I need help with my mouse

[Shadow]

I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
big and comfortable, and points well.

But two things are really ****ing me off.

1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
I have to click a few times to get back to the document.

2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
when it hits an edge.

I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
game or app problem.

I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
drivers from the hardware profile.

Registry hacks anyone ?
TIA
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[Barry Schwarz[_2_]]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:15:38 -0200, Shadow > wrote:

>I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>big and comfortable, and points well.
>
>But two things are really ****ing me off.
>
>1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>I have to click a few times to get back to the document.

This sounds like you depressed (clicked) the wheel and entered
scroll-lock mode.

>2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>when it hits an edge.

Have you gone to the Control Panel and looked at what options are
available for the mouse?

>I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>game or app problem.
>
>I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>drivers from the hardware profile.

When you installed the mouse, did plug and play not automatically
install the driver for it? The drivers built-in to XP are obviously
old. Perhaps older than the mouse you bought recently. Have you
checked for any driver updates?

Did you remove the other drivers before or after you noticed the
undesirable behavior?

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[Shadow]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:20:32 -0800, Barry Schwarz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:15:38 -0200, Shadow > wrote:
>
>>I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>>Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>>big and comfortable, and points well.
>>
>>But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>
>>1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>>document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>>spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>>I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>
>This sounds like you depressed (clicked) the wheel and entered
>scroll-lock mode.

Yes, probably, it's very easily pressed. What I want is a reg
edit to turn scroll-lock OFF, IOW ignore the command from the mouse.
>
>>2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>>reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>>specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>>when it hits an edge.
>
>Have you gone to the Control Panel and looked at what options are
>available for the mouse?
>
>>I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>>game or app problem.
>>
>>I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>drivers from the hardware profile.
>
>When you installed the mouse, did plug and play not automatically
>install the driver for it? The drivers built-in to XP are obviously
>old. Perhaps older than the mouse you bought recently. Have you
>checked for any driver updates?

I deleted all the old drivers with a "ghost" utility, then
allowed the mouse to be installed by the M$ wizard, or whatever it's
called. So it's using M$ drivers.
>
>Did you remove the other drivers before or after you noticed the
>undesirable behavior?

Yes, like I said. The only drivers that were installed were
for a Genius mouse, and I wiped them.

My settings:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse]
"DoubleClickSpeed"="500"
"MouseTrails"="0"
"MouseThreshold1"="4"
"MouseThreshold2"="0"
"MouseSpeed"="1"
"MouseSensitivity"="14"
"mousehovertime"="100"
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[Ed Mc[_6_]]

On 1/13/2017 9:35 AM, Shadow wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:20:32 -0800, Barry >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:15:38 -0200, > wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>>> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>>> big and comfortable, and points well.
>>>
>>> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>>
>>> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>>> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>>> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>>> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>>
>> This sounds like you depressed (clicked) the wheel and entered
>> scroll-lock mode.
>
> Yes, probably, it's very easily pressed. What I want is a reg
> edit to turn scroll-lock OFF, IOW ignore the command from the mouse.
>>
>>> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>>> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>>> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>>> when it hits an edge.
>>
>> Have you gone to the Control Panel and looked at what options are
>> available for the mouse?
>>
>>> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>>> game or app problem.
>>>
>>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>> drivers from the hardware profile.
>>
>> When you installed the mouse, did plug and play not automatically
>> install the driver for it? The drivers built-in to XP are obviously
>> old. Perhaps older than the mouse you bought recently. Have you
>> checked for any driver updates?
>
> I deleted all the old drivers with a "ghost" utility, then
> allowed the mouse to be installed by the M$ wizard, or whatever it's
> called. So it's using M$ drivers.
>>
>> Did you remove the other drivers before or after you noticed the
>> undesirable behavior?
>
> Yes, like I said. The only drivers that were installed were
> for a Genius mouse, and I wiped them.
>
> My settings:
>
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse]
> "DoubleClickSpeed"="500"
> "MouseTrails"="0"
> "MouseThreshold1"="4"
> "MouseThreshold2"="0"
> "MouseSpeed"="1"
> "MouseSensitivity"="14"
> "mousehovertime"="100"
> []'s

Sorry I don't know how to fix your problem but I seem to remember
PowerToys Tweak UI had some configurations for the pc mouse. You could
probably try using that and see if it does anything to help. Luck.
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[Shadow]

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 04:13:02 -0800, Ed Mc > wrote:

>On 1/13/2017 9:35 AM, Shadow wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:20:32 -0800, Barry >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:15:38 -0200, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>>>> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>>>> big and comfortable, and points well.
>>>>
>>>> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>>>
>>>> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>>>> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>>>> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>>>> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>>>
>>> This sounds like you depressed (clicked) the wheel and entered
>>> scroll-lock mode.
>>
>> Yes, probably, it's very easily pressed. What I want is a reg
>> edit to turn scroll-lock OFF, IOW ignore the command from the mouse.
>>>
>>>> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>>>> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>>>> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>>>> when it hits an edge.
>>>
>>> Have you gone to the Control Panel and looked at what options are
>>> available for the mouse?
>>>
>>>> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>>>> game or app problem.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>>> drivers from the hardware profile.
>>>
>>> When you installed the mouse, did plug and play not automatically
>>> install the driver for it? The drivers built-in to XP are obviously
>>> old. Perhaps older than the mouse you bought recently. Have you
>>> checked for any driver updates?
>>
>> I deleted all the old drivers with a "ghost" utility, then
>> allowed the mouse to be installed by the M$ wizard, or whatever it's
>> called. So it's using M$ drivers.
>>>
>>> Did you remove the other drivers before or after you noticed the
>>> undesirable behavior?
>>
>> Yes, like I said. The only drivers that were installed were
>> for a Genius mouse, and I wiped them.
>>
>> My settings:
>>
>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse]
>> "DoubleClickSpeed"="500"
>> "MouseTrails"="0"
>> "MouseThreshold1"="4"
>> "MouseThreshold2"="0"
>> "MouseSpeed"="1"
>> "MouseSensitivity"="14"
>> "mousehovertime"="100"
>> []'s
>
>Sorry I don't know how to fix your problem but I seem to remember
>PowerToys Tweak UI had some configurations for the pc mouse. You could
>probably try using that and see if it does anything to help. Luck.

TY, sounds like I'll need it.
I have TweakUI installed, nowhere to limit where mouse goes
or do disable scroll wheel lock. I'll search for a third party app.
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[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, Shadow
> writes:
[]
>>On 1/13/2017 9:35 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:20:32 -0800, Barry >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:15:38 -0200, > wrote:
[]
>>>>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>>>> drivers from the hardware profile.
[]
>>> I deleted all the old drivers with a "ghost" utility, then
>>> allowed the mouse to be installed by the M$ wizard, or whatever it's
>>> called. So it's using M$ drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Did you remove the other drivers before or after you noticed the
>>>> undesirable behavior?
>>>
>>> Yes, like I said. The only drivers that were installed were
>>> for a Genius mouse, and I wiped them.
[]
> I have TweakUI installed, nowhere to limit where mouse goes
>or do disable scroll wheel lock. I'll search for a third party app.
> []'s
If you can _find_ the disc that came with your Genius mouse, it might be
worth putting that driver back (-:!
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[Ed Mc[_6_]]

On 1/13/2017 5:15 AM, Shadow wrote:
> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
> big and comfortable, and points well.
>
> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>
> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>
> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
> when it hits an edge.
>
> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
> game or app problem.
>
> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
> drivers from the hardware profile.
>
> Registry hacks anyone ?
> TIA

Maybe something like this could help?: >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bXS8t2SHg


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[Shadow]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:43:19 -0800, Ed Mc > wrote:

>On 1/13/2017 5:15 AM, Shadow wrote:
>> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>> big and comfortable, and points well.
>>
>> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>
>> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>>
>> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>> when it hits an edge.
>>
>> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>> game or app problem.
>>
>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>> drivers from the hardware profile.
>>
>> Registry hacks anyone ?
>> TIA
>
>Maybe something like this could help?: >
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bXS8t2SHg

;)

Right.

Anyway, I found that XP was loading TWO drivers simultaneously
for my mouse.

