Windows 10 Upgrades Will Be Free—

[Chuck[_8_]]

*Even For Pirated Copies*

http://gizmodo.com/all-windows-10-upgrades-will-be-free-even-if-your-copy-1692096375

'Long live FREE source...'

[philo]

On 03/19/2015 02:00 PM, T wrote:
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<snip>

> Hi Paul,
>
> My prediction is that those with W7 will stay with it and those
> with Frankenstein (w8) will opt to upgrade to SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein,
> w10).
>
> I don't think SOF will make much of a dent in W7, but will wipe out
> Frankenstein. Mainly, I think this because M$ won't be
> able to resist and will throw enough of the tablet portion at
> desktop users as to keep them on 7.
>
> That and M$ like to put Beta level code out as Release to
> Manufacturer (RTM) and have their original adopters troubleshoot
> it for them. This will get around to W7 users who will stay
> put.
>
> Frankenstein users will be desperate and jump to SOF. And I
> predict they will be "mostly" pleased.
>
> I think this will be a Vista to W7 thing. A vast improvement
> from Vista to W7, but not quit the same speed or stability of
> XP. SOF will (may) be a vast improvement over Frankenstein,
> but not a full recovery to W7 levels.
>
> But, I could be wrong.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> -T



Yep. At this point it's nothing but speculation. I don't think even MS
can now predict where it's going to end up 15 months from now.


BTW: I worked on a Vista machine last week and I'll be darned,
I see that once the updates are applied it's now in good working condition!

[T]

On 03/19/2015 12:14 PM, philo wrote:
>
>
> BTW: I worked on a Vista machine last week and I'll be darned,
> I see that once the updates are applied it's now in good working condition!

Hi Philo,

When they service packs (SP) came out for Vista, they drove me
out of my mind. When I found them happening, I told customers
to just leave their machine running unattended fro two days
and it would eventually clear up.

I also carried the service packs with me and and set them
of updating locally. Started int he morning and comae back
the next day to see how they did.

Now, getting past all the heart break of installing them,
I too have noticed that Vista SP2 is a nice solid machine.

By the time Vista got to SP2 though, the well had already
been poisoned in the publics' mind.

-T

[philo]

On 03/19/2015 02:20 PM, T wrote:
> On 03/19/2015 12:14 PM, philo wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW: I worked on a Vista machine last week and I'll be darned,
>> I see that once the updates are applied it's now in good working
>> condition!
>
> Hi Philo,
>
> When they service packs (SP) came out for Vista, they drove me
> out of my mind. When I found them happening, I told customers
> to just leave their machine running unattended fro two days
> and it would eventually clear up.
>
> I also carried the service packs with me and and set them
> of updating locally. Started int he morning and comae back
> the next day to see how they did.
>
> Now, getting past all the heart break of installing them,
> I too have noticed that Vista SP2 is a nice solid machine.
>
> By the time Vista got to SP2 though, the well had already
> been poisoned in the publics' mind.
>
> -T
>
>
>

The Vista machine I worked on had been upgraded to SP1 a few years ago.
Last week I looked it it again an applied SP2 which was only 35megs or so.

Upon reboot there were lot more, and after they were applied more still.
It took quite a few reboots to get them all installed.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:00:37 -0700, T > wrote:

>My prediction is that those with W7 will stay with it and those
>with Frankenstein (w8) will opt to upgrade to SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein,
>w10).

As far as I'm concerned you're absolutely right. I'm staying with W7
till they stop supporting it, then I'll take a look at the choices.

>I don't think SOF will make much of a dent in W7, but will wipe out
>Frankenstein.

Right again. W10 still isn't what I would like an operating system to
be, but it's a heck of a lot better than 8 or 8.1. I would advise
anybody lumbered with either 8 or 8.1 on a new computer to take the
free upgrade. I think many will.

Rod.

[philo]

On 03/19/2015 06:36 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:00:37 -0700, T > wrote:
>
>> My prediction is that those with W7 will stay with it and those
>> with Frankenstein (w8) will opt to upgrade to SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein,
>> w10).
>
> As far as I'm concerned you're absolutely right. I'm staying with W7
> till they stop supporting it, then I'll take a look at the choices.
>
>> I don't think SOF will make much of a dent in W7, but will wipe out
>> Frankenstein.
>
> Right again. W10 still isn't what I would like an operating system to
> be, but it's a heck of a lot better than 8 or 8.1. I would advise
> anybody lumbered with either 8 or 8.1 on a new computer to take the
> free upgrade. I think many will.
>
> Rod.
>





I just install Classic Shell on the Win8 machines and the owners are
fine with that.

