was the one calling them!
Too much time in call centers. B-)

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Paul in Houston TX[_2_]]

micky wrote:

(snip)
> One thing good afaict about the current skype for a laptop is that it
> includes Skype Wifi, which they say allows you to log into to pay as you
> go wifi, a million sites, like at the airport, without registering, and
> only paying for the time you are on. Just start to log in to the wifi,
> then in Skype on your laptop, click on tools/wifi and it handles the
> rest and bills you from the same source it bills skype phonecalls.
> This is a good idea, isn't it???

Do you have a cell phone? Skype on the laptop is good for voice calling
overseas. For domestic calls I use my Verizzzon cell phone.
It's $52.10 /mo for USA unlimited voice and txt.
My laptops also have cell and satellite modems good for North America but
the company pays for those. Idk how much that costs because we buy blocks of
thousands of minutes. Very few airports have free wifi.
I pass through about 15 per year, all different except the 4 regular ones.

[B00ze]

On 2016-11-25 07:47, CRNG > wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky >
> wrote in >
>
>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>> Skype I could get.
>>
>> And boy did they ruin it.
>
> MS does that a lot.

Yeah, but then there is Symantec, who buy companies, just to kill all
their products, and cherry-pick 10 lines of code from one to integrate
in theirs. At least MS tries to keep the products alive for a little bit
longer ;-)

--
! _\|/_ Sylvain /
! (o o) Member:David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society
oO-( )-Oo Windows error 09 Bug encounterd, God knows what happened.

[B00ze]

On 2016-11-25 13:17, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
> designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
> computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
> banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
> media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
> ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
> computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.

Thank Apple and that Ive moron for this.

--
! _\|/_ Sylvain /
! (o o) Member:David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society
oO-( )-Oo Consciousness - the annoying time between naps.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:58:23
-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

>micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:15:31 -0500
>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>
>>I did notice they seem to think of Skype as a way to keep in touch with
>>my friends as a group, like Facebook does. If I want to do that, I
>>send them all the same email. I only use Skype to make phone calls,
>>especially when I had no long distance service, or for a few days I had
>>no phone at all. It's a backup for me. Now I have a long distance
>>that charges only a penny a minute for international calls to
>>"industrialized" countries. Skype was over 2 cents, still plenty cheap,
>>but have to use the computer mike and computer speakers.
>
> We went with headsets. The Missus had to have it for a class so

On a trip a few years ago, I went to the library to borrow books on
tape, but they didn't have tape anymore. They had something like
flashdrives with controls and a jack for headphones, So on the higway
I found a $5 store and bought 3 different kinds of headset for $5, and I
ended up using it when I blew the engine on my car and had to look at
ads for a replacement. Some of them had audio, and the netbook was
nowhere loud enough to hear.

This time I bought a bluetooth wirelss one-ear headset, but though it
tries to connect, and even said to me "Disconnecting" (in a pleasant
voice), but it hasn't worked, at least on the Vista computer. I should
try it on win10 if that makes a difference. But the laptop is XP. I
should try it there.

>we (I) set it up on our computers and we used it a couple times,
>mostly for testing that we had it. This was before we were married,
>but, adding pictures to a telephone conversation really isn't all that
>exception - at least for us.
> OTOH, I have found that having a headset for phone calls,
>especially the ones to tech support, usw, a great boon. Although I do
>tend to want to end the call with "And is there anything else we can
>do for you?" - even when I was the one calling them!
> Too much time in call centers. B-)

LOL

>tschus
>pyotr

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:58:23
-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

>micky > on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:26:23 -0500
>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>
>>> But it is "in", it is the stylish way to do things. All the top
>>>designers agree, that grey text on a white background enhances the
>>>computer experience. Along with the flashing widgets, the drop down
>>>banners which won't go away, and the "forward this to your social
>>>media which cover the left side of the screen. "Its in. totes kewl,
>>>ya know." Never mind those nutjobs who are trying to use the
>>>computer, they just have no aesthetic sense.
>>
>>You're right. I just have to learn to be "in". All my girlfriends told
>>me I didn't dress in style either. And I need to take drugs. Meth or
>>something. (I'm afraid to smoke pot. Afraid it will lead to
>>cigarettes.(plus all the other reasons))

> Oh it does. have a friend who blames pot as the gateway drug. 'If
>it wasn't for pot, I'd never have started smoking tobacco!"

