Win 7 upgrade [Archive]

. . .winston

May 2nd 15, 07:50 PM

Dino wrote:
> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
> will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
> for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
> biggest concern with win 10
> Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Upgrading nullifies the prior o/s license.

Purchasing Win10 (full version media or download) at retail or MSFT
Store and subsequent use will not nullify the prior version.
- Win10 will be available in two forms (a) upgrade via Windows Update
(free for the first year, cost thereafter) or (b) full version media

Note: Windows 7 hardware needs to meet 8.1 Specs. Additional specs are
necessary to install 64 bit o/s on a 64 bit system (Win 7 or 8.0 did not
require the additional specs - 8.1 and later do)

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

. . .winston

May 2nd 15, 07:55 PM

Dino wrote:
> Ken1943 wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>>
>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>
>> It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
>> the Win 7 to 8 "update".
>> Our privacy was compromised long before 10.
>>
>>
>> KenW
> I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
> install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something similar?

Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
- upgrade free via Windows Update
- purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
(i.e. only full version)

Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
like Office 10 and later) is all full version.

Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
extra cost for the DVDs)

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Darklight

May 2nd 15, 08:43 PM

.. . .winston wrote:

> Dino wrote:
>> Ken1943 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>
>>> It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
>>> the Win 7 to 8 "update".
>>> Our privacy was compromised long before 10.
>>>
>>>
>>> KenW
>> I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
>> install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something
>> similar?
>
> Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
> - upgrade free via Windows Update
> - purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
> 3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
> (i.e. only full version)
>
> Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
> like Office 10 and later) is all full version.
>
> Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
> receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
> extra cost for the DVDs)
>

I done this with win 8.1. I upgraded win 8 to win 8.1 on my primary drive
via windows store. Then at a later date i downloaded the win 8.1 iso from
Microsoft web site. I installed win 8.1 in virtualbox and used my win 8 cd
key needless to say win 8.1 installed and worked.

I assume this will be the same with win 10 don't hold me to that.

I downloaded the win 8.1 ISO because i don't like where win 10 is going.
what they are trying to ship are poor imitations of what linux can do for
years wand want people to pay for it.

As for linux not having spyware, who know what lies beneath the hood!

Darklight

May 2nd 15, 08:44 PM

Dino

May 2nd 15, 09:20 PM

Darklight wrote:
> Dino wrote:
>
>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
>> will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
>> for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
>> biggest concern with win 10
>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>
> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you have
> not used linux before watch this.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>
> have fun.

I have used linux since 1998 started on Red Hat. Linux is on all my
machines. I think KDE sucks. I prefer Gnome over it on Fedora 21. I also
like Slackware with XFCE desktop but it is hard for some people to
configure and new releases don't happen to often. Linux is very stable
but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
hardware that makes me need windows.If they ever get that corrected I
would gladly go windows free. If windows is going where I think they are
with lock down subscription I will not use it anymore.I think windows 10
will end up like windows 8.1 because that is all win 10 is an updated
win8 with things added more stuff getting sent home to MS.

. . .winston

May 2nd 15, 09:21 PM

Darklight wrote:
> . . .winston wrote:
>
>> Dino wrote:
>>> Ken1943 wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>>
>>>> It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
>>>> the Win 7 to 8 "update".
>>>> Our privacy was compromised long before 10.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KenW
>>> I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
>>> install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something
>>> similar?
>>
>> Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
>> - upgrade free via Windows Update
>> - purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
>> 3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
>> (i.e. only full version)
>>
>> Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
>> like Office 10 and later) is all full version.
>>
>> Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
>> receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
>> extra cost for the DVDs)
>>
>
> I done this with win 8.1. I upgraded win 8 to win 8.1 on my primary drive
> via windows store. Then at a later date i downloaded the win 8.1 iso from
> Microsoft web site. I installed win 8.1 in virtualbox and used my win 8 cd
> key needless to say win 8.1 installed and worked.
>
> I assume this will be the same with win 10 don't hold me to that.
>
> I downloaded the win 8.1 ISO because i don't like where win 10 is going.
> what they are trying to ship are poor imitations of what linux can do for
> years wand want people to pay for it.
>
> As for linux not having spyware, who know what lies beneath the hood!
>

Where Win10 is going ? Where have you been for the last decade.

The seeds of Win10 were planted almost a dozen or more years ago. MSFT
has always had a willing fee based or free Microsoft Account population
(started with MSN in 1995) whether it be msn, passport.net, hotmail.com,
live.com, outlook.com.

The Msn/Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com population started out relatively small
but by prior to Hotmail being rolled into the company it was around 5-6
million by 2006 that MSFT account (Hotmail/Messenger user population)
was over 200 million, today it's around 0.5 Billion. Pretty impressive
growth over 20 yrs.

