Firefox problem?

[KenK]

Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin Firefox. As
I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I think I need it. I
tried again but though I continue to have problems I can't get the error
message. Web site features don't work such as selecting my state from a
list.

I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably the
original XP version. Never used it as I recall.

Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?

I'm using XP Home.

TIA


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[Paul in Houston TX[_2_]]

KenK wrote:
> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin Firefox. As
> I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I think I need it. I
> tried again but though I continue to have problems I can't get the error
> message. Web site features don't work such as selecting my state from a
> list.
>
> I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably the
> original XP version. Never used it as I recall.
>
> Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?
>
> I'm using XP Home.
>
> TIA

JS is built into the browser.
Which FF?
Is JS enabled?
Have you tried a booting into FF safe mode?

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

KenK wrote:

> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin Firefox. As
> I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I think I need it. I
> tried again but though I continue to have problems I can't get the error
> message. Web site features don't work such as selecting my state from a
> list.

So what add-ons did you install into Firefox?

[KenK]

Paul in Houston TX > wrote in
:

> KenK wrote:
>> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin
>> Firefox. As I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I
>> think I need it. I tried again but though I continue to have problems
>> I can't get the error message. Web site features don't work such as
>> selecting my state from a list.
>>
>> I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably the
>> original XP version. Never used it as I recall.
>>
>> Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?
>>
>> I'm using XP Home.
>>
>> TIA
>
> JS is built into the browser.
> Which FF?

52.0

> Is JS enabled?

How? I don't see it in Options

> Have you tried a booting into FF safe mode?

How? I don't see that in Options/Security





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[Paul[_32_]]

KenK wrote:
> Paul in Houston TX > wrote in
> :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin
>>> Firefox. As I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I
>>> think I need it. I tried again but though I continue to have problems
>>> I can't get the error message. Web site features don't work such as
>>> selecting my state from a list.
>>>
>>> I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably the
>>> original XP version. Never used it as I recall.
>>>
>>> Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?
>>>
>>> I'm using XP Home.
>>>
>>> TIA
>> JS is built into the browser.
>> Which FF?
>
> 52.0
>
>> Is JS enabled?
>
> How? I don't see it in Options
>
>> Have you tried a booting into FF safe mode?
>
> How? I don't see that in Options/Security
>

In the URL bar

about:config

Agree to accept the risk.

In the search bar in that dialog:

javascript

You will see an item

javascript.enable TRUE/FALSE

I suspect that's a boolean that affects Javascript
for the browser. Double-click to toggle. (Note - do
*not* delete entries in that interface, as there is
no undo. I did that once... OMG, what an adventure.)

Now, what's unclear, is what the browser does when it
needs to read prefs.js :-) So "Javascript off", doesn't
mean for everything. Just the Internet facing side I
would suspect.

Paul

[Tim Slattery[_2_]]

KenK > wrote:


>> JS is built into the browser.
>> Which FF?
>
>52.0

Ahh...I believe that FF has disabled Java (not JavaScript, they are
very different things) support in version 52.0. *Not* something I'm
happy about. So check the error message carefully - is it actually
referring to Java? If the web page you're using is trying to use a
Java applet, you'll have to try a different browser.

--
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

[Tim Slattery[_2_]]

Tim Slattery > wrote:

>KenK > wrote:
>
>
>>> JS is built into the browser.
>>> Which FF?
>>
>>52.0
>
>Ahh...I believe that FF has disabled Java (not JavaScript, they are
>very different things) support in version 52.0. *Not* something I'm
>happy about. So check the error message carefully - is it actually
>referring to Java? If the web page you're using is trying to use a
>Java applet, you'll have to try a different browser.

Yeah but...I had read on Slashdot that Firefox was dropping support
for Java. But I just got upgraded to version 52 on Vista, and I'm
still able to do the Newsday and New York Times crosswords, which use
Java Applets.

So I don't know what's going on with the OP.

--
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Tim Slattery wrote:

> Ahh...I believe that FF has disabled Java (not JavaScript, they are
> very different things) support in version 52.0. *Not* something I'm
> happy about. So check the error message carefully - is it actually
> referring to Java? If the web page you're using is trying to use a
> Java applet, you'll have to try a different browser.