Wow. I've been saying this for years but this is the first
confirmation. Actually in college my friends smoked pot and I woudl sit
there with them and not take a puff. I wouldn't take an illegal drug,
and when I have a back pain, I take one aspirin instead of two most
times. My mother didn't like drugs and it rubbed off on me.

>>One thing good afaict about the current skype for a laptop is that it
>>includes Skype Wifi, which they say allows you to log into to pay as you
>>go wifi, a million sites, like at the airport, without registering, and
>>only paying for the time you are on. Just start to log in to the wifi,
>>then in Skype on your laptop, click on tools/wifi and it handles the
>>rest and bills you from the same source it bills skype phonecalls.
>>This is a good idea, isn't it???
>>
>>There is also Skype Wifi for phones but I think it's separate from
>>Skype.
>
> There are days when I consider adding the phone call to
>non-Internet sites option.

??

> But I don't make enough calls to rationalize it.

Neither do I really, whatever you mean. I just enjoy this sort of
thing. I wish I owned a business so I could buy more business
computers, copiers, servers, etc. I'd probably fiddle with them all
day long and go bankrupt.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:35:37
-0600, Paul in Houston TX > wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>(snip)
>> One thing good afaict about the current skype for a laptop is that it
>> includes Skype Wifi, which they say allows you to log into to pay as you
>> go wifi, a million sites, like at the airport, without registering, and
>> only paying for the time you are on. Just start to log in to the wifi,
>> then in Skype on your laptop, click on tools/wifi and it handles the
>> rest and bills you from the same source it bills skype phonecalls.
>> This is a good idea, isn't it???
>
>Do you have a cell phone? Skype on the laptop is good for voice calling
>overseas. For domestic calls I use my Verizzzon cell phone.
>It's $52.10 /mo for USA unlimited voice and txt.

Yeah, I have one but I didn't sign up for data. But it does have wifi,
and there are a lot of free wifi places around, plus some Skype wifi
places** and last night I learned about apps that would automatically
find and connect to any unprotected wifi. I'm not sure how much better
that is than my looking at the list and picking one, but maybe it's
better.

Wifi - wiman said it had maps of hotspots all over the world, but I
guess you have to get the map in advance. And there is Free Wifi
Connect. I don't know which is better or if I should look further.

Plus I learned that Xfinity gives, it was 2 or 3 hours per month free,
Per month!!! That's certainly more than I'll ever need. And they have
wifi hotspots all over the place. They have 30 within 1/2 miles of me.
It seems that any Xfinity customer gets a modem or something that works
for the customer and on another channel for the public. So it seems
every customer is a hotspot, whether they know it or like it or not,
which is why the map shows them in totally residential n'hoods. OTOH
my ex-girlfriend has Xfinity and she's not on the map. No one on her 3
block street is, on what used to be a farm. There are lots of them a
half mile away in two directions on the commercial highways, but none
listed where she is.. She's had it for over a year, and I figured the
map updated automatically so I don't know what that means.

Just google Xfinity wifi map . Okay I did it:
http://hotspots.wifi.xfinity.com/

Last summer when I wasn't looking the road I was on went right while I
went straight. I checked for wifi where I happened to stop and there
was Xfinitiy, but I didn't know then that I coudl have had a free hour.
I thought it was only for their customers. (After your free hours you
can get another hour for $3 or 4, a day for $8, and a week for $20, a
month for $40, or something like that.)

**Which are 3rd party places that use skype as one method of payment.


>My laptops also have cell and satellite modems good for North America but
>the company pays for those. Idk how much that costs because we buy blocks of
>thousands of minutes. Very few airports have free wifi.
>I pass through about 15 per year, all different except the 4 regular ones.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per pyotr filipivich:
>Oh it does. have a friend who blames pot as the gateway drug. 'If
>it wasn't for pot, I'd never have started smoking tobacco!"

To the extent that pot compromises one's judgment and (in my experience,
anyhow) cuts a few points off of one's IQ, I would say he may be on to
something.
--
Pete Cresswell

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 03:22:36 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>
>>>There is also Skype Wifi for phones but I think it's separate from
>>>Skype.
>>
>> There are days when I consider adding the phone call to
>>non-Internet sites option.
>
>??

