A nice article on Cortana

[T]

Hi All,

A nice article on M$'s Siri:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/

Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
it won't work anyway. :-)

-T

[Big_Al[_4_]]

T wrote on 1/28/2015 2:23 PM:
> Hi All,
>
> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> -T
>
Wouldn't surprise me that it don't work, lots of things supposedly don't work without it. I wouldn't know as I bought
into the hotmail account (course I had one way before 8 or 10 came out).

[Big_Al[_4_]]

T wrote on 1/28/2015 2:23 PM:
> Hi All,
>
> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> -T
>
Wouldn't surprise me that it don't work, lots of things supposedly don't work without it. I wouldn't know as I bought
into the hotmail account (course I had one way before 8 or 10 came out).

[T]

On 01/28/2015 11:59 AM, Big_Al wrote:
> T wrote on 1/28/2015 2:23 PM:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>> -T
>>
> Wouldn't surprise me that it don't work, lots of things supposedly don't work without it. I wouldn't know as I bought
> into the hotmail account (course I had one way before 8 or 10 came out).
>

Hi Big Al,

I just want a platform to run my programs (do my job).

I wish M$ had decided to do what Apple did. Have one toy
computer platform (iOS) and one serious workstation
platform (OSx).

Course, neither Apple or M$ will do what Linux does and
let you configure it as workstation or server or both or
whatever you want.

I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.

-T

have had customers show me Siri and laugh at all the
screw ups. I really think the goal is to spy on
you anyway. Sort of like a talking "Ask" toolbar.

[T]

On 01/28/2015 11:59 AM, Big_Al wrote:
> T wrote on 1/28/2015 2:23 PM:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>> -T
>>
> Wouldn't surprise me that it don't work, lots of things supposedly don't work without it. I wouldn't know as I bought
> into the hotmail account (course I had one way before 8 or 10 came out).
>

Hi Big Al,

I just want a platform to run my programs (do my job).

I wish M$ had decided to do what Apple did. Have one toy
computer platform (iOS) and one serious workstation
platform (OSx).

Course, neither Apple or M$ will do what Linux does and
let you configure it as workstation or server or both or
whatever you want.

I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.

-T

have had customers show me Siri and laugh at all the
screw ups. I really think the goal is to spy on
you anyway. Sort of like a talking "Ask" toolbar.

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T > wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
>http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
>Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>it won't work anyway. :-)

I use the heck out of the Siri equivalent on my Samsung Galaxy SIII, but I
don't think I'd use it on a laptop/desktop type of computer.

It's extremely handy when traveling. Without entering any info, I can ask
about my flight status (current or connecting), where's my hotel, where do
the locals eat, and so on. As you might be thinking, the first two (flights,
hotels, even rental cars) are examples of things that get answered by
snooping through my emails.

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T > wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
>http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
>Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>it won't work anyway. :-)

I use the heck out of the Siri equivalent on my Samsung Galaxy SIII, but I
don't think I'd use it on a laptop/desktop type of computer.

It's extremely handy when traveling. Without entering any info, I can ask
about my flight status (current or connecting), where's my hotel, where do
the locals eat, and so on. As you might be thinking, the first two (flights,
hotels, even rental cars) are examples of things that get answered by
snooping through my emails.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:

>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.

In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
Everything else is ornament.

Rod.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:

>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.

In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
Everything else is ornament.

Rod.

[John Aldred]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning the sucker off.
> Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> -T

No it won't work with a local account. Set my language to US English in
order to try Cortana in UK. This enabled it but demanded that I convert
my PC to a Microsoft account.

[John Aldred]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning the sucker off.
> Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> -T

No it won't work with a local account. Set my language to US English in
order to try Cortana in UK. This enabled it but demanded that I convert
my PC to a Microsoft account.

[John Szalay]

Roderick Stewart > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>
> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
> Everything else is ornament.
>
> Rod.

ABSOLUTELY !

a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..

[John Szalay]

Roderick Stewart > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>
> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
> Everything else is ornament.
>
> Rod.