Because the OP separated the words "Java" and "Script", it is unclear if
he is complaining that Java applets no longer work or if Javascripted
web pages no longer work. Java is not Javascript.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript

Java support wwithin a web browser is via a plug-in. Oracle has yet to
get away from its NPAPI plug-in for Java (but note below where they tell
developers to migrate to their Java Web Start platform).

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/
Dated Oct 8, 2015.

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2013/09/24/plugin-activation-in-firefox/

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807

Means it won't work under Google Chrome (or other Chromium derivatives),
either, since they deprecated NPAPI long before Mozilla. Chromium
deprecated NPAPI awhile ago.

https://www.chromium.org/developers/npapi-deprecation

This isn't news to Oracle. They've known for a long time (years) that
NPAPI was going to get discontinued. See:

https://www.java.com/en/download/help/firefox_java.xml

The first hit was back in 2013 when Mozilla changed the default behavior
of some plug-ins to block them from loading by default. That is,
instead of defaulting to "Always activate", they changed "Ask to
activate" (with the added "Never activate" option). See:

https://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/23/0044227/firefoxs-blocked-by-default-java-isnt-going-down-well
(The original linked-to page no longer exists.)

Here's one still around:

https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/23/say-goodbye-to-npapi/

Oracle knew back in 2013, if not before, that NPAPI was going away. Did
they develop a web API replacement? No, they stuck their heads in the
sand and ignored the change. Well, they didn't bother with an NPAPI
plug-in replacement but rely on their users switching to Java Web Start.

https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/moving_to_a_plugin_free
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Web_Start

Oracle announced that plug-in support was deprecated in JDK 9 over a
year ago and will be completely removed in a future version.

https://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/01/30/oracles-pulling-the-plug-on-java-browser-plugin/

Back to the OP's issue, and assuming "Java Script" means Javascript and
not Java, each web browser incorporates a Javascript engine but that
doesn't mean Javascript is currently enabled. It is enabled, by
default, at install time but users can disable it. However, users may
employ add-ons that toggle Javascript because having to drill into
about:config is a nuisance and obscure for the majority of users to go
change the javascript.enabled setting.

Visit one of the many sites that will test if Javascript is enabled or
not in the web browser you use when visiting the test site.

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-javascript-enabled
http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/

[KenK]

VanguardLH > wrote in :

> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/

Result is NO.

Tried

about:config

and search does not find Javascript.



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[KenK]

Paul > wrote in :

> KenK wrote:
>> Paul in Houston TX > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> KenK wrote:
>>>> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin
>>>> Firefox. As I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I
>>>> think I need it. I tried again but though I continue to have
problems
>>>> I can't get the error message. Web site features don't work such as
>>>> selecting my state from a list.
>>>>
>>>> I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably
the
>>>> original XP version. Never used it as I recall.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?
>>>>
>>>> I'm using XP Home.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>> JS is built into the browser.
>>> Which FF?
>>
>> 52.0
>>
>>> Is JS enabled?
>>
>> How? I don't see it in Options
>>
>>> Have you tried a booting into FF safe mode?
>>
>> How? I don't see that in Options/Security
>>
>
> In the URL bar
>
> about:config
>
> Agree to accept the risk.
>
> In the search bar in that dialog:
>
> javascript

Nope. Nothing shows up. Another in this conversation said to try

http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/

Which says NO.

> You will see an item
>
> javascript.enable TRUE/FALSE
>
> I suspect that's a boolean that affects Javascript
> for the browser. Double-click to toggle. (Note - do
> *not* delete entries in that interface, as there is
> no undo. I did that once... OMG, what an adventure.)
>
> Now, what's unclear, is what the browser does when it
> needs to read prefs.js :-) So "Javascript off", doesn't
> mean for everything. Just the Internet facing side I
> would suspect.
>
> Paul
>



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Tim Slattery wrote:

> Tim Slattery > wrote:
>
>>KenK > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> JS is built into the browser.
>>>> Which FF?
>>>
>>>52.0
>>
>>Ahh...I believe that FF has disabled Java (not JavaScript, they are
>>very different things) support in version 52.0. *Not* something I'm
>>happy about. So check the error message carefully - is it actually
>>referring to Java? If the web page you're using is trying to use a
>>Java applet, you'll have to try a different browser.
>
> Yeah but...I had read on Slashdot that Firefox was dropping support
> for Java. But I just got upgraded to version 52 on Vista, and I'm
> still able to do the Newsday and New York Times crosswords, which use
> Java Applets.
>
> So I don't know what's going on with the OP.

