You can get it from news.eternal-september.org

[Boolworm Cowboy]

You can get it from news.eternal-september.org

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

[Ed Cryer]

Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>
> Regards,
>
> Bookworm Cowboy
> Lakeland, Florida
>
>

Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".

Ed

[Caver1]

On 11/05/2014 08:12 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
>> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bookworm Cowboy
>> Lakeland, Florida
>>
>>
>
> Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".
>
> Ed
>

Shows up as "Book" here.

--
Caver1

[Leala]

On 05-Nov-2014 08:22, Caver1 wrote:
> On 11/05/2014 08:12 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
>>> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bookworm Cowboy
>>> Lakeland, Florida
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> Shows up as "Book" here.
>

The sig says _Bookworm_ but the from says *Boolworm*

--
Leala.

[philo [_3_]]

For a minute I thought Ed had mis-read until on 2nd look I see that I
missed the "boolworm" entirely reminding me of the poem I wrote many
years ago:





21 sep 93

feeling blurry
i looked up and saw a sign:
OPTIMIST.
i walked into the shop & said:
that's exactly what we need in this world,
more optimism.
i could use some.

at this point
the OPTOMETRIST looked up and said:
maybe...
you just need new glasses.

[Bookworm Cowboy]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:08:37 -0500, Leala > wrote:

>On 05-Nov-2014 08:22, Caver1 wrote:
>> On 11/05/2014 08:12 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
>>>> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bookworm Cowboy
>>>> Lakeland, Florida
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> Shows up as "Book" here.
>>
>
>The sig says _Bookworm_ but the from says *Boolworm*

I just wish the rest of the news servers would pick up this group. They have thousands of dead groups that are no longer in
use, and should be purged. But start a new group, and it takes them forever to add it.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

[Paul]

Bookworm Cowboy wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:08:37 -0500, Leala > wrote:
>
>> On 05-Nov-2014 08:22, Caver1 wrote:
>>> On 11/05/2014 08:12 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
>>>>> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bookworm Cowboy
>>>>> Lakeland, Florida
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>> Shows up as "Book" here.
>>>
>> The sig says _Bookworm_ but the from says *Boolworm*
>
> I just wish the rest of the news servers would pick up this group. They have thousands of dead groups that are no longer in
> use, and should be purged. But start a new group, and it takes them forever to add it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bookworm Cowboy
> Lakeland, Florida
>
>

The alt.* hierarchy uses a "light-weight" process.

The Big-8 groups, on the other hand, have a democratic
process involving writing a charter, bringing the group
to a vote, and sending out signed control messages. That
whole process takes forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_(Usenet)

You really shouldn't complain about how quickly
alt.comp.os.windows-10 propagated. In fact it
was "lightning fast".

And the "lightweight manual" method of addition for
alt.*, is why you're not going to find messages to
alt.comp.os.windows-10 archived on groups.google.com.
Nobody knows how to effectively communicate with
Google :-) Hahaha. Google doesn't know the group exists.

There is a process for removing groups too.
If you visit uk.net.news.config for example,
the activity starting Oct.30,2014 shows some
steps taken to remove a few groups from uk.*.
That's an example of a "democratic control process"
for the groups list.

For hierarchies with the "full process", you need a
proponent to propose a group and a proponent to
ask for the removal of a group. The former people
are easier to find, than the latter. And that's why
you won't find a lot of energy put into trimming
the list.

Some admins trim the list by hand, but
that's another story. Admins generally don't
do stuff like that - most admins "want to use the
automation" of the server to their advantage
(run the server using signed control messages).
Only a few administrators get a kick out of
editing the groups list by hand. It's a lot of work.

If your administrator trims the list by hand, and
you notice something you use goes missing, contact
them and they'll generally put it back right away.
If a control message was sent, "officially" doing
an rmgroup from all servers, the administrator
will instead explain that no server carries the
group any more. So there would be no point adding
it back by hand.