[Dino]

philo wrote:
> On 03/19/2015 06:36 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:00:37 -0700, T > wrote:
>>
>>> My prediction is that those with W7 will stay with it and those
>>> with Frankenstein (w8) will opt to upgrade to SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein,
>>> w10).
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned you're absolutely right. I'm staying with W7
>> till they stop supporting it, then I'll take a look at the choices.
>>
>>> I don't think SOF will make much of a dent in W7, but will wipe out
>>> Frankenstein.
>>
>> Right again. W10 still isn't what I would like an operating system to
>> be, but it's a heck of a lot better than 8 or 8.1. I would advise
>> anybody lumbered with either 8 or 8.1 on a new computer to take the
>> free upgrade. I think many will.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> I just install Classic Shell on the Win8 machines and the owners are
> fine with that.
In My opinion win8-8.1 is a lot better if you have start8 than win 10
because you don't have to look at the tiles. Also I find that win 7
plays dish anywhere better than 8.1 or win 10. But I can see that
microsoft is abscessed with the tiles. They should have a setting to get
rid of tiles for business.

[Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:01:39 -0400, Dino > wrote:

> \ But I can see that microsoft is abscessed with the tiles.


A typo, I assume, but a *wonderful* one!

[T]

On 03/19/2015 04:48 PM, philo wrote:
> On 03/19/2015 06:36 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:00:37 -0700, T > wrote:
>>
>>> My prediction is that those with W7 will stay with it and those
>>> with Frankenstein (w8) will opt to upgrade to SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein,
>>> w10).
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned you're absolutely right. I'm staying with W7
>> till they stop supporting it, then I'll take a look at the choices.
>>
>>> I don't think SOF will make much of a dent in W7, but will wipe out
>>> Frankenstein.
>>
>> Right again. W10 still isn't what I would like an operating system to
>> be, but it's a heck of a lot better than 8 or 8.1. I would advise
>> anybody lumbered with either 8 or 8.1 on a new computer to take the
>> free upgrade. I think many will.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> I just install Classic Shell on the Win8 machines and the owners are
> fine with that.

1+

I add some of their favorite icons to their desktop as well.

[T]

On 03/19/2015 05:12 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:01:39 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>
>> \ But I can see that microsoft is abscessed with the tiles.
>
>
> A typo, I assume, but a *wonderful* one!
>

I didn't think it possible, but I think Ken just might
have a sense of humor!

[T]

On 03/19/2015 05:01 PM, Dino wrote:
> But I can see that microsoft is abscessed with the tiles. They should
> have a setting to get rid of tiles for business.

Hi Dino,

1+

And not just business users, anyone without a touch screen.

You will love Windows Red:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2606346/microsoft-windows/103804-temp.html

But M$ doesn't pay attention to anyone.

-T

[Ralph Fox]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 03:11:26 +0700, Chuck wrote:

> *Even For Pirated Copies*
>
> http://gizmodo.com/all-windows-10-upgrades-will-be-free-even-if-your-copy-1692096375


"If a device was considered non-genuine or mislicensed prior
to the upgrade, that device will continue to be considered
non-genuine or mislicensed after the upgrade."

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/the-windows-10-free-upgrade-for-pirates-more-confusing-than-it-seems/


--
Kind regards
Ralph

[Ralph Fox]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:01:39 -0400, Dino wrote:

> is abscessed with the tiles


You might see the tiles as pus filled cavities, but do not let them obsess you.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

[Slimer]

On 2015-03-19 8:12 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:01:39 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>
>> \ But I can see that microsoft is abscessed with the tiles.
>
>
> A typo, I assume, but a *wonderful* one!

Whether people like the tiles or not, I have to admit that they work
beautifully on the tablet and especially on the Windows Phone. There,
people can truly customize their experience in a way that Android and
iOS don't allow.

It might not work on the desktop, I get that, but it doesn't change the
fact that their attempt to try something different and, supposedly, more
secure (each application being sandboxed) should be commended.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:59:43 -0400, Slimer > wrote:

>Whether people like the tiles or not, I have to admit that they work
>beautifully on the tablet and especially on the Windows Phone. There,
>people can truly customize their experience in a way that Android and
>iOS don't allow.
>
>It might not work on the desktop, I get that, but it doesn't change the
>fact that their attempt to try something different and, supposedly, more
>secure (each application being sandboxed) should be commended.