As I recall, Skype out of the box will let you connect to another
Skype user "VOIP". For an additional fee, they would also let you
call "normal" telephones, that is I can use Skype to call directory
assistance, or my wife's sister's smart phone, who despite having an
East Coast number is actually in Nepal, etc, etc.
>
>> But I don't make enough calls to rationalize it.
>
>Neither do I really, whatever you mean. I just enjoy this sort of
>thing. I wish I owned a business so I could buy more business
>computers, copiers, servers, etc. I'd probably fiddle with them all
>day long and go bankrupt.

Oh, it is all cool stuff, but - can I justify "this"? I want a
printer which can handle double sided printing on legal size paper.
Heck, I want a printer which will handle A3 or even A2 sized pages.
Why? "Because." Just as I want a print shop, even though I just want
to make _a_ copy of _one_ book.
Fnord, I want that voice activated interface like in the TV shows,
where I say "Do this" and boom, the computer does it with no glitches,
and gets it perfect the first time. Sheesh, I can't even get that
when I deal with humans (The first "voice activated interface.")


--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 26/11/2016 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>
> But all of these are tolerable now that I found Light Mode. I've only
> used Skype a lot when my home phone was not working for a few days. Only
> a little other times.

These days people are mad with using Whatsapp and Facebook. I dunno
where Skype stands now... shared whiteboard?

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Mr. Man-wai Chang:
>These days people are mad with using Whatsapp and Facebook. I dunno
>where Skype stands now... shared whiteboard?

I suspect one of Skype's main attractions is it's user base.

Personally, I prefer WeChat - partially because it offers so many
options..... only thing missing for me is the ability to optionally use
the phone network for texting - because I don't have a data plan and
sometimes WiFi is unavailable.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Brian Gregory]

On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
> Rant number 75.
>
> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>
> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
> Skype I could get.

Who says?

I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.

> <snip>

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:14:57
-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

>micky > on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 03:22:36 -0500
>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>
>>>>There is also Skype Wifi for phones but I think it's separate from
>>>>Skype.
>>>
>>> There are days when I consider adding the phone call to
>>>non-Internet sites option.
>>
>>??
>
> As I recall, Skype out of the box will let you connect to another
>Skype user "VOIP". For an additional fee, they would also let you
>call "normal" telephones, that is I can use Skype to call directory
>assistance, or my wife's sister's smart phone, who despite having an
>East Coast number is actually in Nepal, etc, etc.

Oh. I didnt' think of it as an option, but you do have to put money in
a skype account and the minimum to start was probably $10, no more.

Then if you don't use any for a long time, it goes dormant but you can
now revitalize it by logging into your webpage and clicking. Easy
enough once you're there.

Better than net2phon that said they'd mail me a headset and didn't and
then I thought they went out of business before I used up the money I
put in, but now I'm not sure they're out of business.
>>
>>> But I don't make enough calls to rationalize it.
>>
>>Neither do I really, whatever you mean. I just enjoy this sort of
>>thing. I wish I owned a business so I could buy more business
>>computers, copiers, servers, etc. I'd probably fiddle with them all
>>day long and go bankrupt.
>
> Oh, it is all cool stuff, but - can I justify "this"? I want a
>printer which can handle double sided printing on legal size paper.
>Heck, I want a printer which will handle A3 or even A2 sized pages.
>Why? "Because." Just as I want a print shop, even though I just want
>to make _a_ copy of _one_ book.

I can relate to all of this. My Epson Workforce 645 -- they're probably
selling a later model now , but it was $150 the last I looked (I paid
100) has a setting for scanning legal size, but the paper tray that
came with it only handles letter size and there is no provision for
putting a sheet in manually, no provision for putting in one page at a
time (or one piece of celluloid, for that matter.)

But it does make two sided copies, though I'm not sure I've ever done
that.

OTOH, the Brother I found sitting on the grass next to the curb (and
which I verified was being discardedd from the guy living in the house
it was in front of ) does for sure make 2-side copies, very nicely.
It's amazing, because I haven't figured out yet how they flip the paper
over. I guess they flip it and print the other side bottom to top
instead of top to bottom. Model number on request, I don't know it by
heart.

It's actually a better printer than the one I bought new.

For the Epson I bought cheap ink (didn't need to use a resetting tool or
anything) and didn't understand how to install the new black cartridge
and maybe that's why it showed as 3/4 empty right away, but the second
replacement worked for a long time.