HID\VID_192f&Pid_0416
and
HID\VID_0458&Pid_003a

Removing them, it automatically installed

HID\VID_045E&PID_0084

Which seems to fix my problem of the mouse going all over the
place, until it decides to install yet another driver, I suppose.
But WTF (the W is "Why") can't M$ recognize it's OWN hardware
?
3 different drivers for the same mouse ?
Is this a ploy to make you downgrade to Win 7 or worse ?
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[mike[_10_]]

On 1/17/2017 4:22 AM, Shadow wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:43:19 -0800, Ed Mc > wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/2017 5:15 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>>> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>>> big and comfortable, and points well.
>>>
>>> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>>
>>> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>>> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>>> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>>> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>>>
>>> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>>> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>>> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>>> when it hits an edge.
>>>
>>> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>>> game or app problem.
>>>
>>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>> drivers from the hardware profile.
>>>
>>> Registry hacks anyone ?
>>> TIA
>>
>> Maybe something like this could help?: >
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bXS8t2SHg
>
> ;)
>
> Right.
>
> Anyway, I found that XP was loading TWO drivers simultaneously
> for my mouse.
>
> HID\VID_192f&Pid_0416
> and
> HID\VID_0458&Pid_003a
>
> Removing them, it automatically installed
>
> HID\VID_045E&PID_0084
>
> Which seems to fix my problem of the mouse going all over the
> place, until it decides to install yet another driver, I suppose.
> But WTF (the W is "Why") can't M$ recognize it's OWN hardware
> ?
> 3 different drivers for the same mouse ?
> Is this a ploy to make you downgrade to Win 7 or worse ?
> []'s
>
I'm doing this from memory and verifying on win7. don't have an active
XP machine any more...
Go into device manager and "show hidden devices". That should disclose
every device that ever had a driver installed.
If you're using the USB port for the mouse,
there's a utility called USBDeview that will give you info
on any USB device ever installed and let you delete those you don't like.

I vaguely remember a similar utility that's not restricted to USB,
but I can't put my finger on it.

[Shadow]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:15:11 -0800, mike > wrote:

>On 1/17/2017 4:22 AM, Shadow wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:43:19 -0800, Ed Mc > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/13/2017 5:15 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>>> I bought a standard Microsoft "Basic" USB/PS2 compatible Optical
>>>> Mouse, because they said it worked with just about everything. It's
>>>> big and comfortable, and points well.
>>>>
>>>> But two things are really ****ing me off.
>>>>
>>>> 1)Quite often I'm scrolling down a document using the wheel and the
>>>> document freezes with a "white round image with a pyramid up, a round
>>>> spot and a pyramid down inside". Sorry, best way I can describe it.
>>>> I have to click a few times to get back to the document.
>>>>
>>>> 2)The mouse quite often goes "off-screen" when I'm playing a game, and
>>>> reappears on the other side of the screen, which if very annoying,
>>>> specially if it's an action online game. I expect the pointer to STOP
>>>> when it hits an edge.
>>>>
>>>> I NEVER had these problems using cheap generic mice, so it's not a
>>>> game or app problem.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't install any mouse software and removed the previous "genius"
>>>> drivers from the hardware profile.
>>>>
>>>> Registry hacks anyone ?
>>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Maybe something like this could help?: >
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bXS8t2SHg
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> Anyway, I found that XP was loading TWO drivers simultaneously
>> for my mouse.
>>
>> HID\VID_192f&Pid_0416
>> and
>> HID\VID_0458&Pid_003a
>>
>> Removing them, it automatically installed
>>
>> HID\VID_045E&PID_0084
>>
>> Which seems to fix my problem of the mouse going all over the
>> place, until it decides to install yet another driver, I suppose.
>> But WTF (the W is "Why") can't M$ recognize it's OWN hardware
>> ?
>> 3 different drivers for the same mouse ?
>> Is this a ploy to make you downgrade to Win 7 or worse ?
>> []'s
>>
>I'm doing this from memory and verifying on win7. don't have an active
>XP machine any more...
>Go into device manager and "show hidden devices". That should disclose
>every device that ever had a driver installed.

Yes, I did that, it showed just one device/driver for the mouse.

HID/VID_192F&PID_0416, which would be "WheelMouse USB Advanced
Wheel Mouse", a generic driver.

So I loaded Driver Magician, and that showed TWO active drivers for my
mouse. I "removed" both of them (and driver magician made a backup of
both). I then allowed XP to install the mouse again. This time round,
it chose the correct driver.

>If you're using the USB port for the mouse,
>there's a utility called USBDeview that will give you info
>on any USB device ever installed and let you delete those you don't like.

Yes, I know, I did that, but the only HID device was already listed as
a Microsoft Mouse, before I deleted the two "wrong" drivers.
>
>I vaguely remember a similar utility that's not restricted to USB,
>but I can't put my finger on it.

GhostBuster. I used that too. The latest version is buggy, won't load.
Version 1.0.0.0 works fine.
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