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[philo]

I'm now installing the latest release of Win10 preview.

I've been comparing Win 10 to Win 8


Both running in a virtual machine and Win10 definitely runs better.



To be sure I was making a fair comparison I figured I better check to
see how I have the Virtual Machines set up.

I've assigned 2 gigs of RAM to Win8 and I see I only have 1.5 assigned
to Win 10

That's pretty impressive.


I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
of RAM

[Paul]

philo wrote:
> I'm now installing the latest release of Win10 preview.
>
> I've been comparing Win 10 to Win 8
>
>
> Both running in a virtual machine and Win10 definitely runs better.
>
>
>
> To be sure I was making a fair comparison I figured I better check to
> see how I have the Virtual Machines set up.
>
> I've assigned 2 gigs of RAM to Win8 and I see I only have 1.5 assigned
> to Win 10
>
> That's pretty impressive.
>
>
> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
> of RAM

They make Win8.1 tablets now, with 1GB of RAM.

The Walmart "Black Friday" special was an example
of that.

Just keep dialing down the RAM, until you break it :-)

Paul

[philo]

On 02/17/2015 02:08 PM, Paul wrote:
> philo wrote:
>>
>>
>> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
>> of RAM
>
> They make Win8.1 tablets now, with 1GB of RAM.
>
> The Walmart "Black Friday" special was an example
> of that.
>
> Just keep dialing down the RAM, until you break it :-)
>
> Paul



1 gig is incredibly little

[Paul]

philo wrote:
> On 02/17/2015 02:08 PM, Paul wrote:
>> philo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
>>> of RAM
>>
>> They make Win8.1 tablets now, with 1GB of RAM.
>>
>> The Walmart "Black Friday" special was an example
>> of that.
>>
>> Just keep dialing down the RAM, until you break it :-)
>>
>> Paul
>
>
>
> 1 gig is incredibly little

The OS only needs 350MB. But you can
confirm that for me, as an avid experimenter.

That's my result for Windows 8, and Win 10 should
be roughly the same.

When you have a 1GB tablet, that's 350MB for the OS
and 650MB for some movie viewer you're using :-)
Because 650MB isn't going to go very far with
something like Photoshop. If you're consuming content,
it'll be enough.

Paul

[Dave Doe]

In article >, , philo
says...
>
> I'm now installing the latest release of Win10 preview.
>
> I've been comparing Win 10 to Win 8
>
>
> Both running in a virtual machine and Win10 definitely runs better.
>
>
>
> To be sure I was making a fair comparison I figured I better check to
> see how I have the Virtual Machines set up.
>
> I've assigned 2 gigs of RAM to Win8 and I see I only have 1.5 assigned
> to Win 10
>
> That's pretty impressive.
>
>
> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
> of RAM

I can't see that it's changed a lot since Vista (the kernel etc I'm
talking about).

Check out some "Minwin" links...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin

http://windows-now.com/blogs/robert/mark-russinovich-explains-minwin-
once-and-for-all.aspx

http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Mark-Russinovich-On-Working-
at-Microsoft-Windows-Server-2008-Kernel-MinWin-vs-ServerCore-HyperV/
(I hope that's the right vid - very interesting - I enjoyed it)

--
Duncan.

[philo]

On 02/17/2015 04:59 PM, Paul wrote:
> philo wrote:
>> On 02/17/2015 02:08 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> philo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
>>>> of RAM
>>>
>>> They make Win8.1 tablets now, with 1GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> The Walmart "Black Friday" special was an example
>>> of that.
>>>
>>> Just keep dialing down the RAM, until you break it :-)
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 gig is incredibly little
>
> The OS only needs 350MB. But you can
> confirm that for me, as an avid experimenter.
>
> That's my result for Windows 8, and Win 10 should
> be roughly the same.
>
> When you have a 1GB tablet, that's 350MB for the OS
> and 650MB for some movie viewer you're using :-)
> Because 650MB isn't going to go very far with
> something like Photoshop. If you're consuming content,
> it'll be enough.
>
> Paul



For good comparison I have the 32bit versions of Win8 and Win10


Win 10 runs what I would consider "normally" and ram usage at idle is
460 megs


Win 8 is exceedingly sluggish...essentially unusable. ram use at idle
is 1250 megs. No 3rd party apps running. Windows Defender is taking up
a lot of that.