Well it emptied a couple days ago and when I put in the third the
printer complained it wasn't genuine. and put a big X next to on-screen
image of the black cartridge. . Before I had a chance to worry about
that, the X went away and all 4 cartridges were labeled Genuine, even
though none are, on screen. But when I print, there is a blue heading
and just trace amounts of black.

If I had to pay the Epson price for black ink, printing the crossword
puzzles would be "expensive".

> Fnord, I want that voice activated interface like in the TV shows,
>where I say "Do this" and boom, the computer does it with no glitches,
>and gets it perfect the first time. Sheesh, I can't even get that
>when I deal with humans (The first "voice activated interface.")

I want voice activated too, but then I'd have to reenroll in elocution
lessons. I havent' had any since I was 9 and the effect is wearing off,
or maybe I'd have to stop drinking.

I noticed my new Android phone is Android and doesn't have Siri, but it
still answered a couple questions, out loud. But I guess it bored me
because I haven't tried that since the first week

My friend who owns a burglar alarm business and goes to see a lot of
clients (plus still doing some hardware work) He uses the phone a lot
while driving and he has a phone that will dial if he says five two
three... etc. but he doesn't want to memorize numbers or have to say
10numbers distinctly. He wants to be able to say Office and have it
call the office, or even Two if the office is known as two, or Jones if
someone in his address book is named Jones. It won't do that, or at
least 2 years ago his phone wouldn't do that.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:23:05
-0500, "(PeteCresswell)" > wrote:

>Per pyotr filipivich:
>>Oh it does. have a friend who blames pot as the gateway drug. 'If
>>it wasn't for pot, I'd never have started smoking tobacco!"
>
>To the extent that pot compromises one's judgment and (in my experience,
>anyhow) cuts a few points off of one's IQ, I would say he may be on to
>something.

What I was thinking is that the last time I had a puff of a cigarette I
was 8 years old and my uncle** had fun laughing at me when I choked, so
my only experience with smoking is that it chokes me.

If I learned how to smoke pot, I would know how to smoke without choking
and that major impediment would be gone.


**I didn't know, still don't, if my uncle offered me the cigarette just
so he could laugh at me, or like an adult sharing an adult thing with a
kid, like giving a kit a taste of whiskey, or specifically to make me
never want to smoke. There were 6 other family members there, and if
they were paying attention they woudl have all seen it, but no one said
anything, unless they laughed too.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 23:17:09
+0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" > wrote:

>On 26/11/2016 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>
>> But all of these are tolerable now that I found Light Mode. I've only
>> used Skype a lot when my home phone was not working for a few days. Only
>> a little other times.
>
>These days people are mad with using Whatsapp and Facebook. I dunno
>where Skype stands now... shared whiteboard?

I used Whatsapp once to call Asia. So cool. But the other person has
to have it running on his cell phone. Skype can call landlines.

And for more money you can get a skype phone number so that landlines
can call you and leavfe a message. I assume this is less money to the
callers than other means of making international calls.


However I went into settings today to try test my microphone*** and I
clicked on Test Audio and nothing happened. It used to allow you to
set the level, and there use to be a phone number you could call and
talk to and it would play back what you said so yo'd know if the volume
were right. None of that was there afaict.

***I've got a new bluetooth one ear headset that I've tried to make
work. Even though it says in my ear that it's connected and says on the
screen that it's paired and under Sound it's listed as both a mike and a
speaker (twice each for that matter, with slightly different names), I
can't hear anything out of the earpiece and I wanted to test the mike.

I know tbe earpiece basically works because when I'm in Sound / Sounds
and I 'test" various sounds like beep and windows startup I hear them in
my ear, but nothing else.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:27:55
-0500, "(PeteCresswell)" > wrote:

>Per Mr. Man-wai Chang:
>>These days people are mad with using Whatsapp and Facebook. I dunno
>>where Skype stands now... shared whiteboard?
>
>I suspect one of Skype's main attractions is it's user base.
>
>Personally, I prefer WeChat - partially because it offers so many
>options..... only thing missing for me is the ability to optionally use
>the phone network for texting - because I don't have a data plan and
>sometimes WiFi is unavailable.

Is this a PC program or cell phone app?.