I'm not wasting my time to subscribe at the New York Times for what
should be a publicly accessible crossword. So I cannot test what their
current crossword actually uses for scripting. They had a link to an
archived version saying that one was free.

http://www.nytimes.com/crosswords/game/daily/2013/08/03

That one doesn't use Java. I don't even have to look at the page source
to determine if Java was used or not. How do I know Java is not used
there? Because I have not had the Java plug-in installed in any web
browser for many years. I haven't needed it since 2008 when I left an
employer that used Java applets, and anywhere else that I visited that
demanded Java just had me go elsewhere for the same content without the
Java plug-in requirement. I don't have the Java plug-in so how could
that crossword page be working if it required Java?

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/extras/crossword-puzzle-1.6375288

That's a link to a PDF file. I don't read Newsday so I don't know where
else to find the crossword. The above link was found through a Google
search. I went to newsday.com and clicked on the Crossword link under
the More section. That took me to the same page offering PDF downloads.

Rather than hunt around for online crosswords that actually use Java or
any other web page employing Java, you can test if the Java plug-in is
working in your web browser by visiting:

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-java-installed
https://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Note that I switched to the 64-bit version of Firefox a few months ago.
That does not support the Java plug-in. Visting:

https://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp?detect=jre

has Oracle saying:

We have detected you are using the 64-bit version of Firefox which
will not run the Java plugin. Use the Java Control Panel to find the
installed Java version.

While Oracle has a 64-bit JRE, do they have a 64-bit NPAPI plug-in or is
it still 32-bit (i.e., a 32-bit plug-in in a 64-bit JRE bundle)?

[KenK]

KenK > wrote in news:XnsA7385E821E54Binvalidcom@
130.133.4.11:

Here is the error message I got from one web site:

"Your computer or network appears to be blocking scripts. Please unblock
scripts from payments.volusion.com to complete your transaction."

Comments? Suggestions?

Another browser? If so, which one?

> Paul > wrote in :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>> Paul in Houston TX > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> KenK wrote:
>>>>> Today I've not been able to properly use several web sites usin
>>>>> Firefox. As I reall, the error was something about Java Script - I
>>>>> think I need it. I tried again but though I continue to have
> problems
>>>>> I can't get the error message. Web site features don't work such as
>>>>> selecting my state from a list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't get my old MS IE browser to work at all. This is probably
> the
>>>>> original XP version. Never used it as I recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions? If I need it, how to get and install Java Script?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using XP Home.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>> JS is built into the browser.
>>>> Which FF?
>>>
>>> 52.0
>>>
>>>> Is JS enabled?
>>>
>>> How? I don't see it in Options
>>>
>>>> Have you tried a booting into FF safe mode?
>>>
>>> How? I don't see that in Options/Security
>>>
>>
>> In the URL bar
>>
>> about:config
>>
>> Agree to accept the risk.
>>
>> In the search bar in that dialog:
>>
>> javascript
>
> Nope. Nothing shows up. Another in this conversation said to try
>
> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/
>
> Which says NO.
>
>> You will see an item
>>
>> javascript.enable TRUE/FALSE
>>
>> I suspect that's a boolean that affects Javascript
>> for the browser. Double-click to toggle. (Note - do
>> *not* delete entries in that interface, as there is
>> no undo. I did that once... OMG, what an adventure.)
>>
>> Now, what's unclear, is what the browser does when it
>> needs to read prefs.js :-) So "Javascript off", doesn't
>> mean for everything. Just the Internet facing side I
>> would suspect.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
>
>



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I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

KenK wrote:

> VanguardLH:
>
>> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/
>
> Result is NO.
>
> Tried about:config and search does not find Javascript.

A search on "javascript" (and nothing else add, just "javascript" by
itself) should have found around 44 settings. To find the relevant
setting, search on "javascript.enabled" (obviously without the double
quotes used here to delineate the search criteria) so you don't have to
wade through all the other Javascript-related settings.

Search on "javascript" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
http://imgur.com/a/3FUoS
(click on image to enlarge)

Search on "javascript.enabled" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
http://imgur.com/a/fj8rD

Are you using the Search input field provided at the top of the
about:config page or some other means of searching the list of settings?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]]

In message >, KenK
> writes:
>KenK > wrote in news:XnsA7385E821E54Binvalidcom@
>130.133.4.11:
>
>Here is the error message I got from one web site:
>
>"Your computer or network appears to be blocking scripts. Please unblock
>scripts from payments.volusion.com to complete your transaction."
>
>Comments? Suggestions?

Ah. It would seem possible that you've added a no-script blocker to your
browser, possibly years ago - either one that blocks all scripts, or
blocks ones from a website other than the one you're addressing, or
blocks ones from a given (possibly online) blacklist, or only allows
ones from a given whitelist. If it's using the blacklist option, and the
blacklist is periodically downloaded from an online source, it is
possible that "payments.volusion.com" has just been added to the
blacklist, either in error or because of something nefarious a script
from that site has been observed to do.

(And I think this would be java_script_ rather than just java.)
>
>Another browser? If so, which one?
[]
Your present one should allow the page to work if you turn off the
script blocker (noscript is the commonest), or add the offending site to
its whitelist/remove it from its blacklist. If you trust the website in
question, of course; from the name, I assume it's something to do with
handling payments.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of
confidence. D McLeod

[KenK]

VanguardLH > wrote in :

> KenK wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH:
>>
>>> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/
>>
>> Result is NO.
>>
>> Tried about:config and search does not find Javascript.
>
> A search on "javascript" (and nothing else add, just "javascript" by
> itself) should have found around 44 settings. To find the relevant
> setting, search on "javascript.enabled" (obviously without the double
> quotes used here to delineate the search criteria) so you don't have to
> wade through all the other Javascript-related settings.
>
> Search on "javascript" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
> http://imgur.com/a/3FUoS
> (click on image to enlarge)
>
> Search on "javascript.enabled" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
> http://imgur.com/a/fj8rD

Says javascript.enabled boolean true

but web sites still say java script blocked by computer or network. I never
had this problem until the past few days but I didn't change or install
anything.

> Are you using the Search input field provided at the top of the
> about:config page

yes

or some other means of searching the list of settings?
>



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I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

[Paul[_32_]]

KenK wrote:
> VanguardLH > wrote in :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH:
>>>
>>>> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/
>>> Result is NO.
>>>
>>> Tried about:config and search does not find Javascript.
>> A search on "javascript" (and nothing else add, just "javascript" by
>> itself) should have found around 44 settings. To find the relevant
>> setting, search on "javascript.enabled" (obviously without the double
>> quotes used here to delineate the search criteria) so you don't have to
>> wade through all the other Javascript-related settings.
>>
>> Search on "javascript" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
>> http://imgur.com/a/3FUoS
>> (click on image to enlarge)
>>
>> Search on "javascript.enabled" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
>> http://imgur.com/a/fj8rD
>
> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>
> but web sites still say java script blocked by computer or network. I never
> had this problem until the past few days but I didn't change or install
> anything.
>
>> Are you using the Search input field provided at the top of the
>> about:config page
>
> yes
>
> or some other means of searching the list of settings?

Check for an add-on such as NoScript.

If that isn't it, Firefox has a "reset" procedure.

You want to export your bookmarks for safety, if returning Firefox to
factory conditions. In the Bookmark Manager, there is an
Export function you can use for that. That's so the bookmarks
are in a semi-readable format.

The purpose of doing the reset, would be to remove something
you haven't noticed is present. I don't think it actually needs
to be reset because of a corruption problem.

The www.isjavascriptenabled.com site returns two pieces of information.
It'll say "Yes" if JS is present. The item underneath that, seems
to be a character set or locale-type indicator. Only one of my browsers
indicated "UTF-8" for that field, while the other two browsers
said "undefined".

*******

Just about any other browser would support Javascript.

Exceptions might be Internet Explorer (ECMAscript) or MSEdge in Win10.
Most other browsers should be ready for Javascript.

*******

If you need another browser, try this one. It is Chromium based,
but perhaps not as "wired" to Google. I use this only for situations
where compatibility prevents my other browsers from working. So this
is a "fully functional" browser. On youtube.com/html5, all the
tick boxes are green.

http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php

To get Flash on that, you use a PPAPI plugin, rather than the
NPAPI package you've been using for Firefox. You shouldn't
need Flash though, to complete your current mission.