What happened in the last decade. Windows Live. First consumer free
local suite of applications with cloud integration. Even with usage in
the low millions it was more than sufficient to gather telemetry on
cloud usage via sharing (Photo-email and Messenger both stored content
on MSFT cloud eventually migrating to Microsoft Account user cloud storage).

Many folks will complain about the Windows Live (now Windows Essentials)
applications but with Mail, Messenger, Mesh, Photo Gallery all local and
cloud integrated more than sufficient statistical sampling data (95%
confidence, 5% or less error) for probability projections the seeds of
the future of Windows was obvious. Windows Live was never really about
application it was about collecting data on sharing and cloud storage.
That data proved to be golden for where Windows should/would go.

Throw in the smart devices (hand-helds) and it would seem quite obvious
that where Windows is going has nothing to do about the last 2
generations usage but the future disposable income of the youngest.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Big_Al[_4_]

May 2nd 15, 10:30 PM

Dino wrote on 5/2/2015 12:12 PM:
> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so
> I will have to just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of spyware but I wonder if that will do any
> good.Invasion of privicy is my biggest concern with win 10
> Linux might be looking better than it used to.

IIRC on day one when Windows 8.0 came out they gave you a windows key and then you downloaded and upgraded 7. I made
an image of windows 7 first and then upgraded. After that I shrunk the partition down and made room for the windows 7
image and loaded it onto the then allocated space. Fixed up the dual boot and had both systems running. Windows 7
still worked since my copy actually was not overwritten by that upgrade. I tossed windows 8 about 8 months afterwards
when I was confident I could live on 8. Actually 7 is still running in my VM.

Not sure if Win 10 is going to do the same thing or not, but you can bet your retirement I'm going to image my Windows
8.1 before the upgrade!!

Michael Logies

May 2nd 15, 11:16 PM

On Sat, 02 May 2015 16:20:51 -0400, Dino > wrote:

>Linux is very stable
>but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
>hardware that makes me need windows.

I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
to become good on Linux.

Our girls (6 and 8 years old) are happy with their HP Slatebook 14
(320 USD @ amazon.com), a kind of light and thin notebook with a
touchscreen, running Android (and Android`s foundation is Linux).
Great for watching 1:1 copied DVDs from external Micro-SD-Card with
Wondershare Player during travelling (copied with AnyDVD on Windows)
or Youtube or some light games or surfing with Firefox (including
Adblock Plus). Would be good enough for serious work with Google Apps
(but they don`t use them yet).
(Before the Slatebook I bought them a cheap 22" All-in-one with
Windows 8.1, but they never liked it. Too complicated, too slow when
booting, frequent updates stopping them from using the machine during
the update process.)

Perhaps Windows 10 will be interesting (but I always wait about 1 year
after release before trying a new version of Windows). But the
strategy of Microsoft is obvious now (Continuum).

So for me the more interesting question is, how Google will react.
Blurring the line between mobile and desktop with Continuum, Microsoft
becomes a real contender again.

Android is already a OS good enough for many desktops, as I know from
the Slatebook. And all Android-Apps may run on Chromebooks now, too:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2903728/googles-android-runtime-for-chrome-to-bring-native-android-apps-to-chromebooks.html
Google's App Runtime for Chrome to bring native Android apps to
Chromebooks

So interesting times for personal and mobile computing... soon more
choices than ever.

M.

May 3rd 15, 09:40 AM

On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
> purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
> party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
> only full version)

Hi Winston,

Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
upgrade Widows 7?

-T

May 3rd 15, 09:48 AM

On 05/02/2015 01:20 PM, Dino wrote:
>>
>
> I have used linux since 1998 started on Red Hat. Linux is on all my
> machines. I think KDE sucks.

Hi Dino,

1+. Instable as all hell too.

> I prefer Gnome over it on Fedora 21. I also
> like Slackware with XFCE desktop but it is hard for some people to
> configure and new releases don't happen to often. Linux is very stable
> but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
> hardware that makes me need windows.If they ever get that corrected I
> would gladly go windows free.

The old Catch 22: developers won't develop for Linux because of Linux's
small install base; users won't switch to Linux because of the lack
of apps.

> If windows is going where I think they are
> with lock down subscription I will not use it anymore.I think windows 10
> will end up like windows 8.1 because that is all win 10 is an updated
> win8 with things added more stuff getting sent home to MS.

8, 8.1, 10: all the same animal. All have dissimilar and inappropriate
technologies stitched together. And hence, all get the nickname of
Frankenstein. The only benefit I see to 10 will be that it might
be more stable. HA HA. We will see.

-T

May 3rd 15, 09:51 AM

On 05/02/2015 03:16 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
> I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
> versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
> to become good on Linux.

I set up Xfce such that it looks exactly like XP. Put their
favorite App icons on their desktop. They virtually can't
tell it apart from XP, except that it doesn't crash.

May 3rd 15, 09:55 AM

On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
> Dino wrote:
>
>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
>> will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
>> for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
>> biggest concern with win 10
>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>
> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you have
> not used linux before watch this.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>
> have fun.
>

Hi Darklight,

Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
would be a faint memory in the ether.

-T

Michael Logies

May 3rd 15, 11:15 AM

On Sun, 03 May 2015 01:48:13 -0700, T > wrote:

>The old Catch 22: developers won't develop for Linux because of Linux's
>small install base; users won't switch to Linux because of the lack
>of apps.

We are already offtopic, but...
I`m using a virtualized Fedora (running on Win 7 as a host) as a
terminal server (xrdp) for safe and separate internet access for my 4
employees, because we are still on a virtualized XP for most of our
work (dental office). The problem is, that updating Fedora usually
will break one or another software or configuration. So I freezed
Fedora (and it may have become unsecure already, but it would be too
time consuming to fix that).

So Linux has more problems than not enough programs: Too many
distributions, all varying more or less, making it impossible to get a
stable user experience over several Linuxes. I think it is called an
"unstable API" what makes running old linux programs on updated linux
desktops often impossible. Linux is extremely fragmented, and that has
not changed to the better the last 15 years I`m touching Linux from
time to time.

For me only Google made a polished product out of Linux, called
Android.

>8, 8.1, 10: all the same animal. All have dissimilar and inappropriate
>technologies stitched together.

May be. I still use XP most of the time, followed by 7, and try to
avoid 8.1.

But if Windows 10 should offer a good, consistent, almost identical
user experience from the desktop to tablets to mobile phones, it could
beat Apple, still fragmented into iOS and OSX. And Microsoft has not
to protect hardware sales like Apple. It can offer a mobile phone,
doubling as a desktop at home with Continuum (as could Google with
Android). Ubuntu could have been the leader here, but failed:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Canonical-and-the-failure-of-the-Ubuntu-Edge_id46626
Canonical and the failure of the Ubuntu Edge
Posted: 22 Aug 2013, 02:04, by Maxwell R.

So Microsoft has bold ambitions for Windows 10. In a year or so we
will know, whether they could deliver what is promised now.

Regards

M.

Slimer

May 3rd 15, 08:45 PM

On 2015-05-03 4:51 AM, T wrote:
> On 05/02/2015 03:16 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
>> I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
>> versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
>> to become good on Linux.
>
> I set up Xfce such that it looks exactly like XP. Put their
> favorite App icons on their desktop. They virtually can't
> tell it apart from XP, except that it doesn't crash.

Linux is very good at imitating superior products.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

. . .winston

May 4th 15, 11:05 AM

T wrote:
> On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
>> purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
>> party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
>> only full version)
>
> Hi Winston,
>
> Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
> upgrade Widows 7?
>
> -T

Windows 8.1 did. It would seem logical to provide that option.
It's important to understand the process for going from Win7 to Win10
when using media (all media is full version)

Just like Win7 to 8.1 media based upgrages - no settings, no installed
programs, just personal files (i.e. data only retained)

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Darklight

May 4th 15, 11:37 AM

T wrote:

> On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
>> Dino wrote:
>>
>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
>>> will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
>>> for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
>>> biggest concern with win 10
>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>
>> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you
>> have not used linux before watch this.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>>
>> have fun.
>>
>
> Hi Darklight,
>
> Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
> If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
> would be a faint memory in the ether.
>
> -T

What apps are you looking for. And i can tell you if there are such
apps available i run both os win8.1 and linux.

Darklight

May 4th 15, 11:52 AM

.. . .winston wrote:

> Darklight wrote:
>> . . .winston wrote:
>>
>>> Dino wrote:
>>>> Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>>>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>>>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>>>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just
>>>>> like the Win 7 to 8 "update".
>>>>> Our privacy was compromised long before 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KenW
>>>> I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
>>>> install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something
>>>> similar?
>>>
>>> Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
>>> - upgrade free via Windows Update
>>> - purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
>>> 3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
>>> (i.e. only full version)
>>>
>>> Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
>>> like Office 10 and later) is all full version.
>>>
>>> Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
>>> receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
>>> extra cost for the DVDs)
>>>
>>
>> I done this with win 8.1. I upgraded win 8 to win 8.1 on my primary drive
>> via windows store. Then at a later date i downloaded the win 8.1 iso from
>> Microsoft web site. I installed win 8.1 in virtualbox and used my win 8
>> cd key needless to say win 8.1 installed and worked.
>>
>> I assume this will be the same with win 10 don't hold me to that.
>>
>> I downloaded the win 8.1 ISO because i don't like where win 10 is going.
>> what they are trying to ship are poor imitations of what linux can do for
>> years wand want people to pay for it.
>>
>> As for linux not having spyware, who know what lies beneath the hood!
>>
>
> Where Win10 is going ? Where have you been for the last decade.
>
> The seeds of Win10 were planted almost a dozen or more years ago. MSFT
> has always had a willing fee based or free Microsoft Account population
> (started with MSN in 1995) whether it be msn, passport.net, hotmail.com,
> live.com, outlook.com.
>
> The Msn/Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com population started out relatively small
> but by prior to Hotmail being rolled into the company it was around 5-6
> million by 2006 that MSFT account (Hotmail/Messenger user population)
> was over 200 million, today it's around 0.5 Billion. Pretty impressive
> growth over 20 yrs.
>
> What happened in the last decade. Windows Live. First consumer free
> local suite of applications with cloud integration. Even with usage in
> the low millions it was more than sufficient to gather telemetry on
> cloud usage via sharing (Photo-email and Messenger both stored content
> on MSFT cloud eventually migrating to Microsoft Account user cloud
> storage).
>
> Many folks will complain about the Windows Live (now Windows Essentials)
> applications but with Mail, Messenger, Mesh, Photo Gallery all local and
> cloud integrated more than sufficient statistical sampling data (95%
> confidence, 5% or less error) for probability projections the seeds of
> the future of Windows was obvious. Windows Live was never really about
> application it was about collecting data on sharing and cloud storage.
> That data proved to be golden for where Windows should/would go.
>
> Throw in the smart devices (hand-helds) and it would seem quite obvious
> that where Windows is going has nothing to do about the last 2
> generations usage but the future disposable income of the youngest.
>
>
>
You think windows is locked down. it's getting worse. I like to have a
degree of control. Windows 10 is taking that away. IE windows update
there is no option in windows 10. To choose between auto and manual update.

And there is talk of taking away control panel.

As for the start menu. that's a joke. there are no options to choose
what start menu you want to use. How hard can it be to give a person
the choice between a standard menu, metro interface and windows 10
incarnation or a start menu.

Windows says we give you what we want and you will pay for it.

How many people do you think are going to use multiple desktops.

And windows 10 multiple desktop is just crap.

I have multiple desktop setup on my linux OS. And it makes windows 10
multi desktop look like crap and they want people to pay for it.

I mean what was wrong with windows 8. All they had to do was give people a
choice of start menu's and people would not have complained.

And they still can't do that.

May 5th 15, 01:50 AM

On 05/03/2015 03:15 AM, Michael Logies wrote:
> problem is, that updating Fedora usually
> will break one or another software or configuration.

Hi Michael,

I have never seen that. Well, sometimes nVidia and X11
don't like each other.

What problems exactly were you seeing? I might be
able to help.

-T

I love "xrdp"!

May 5th 15, 01:55 AM

On 05/04/2015 03:37 AM, Darklight wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
>>> Dino wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
>>>> will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
>>>> for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
>>>> biggest concern with win 10
>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>
>>> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you
>>> have not used linux before watch this.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>>>
>>> have fun.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Darklight,
>>
>> Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
>> If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
>> would be a faint memory in the ether.
>>
>> -T
>
> What apps are you looking for. And i can tell you if there are such
> apps available i run both os win8.1 and linux.
>

Hi Darklight,

I am down to only having to run virtual XP to run
Go To Assist.

Things that usually trip up my customers are:

Quickbooks, especially payroll
Quicken
M$ Office (I know, Libre Office is just as good)
Adobe this, that, and the other thing
Tax software
Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
Idiot Web apps written only for IE
Ancestry software

-T

On the bright side Qoppa's PDF Studio (Mac, Linux, and Windows)
is awesome.

May 5th 15, 02:02 AM

On 05/02/2015 03:16 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 16:20:51 -0400, Dino > wrote:
>
>> Linux is very stable
>> but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
>> hardware that makes me need windows.
>
> I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
> versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
> to become good on Linux.

Hi Michael,

You just have some guy like me set it up for you. I can make it look
almost identical to XP or W7. You just click on your desktop icons
the same way you do in Windows. Linux is really easy to use. I
think you are remember about 10 years ago when it was difficult to use.

-T

May 5th 15, 03:32 AM

On 05/03/2015 03:15 AM, Michael Logies wrote:
> So Linux has more problems than not enough programs: Too many
> distributions, all varying more or less, making it impossible to get a
> stable user experience over several Linuxes.

Hi Michael,

There are really only two distros of Linux: Ubuntu and Fedora.
And you will be very hard pressed not to find things that easily run
on both.

The 600 variants is just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).

> I think it is called an
> "unstable API" what makes running old linux programs on updated linux
> desktops often impossible. Linux is extremely fragmented, and that has
> not changed to the better the last 15 years I`m touching Linux from
> time to time.

Huh. What are you trying to run? Maybe I can give you some tips.

-T

Darklight

May 5th 15, 10:17 AM

T wrote:

> On 05/04/2015 03:37 AM, Darklight wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
>>>> Dino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>>
>>>> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you
>>>> have not used linux before watch this.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>>>>
>>>> have fun.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Darklight,
>>>
>>> Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
>>> If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
>>> would be a faint memory in the ether.
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> What apps are you looking for. And i can tell you if there are such
>> apps available i run both os win8.1 and linux.
>>
>
>
> Hi Darklight,
>
> I am down to only having to run virtual XP to run
> Go To Assist.
>
> Things that usually trip up my customers are:
>
> Quickbooks, especially payroll
Paythyme
http://www.paythyme.org.uk/
> Quicken
GnuCash
http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-gnucash-choosing-a-linux-financial-management-application/
> M$ Office (I know, Libre Office is just as good)
crossover will allow you to install ms office
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/
I find openoffice does a better job than libreoffice.
i have ms office, libreoffice and openoffice installed on my pc
i have used openoffice to create pdf files.
> Adobe this, that, and the other thing
if you use adobe for pdf files there is Okular
> Tax software
> Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
> Idiot Web apps written only for IE
> Ancestry software
And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to find
an alternative.
>
> -T
>
> On the bright side Qoppa's PDF Studio (Mac, Linux, and Windows)
> is awesome.
I hope the above helps

Darklight

May 5th 15, 10:20 AM

T wrote:

> On 05/03/2015 03:15 AM, Michael Logies wrote:
>> So Linux has more problems than not enough programs: Too many
>> distributions, all varying more or less, making it impossible to get a
>> stable user experience over several Linuxes.
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> There are really only two distros of Linux: Ubuntu and Fedora.
> And you will be very hard pressed not to find things that easily run
> on both.

I have to interject here you forgot opensuse. I have tried quiet a few linux
distro's and opensuse is the most polished and user friendly.
>
> The 600 variants is just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).
>
>
>> I think it is called an
>> "unstable API" what makes running old linux programs on updated linux
>> desktops often impossible. Linux is extremely fragmented, and that has
>> not changed to the better the last 15 years I`m touching Linux from
>> time to time.
>
> Huh. What are you trying to run? Maybe I can give you some tips.
>
> -T

Maurice

May 5th 15, 06:18 PM

On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:20:08 +0100, Darklight wrote:

> you forgot opensuse

- and Mageia (though SuSe was my first Linux).

(Mageia-5 is imminent)

--
/\/\aurice
(Retired in Surrey, UK) Registered Linux User #487649
Linux 64-bit Mageia-4: Pan (newsreader) 0.139
KDE 4.12.5 Virtualbox 4.3.26 Firefox 31.5.3 KMail 4.12.5

Michael Logies

May 5th 15, 09:36 PM

On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:17:29 +0100, Darklight
> wrote:

>> Things that usually trip up my customers are:
(...)
>> Quicken
>GnuCash
>http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-gnucash-choosing-a-linux-financial-management-application/

>> Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
(...)
>And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to find
>an alternative.

Darklight,

how old are you, 20? ;-)
I`m almost 50 and using PCs since 30 years. And the last 15 years I
was reading Linux advocates like you from time to time...

No, GnuCash cannot replace Quicken as far as I`m concerned, needing
reports, graphics, electronic banking. In germany Moneyplex (Linux,
Windows, Mac) would be the obvious alternative:
http://www.matrica.de/produkte/produktmpx1.html
But even this would mean that I had to import too many data (20 years
of bank accounts and stocks - impossible). The last 15 years of my
career I will stick with Quicken, I hope.

A dental office software is about 5000 USD and thousands of dollar
worth in invested time (training and customizations). And there is
simply no dental program for Linux as good as my dental software on
Windows.

I`m a more or less happy windows user. The ROI during the last 20
years was very good, because I never had to buy a Windows Server but
could use peer to peer networking with Windows Professional, a Linux
NAS and a lot of cheap/free third party software (Openoffice, PagePlus
for DTP, Irfanview, Picasa, Thunderbird, Firefox/Zotero, Total
Commander. My Microsoft Office is from 2002 and still sufficient in my
virtualized Windows XP terminal server (www.thinsoftinc.com)).

I don`t need an accountant because of Quicken and don`t need a tax
advisor because of some Windows software. Only in 2014 the first of
the four leading german tax programs for endusers became available for
Linux:
http://www.steuertipps.de/steuererklaerung-finanzamt/themen/steuererklaerung-mit-linux-ja-klar-aber-nur-mit-uns

To make it short: Linux cannot replace Windows completely today and
will not in the foreseeable future, at least not for the Windows Power
User and many Small Businesses (my focus). But for day to day tasks
for many people something like Linux Mint may be already sufficient.
Linux Mint is No. 1 at Distrowatch:
http://distrowatch.com/index.php?language=DE

China and Russia have declared that they don`t want to use any
products from Microsoft any more because of the NSA scandal (it`s
linux instead). Other countries may follow. Mobiles dominate the
personal computing markets in many countries today and in the future.
Microsoft knows all that and tries to innovate with Windows 10 for a
continous user experience from mobile to desktop to the cloud, hence
"Continuum". And that makes Windows 10 the most interesting product
for me since XP. (But in the moment we cannot test this because the
mobile devices for Continuum are not available, yet.).

Regards

M.

May 5th 15, 10:26 PM

On 05/05/2015 02:20 AM, Darklight wrote:
> I have to interject here you forgot opensuse. I have tried quiet a few linux
> distro's and opensuse is the most polished and user friendly.
>> >

Hi Darklight,

Sort of like RHEL without being so terribly out of date.
And I am sure we missed a few others too.

What always amazes me is that when presented with
choices that are all compatible with each other,
folks make the 600 distro remark.

All the software I use will work on all the available
platforms, unless I start trying to hack into mobile Linux,
etc..

Choice is a good thing. One size fits all, not so good.

-T

May 5th 15, 10:26 PM

On 05/05/2015 10:18 AM, Maurice wrote:
> On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:20:08 +0100, Darklight wrote:
>
>> you forgot opensuse
>
> - and Mageia (though SuSe was my first Linux).
>
> (Mageia-5 is imminent)
>

And all of your software will run on Suse, Fedora,
Ubuntu, ...

Choice is a good thing.

May 5th 15, 10:28 PM

On 05/05/2015 02:17 AM, Darklight wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> On 05/04/2015 03:37 AM, Darklight wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
>>>>> Dino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
>>>>>> MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
>>>>>> just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
>>>>>> While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
>>>>>> spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
>>>>>> my biggest concern with win 10
>>>>>> Linux might be looking better than it used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you
>>>>> have not used linux before watch this.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU
>>>>>
>>>>> have fun.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Darklight,
>>>>
>>>> Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
>>>> If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
>>>> would be a faint memory in the ether.
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> What apps are you looking for. And i can tell you if there are such
>>> apps available i run both os win8.1 and linux.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Darklight,
>>
>> I am down to only having to run virtual XP to run
>> Go To Assist.
>>
>> Things that usually trip up my customers are:
>>
>> Quickbooks, especially payroll
> Paythyme
> http://www.paythyme.org.uk/
>> Quicken
> GnuCash
> http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-gnucash-choosing-a-linux-financial-management-application/
>> M$ Office (I know, Libre Office is just as good)
> crossover will allow you to install ms office
> https://www.codeweavers.com/products/
> I find openoffice does a better job than libreoffice.
> i have ms office, libreoffice and openoffice installed on my pc
> i have used openoffice to create pdf files.
>> Adobe this, that, and the other thing
> if you use adobe for pdf files there is Okular
>> Tax software
>> Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
>> Idiot Web apps written only for IE
>> Ancestry software
> And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to find
> an alternative.
>>
>> -T
>>
>> On the bright side Qoppa's PDF Studio (Mac, Linux, and Windows)
>> is awesome.
> I hope the above helps
>

Hi Darklight,

All true. But it doesn't work on the "I can't learn
anything new" crowd. And to a certain point, they
have invented in learning a particular piece of
software, the don't feel like doing it again. It can
be frustrating at times.

-T

Brian Gregory

May 5th 15, 11:51 PM

On 04/05/2015 11:05, . . .winston wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
>>> purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
>>> party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
>>> only full version)
>>
>> Hi Winston,
>>
>> Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
>> upgrade Widows 7?
>>
>> -T
>
> Windows 8.1 did. It would seem logical to provide that option.
> It's important to understand the process for going from Win7 to Win10
> when using media (all media is full version)
>
> Just like Win7 to 8.1 media based upgrages - no settings, no installed
> programs, just personal files (i.e. data only retained)
>

Just the stuff it's trivially easy to backup and copy back after a clean
install then.

Why did they bother???

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

May 6th 15, 12:34 AM

On 05/05/2015 03:51 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 04/05/2015 11:05, . . .winston wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
>>>> purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
>>>> party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
>>>> only full version)
>>>
>>> Hi Winston,
>>>
>>> Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
>>> upgrade Widows 7?
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> Windows 8.1 did. It would seem logical to provide that option.
>> It's important to understand the process for going from Win7 to Win10
>> when using media (all media is full version)
>>
>> Just like Win7 to 8.1 media based upgrages - no settings, no installed
>> programs, just personal files (i.e. data only retained)
>>
>
> Just the stuff it's trivially easy to backup and copy back after a clean
> install then.
>
> Why did they bother???
>

Bummer.

Vista to w7 got all the programs and stuff.

Darklight

May 6th 15, 11:33 AM

Michael Logies wrote:

> On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:17:29 +0100, Darklight
> > wrote:
>
>>> Things that usually trip up my customers are:
> (...)
>>> Quicken
>>GnuCash
>>http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-gnucash-choosing-a-linux-financial-management-application/
>
>>> Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
> (...)
>>And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to
>>find an alternative.
>
> Darklight,
>
> how old are you, 20? ;-)
> I`m almost 50 and using PCs since 30 years. And the last 15 years I
> was reading Linux advocates like you from time to time...
>
> No, GnuCash cannot replace Quicken as far as I`m concerned, needing
> reports, graphics, electronic banking. In germany Moneyplex (Linux,
> Windows, Mac) would be the obvious alternative:
> http://www.matrica.de/produkte/produktmpx1.html
> But even this would mean that I had to import too many data (20 years
> of bank accounts and stocks - impossible). The last 15 years of my
> career I will stick with Quicken, I hope.
>
> A dental office software is about 5000 USD and thousands of dollar
> worth in invested time (training and customizations). And there is
> simply no dental program for Linux as good as my dental software on
> Windows.
>
> I`m a more or less happy windows user. The ROI during the last 20
> years was very good, because I never had to buy a Windows Server but
> could use peer to peer networking with Windows Professional, a Linux
> NAS and a lot of cheap/free third party software (Openoffice, PagePlus
> for DTP, Irfanview, Picasa, Thunderbird, Firefox/Zotero, Total
> Commander. My Microsoft Office is from 2002 and still sufficient in my
> virtualized Windows XP terminal server (www.thinsoftinc.com)).
>
> I don`t need an accountant because of Quicken and don`t need a tax
> advisor because of some Windows software. Only in 2014 the first of
> the four leading german tax programs for endusers became available for
> Linux:
> http://www.steuertipps.de/steuererklaerung-finanzamt/themen/steuererklaerung-mit-linux-ja-klar-aber-nur-mit-uns
>
> To make it short: Linux cannot replace Windows completely today and
> will not in the foreseeable future, at least not for the Windows Power
> User and many Small Businesses (my focus). But for day to day tasks
> for many people something like Linux Mint may be already sufficient.
> Linux Mint is No. 1 at Distrowatch:
> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?language=DE
>
> China and Russia have declared that they don`t want to use any
> products from Microsoft any more because of the NSA scandal (it`s
> linux instead). Other countries may follow. Mobiles dominate the
> personal computing markets in many countries today and in the future.
> Microsoft knows all that and tries to innovate with Windows 10 for a
> continous user experience from mobile to desktop to the cloud, hence
> "Continuum". And that makes Windows 10 the most interesting product
> for me since XP. (But in the moment we cannot test this because the
> mobile devices for Continuum are not available, yet.).
>
> Regards
>
> M.

Listen T only asked a question and i just tried to help. Yes there are more
programs written for windows. Yes windows has more programs and yes better
programs for now. If linux hit the seen first it would be like windows is
now viruses and all. I never said the programs i suggested were better but
just an alternative. Windows has it advantages over linux and visor versa. I
use both I don't have a problem.

I am not a linux advocate If i was i would not be here and even testing
windows 10. I run windows 8.1 dual booted with linux and i don't have a
problem with it. I was even called a windows 8 advocate not long ago.

This is now off topic but directed at you.
As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
windows 10?

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of what
has been around in linux for years. And they want to palm it off as if they
created it.

The problems i have with windows 10 are:
The talk of them removing control panel The replacement i don't like
not being able to choose between auto and manual update
no option to choose what start menu you have IE standard menu, metro
interface or the new win 10 start menu.

And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?

Apart from that i see nothing wrong with it.

Michael Logies

May 6th 15, 04:20 PM

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
> wrote:

>As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
>windows 10?

Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

>You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of what
>has been around in linux for years.

No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-announces-continuum-turning-windows-10-phones-into-desktops/
Microsoft Announces Continuum, Turning Windows 10 Phones Into Desktops
Posted Apr 29, 2015 by Kyle Russell (@kylebrussell)

>And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?

I don`t have time for beta testing and would so only in a VM.

Regards

M.

May 6th 15, 09:25 PM

On 05/05/2015 01:36 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
> how old are you, 20?;-)
> I`m almost 50 and using PCs since 30 years. And the last 15 years I
> was reading Linux advocates like you from time to time...

Hi Michael,

This is not a debating club as to which OS is better.
This is folks trying to help folks. Darklight
tried to help me: that is to be honored, not debated.

-T

Darklight

May 7th 15, 09:34 AM

Michael Logies wrote:

> On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
> > wrote:
>
>>As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
>>windows 10?
>
> Darklight,
>
> as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
> should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
> or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
> smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.
>
>>You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
>>what has been around in linux for years.
>
> No, I don`t think so:
> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-announces-continuum-turning-windows-10-phones-into-desktops/

Raspberry pi comes to mind here. I am not having a pop at you let me make
this clear. I am having a pop and windows. if they used standard windows
code they could not do this. It is Linux or unix under the hood.

I will give them this they are in the best place to push this thou.

I always wondered why they brought into opensuse now i think i know why!

> Microsoft Announces Continuum, Turning Windows 10 Phones Into Desktops
> Posted Apr 29, 2015 by Kyle Russell (@kylebrussell)
>
>>And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?
>
> I don`t have time for beta testing and would so only in a VM.
>
> Regards
>
> M.

Paul

May 7th 15, 10:53 AM

Darklight wrote:
> Michael Logies wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
>>> windows 10?
>> Darklight,
>>
>> as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
>> should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
>> or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
>> smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.
>>
>>> You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
>>> what has been around in linux for years.
>> No, I don`t think so:
>> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-announces-continuum-turning-windows-10-phones-into-desktops/
>
> Raspberry pi comes to mind here.

I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
and no wires trailing all over your desktop.

Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
you would for a low end piece of kit.

This is what you do with a PI.

(CNC Controller)
http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/

(Raspberry PI Robot)
http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lu_132_00.jpg

Paul

Darklight

May 10th 15, 12:24 PM

Paul wrote:

> Darklight wrote:
>> Michael Logies wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far
>>>> of windows 10?
>>> Darklight,
>>>
>>> as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
>>> should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
>>> or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
>>> smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.
>>>
>>>> You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
>>>> what has been around in linux for years.
>>> No, I don`t think so:
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-announces-continuum-turning-windows-10-phones-into-desktops/
>>
>> Raspberry pi comes to mind here.
>
> I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
> when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
> and no wires trailing all over your desktop.
>
> Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
> system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
> a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
> People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
> mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
> as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
> you would for a low end piece of kit.
>
> This is what you do with a PI.
>
> (CNC Controller)
> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/
>
> (Raspberry PI Robot)
> http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lu_132_00.jpg
>
> Paul

you obviously don't understand what i am saying.

Question: do you think you could install windows 7 or a variant of windows 7
on a mobile phone and it be usable?
Question what is the difference in install size of windows vs linux?
Why did i use rpi you could say it is a cheap mobile device. that's why i
used it. I can easily be wrong on this.

Just for fun look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FwJT60fTxI

I am sure there are other clips to counter this.

Paul

May 10th 15, 01:16 PM

Darklight wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>
>> Darklight wrote:
>>> Michael Logies wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far
>>>>> of windows 10?
>>>> Darklight,
>>>>
>>>> as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
>>>> should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
>>>> or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
>>>> smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.
>>>>
>>>>> You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
>>>>> what has been around in linux for years.
>>>> No, I don`t think so:
>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-announces-continuum-turning-windows-10-phones-into-desktops/
>>> Raspberry pi comes to mind here.
>> I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
>> when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
>> and no wires trailing all over your desktop.
>>
>> Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
>> system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
>> a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
>> People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
>> mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
>> as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
>> you would for a low end piece of kit.
>>
>> This is what you do with a PI.
>>
>> (CNC Controller)
>> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/
>>
>> (Raspberry PI Robot)
>> http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lu_132_00.jpg
>>
>> Paul
>
> you obviously don't understand what i am saying.
>
> Question: do you think you could install windows 7 or a variant of windows 7
> on a mobile phone and it be usable?
> Question what is the difference in install size of windows vs linux?
> Why did i use rpi you could say it is a cheap mobile device. that's why i
> used it. I can easily be wrong on this.
>
> Just for fun look at this
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FwJT60fTxI
>
> I am sure there are other clips to counter this.

Microsoft has also negotiated installation of
Windows 10 on a Xiaomi Android device. The difference
is, at least it's a finished good, and perfect for
this kind of OS (lockin no matter what OS it runs).

http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/microsoft-android-rom/

Whereas people assembling RPi, some of the packages
already exist, are ready to go. Converting the whole
ecosystem, seems rather pointless when RPi is a hacker
environment. That's the selling point. Who would
want to use Visual Studio to write software for an
RPi ? I wouldn't, having some experience with Visual
Studio and what a PITA is it. If you want
a Windows tablet, they're only $100, no fuss, no
muss, no "ROMs". But with the tablet, no GPIO, no
shields, no connection to H-bridge motor drives,
no robots driving around your room.

Paul