ABSOLUTELY !

a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:01:37 -0600, john szalay <john.szalayatatt.net>
wrote:

>Roderick Stewart > wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>>
>>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>>
>> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
>> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
>> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
>> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
>> Everything else is ornament.
>>
>> Rod.
>
>ABSOLUTELY !
>
> a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..

Fluff to one person is gotta have it to the next person.

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:01:37 -0600, john szalay <john.szalayatatt.net>
wrote:

>Roderick Stewart > wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>>
>>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>>
>> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
>> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
>> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
>> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
>> Everything else is ornament.
>>
>> Rod.
>
>ABSOLUTELY !
>
> a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..

Fluff to one person is gotta have it to the next person.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

T wrote:

> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)

My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
participants.

I can just picture the increased sales of noise-cancelling headsets. Or
the added expense of companies provided full-walled or wall+glass
cubicles for each employee, much like when the vinyl record stores had
booths for potential buyers to listen to music without disturibing the
other patrons.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

T wrote:

> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>
> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
> it won't work anyway. :-)

My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
participants.

I can just picture the increased sales of noise-cancelling headsets. Or
the added expense of companies provided full-walled or wall+glass
cubicles for each employee, much like when the vinyl record stores had
booths for potential buyers to listen to music without disturibing the
other patrons.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:14:30 -0600, Char Jackson >
wrote:

>>>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
>>> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
>>> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
>>> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
>>> Everything else is ornament.
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>
>>ABSOLUTELY !
>>
>> a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..
>
>Fluff to one person is gotta have it to the next person.

I've always thought the "gotta have it" people are the ones I
sometimes see queueing outside Apple shops.

Rod.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:14:30 -0600, Char Jackson >
wrote:

>>>>I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>>>>in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>>>>trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
>>> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
>>> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
>>> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
>>> Everything else is ornament.
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>
>>ABSOLUTELY !
>>
>> a reliable OS that works without fluff! and I,m happy..
>
>Fluff to one person is gotta have it to the next person.

I've always thought the "gotta have it" people are the ones I
sometimes see queueing outside Apple shops.

Rod.

[Big_Al[_4_]]

Char Jackson wrote on 1/28/2015 3:54 PM:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> I use the heck out of the Siri equivalent on my Samsung Galaxy SIII, but I
> don't think I'd use it on a laptop/desktop type of computer.
>
> It's extremely handy when traveling. Without entering any info, I can ask
> about my flight status (current or connecting), where's my hotel, where do
> the locals eat, and so on. As you might be thinking, the first two (flights,
> hotels, even rental cars) are examples of things that get answered by
> snooping through my emails.
>
I agree, on a phone it's okay. My daughter has an iphone (6?) and she uses it some and it's okay. I say okay cause
she like others had the thumb typing down slick before speech rec. became good. With the suggested word help in the
typing she can pretty much type faster on the phone than I can on a PC keyboard, and I type quite fast.

[Big_Al[_4_]]

Char Jackson wrote on 1/28/2015 3:54 PM:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:23:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> I use the heck out of the Siri equivalent on my Samsung Galaxy SIII, but I
> don't think I'd use it on a laptop/desktop type of computer.
>
> It's extremely handy when traveling. Without entering any info, I can ask
> about my flight status (current or connecting), where's my hotel, where do
> the locals eat, and so on. As you might be thinking, the first two (flights,
> hotels, even rental cars) are examples of things that get answered by
> snooping through my emails.
>
I agree, on a phone it's okay. My daughter has an iphone (6?) and she uses it some and it's okay. I say okay cause
she like others had the thumb typing down slick before speech rec. became good. With the suggested word help in the
typing she can pretty much type faster on the phone than I can on a PC keyboard, and I type quite fast.