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"

The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
That appears to be what I used at the time.

And I have that installed on WinXP.

Paul

[Paul in Houston TX[_2_]]

KenK wrote:
> VanguardLH > wrote in :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH:
>>>
>>>> http://www.isjavascriptenabled.com/
>>>
>>> Result is NO.
>>>
>>> Tried about:config and search does not find Javascript.
>>
>> A search on "javascript" (and nothing else add, just "javascript" by
>> itself) should have found around 44 settings. To find the relevant
>> setting, search on "javascript.enabled" (obviously without the double
>> quotes used here to delineate the search criteria) so you don't have to
>> wade through all the other Javascript-related settings.
>>
>> Search on "javascript" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
>> http://imgur.com/a/3FUoS
>> (click on image to enlarge)
>>
>> Search on "javascript.enabled" (sans double quotes) in about:config:
>> http://imgur.com/a/fj8rD
>
> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>
> but web sites still say java script blocked by computer or network. I never
> had this problem until the past few days but I didn't change or install
> anything.
>
>> Are you using the Search input field provided at the top of the
>> about:config page
>
> yes
>
> or some other means of searching the list of settings?

Try:
FF tool bar > help > restart FF with add-ons disabled.
If that fixes it then the problem is due to an add-on.
Restart FF then turn off add-ons one at a time or by 3's if you have a lot until you find
the offending one.
Also, delete ALL of your cookies.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]]

In message >, Paul in Houston TX
> writes:
[]
>Try:
>FF tool bar > help > restart FF with add-ons disabled.
>If that fixes it then the problem is due to an add-on.
>Restart FF then turn off add-ons one at a time or by 3's if you have a
>lot until you find the offending one.
>Also, delete ALL of your cookies.
>
>
By threes is better than one at a time. But I always recommend a
_binary_ approach: turn off half of them, then half of what's left, and
so on - lets you home in in the least number of steps.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

KenK wrote:

> Says javascript.enabled boolean true

As requested before, what add-ons (aka extensions) have you installed
into Firefox?

This time, in addition, disable any anti-virus, 3rd party software, or
other security software you have installed to make sure it is not
interferring or modifying your web traffic.

[Paul in Houston TX[_2_]]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message >, Paul in Houston TX > writes:
> []
>> Try:
>> FF tool bar > help > restart FF with add-ons disabled.
>> If that fixes it then the problem is due to an add-on.
>> Restart FF then turn off add-ons one at a time or by 3's if you have a lot until you
>> find the offending one.
>> Also, delete ALL of your cookies.
>>
>>
> By threes is better than one at a time. But I always recommend a _binary_ approach: turn
> off half of them, then half of what's left, and so on - lets you home in in the least
> number of steps.

I forgot about that method! :)

[KenK]

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote in news:it
:

> In message >, KenK
> > writes:
>>KenK > wrote in news:XnsA7385E821E54Binvalidcom@
>>130.133.4.11:
>>
>>Here is the error message I got from one web site:
>>
>>"Your computer or network appears to be blocking scripts. Please
unblock
>>scripts from payments.volusion.com to complete your transaction."
>>
>>Comments? Suggestions?
>
> Ah. It would seem possible that you've added a no-script blocker to
your
> browser, possibly years ago - either one that blocks all scripts, or
> blocks ones from a website other than the one you're addressing, or
> blocks ones from a given (possibly online) blacklist, or only allows
> ones from a given whitelist. If it's using the blacklist option, and
the
> blacklist is periodically downloaded from an online source, it is
> possible that "payments.volusion.com" has just been added to the
> blacklist, either in error or because of something nefarious a script
> from that site has been observed to do.
>
> (And I think this would be java_script_ rather than just java.)
>>
>>Another browser? If so, which one?
> []
> Your present one should allow the page to work if you turn off the
> script blocker (noscript is the commonest), or add the offending site
to
> its whitelist/remove it from its blacklist. If you trust the website in
> question, of course; from the name, I assume it's something to do with
> handling payments.


Yep. It has no-script. Looks like I can click on its icon and temporarily
disable it. Will try that next time I have a script problem.

--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

[KenK]

VanguardLH > wrote in :

> KenK wrote:
>
>> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>
> As requested before, what add-ons (aka extensions) have you installed
> into Firefox?