For PC's there aemail addresses for each cellphone company. append the
phone number and it will let you email a text to a cell phone,

I sent one whose text was 1234567890123456789123... so it would be easy
to count how many characters were received in the text and I forget now
(probalby about 120. I assume there was overhead.) and the remainder
showed up immediately and automatically in a second text.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, micky
> writes:
[]
>***I've got a new bluetooth one ear headset that I've tried to make
>work. Even though it says in my ear that it's connected and says on the
>screen that it's paired and under Sound it's listed as both a mike and a
>speaker (twice each for that matter, with slightly different names), I
>can't hear anything out of the earpiece and I wanted to test the mike.
>
>I know tbe earpiece basically works because when I'm in Sound / Sounds
>and I 'test" various sounds like beep and windows startup I hear them in
>my ear, but nothing else.
>
Not sure which OS you're running, as I'm seeing this in the XP and 10
groups. (I take XP and 7, but I can see the headers.)

On 7, and I suspect 10, you can have different sound hardware set up for
different things - the usual reason being to keep music playing, and
usually system sounds like the beep and startup, coming out of the
speaker, but to route communications (Skype etc.) to a headset. Sounds
to me like you've got system sounds routed to your bluetooth earpiece
(and possibly not "communications"). There's a similar routing for sound
input, e. g. the microphone.

(AFAIK, XP has no such separation - it just uses one lot of hardware for
input, and one lot [can be the same, e. g. card or headset-pod] for
output, and doesn't use any _other_ hardware present at all. There _may_
be special drivers supplied by some hardware manufacturers that allow
diverse uses.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.

[Arnie Goetchius]

Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
>> Rant number 75.
>>
>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>
>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>> Skype I could get.
>
> Who says?
>
> I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
> could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.
>
>> <snip>
>
Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
latest version.

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 21:39:01 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:23:05
>-0500, "(PeteCresswell)" > wrote:
>
>>Per pyotr filipivich:
>>>Oh it does. have a friend who blames pot as the gateway drug. 'If
>>>it wasn't for pot, I'd never have started smoking tobacco!"
>>
>>To the extent that pot compromises one's judgment and (in my experience,
>>anyhow) cuts a few points off of one's IQ, I would say he may be on to
>>something.
>
>What I was thinking is that the last time I had a puff of a cigarette I
>was 8 years old and my uncle** had fun laughing at me when I choked, so
>my only experience with smoking is that it chokes me.

We started taking hits off the cigs we were using as punks to
light firecrackers in the 2nd & 3rd grade. Ah, Hawaii, all sorts of
reasons to set off fireworks through the year.

>If I learned how to smoke pot, I would know how to smoke without choking
>and that major impediment would be gone.

Mostly it is getting your lungs, etc "numb". Much like that
second or third shot of straight whiskey. The first one burns, but
after that "No", hack, wheeze, "I'm " cough, "okay. Boy, that's
smooth."

tschus
pyotr
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:37:00
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:

>In message >, micky
> writes:
>[]
>>***I've got a new bluetooth one ear headset that I've tried to make
>>work. Even though it says in my ear that it's connected and says on the
>>screen that it's paired and under Sound it's listed as both a mike and a
>>speaker (twice each for that matter, with slightly different names), I
>>can't hear anything out of the earpiece and I wanted to test the mike.
>>
>>I know tbe earpiece basically works because when I'm in Sound / Sounds
>>and I 'test" various sounds like beep and windows startup I hear them in
>>my ear, but nothing else.
>>
>Not sure which OS you're running, as I'm seeing this in the XP and 10
>groups. (I take XP and 7, but I can see the headers.)

I'm running 10, but I sent this thread to XP too so they could rejoice
that they weren't running 10!

>On 7, and I suspect 10, you can have different sound hardware set up for
>different things - the usual reason being to keep music playing, and
>usually system sounds like the beep and startup, coming out of the
>speaker, but to route communications (Skype etc.) to a headset. Sounds

This explains one thing I needed an explanation for. In the Sound /
Sounds window (in 10) when the earpiece is turned out there are four
entries for playback** and the speakerwsr had a green/white checkmark
and an earpiece entry had a green/white image of a telephone handset.
So based on what you say, I guess that means that was the one that was
meant to work with Skype, while the speakers were for most other things.

And that would be perfect I think, since I don't want to listen to my
music through my earpiece.

(To some extent the green images could be re-assigned, by clicking
things, but I'm sure the way I have it above was possible.)

That means maybe the problem is in Skype, the only telephone program I
have.