The server has dual controls, and lots of freedom
as to how you do things. A smart administrator,
lets the automation do the work. Hand editing
is for the birds. As it is, the administrator
is pretty busy tending to DDOS attacks, adjusting
CleanFeed to stop Chinese running shoe adverts from
showing up, and so on. No time or energy for hand-editing
the newsgroup list...

Paul

[Bookworm Cowboy]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:22:05 -0500, Paul > wrote:

>Bookworm Cowboy wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:08:37 -0500, Leala > wrote:
>>
>>> On 05-Nov-2014 08:22, Caver1 wrote:
>>>> On 11/05/2014 08:12 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
>>>>>> You can get it from news.eternal-september.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bookworm Cowboy
>>>>>> Lakeland, Florida
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Change your sig name. I love books too, but not "bools".
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>> Shows up as "Book" here.
>>>>
>>> The sig says _Bookworm_ but the from says *Boolworm*
>>
>> I just wish the rest of the news servers would pick up this group. They have thousands of dead groups that are no longer in
>> use, and should be purged. But start a new group, and it takes them forever to add it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bookworm Cowboy
>> Lakeland, Florida
>>
>>
>
>The alt.* hierarchy uses a "light-weight" process.
>
>The Big-8 groups, on the other hand, have a democratic
>process involving writing a charter, bringing the group
>to a vote, and sending out signed control messages. That
>whole process takes forever.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_(Usenet)
>
>You really shouldn't complain about how quickly
>alt.comp.os.windows-10 propagated. In fact it
>was "lightning fast".
>
>And the "lightweight manual" method of addition for
>alt.*, is why you're not going to find messages to
>alt.comp.os.windows-10 archived on groups.google.com.
>Nobody knows how to effectively communicate with
>Google :-) Hahaha. Google doesn't know the group exists.
>
>There is a process for removing groups too.
>If you visit uk.net.news.config for example,
>the activity starting Oct.30,2014 shows some
>steps taken to remove a few groups from uk.*.
>That's an example of a "democratic control process"
>for the groups list.
>
>For hierarchies with the "full process", you need a
>proponent to propose a group and a proponent to
>ask for the removal of a group. The former people
>are easier to find, than the latter. And that's why
>you won't find a lot of energy put into trimming
>the list.
>
>Some admins trim the list by hand, but
>that's another story. Admins generally don't
>do stuff like that - most admins "want to use the
>automation" of the server to their advantage
>(run the server using signed control messages).
>Only a few administrators get a kick out of
>editing the groups list by hand. It's a lot of work.
>
>If your administrator trims the list by hand, and
>you notice something you use goes missing, contact
>them and they'll generally put it back right away.
>If a control message was sent, "officially" doing
>an rmgroup from all servers, the administrator
>will instead explain that no server carries the
>group any more. So there would be no point adding
>it back by hand.
>
>The server has dual controls, and lots of freedom
>as to how you do things. A smart administrator,
>lets the automation do the work. Hand editing
>is for the birds. As it is, the administrator
>is pretty busy tending to DDOS attacks, adjusting
>CleanFeed to stop Chinese running shoe adverts from
>showing up, and so on. No time or energy for hand-editing
>the newsgroup list...
>
> Paul

Yep, this is the reason why people have the false impression that USENET is dead. Many of the groups have messages dating
back to 2012, 2008, and older. It should be quite obvious that USENET Group should be purged, so people can find the active
ones. There are quite a few USENET groups that are extremely active, but if you're not familiar were they are, or how to
locate them; you would get the false impression USENET is dead. The people overseeing USENET are the ones killing it, because
they will not purge the inactive groups so people can easily find the active ones. As for Google Groups, I use it to locate
the active USENET groups.

I'm quite interested in Windows 10, because I think Windows 8.1 sucks. I also know many people are interested in the topic,
and I wish the USENET servers would update their list, and carrier group to increase activity. My main paid USENET server
doesn't carry this group YET, but news.eternal-september.org dose. The funny part, news.eternal-september.org is a free
USENET server.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida