Again, good install of win10

[Rene Lamontagne]

Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
went as smoothly as it did on mine.
These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
graphics .cards
I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much trouble!
Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
nimble :-))

Best regards, Rene

[Dave Cohen[_3_]]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:06:44 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
> graphics .cards I don't understand why so many people on this NG are
> having so much trouble!
> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
> nimble :-))
>
> Best regards, Rene

Glad you managed that, but successfully installing a piece of software on
a machine is hardly a cause for celebration, we do it all the time.
The real question is what do you have once you've done the install.
Personally I am not making the upgrade, windows 7 professional works just
fine although I'm spending most of my time in linux mint on a dual boot
machine.

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 8/19/2015 9:17 PM, Dave Cohen wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:06:44 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
>> graphics .cards I don't understand why so many people on this NG are
>> having so much trouble!
>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>> nimble :-))
>>
>> Best regards, Rene
>
> Glad you managed that, but successfully installing a piece of software on
> a machine is hardly a cause for celebration, we do it all the time.
> The real question is what do you have once you've done the install.
> Personally I am not making the upgrade, windows 7 professional works just
> fine although I'm spending most of my time in linux mint on a dual boot
> machine.
>

No, not celebrating, just making a point that why are people having such
a problem with essentially a simple task. Nothing wrong with win7 but
Linux for me is a no go.

Regards, Rene

[Keith Nuttle]

On 8/19/2015 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
> graphics .cards
> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
> trouble!
> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
> nimble :-))
>
> Best regards, Rene
My install of Windows 10 went well also, and ran well for about 10 days,
then everything went out the window. Opening programs froze the
system to the point where the only way out was a hard hold the on button
restart

While MS advertise you can roll back to the previous OS, when I rolled
back it rolled back to the OEM OS Windows 8. So after spending about
three days trouble shooting the Windows 10 problem, it has taken another
two days to first load 155 updates to Windows 8, then Windows 8.1, and
then all the updates to Windows 8.1. Those updates are still going on.

I had to reload ALL of the programs I use after finally getting back to
Windows 8.1

Good luck with your Successful Windows 10 update

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:06:44 -0500, Rene Lamontagne > wrote:

>Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
>graphics .cards
>I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much trouble!
>Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
>this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>nimble :-))

I haven't seen that many reports of trouble. Maybe it's just perception, but
I think I've seen far more reports of people consciously not upgrading to 10
because they/we/I know what's in it and we say 'no, thanks!".

[. . .winston[_2_]]

Keith Nuttle wrote on 08/19/2015 10:54 PM:
> On 8/19/2015 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
>> graphics .cards
>> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
>> trouble!
>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>> nimble :-))
>>
>> Best regards, Rene
> My install of Windows 10 went well also, and ran well for about 10 days,
> then everything went out the window. Opening programs froze the
> system to the point where the only way out was a hard hold the on button
> restart
>
> While MS advertise you can roll back to the previous OS, when I rolled
> back it rolled back to the OEM OS Windows 8. So after spending about
> three days trouble shooting the Windows 10 problem, it has taken another
> two days to first load 155 updates to Windows 8, then Windows 8.1, and
> then all the updates to Windows 8.1. Those updates are still going on.
>
> I had to reload ALL of the programs I use after finally getting back to
> Windows 8.1
>
> Good luck with your Successful Windows 10 update


Fyi...if that was the case, rolling all the way back to 8.0 (OEM
as-shipped), then to 8.1 and reinstalling application programs...then,
afiak that could (in hindsight) have been avoided.
- The Windows Media Creation Tool media for Windows 8.1 can install
and activate 8.1 when setup.exe is run from within 8.0.
- If the Windows Media Creation Tool media for 8.1 is booted, it will
install 8.1 and use the OEM Bios embedded product key or accept entry of
the 8.0 product key on the device sticker to activate 8.1


--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

[A.M]

On 2015-08-19 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
> graphics .cards
> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
> trouble!
> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
> nimble :-))

I had no trouble either. I think that as with any other product, there
will be problems along the way. Things seem bad because those whose
installs failed complain the loudest but in the end, they're still part
of a very small percentage of people and the majority has and will have
no issues whatsoever.

--
A.M

Hillary for Prison 2016!!

[knuttle]

On 8/20/2015 3:48 AM, . . .winston wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote on 08/19/2015 10:54 PM:
>> On 8/19/2015 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
>>> graphics .cards
>>> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
>>> trouble!
>>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
>>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>>> nimble :-))
>>>
>>> Best regards, Rene
>> My install of Windows 10 went well also, and ran well for about 10 days,
>> then everything went out the window. Opening programs froze the
>> system to the point where the only way out was a hard hold the on button
>> restart
>>
>> While MS advertise you can roll back to the previous OS, when I rolled
>> back it rolled back to the OEM OS Windows 8. So after spending about
>> three days trouble shooting the Windows 10 problem, it has taken another
>> two days to first load 155 updates to Windows 8, then Windows 8.1, and
>> then all the updates to Windows 8.1. Those updates are still going on.
>>
>> I had to reload ALL of the programs I use after finally getting back to
>> Windows 8.1
>>
>> Good luck with your Successful Windows 10 update
>
>
> Fyi...if that was the case, rolling all the way back to 8.0 (OEM
> as-shipped), then to 8.1 and reinstalling application programs...then,
> afiak that could (in hindsight) have been avoided.
> - The Windows Media Creation Tool media for Windows 8.1 can install
> and activate 8.1 when setup.exe is run from within 8.0.
> - If the Windows Media Creation Tool media for 8.1 is booted, it will
> install 8.1 and use the OEM Bios embedded product key or accept entry of
> the 8.0 product key on the device sticker to activate 8.1
>
>
Does the creation tool download the over 155 updates for Windows 8 and
then all of the updates for Windows 8.1. Does it reinstall all of your
programs.