They don't work beautifully at all on a desktop computer. It's
possible to resize the tiles, but choosing the small size makes the
labels disappear so you just have a lot of tiny icons with no labels
so you don't know what anything is.

What would work a lot better would be labels with very small icons or
no icons at all, as in a list, like the menus in every version of
Windows since Windows 95, and a few versions of Linux as well. Trying
something different is all very well, but in the case of software
offered to hundreds of millions of people already familiar with a
particular way of working, it needs to be optional. Should we commend
Microsoft for their failure to attempt to use what has been already
proven over several decades?

Rod.

[T]

On 03/20/2015 07:02 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:59:43 -0400, Slimer > wrote:
>
>> Whether people like the tiles or not, I have to admit that they work
>> beautifully on the tablet and especially on the Windows Phone. There,
>> people can truly customize their experience in a way that Android and
>> iOS don't allow.
>>
>> It might not work on the desktop, I get that, but it doesn't change the
>> fact that their attempt to try something different and, supposedly, more
>> secure (each application being sandboxed) should be commended.
>
> They don't work beautifully at all on a desktop computer. It's
> possible to resize the tiles, but choosing the small size makes the
> labels disappear so you just have a lot of tiny icons with no labels
> so you don't know what anything is.
>
> What would work a lot better would be labels with very small icons or
> no icons at all, as in a list, like the menus in every version of
> Windows since Windows 95, and a few versions of Linux as well. Trying
> something different is all very well, but in the case of software
> offered to hundreds of millions of people already familiar with a
> particular way of working, it needs to be optional. Should we commend
> Microsoft for their failure to attempt to use what has been already
> proven over several decades?
>
> Rod.
>

Hi Rod,

1+

And I think Ken was trying to crack a funny.

And they don't put all settings apps in Control Panel,
such as wuapp.exe (the update app) that you have to suffer
tiles to find.

It is like M$ wants to to know the tiles are still
there, just to advertise that they have done it.

-T

[Roderick Stewart]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:29:06 -0700, T > wrote:

[...]
>And they don't put all settings apps in Control Panel,
>such as wuapp.exe (the update app) that you have to suffer
>tiles to find.
>
>It is like M$ wants to to know the tiles are still
>there, just to advertise that they have done it.

It's almost as if they've dropped a monstrous clanger but will indulge
in any silly pretence rather than be seen to be backtracking and thus
admit they got it wrong.

Still, five more years till Windows 7 support runs out means they have
time to bring out a few more versions, perhaps eventually reinventing
the verbal menu in the hope they can convince us it's something new.

Rod.

[T]

On 03/21/2015 04:24 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:29:06 -0700, T > wrote:
>
> [...]
>> And they don't put all settings apps in Control Panel,
>> such as wuapp.exe (the update app) that you have to suffer
>> tiles to find.
>>
>> It is like M$ wants to to know the tiles are still
>> there, just to advertise that they have done it.
>
> It's almost as if they've dropped a monstrous clanger but will indulge
> in any silly pretence rather than be seen to be backtracking and thus
> admit they got it wrong.
>
> Still, five more years till Windows 7 support runs out means they have
> time to bring out a few more versions, perhaps eventually reinventing
> the verbal menu in the hope they can convince us it's something new.
>
> Rod.
>

Hi Rod,

Sadly, you make a good point

Maybe by then something will have changed on the
application front and other OS'es will be able
to give some competition.

-T

[Roderick Stewart]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 14:04:33 -0700, T > wrote:

>> [...]
>>> And they don't put all settings apps in Control Panel,
>>> such as wuapp.exe (the update app) that you have to suffer
>>> tiles to find.
>>>
>>> It is like M$ wants to to know the tiles are still
>>> there, just to advertise that they have done it.
>>
>> It's almost as if they've dropped a monstrous clanger but will indulge
>> in any silly pretence rather than be seen to be backtracking and thus
>> admit they got it wrong.
>>
>> Still, five more years till Windows 7 support runs out means they have
>> time to bring out a few more versions, perhaps eventually reinventing
>> the verbal menu in the hope they can convince us it's something new.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>
>Hi Rod,
>
>Sadly, you make a good point
>
>Maybe by then something will have changed on the
>application front and other OS'es will be able
>to give some competition.

On the basis of present performance, I'd almost be willing to put
money on which ones they're most likely to be...

Think of which ones are most stable and most ergonomic today, and
imagine them after about five more years of development.

Rod.