I install SownThemAll and Kaspersky. But when looking at the add-ons list
it appears Firefix installed no-script without asking. From what I've
been reading here that's my problem. Firefox also installed Status-4-
Evar.

> This time, in addition, disable any anti-virus, 3rd party software, or
> other security software you have installed to make sure it is not
> interferring or modifying your web traffic.
>



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[VanguardLH[_2_]]

KenK wrote:

> VanguardLH > wrote in :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>
>>> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>>
>> As requested before, what add-ons (aka extensions) have you installed
>> into Firefox?
>
> I install SownThemAll and Kaspersky. But when looking at the add-ons list
> it appears Firefix installed no-script without asking. From what I've
> been reading here that's my problem. Firefox also installed Status-4-
> Evar.

Firefox didn't install any of that. It completed the installations that
you initiated. Add-ons (extensions) and plug-ins get installed by the
user - whichever user that may be. Do you leave your computer unlocked
when you are away from it? Are there others in your household? Do you
not use a password to secure your Windows account? Who has physical
access to your computer? Users install add-ons and plug-ins, not
Firefox.

If NoScript is installed then it will, by default, block scripts from
EVERYWHERE. You can configure it to allow 1st party scripts (i.e.,
those from the site that you choose to visit); however, many sites use
more than one domain so scripts they get from an off-domain (not the one
you visited) will also get blocked. You have to train NoScript as to
which scripts to allow and from where. That requires a lot of training
(by the program to update its lists and by you to know how to use it).
If you don't know how to use NoScript then there is no point in leaving
it installed.

I tried NoScript but its default behavior when you allow script source
is that it will allow that script source for all sites that you visit.
Lots of scripts are hosted at CDNs (Content Delivery Networks) which
means they have scripts from a huge number of sites. Allowing scripts
from that source means allowing scripts from every site utilizing that
CDN service. You have to dig into NoScript's settings and modify the
Allow rule to to restrict grant permission for the off-domain script to
just the site you visit. That means having to learn their syntax on how
to define rules. uMatrix, by default, when told to allow a script
source, will allow it only for the site you visited when you allowed
that off-domain script. uMatrix, by default, is more focused than
NoScript; however, it is just as easy to define a global Allow rule
using its matrix list (how you click on the matrix for a source decides
whether it is a site-local or global filter).

Both NoScript and uMatrix take learning time to figure out how to use
them. They don't automagically install by themselves at the whim of
Firefox. Users install add-ons.

Kaspersky needs to install an add-on or plug-in into Firefox? Maybe
they interrogate your web traffic but an add-on is not required to do
that. I use Avast and have used Avira (without its adware toolbar) and
BitDefender (the free version of each) and none of them installed an
add-on or plug-in - and I have Avast interrogating both my HTTP and
HTTPS web traffic.

I don't know what is the SownThemAll add-on. Sown is something about
sowing seeds (past tense of sow: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sown).
Didn't find a ShowThemAll add-on. Did find a DownThemAll add-on which
is a download manager and accelerator (so it claims). I used one of
those many many years ago when I had a much slower Internet connection
(i.e., dial-up). Haven't needed one since I've been on an always-on
cable connection. http://www.downthemall.net/ says that add-on will die
when Mozilla moves from its old XUL scheme of coding extensions to using
the newer webextensions API (extremely similar to what Google uses in
their Chrome web browser). So it's going to be a dead extension unless
you continue using an old pre-webextension version of Firefox. For the
author's article, see:

http://www.downthemall.net/re-downthemall-and-webextensions-or-why-why-i-am-done-with-mozilla/

There have been 1.3M downloads of the extension (that only means how
many have downloaded it, not how many are currently using it).
Apparently it is too big a task to convert his extension to the new
webextension API so it's going to get discontinued.

[KenK]

VanguardLH > wrote in :

> KenK wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> KenK wrote:
>>>
>>>> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>>>
>>> As requested before, what add-ons (aka extensions) have you
>>> installed into Firefox?
>>
>> I install SownThemAll and Kaspersky. But when looking at the add-ons
>> list it appears Firefix installed no-script without asking. From what
>> I've been reading here that's my problem. Firefox also installed
>> Status-4- Evar.
>
> Firefox didn't install any of that. It completed the installations
> that you initiated. Add-ons (extensions) and plug-ins get installed
> by the user - whichever user that may be. Do you leave your computer
> unlocked when you are away from it? Are there others in your
> household? Do you not use a password to secure your Windows account?
> Who has physical access to your computer? Users install add-ons and
> plug-ins, not Firefox.
>
I'm the only user. I don't recall installing noscropt or Statys-4-aver,
whatever that is.

> If NoScript is installed then it will, by default, block scripts from
> EVERYWHERE. You can configure it to allow 1st party scripts (i.e.,
> those from the site that you choose to visit); however, many sites use
> more than one domain so scripts they get from an off-domain (not the
> one you visited) will also get blocked. You have to train NoScript as
> to which scripts to allow and from where. That requires a lot of
> training (by the program to update its lists and by you to know how to
> use it). If you don't know how to use NoScript then there is no point
> in leaving it installed.
>
> I tried NoScript but its default behavior when you allow script source
> is that it will allow that script source for all sites that you visit.
> Lots of scripts are hosted at CDNs (Content Delivery Networks) which
> means they have scripts from a huge number of sites. Allowing scripts
> from that source means allowing scripts from every site utilizing that
> CDN service. You have to dig into NoScript's settings and modify the
> Allow rule to to restrict grant permission for the off-domain script
> to just the site you visit. That means having to learn their syntax
> on how to define rules. uMatrix, by default, when told to allow a
> script source, will allow it only for the site you visited when you
> allowed that off-domain script. uMatrix, by default, is more focused
> than NoScript; however, it is just as easy to define a global Allow
> rule using its matrix list (how you click on the matrix for a source
> decides whether it is a site-local or global filter).
>
> Both NoScript and uMatrix take learning time to figure out how to use
> them. They don't automagically install by themselves at the whim of
> Firefox. Users install add-ons.

I'll probably set Noscript to 'Disable' on Add-ons Manager list.

> Kaspersky needs to install an add-on or plug-in into Firefox? Maybe
> they interrogate your web traffic but an add-on is not required to do
> that. I use Avast and have used Avira (without its adware toolbar)
> and BitDefender (the free version of each) and none of them installed
> an add-on or plug-in - and I have Avast interrogating both my HTTP and
> HTTPS web traffic.
>
> I don't know what is the SownThemAll add-on.

My typo. Should be DownThemAll. I like it for DLing stuff.

> Sown is something about
> sowing seeds (past tense of sow:
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sown). Didn't find a ShowThemAll
> add-on. Did find a DownThemAll add-on which is a download manager and
> accelerator (so it claims). I used one of those many many years ago
> when I had a much slower Internet connection (i.e., dial-up). Haven't
> needed one since I've been on an always-on cable connection.
> http://www.downthemall.net/ says that add-on will die when Mozilla
> moves from its old XUL scheme of coding extensions to using the newer
> webextensions API (extremely similar to what Google uses in their
> Chrome web browser). So it's going to be a dead extension unless you
> continue using an old pre-webextension version of Firefox. For the
> author's article, see:
>
> http://www.downthemall.net/re-downthemall-and-webextensions-or-why-why-
> i-am-done-with-mozilla/
>
> There have been 1.3M downloads of the extension (that only means how
> many have downloaded it, not how many are currently using it).
> Apparently it is too big a task to convert his extension to the new
> webextension API so it's going to get discontinued.
>



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

[KenK]

KenK > wrote in
:

> Yep. It has no-script. Looks like I can click on its icon and
> temporarily disable it. Will try that next time I have a script
> problem.
>
>

I found that if I disable it I can leave its other protection on and just
disable the script blocking so I am trying that.


--
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[J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]]

In message >, KenK
> writes:
>VanguardLH > wrote in :
>
>> KenK wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> KenK wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Says javascript.enabled boolean true
>>>>
>>>> As requested before, what add-ons (aka extensions) have you
>>>> installed into Firefox?
>>>
>>> I install SownThemAll and Kaspersky. But when looking at the add-ons
>>> list it appears Firefix installed no-script without asking. From what
>>> I've been reading here that's my problem. Firefox also installed
>>> Status-4- Evar.
>>
>> Firefox didn't install any of that. It completed the installations
>> that you initiated. Add-ons (extensions) and plug-ins get installed
>> by the user - whichever user that may be. Do you leave your computer

When you "installed" Firefox, were you by any chance upgrading it? On
the whole, when upgrading, it leaves any plugins that were installed and
enabled in the previous version installed and enabled, unless it thinks
they won't work with the new version (in which case I think it leaves
them installed, but disables them. I've also seen - I'm not sure under
what circumstances - it say something like "these plugins may not be
compatible with the new version - shall I go to see if I can find
upgrades for them?").

>> unlocked when you are away from it? Are there others in your
>> household? Do you not use a password to secure your Windows account?
>> Who has physical access to your computer? Users install add-ons and
>> plug-ins, not Firefox.
>>
>I'm the only user. I don't recall installing noscropt or Statys-4-aver,
>whatever that is.

Status-4-ever keeps the status bar, i. e. the bar across the bottom of
the Firefox window (which can be configured much as other toolbars, but
by default shows what Firefox is doing - connecting to..., waiting
for..., etcetera, and IMO the most useful Done). The status bar was
removed (without that plugin) at some version of Firefox before 25
(possibly well before).
[]
>> I don't know what is the SownThemAll add-on.
>
>My typo. Should be DownThemAll. I like it for DLing stuff.
[]
>> Apparently it is too big a task to convert his extension to the new
>> webextension API so it's going to get discontinued.
>>
)-: Seems to be not uncommon. [For downloading - but it may be only for
videos, I'm not sure - I find DownloadHelper works well.]
>
>
>
3
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"Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick.

[KenK]

Paul > wrote in :

> If you need another browser, try this one. It is Chromium based,
> but perhaps not as "wired" to Google. I use this only for situations
> where compatibility prevents my other browsers from working. So this
> is a "fully functional" browser. On youtube.com/html5, all the
> tick boxes are green.
>
> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php

OK. At long last I DLed this browser and installed it. I'd earlier tried
Oprah but it wouldn't install after I DLed it. The EXE file wouldn't do
anything.

Anyhow, now I'm looking for a user's guide or a manual for iron browser.
Tried Google with both terms but after four lists with no manual mentioned
I gave up. Suggestions? I haven't had time to experiment with it but the
first screen was overwhelmingly busy! Maybe it's easier than I think after
I get a chance to experiment with it for a bit?

I tried to speed up Firefox with no success. Maybe it's not FF but my DSL
connection. My newsreader works fine though. If I can start using Iron
Browser I'll soon fond out.

This is on XP.

> To get Flash on that, you use a PPAPI plugin, rather than the
> NPAPI package you've been using for Firefox. You shouldn't
> need Flash though, to complete your current mission.
>
> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
>
> Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
> Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
> Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"
>
> The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
> That appears to be what I used at the time.
>
> And I have that installed on WinXP.
>



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[mike[_10_]]

On 6/7/2017 10:35 AM, KenK wrote:
> Paul > wrote in :
>
>> If you need another browser, try this one. It is Chromium based,
>> but perhaps not as "wired" to Google. I use this only for situations
>> where compatibility prevents my other browsers from working. So this
>> is a "fully functional" browser. On youtube.com/html5, all the
>> tick boxes are green.
>>
>> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
>
> OK. At long last I DLed this browser and installed it. I'd earlier tried
> Oprah but it wouldn't install after I DLed it. The EXE file wouldn't do
> anything.
>
> Anyhow, now I'm looking for a user's guide or a manual for iron browser.
> Tried Google with both terms but after four lists with no manual mentioned
> I gave up. Suggestions? I haven't had time to experiment with it but the
> first screen was overwhelmingly busy! Maybe it's easier than I think after
> I get a chance to experiment with it for a bit?
>
> I tried to speed up Firefox with no success. Maybe it's not FF but my DSL
> connection. My newsreader works fine though. If I can start using Iron
> Browser I'll soon fond out.

Might be interesting to take a look at your DNS servers.
Sometimes the default provided by your ISP is not the fastest one.
There are sites that suggest the best DNS server for your situation.
>
> This is on XP.
>
>> To get Flash on that, you use a PPAPI plugin, rather than the
>> NPAPI package you've been using for Firefox. You shouldn't
>> need Flash though, to complete your current mission.
>>
>> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
>>
>> Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
>> Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
>> Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"
>>
>> The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
>> That appears to be what I used at the time.
>>
>> And I have that installed on WinXP.
>>
>
>
>