It also means I should test this on XP, where as you say, this division
doesn't exist (which is why I didn't recognize it when I saw it.), and
where in my netbook the built-in speakers are next to worthless. I'll
test in XP as early as tomorrow if possible.


**Speakers;
headphones,(that came with the OS, even though I never used headphones
earpiece, and
earpiece stereo.

Someone gave me a decent explanation how it can have stereo even though
it goes in only one ear, but I dont' remember enough to repeat it.

Okay, tested it today. Couldnt' get XP netbook to pair with my
earpiece, but I did get my cell phone to bluetooth tether to my netbook.
That was easy.

I may try cable tethering and hotspot later, but at least this works

When I turned on the bluetooth for the phone, I think that's when the
wifi on it turned off, but it went back on, so I was getting wifi to the
phone from the DSL router, and then relaying it via bluetooth to the XP
netbook.

I did have to download xptether.dll from the web, or at least they said
I did. It's still in my download directory and I don't know if it will
work from there, so maybe the dll is only needed for cable tethering?

>to me like you've got system sounds routed to your bluetooth earpiece
>(and possibly not "communications"). There's a similar routing for sound
>input, e. g. the microphone.
>
>(AFAIK, XP has no such separation - it just uses one lot of hardware for
>input, and one lot [can be the same, e. g. card or headset-pod] for
>output, and doesn't use any _other_ hardware present at all. There _may_
>be special drivers supplied by some hardware manufacturers that allow
>diverse uses.)

I also noted the versions of Skype that are running.

In XP it's version 7.30.0.105 but it's copyright this year and it set up
to use Skpe Wifi

In Win10 it's ver 11.9.261.0 and it does no more.

Yesterday on Win10 desktop, I clicking on Test Audio, several times over
2 hours, did nothing, but today it makes a bunch of different noises.
So now would be the time to get the earpiece to work, but unlike
yesterday, I can't even connect it. Maybe trying to connect it to the
netbook fouled it up for the desktop computer, but all in all, I'm
making progress, so I'm happy. .

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Whatever happened to the original, working Skype will remain a secret
for us to wonder.... :)

On 27/11/2016 10:47 AM, micky wrote:
> I used Whatsapp once to call Asia. So cool. But the other person has
> to have it running on his cell phone. Skype can call landlines.
>
> And for more money you can get a skype phone number so that landlines
> can call you and leavfe a message. I assume this is less money to the
> callers than other means of making international calls.
>
> However I went into settings today to try test my microphone*** and I
> clicked on Test Audio and nothing happened. It used to allow you to
> set the level, and there use to be a phone number you could call and
> talk to and it would play back what you said so yo'd know if the volume
> were right. None of that was there afaict.
>
> ***I've got a new bluetooth one ear headset that I've tried to make
> work. Even though it says in my ear that it's connected and says on the
> screen that it's paired and under Sound it's listed as both a mike and a
> speaker (twice each for that matter, with slightly different names), I
> can't hear anything out of the earpiece and I wanted to test the mike.
>
> I know tbe earpiece basically works because when I'm in Sound / Sounds
> and I 'test" various sounds like beep and windows startup I hear them in
> my ear, but nothing else.
>

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Fri 25 Nov 2016 09:42:48p, *Bill in Co* inviava su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio
. Vediamo cosa scrisse:

> I seem to recall that if you tried installing an even
> older version for less bloat, it forced you to upgrade.

yes, otherwise the system won't work

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[Paul[_32_]]

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to the original, working Skype will remain a secret
> for us to wonder.... :)

The important part, is the bit you don't see.

The original Skype was distributed, kinda like a
torrent. This prevents easy tapping of the connections
in a guaranteed way.

Once Microsoft took ownership, they centralized the
data routing. There is no good reason for doing this,
except for the most nefarious purposes. The old scheme
worked just fine (supernodes etc).

I've not seen an analysis of what encryption changes
might have been made to Skype once Microsoft got it.

All this worrying about the GUI, that's not the
important part.