Of course now days I would never build a machine with less than 8 gigs
of RAM...but from the little bit I've seen Win10 is going to be way more
popular that win8

[philo]

On 02/17/2015 06:12 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
> I
>>
>> To be sure I was making a fair comparison I figured I better check to
>> see how I have the Virtual Machines set up.
>>
>> I've assigned 2 gigs of RAM to Win8 and I see I only have 1.5 assigned
>> to Win 10
>>
>> That's pretty impressive.
>>
>>
>> I really doubt if too many would even thing of using that small amount
>> of RAM
>
> I can't see that it's changed a lot since Vista (the kernel etc I'm
> talking about).
>
> Check out some "Minwin" links...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin
>
> http://windows-now.com/blogs/robert/mark-russinovich-explains-minwin-
> once-and-for-all.aspx
>
> http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Mark-Russinovich-On-Working-
> at-Microsoft-Windows-Server-2008-Kernel-MinWin-vs-ServerCore-HyperV/
> (I hope that's the right vid - very interesting - I enjoyed it)
>



All versions of Windows XP and newer look pretty much the same to me.

I know all the code has been re-written but really I don't see anything new.

The big day for me was when I moved from Win95 to Win98 so I could get
USB support.

Other than that all I've seen with Windows are some built-in apps where
previously 3rd party was needed.


Other than that, what has made the most difference to me is moving from
a 32 to a 64 bit OS

[philo]

did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs

[Fernandes[_2_]]

"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...

did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs

....

What have you done?

[philo]

On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>
>
> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>
> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>
> ...
>
> What have you done?
>
>


It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in the
back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been hogging a
lot of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.

[Fernandes[_2_]]

"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>
>On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>
>>
>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>
>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>
>> ...
>>
>> What have you done?
>>
>>
>
>
>It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in the
>back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been hogging a lot
>of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.

Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
solution to change this thing.

[Fernandes[_2_]]

"Fernandes" escreveu na mensagem ...
>
>"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>
>>On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>
>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> What have you done?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in the
>>back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been hogging a lot
>>of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>
>Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
>solution to change this thing.

I turned off all background processes but system still needs 0.9 GB of ram.

[philo]

On 02/18/2015 08:54 AM, Fernandes wrote:
> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>
>> On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>
>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> What have you done?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in
>> the back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been
>> hogging a lot of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>
> Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
> solution to change this thing.

One thing you might not have done is to go into the Control
Panel....System....Advanced Settings....Performance

and set for "Best Performance"

I do that with all Windows machines I work on...even with very good
hardware specs. I want the best possible performance and do not want one
bit of "eye candy" .


Since I am running Win8 in a Virtual Machine, it is not going to perform
as well as Win8 running on real hardware.


Since I expect that any new machine today will come with at least 8 gigs
of RAM...it Win8 takes about a gig of RAM when idling...that should not
be too bad.


Also: With Windows 10 I am of course just running the Technical Preview
version and I'd sure things will change in it's final release

[Fernandes[_2_]]

"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>
>On 02/18/2015 08:54 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>
>>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> What have you done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in
>>> the back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been
>>> hogging a lot of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>>
>> Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
>> solution to change this thing.
>
>One thing you might not have done is to go into the Control
>Panel....System....Advanced Settings....Performance
>
>and set for "Best Performance"
>
>I do that with all Windows machines I work on...even with very good
>hardware specs. I want the best possible performance and do not want one
>bit of "eye candy" .
>
>
>Since I am running Win8 in a Virtual Machine, it is not going to perform as
>well as Win8 running on real hardware.
>
>
>Since I expect that any new machine today will come with at least 8 gigs of
>RAM...it Win8 takes about a gig of RAM when idling...that should not be too
>bad.
>
>
>Also: With Windows 10 I am of course just running the Technical Preview
>version and I'd sure things will change in it's final release

Simple machines still come with 2 GB RAM like the Celeron ones and there are
tablets with only 1 GB. Machines with 8 GB are the most expensive we have on
market. So, I don't understand how Paul can say Windows 8.1 consumes 350 MB
in idle. One thing you can do to speed up system performance is setting
virtual memory to fixed recommended amount.

