ISO comments from a Tech Net posting I made

[T]

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/b988921a-fad9-4b43-9b22-4cde0918b9d5/where-are-the-official-microsoft-isos-for-windows-10-preview?forum=WinPreview2014Setup


RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
download a particular file

No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.


RE : And I can't find 10049's ISO either (from Microsoft).

As of now, the only most current ISO available is for build 10041. Build
10049 ISO is not yet available.
When build 10049 is released from Slow ring, usually it is also the time
its ISO will be released.


RE: ESD file. How?

One cannot download an esd file of build 10049 from Windows Update.
You download and install the entire build 10049 via Windows Update. When
it is done, you can then find its Installed.esd file from RecoveryImage
folder and use it to manually create an ISO fie. You will need a
specific program to create an ISO from Esd.


You might ask " why do I need an ISO fie if the operating system is
already installed ?"
Some users are advocates of "clean install". They prefer clean install
over upgrade install. Clean install can be done by burning the ISO file
into a bootable DVD and use the DVD to install.
You can also use the same DVD and install in another compatible computer.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:03:43 -0700, T > wrote:

>You might ask " why do I need an ISO fie if the operating system is
>already installed ?"
>Some users are advocates of "clean install". They prefer clean install
>over upgrade install. Clean install can be done by burning the ISO file
>into a bootable DVD and use the DVD to install.
>You can also use the same DVD and install in another compatible computer.

It's comforting to know that if you ever need to do a complete
reinstall, you'll only need to install once without going through many
hours and many gigabytes of online updates afterwards.

Apart from this being tedious, many people don't have internet
connections fast enough to make an online update of 3GB or more a
feasible option.

Rod.

[Brian Gregory]

On 13/04/2015 10:47, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:03:43 -0700, T > wrote:
>
>> You might ask " why do I need an ISO fie if the operating system is
>> already installed ?"
>> Some users are advocates of "clean install". They prefer clean install
>> over upgrade install. Clean install can be done by burning the ISO file
>> into a bootable DVD and use the DVD to install.
>> You can also use the same DVD and install in another compatible computer.
>
> It's comforting to know that if you ever need to do a complete
> reinstall, you'll only need to install once without going through many
> hours and many gigabytes of online updates afterwards.
>
> Apart from this being tedious, many people don't have internet
> connections fast enough to make an online update of 3GB or more a
> feasible option.
>
> Rod.
>

Presumably once it's released these big full updates will be much less
frequent. And I would hope there will always be some means provided to
download once and use on many computers.

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

[Bill[_40_]]

In message >, T > writes
>RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
>download a particular file
>
>No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
>don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.

What is unclear about this is whether it just applies during the preview
period and to the preview updates, all of which is fine, or whether it
will apply to the final, officially released version.
I have been told on the preview forum that the release version would
enable opt outs, but if that didn't happen I think it would be a deal
breaker.
--
Bill

[Roderick Stewart]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:08:20 +0100, Brian Gregory
> wrote:

>>> You might ask " why do I need an ISO fie if the operating system is
>>> already installed ?"
>>> Some users are advocates of "clean install". They prefer clean install
>>> over upgrade install. Clean install can be done by burning the ISO file
>>> into a bootable DVD and use the DVD to install.
>>> You can also use the same DVD and install in another compatible computer.
>>
>> It's comforting to know that if you ever need to do a complete
>> reinstall, you'll only need to install once without going through many
>> hours and many gigabytes of online updates afterwards.
>>
>> Apart from this being tedious, many people don't have internet
>> connections fast enough to make an online update of 3GB or more a
>> feasible option.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>
>Presumably once it's released these big full updates will be much less
>frequent. And I would hope there will always be some means provided to
>download once and use on many computers.


I would hope so too, but I'm not optimistic.

Rod.

[T]

On 04/13/2015 09:20 AM, Bill wrote:
> In message >, T > writes
>> RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
>> download a particular file
>>
>> No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
>> don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.
>
> What is unclear about this is whether it just applies during the preview
> period and to the preview updates, all of which is fine, or whether it
> will apply to the final, officially released version.
> I have been told on the preview forum that the release version would
> enable opt outs, but if that didn't happen I think it would be a deal
> breaker.

Hi Bill,

My guess is that "Updates" and "Service Packs" will be handled in the
same manner as the Preview releases. Sort of like Frankenstein (w8)
"Update 1" and Frankenstein Service Pack 1 did. And with all the
same crashes and problems that Frankenstein had and we are having now
with Son-of-Frankenstein (w10) preview releases.

I asked M$ to stop with this practice, but M$ doesn't listen to
its customers or there would have never been a Frankenstein at all.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/WinPreview2014Feedback/thread/29a37b6b-98af-4a92-a154-88ac14d3fc29/

-T

[T]

On 04/13/2015 02:47 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:03:43 -0700, T > wrote:
>
>> You might ask " why do I need an ISO fie if the operating system is
>> already installed ?"
>> Some users are advocates of "clean install". They prefer clean install
>> over upgrade install. Clean install can be done by burning the ISO file
>> into a bootable DVD and use the DVD to install.
>> You can also use the same DVD and install in another compatible computer.
>
> It's comforting to know that if you ever need to do a complete
> reinstall, you'll only need to install once without going through many
> hours and many gigabytes of online updates afterwards.
>
> Apart from this being tedious, many people don't have internet
> connections fast enough to make an online update of 3GB or more a
> feasible option.
>
> Rod.
>

Hi Rod,

It also presumes that the update will go on correctly to start with.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-T

[Paul]

T wrote:
> On 04/13/2015 09:20 AM, Bill wrote:
>> In message >, T > writes
>>> RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
>>> download a particular file
>>>
>>> No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
>>> don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.
>>
>> What is unclear about this is whether it just applies during the preview
>> period and to the preview updates, all of which is fine, or whether it
>> will apply to the final, officially released version.
>> I have been told on the preview forum that the release version would
>> enable opt outs, but if that didn't happen I think it would be a deal
>> breaker.
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My guess is that "Updates" and "Service Packs" will be handled in the
> same manner as the Preview releases. Sort of like Frankenstein (w8)
> "Update 1" and Frankenstein Service Pack 1 did. And with all the
> same crashes and problems that Frankenstein had and we are having now
> with Son-of-Frankenstein (w10) preview releases.
>
> I asked M$ to stop with this practice, but M$ doesn't listen to
> its customers or there would have never been a Frankenstein at all.
>
> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/WinPreview2014Feedback/thread/29a37b6b-98af-4a92-a154-88ac14d3fc29/
>
>
> -T

The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.

If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.

*******

And I have a theory as to why they're doing it.

They're making it seem "normal" for the modem to run flat
out all the time. So when it comes time for your
personal content to be uploaded to the Cloud, this
will all seem natural. Sending you 3.5GB downloads,
is a way to make it seem "natural" for you to be
uploading 3.5GB of cat pictures to your Cloud disk drive.
Then paying $30 a month for "cat picture storage".

Paul

[T]

On 04/13/2015 09:45 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 04/13/2015 09:20 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> In message >, T > writes
>>>> RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
>>>> download a particular file
>>>>
>>>> No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
>>>> don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.
>>>
>>> What is unclear about this is whether it just applies during the preview
>>> period and to the preview updates, all of which is fine, or whether it
>>> will apply to the final, officially released version.
>>> I have been told on the preview forum that the release version would
>>> enable opt outs, but if that didn't happen I think it would be a deal
>>> breaker.
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> My guess is that "Updates" and "Service Packs" will be handled in the
>> same manner as the Preview releases. Sort of like Frankenstein (w8)
>> "Update 1" and Frankenstein Service Pack 1 did. And with all the
>> same crashes and problems that Frankenstein had and we are having now
>> with Son-of-Frankenstein (w10) preview releases.
>>
>> I asked M$ to stop with this practice, but M$ doesn't listen to
>> its customers or there would have never been a Frankenstein at all.
>>
>> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/WinPreview2014Feedback/thread/29a37b6b-98af-4a92-a154-88ac14d3fc29/
>>
>>
>> -T
>
> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>
> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>
> *******
>
> And I have a theory as to why they're doing it.
>
> They're making it seem "normal" for the modem to run flat
> out all the time. So when it comes time for your
> personal content to be uploaded to the Cloud, this
> will all seem natural. Sending you 3.5GB downloads,
> is a way to make it seem "natural" for you to be
> uploading 3.5GB of cat pictures to your Cloud disk drive.
> Then paying $30 a month for "cat picture storage".
>
> Paul

Hi Paul,

Interest idea. I vote for incompetence.

-T

[...winston‫]

Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 04/13/2015 09:20 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> In message >, T > writes
>>>> RE : Is there a way to manually go to Windows Updates and manually
>>>> download a particular file
>>>>
>>>> No. All updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. You
>>>> don't get to choose which to install and which to decline.
>>>
>>> What is unclear about this is whether it just applies during the preview
>>> period and to the preview updates, all of which is fine, or whether it
>>> will apply to the final, officially released version.
>>> I have been told on the preview forum that the release version would
>>> enable opt outs, but if that didn't happen I think it would be a deal
>>> breaker.
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> My guess is that "Updates" and "Service Packs" will be handled in the
>> same manner as the Preview releases. Sort of like Frankenstein (w8)
>> "Update 1" and Frankenstein Service Pack 1 did. And with all the
>> same crashes and problems that Frankenstein had and we are having now
>> with Son-of-Frankenstein (w10) preview releases.
>>
>> I asked M$ to stop with this practice, but M$ doesn't listen to
>> its customers or there would have never been a Frankenstein at all.
>>
>> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/WinPreview2014Feedback/thread/29a37b6b-98af-4a92-a154-88ac14d3fc29/
>>
>>
>> -T
>
> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>
> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>
> *******
>
> And I have a theory as to why they're doing it.
>
> They're making it seem "normal" for the modem to run flat
> out all the time. So when it comes time for your
> personal content to be uploaded to the Cloud, this
> will all seem natural. Sending you 3.5GB downloads,
> is a way to make it seem "natural" for you to be
> uploading 3.5GB of cat pictures to your Cloud disk drive.
> Then paying $30 a month for "cat picture storage".
>
>
An extra 100GB of OneDrive is $2 per month. More than sufficient for
those extra cat pics after one surpasses the free 15GB, and the free
10GB Loyalty for using it more than a year, and the free 15GB for
uploading your cat pics from/into the Camera Roll folder in your MSFT
account.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

[Roderick Stewart]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:

>The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>
>If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.

They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
forget that there's a real world outside.

Rod.

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 4/14/2015 4:33 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>
>> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>>
>> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>
> They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
> update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
> forget that there's a real world outside.
>
> Rod.
>


I wouldn't use this so called cloud even if gold nuggets fell from it.

Best Regards, Rene

[...winston‫]

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 4/14/2015 4:33 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>
>>> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>>> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>>>
>>> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>>
>> They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
>> update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
>> forget that there's a real world outside.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>
>
> I wouldn't use this so called cloud even if gold nuggets fell from it.
>
> Best Regards, Rene
>
If you installed 8.1 or 10TP, you already did. <g>


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 4/14/2015 1:54 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 4/14/2015 4:33 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>>>> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>>>>
>>>> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>>>
>>> They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
>>> update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
>>> forget that there's a real world outside.
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't use this so called cloud even if gold nuggets fell from it.
>>
>> Best Regards, Rene
>>
> If you installed 8.1 or 10TP, you already did. <g>
>
>


I disabled it...

Regards, Rene

[...winston‫]

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 4/14/2015 1:54 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2015 4:33 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>>>>> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>>>>
>>>> They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
>>>> update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
>>>> forget that there's a real world outside.
>>>>
>>>> Rod.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't use this so called cloud even if gold nuggets fell from it.
>>>
>>> Best Regards, Rene
>>>
>> If you installed 8.1 or 10TP, you already did. <g>
>>
>>
>
>
> I disabled it...
>
> Regards, Rene
>
That's like an AV removing a virus. Same sequence, disabling or removing
is after the fact, it already happened. Other features, while not on
one's personal (e.g. OneDrive) and handshaking and configuration
settings are stored on a provider's cloud. It's impossible to not
operate without connecting to some 'cloud' service.

If the internet connection is disabled, then you're about as cloud free
as possible. If not, you're using someone's cloud.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 4/14/2015 6:22 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 4/14/2015 1:54 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
>>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/2015 4:33 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:45:04 -0400, Paul > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The steady stream of 3.5GB updates, is no accident.
>>>>>> Someone at Microsoft, high up, has approved this approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was an issue for Microsoft, it would be fixed by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> They probably have quite a good network connection to the Microsoft
>>>>> update servers from within the Microsoft building. It must be easy to
>>>>> forget that there's a real world outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't use this so called cloud even if gold nuggets fell from it.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards, Rene
>>>>
>>> If you installed 8.1 or 10TP, you already did. <g>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I disabled it...
>>
>> Regards, Rene
>>
> That's like an AV removing a virus. Same sequence, disabling or removing
> is after the fact, it already happened. Other features, while not on
> one's personal (e.g. OneDrive) and handshaking and configuration
> settings are stored on a provider's cloud. It's impossible to not
> operate without connecting to some 'cloud' service.
>
> If the internet connection is disabled, then you're about as cloud free
> as possible. If not, you're using someone's cloud.
>

Not a hell of a lot I can do about that if I have no control over it!

Regards, Rene