Paul

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 28 Nov 2016 23:05:38
-0500, Paul > wrote:

>Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> Whatever happened to the original, working Skype will remain a secret
>> for us to wonder.... :)
>
>The important part, is the bit you don't see.
>
>The original Skype was distributed, kinda like a
>torrent. This prevents easy tapping of the connections
>in a guaranteed way.
>
>Once Microsoft took ownership, they centralized the
>data routing. There is no good reason for doing this,
>except for the most nefarious purposes. The old scheme
>worked just fine (supernodes etc).
>
>I've not seen an analysis of what encryption changes
>might have been made to Skype once Microsoft got it.
>
>All this worrying about the GUI, that's not the
>important part.
>
> Paul

Well, everything Paul said was above my head, but I should say that a
few things have made Skype seem better than my first attack on it.
a) I found Light Mode, so I don't feel like it's designed for someone
on LSD or with a motorcycle anymore.
b) The Test Audio which did nothing the first day I found it worked on
the second day -- Unfortunately my new bluetooth earpiece connected the
first day adn showed up in the lists of speakers and microphones, but
the day that the Skype sound was working, it wouldn't connect.
c) I finally found About so I could get the version.
d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it
would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which
continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of
contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I
installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live
without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and
leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level.

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, micky
> writes:
[]
> d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it
>would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which
>continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of
>contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I
>installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live

You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I
too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service"
(with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and
plays it back. Still there for me!

>without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and

Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones.

>leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level.

Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to
hers, which is easier.
>
>I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
>worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.

Agreed (not just for Skype). Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
have a menu bar; I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
generic setting in Windows.
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without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>
>I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
>worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.

It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."

I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way
of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only
so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or
fiddle with the computer.)

Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
-0500, Arnie Goetchius > wrote:

>Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
>>> Rant number 75.
>>>
>>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>>
>>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>>> Skype I could get.
>>
>> Who says?
>>
>> I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
>> could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.
>>
Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
and Features.

So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.

>>> <snip>
>>
>Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
>then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
>7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
>latest version.

That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.

Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --

But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
it.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:

>In message >, micky
> writes:
>[]
>> d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it
>>would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which
>>continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of
>>contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I
>>installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live
>
>You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I
>too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
>as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service"
>(with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and
>plays it back. Still there for me!

I was wrong about that. Sorry. I was probably looking in Settings,
Preference, or Options, whatever they call it, and instead it's in
alphabetical order among the contacts, as you say.
>
>>without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and
>
>Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones.

Yes, you have to put in I think it's a minimum of $10 to start and then
it's about 3cents a minute, maybe less, to call locally or long distance
and not too much more to call most foreign countries. Going back maybe
before I had a cell phone, I was glad to do that so I can call long
distance when I'm at other people's houses without mooching off of them.
And it was the successor to Net2Phon, which iirc existed before anyone
had a cellphone (other than the one that was as big as a wwii
walkie-talkie.)

Also I changed my long distance from Bell to a cheaper service, which
then charged me, not only more than they said they would charge when I
signed up, but more than their webpage said they were charging at the
moment. But I dragged my feet about gathering data and complaining and
they cancelled me. So I had no long distance, within the US or out of
the country, for a couple years**,and I used Skype for that. It was
good.

But this fee is not like the monthly recurring fee to have an incoming
Skype phone number in digits, that can be called from an ordinary phone.
Committing to a monthly fee is a lot more money. (One can call for free
another Skype customer if Skype is running on his computer or phone,
using his Skype name, not a phone *number*.

**I kept trying to find a long distance service similar to the one that
had cancelled me, and maybe I was just stupid since they all talked
about the rate to foreign countries but no one talked about calling in
the US long distance. I finally signed up for one that works very well,
and it's only reference to calling in the US is that the US is in the
list of 200 countries that it gives the rate for. Maybe the others
were like that too and I forced myself to use Skype for no good reason.

I have $7 remaining in my account but I think I spent the first 10.

>>leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level.
>
>Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to
>hers, which is easier.

Yes, that works fine and it's free.

>>I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
>>worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.
>
>Agreed (not just for Skype).

Thunderbird!! How come you and I know this but those writers don't?

>Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
>have a menu bar;

Skype Preview?

> I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
>to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
>generic setting in Windows.

Hmmm.

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40
-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:

>micky > on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>
>>I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
>>worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.
>
> It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."

That must be it. ;-(
>
> I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
>expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way

Study, shmudy. I want them to do it my way, our way. How come the 3
of us know it's better and they don't?

>of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only
>so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or
>fiddle with the computer.)
>
> Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style."

[pyotr filipivich]

B00ze > on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 00:47:05 -0500 typed
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>On 2016-11-25 07:47, CRNG > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky >
>> wrote in >
>>
>>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>>> Skype I could get.
>>>
>>> And boy did they ruin it.
>>
>> MS does that a lot.
>
>Yeah, but then there is Symantec, who buy companies, just to kill all
>their products, and cherry-pick 10 lines of code from one to integrate
>in theirs. At least MS tries to keep the products alive for a little bit
>longer ;-)

Microsoft motto is "Embrace, extend, and extinguish", also known
as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate".
Or "fix it so it doesn't work with anyone else's version, then
micrate it to our version."


--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:07:47 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40
>-0800, pyotr filipivich > wrote:
>
>>micky > on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
>>typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>>>
>>>I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
>>>worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.
>>
>> It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."
>
>That must be it. ;-(
>>
>> I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
>>expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way
>
>Study, shmudy.

Hey, I spent a lot of time and effort on that study!
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, micky
> writes:
>In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
>+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:
[]
>>too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
[]
>>Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
>>have a menu bar;
>
>Skype Preview?

No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine.
>
>> I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
>>to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
>>generic setting in Windows.
>
>Hmmm.

I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another
piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look
like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by
default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it
back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in
normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your
Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite
a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned
off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars).
Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but
Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon
as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As the man said when confronted by a large dinner salad, "This isn't food.
This is what food eats."

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:36:33
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:

>In message >, micky
> writes:
>>In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
>>+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:
>[]
>>>too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
>[]
>>>Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
>>>have a menu bar;
>>
>>Skype Preview?
>
>No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine.
>>
>>> I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
>>>to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
>>>generic setting in Windows.
>>
>>Hmmm.
>
>I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another
>piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look
>like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by
>default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it
>back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in
>normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your
>Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite

Alas, Skype Preview has no View. The "virus" has spread that far.

>a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned
>off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars).

No Toolbars entry either.

>Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but
>Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon
>as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.)

I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).

[Arnie Goetchius]

micky wrote:
> In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
> -0500, Arnie Goetchius > wrote:
>
>> Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
>>>> Rant number 75.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>>>
>>>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>>>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>>>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>>>> Skype I could get.
>>>
>>> Who says?
>>>
>>> I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
>>> could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.
>>>
> Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
> and Features.
>
> So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
> wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.
>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>> Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
>> then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
>> 7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
>> latest version.
>
> That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
> even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.
>
> Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
> 7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
> wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
> surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
> updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
> for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
> Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
> in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
> a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
> win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --
>
> But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
> XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
> without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
> calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
> and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
> it.
>
How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown here:

https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/windows-2/uninstall-skype-preview-in-windows-10/

and then installing full Skype as shown here:

https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, micky
> writes:
[]
>I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
>did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
>trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
>to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).

Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

in the kingdom of the bland, the one idea is king. - Rory Bremner (on
politics), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:

>In message >, micky
> writes:
>[]
>>I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
>>did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
>>trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
>>to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).
>
>Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
>he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?

No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in
turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b)
I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine
has more business sense than I do.

[pyotr filipivich]

micky > on Sat, 03 Dec 2016 15:59:31 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
>In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34
>+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote:
>
>>In message >, micky
> writes:
>>[]
>>>I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
>>>did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
>>>trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
>>>to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).
>>
>>Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
>>he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?
>
>No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in
>turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b)
>I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine
>has more business sense than I do.

"Have your machine call my machine, we'll do lunch.".
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Micky]

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:44:24
-0500, Arnie Goetchius > wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
>> -0500, Arnie Goetchius > wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
>>>>> Rant number 75.
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
>>>>> and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
>>>>> things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
>>>>> didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
>>>>> but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
>>>>> Skype I could get.
>>>>
>>>> Who says?
>>>>
>>>> I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
>>>> could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.
>>>>
>> Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
>> and Features.
>>
>> So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
>> wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.
>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>> Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
>>> then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
>>> 7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
>>> latest version.
>>
>> That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
>> even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.
>>
>> Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
>> 7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
>> wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
>> surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
>> updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
>> for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
>> Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
>> in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
>> a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
>> win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --
>>
>> But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
>> XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
>> without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
>> calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
>> and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
>> it.
>>
>How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown here:
>
>https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/windows-2/uninstall-skype-preview-in-windows-10/

Wow. Who would've thunk it? Thanks.

>and then installing full Skype as shown here:
>
>https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/