[Big_Al[_4_]]

VanguardLH wrote on 1/29/2015 1:23 AM:
> T wrote:
>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
> from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
> speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
> office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
> sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
> commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
> now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
> participants.
>
> I can just picture the increased sales of noise-cancelling headsets. Or
> the added expense of companies provided full-walled or wall+glass
> cubicles for each employee, much like when the vinyl record stores had
> booths for potential buyers to listen to music without disturibing the
> other patrons.
>
That reminds me I saw an article not too long ago that the author was seeing a trend in work spaces moving to open space
design and these 1/2 or 3/4 height walled cubicles. Never thought about the effect of voice rec software. That's
comical when you think about it. :-)

[Big_Al[_4_]]

VanguardLH wrote on 1/29/2015 1:23 AM:
> T wrote:
>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
> My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
> from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
> speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
> office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
> sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
> commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
> now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
> participants.
>
> I can just picture the increased sales of noise-cancelling headsets. Or
> the added expense of companies provided full-walled or wall+glass
> cubicles for each employee, much like when the vinyl record stores had
> booths for potential buyers to listen to music without disturibing the
> other patrons.
>
That reminds me I saw an article not too long ago that the author was seeing a trend in work spaces moving to open space
design and these 1/2 or 3/4 height walled cubicles. Never thought about the effect of voice rec software. That's
comical when you think about it. :-)

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>T wrote:
>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
>My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>participants.

If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>T wrote:
>
>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>
>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>
>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>
>My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>participants.

If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

[T]

On 01/28/2015 03:36 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>> I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>> in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>> trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>
> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
> Everything else is ornament.
>
> Rod.
>

well said

[T]

On 01/28/2015 03:36 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:21 -0800, T > wrote:
>
>> I fear that a lot of this play toy stuff M$ is throwing
>> in will be endless hour of us trying to fight through them
>> trying to get them to work. I could be wrong.
>
> In my case it'll be endless hours fighting through all the gimmicks
> trying to get them not to work. As you suggest, the greatest need is
> for a reliable, simple to use operating system that just enables us to
> get stuff done, and which will be supported for as long as possible.
> Everything else is ornament.
>
> Rod.
>

well said

[T]

On 01/29/2015 06:45 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>>
>>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>> My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>> speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>> office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>> sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>> commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>> now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>> participants.
>
> If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
> way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
> physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
> sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
> that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
> people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
> being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.
>
> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
> from home.
>


I am thinking "Ask Toolbar" on steroids

[T]

On 01/29/2015 06:45 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>>
>>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>> My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>> speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>> office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>> sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>> commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>> now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>> participants.
>
> If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
> way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
> physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
> sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
> that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
> people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
> being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.
>
> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
> from home.
>


I am thinking "Ask Toolbar" on steroids

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Char Jackson wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>>T wrote:
>>
>>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>>
>>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>>My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>>speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>>office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>>sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>>commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>>now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>>participants.
>
> If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
> way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
> physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
> sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
> that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
> people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
> being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.
>
> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
> from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

You might be used to everyone yakking away in their cubicles all day
long. I don't know your work environment. In our area, it's quiet. In
the tech support area, it's definitely noisier. In the sales area, they
get walls to silence their noise. With the addition of Cortana and with
the existing workplace setups, it will get noisier. Even if there's no
loud speaking, you'll have the din of murmuring wafting everywhere.

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Char Jackson wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>>T wrote:
>>
>>> A nice article on M$'s Siri:
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/get-know-cortana-windows-10/
>>>
>>> Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
>>> the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
>>> it won't work anyway. :-)
>>
>>My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
>>from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
>>speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
>>office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
>>sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
>>commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
>>now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
>>participants.
>
> If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
> way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
> physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
> sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
> that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
> people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
> being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.
>
> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
> from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

You might be used to everyone yakking away in their cubicles all day
long. I don't know your work environment. In our area, it's quiet. In
the tech support area, it's definitely noisier. In the sales area, they
get walls to silence their noise. With the addition of Cortana and with
the existing workplace setups, it will get noisier. Even if there's no
loud speaking, you'll have the din of murmuring wafting everywhere.