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:05:52 -0000, "Fernandes" >
wrote:

>"Fernandes" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>
>>"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>
>>>On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>
>>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> What have you done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in the
>>>back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been hogging a lot
>>>of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>>
>>Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
>>solution to change this thing.
>
>I turned off all background processes but system still needs 0.9 GB of ram.

I don't know what "turned off all background processes" means, but if you
were to literally do that, Windows would stop.

[Fernandes[_2_]]

"Char Jackson" escreveu na mensagem
...
>
>On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:05:52 -0000, "Fernandes"
>
>wrote:
>
>>"Fernandes" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>
>>>"philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>
>>>>On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>>
>>>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> What have you done?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in the
>>>>back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been hogging a
>>>>lot
>>>>of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>>>
>>>Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
>>>solution to change this thing.
>>
>>I turned off all background processes but system still needs 0.9 GB of
>>ram.
>
>I don't know what "turned off all background processes" means, but if you
>were to literally do that, Windows would stop.

Go to task manager where you can see at processes tab a list of background
processes and windows processes. You can turn off background processes
without problems but it is not safe to turn off windows processes.

[mechanic]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:54:42 -0000, Fernandes wrote:

> Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
> solution to change this thing.

The System Requirements page specifies 1GB is necessary to run win8.
A real-world running system is likely to use more, the memory
management system will take advantage of whatever RAM is available,
up to a point. If it reports using 2GB on a system that doesn't mean
that 2GB is necessary to run windows.

[Paul]

Fernandes wrote:
> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>
>> On 02/18/2015 08:54 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>
>>>> On 02/18/2015 08:37 AM, Fernandes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "philo" escreveu na mensagem ...
>>>>>
>>>>> did some fine tuning and got memory usage on Win8 down to 680 megs
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> What have you done?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It turned out that I was wrong when I said I had no apps running in
>>>> the back ground. I had Lava Soft AdWare installed that had been
>>>> hogging a lot of RAM. I uninstalled it and now Win8 is running better.
>>>
>>> Windows 8 consumes at least 1.2 GB of RAM. Thought you found a magic
>>> solution to change this thing.
>>
>> One thing you might not have done is to go into the Control
>> Panel....System....Advanced Settings....Performance
>>
>> and set for "Best Performance"
>>
>> I do that with all Windows machines I work on...even with very good
>> hardware specs. I want the best possible performance and do not want
>> one bit of "eye candy" .
>>
>>
>> Since I am running Win8 in a Virtual Machine, it is not going to
>> perform as well as Win8 running on real hardware.
>>
>>
>> Since I expect that any new machine today will come with at least 8
>> gigs of RAM...it Win8 takes about a gig of RAM when idling...that
>> should not be too bad.
>>
>>
>> Also: With Windows 10 I am of course just running the Technical
>> Preview version and I'd sure things will change in it's final release
>
> Simple machines still come with 2 GB RAM like the Celeron ones and there
> are tablets with only 1 GB. Machines with 8 GB are the most expensive we
> have on market.
>
> So, I don't understand how Paul can say Windows 8.1 consumes 350 MB in idle.
>
> One thing you can do to speed up system
> performance is setting virtual memory to fixed recommended amount.

This is a 16GB machine. Using MSCONFIG and boot:advanced option, I
set maxmem to 512MB and rebooted. This is the result. With no program
running, in this photo you can see the OS uses 338MB. I can make it go
lower than that, but that's enough for now.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2586wb8.jpg

And this was captured on a *real* computer, not a VM. You can
tell the machine isn't happy at 512MB, but it did run, and it
didn't crash on shutdown. (When I've done these tests before,
shutdown is actually the hardest part for the machine. More
problems show up there.)

Paul