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>> from home.
>
>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>
>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>noise of phone calls.
>
>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

>Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
>voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
>using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
>users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
>constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
>delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
>to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>> from home.
>
>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>
>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>noise of phone calls.
>
>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

>Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
>voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
>using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
>users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
>constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
>delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
>to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
> to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
> was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
> against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
> grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
> checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
> Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
> cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
> more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gene E. Bloch[_2_]]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
> to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
> was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
> against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
> grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
> checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
> Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
> cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
> more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Char Jackson wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>>> from home.
>>
>>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>>
>>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>>noise of phone calls.
>>
>>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>>to enclose every Cortana user.
>
> Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
> recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
> has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

>>Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
>>voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
>>using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
>>users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
>>constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
>>delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
>>to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.
>
> I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

Oh, never went grocery shopping, never been in a store, never had to
wait for a bus, never tried to listen to a stage play or opera without
having to listen to cell phone ringing and people chatting on their
little box. Uh huh, sure, that's never happened to you. Or maybe you
are one of those constantly prattling on a cell phone so you don't hear
all the other cell phone users; i.e., you're part of the din.

Oh sure, there won't be any noise in the office full or workstations
where Cortana is *used*. What the **** you think happens when a group of
employees gather at some spot and start discussing something? Silence
disappears. Now, and considering this thread is about *using* Cortana,
what do you think will have in the office environment with a bunch of
employees talking at their computers? Oh, you thought it would get
quieter? Yeah, right. Making noise must surely incur more silence.

In sysprep of their workstations, any company can decide what features
to omit or include in the image they place on their workstations.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Char Jackson wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>
>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>>> from home.
>>
>>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>>
>>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>>noise of phone calls.
>>
>>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>>to enclose every Cortana user.
>
> Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
> recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
> has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

>>Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
>>voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
>>using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
>>users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
>>constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
>>delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
>>to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.
>
> I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

Oh, never went grocery shopping, never been in a store, never had to
wait for a bus, never tried to listen to a stage play or opera without
having to listen to cell phone ringing and people chatting on their
little box. Uh huh, sure, that's never happened to you. Or maybe you
are one of those constantly prattling on a cell phone so you don't hear
all the other cell phone users; i.e., you're part of the din.

Oh sure, there won't be any noise in the office full or workstations
where Cortana is *used*. What the **** you think happens when a group of
employees gather at some spot and start discussing something? Silence
disappears. Now, and considering this thread is about *using* Cortana,
what do you think will have in the office environment with a bunch of
employees talking at their computers? Oh, you thought it would get
quieter? Yeah, right. Making noise must surely incur more silence.

In sysprep of their workstations, any company can decide what features
to omit or include in the image they place on their workstations.

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
>> to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
>> was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
>> against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
>> grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
>> checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
>> Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
>> cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
>> more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.
>
> You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

Where's that? Out on a farm?

[VanguardLH[_2_]]

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
>> to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
>> was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
>> against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
>> grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
>> checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
>> Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
>> cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
>> more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.
>
> You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

Where's that? Out on a farm?

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:36:20 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>>
>>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>>>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>>>> from home.
>>>
>>>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>>>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>>>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>>>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>>>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>>>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>>>
>>>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>>>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>>>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>>>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>>>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>>>noise of phone calls.
>>>
>>>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>>>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>>>to enclose every Cortana user.
>>
>> Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
>> recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
>> has been available on smartphones for years.
>
>And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
>unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
>Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Actually, the premise was based on the *availability* of speech recognition.
Somehow, you morphed it into "all employees having to use Cortana".

If I go with you on your morph journey, then I agree with you, but that's
not where we are.

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:36:20 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH > wrote:
>>
>>>Char Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
>>>> concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
>>>> from home.
>>>
>>>I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
>>>we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
>>>even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
>>>workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
>>>clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
>>>since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.
>>>
>>>We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
>>>Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
>>>across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
>>>e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
>>>The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
>>>noise of phone calls.
>>>
>>>So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
>>>that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
>>>to enclose every Cortana user.
>>
>> Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
>> recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
>> has been available on smartphones for years.
>
>And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
>unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
>Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Actually, the premise was based on the *availability* of speech recognition.
Somehow, you morphed it into "all employees having to use Cortana".

If I go with you on your morph journey, then I agree with you, but that's
not where we are.