[Mayayana]

| Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
| went as smoothly as it did on mine.
| These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
| graphics .cards
| I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
trouble!


In fairness, did you really do much more than click
"Next"? There's a vast array of hardware running
Windows. Bugs are normal. Unlike with Macs, where
the hardware is tightly controlled, it's hard to test all
scenarios for Windows. (That's why auto-update
is actually a dubious idea. As is updating Windows
witghout a very good reason.) So you may just be lucky.

Microsoft released two buggy versions of a patch
recently that turned out to be spyware updates! You
may not have had trouble, but if you enable auto-
updating you're always at risk. If you install a new
OS before the kinks are out you're also at greater risk.
Win10 has already had 2 or 3 patches, and word is
that some of the updates are now for the Windows
Store. You're not just risking stability for security fixes
anymore. Now you're risking stability for fluff. Hopefully
you're planning to buy some very exciting trinkets from
the Windows Store that will justify that risk. (A FitBit
app? :) Updating without a very good reason, like flashing
a BIOS when it's not causing problems, is a form of
entertainment, in hobby territory. You should expect
problems.

Another thing to be aware of: No one is responsible for
Win10 updates. Microsoft is leaving the OEMs to support
Win10 on OEM PCs. OEMs, in turn, are not thrilled to be
spending time and money to help you avoid buying a new
computer. That's an interesting twist on "free" update that
I, at least, hadn't thought of before: I assume that in the
past if you bought an update disk for $100 then MS would
support that. There's no such support for Win10 updates.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2973482/microsoft-windows/upgrade-old-pc-to-windows-10-youre-on-your-own.html

[Paul]

knuttle wrote:
> On 8/20/2015 3:48 AM, . . .winston wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote on 08/19/2015 10:54 PM:
>>> On 8/19/2015 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>>>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>>>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and
>>>> AMD
>>>> graphics .cards
>>>> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
>>>> trouble!
>>>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the
>>>> fundamentals of
>>>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>>>> nimble :-))
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Rene
>>> My install of Windows 10 went well also, and ran well for about 10 days,
>>> then everything went out the window. Opening programs froze the
>>> system to the point where the only way out was a hard hold the on button
>>> restart
>>>
>>> While MS advertise you can roll back to the previous OS, when I rolled
>>> back it rolled back to the OEM OS Windows 8. So after spending about
>>> three days trouble shooting the Windows 10 problem, it has taken another
>>> two days to first load 155 updates to Windows 8, then Windows 8.1, and
>>> then all the updates to Windows 8.1. Those updates are still going on.
>>>
>>> I had to reload ALL of the programs I use after finally getting back to
>>> Windows 8.1
>>>
>>> Good luck with your Successful Windows 10 update
>>
>>
>> Fyi...if that was the case, rolling all the way back to 8.0 (OEM
>> as-shipped), then to 8.1 and reinstalling application programs...then,
>> afiak that could (in hindsight) have been avoided.
>> - The Windows Media Creation Tool media for Windows 8.1 can install
>> and activate 8.1 when setup.exe is run from within 8.0.
>> - If the Windows Media Creation Tool media for 8.1 is booted, it will
>> install 8.1 and use the OEM Bios embedded product key or accept entry of
>> the 8.0 product key on the device sticker to activate 8.1
>>
>>
> Does the creation tool download the over 155 updates for Windows 8 and
> then all of the updates for Windows 8.1. Does it reinstall all of your
> programs.

It sounds like you selected Refresh or Reset, rather than
the GoBack option.

Settings : Update&Security : Recovery : Go Back

http://notebookspec.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/go-back.jpg

Go Back should have used Windows.old . And kept the
Program Files folder (it should have remained the same
from Win 8.1 to Win10 and back to Win 8.1 again).

Paul

[Joey Wolf Dee]

On 2015-08-20 02:17:08 +0000, Dave Cohen said:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:06:44 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
>> graphics .cards I don't understand why so many people on this NG are
>> having so much trouble!
>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals of
>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>> nimble :-))
>>
>> Best regards, Rene
>
> Glad you managed that, but successfully installing a piece of software on
> a machine is hardly a cause for celebration, we do it all the time.
> The real question is what do you have once you've done the install.
> Personally I am not making the upgrade, windows 7 professional works just
> fine although I'm spending most of my time in linux mint on a dual boot
> machine.

It seems you missed the point of Rene's post.

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 8/20/2015 7:28 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> | Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
> | went as smoothly as it did on mine.
> | These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and AMD
> | graphics .cards
> | I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
> trouble!
>
>
> In fairness, did you really do much more than click
> "Next"? There's a vast array of hardware running
> Windows. Bugs are normal. Unlike with Macs, where
> the hardware is tightly controlled, it's hard to test all
> scenarios for Windows. (That's why auto-update
> is actually a dubious idea. As is updating Windows
> without a very good reason.) So you may just be lucky.
>

In fairness, No I just didn't just click Next, I ran all the preview
versions for the last 4 months or so and studied and read many articles
on it , also followed this newsgroup closely to keep up to all the new
developments.
Also I have Macrium backup Images done 10 minutes before the install in
case things went pear shaped.
No not just lucky but well prepared, Sometimes you have to make your own
luck.


> Microsoft released two buggy versions of a patch
> recently that turned out to be spyware updates! You
> may not have had trouble, but if you enable auto-
> updating you're always at risk. If you install a new
> OS before the kinks are out you're also at greater risk.
> Win10 has already had 2 or 3 patches, and word is
> that some of the updates are now for the Windows
> Store. You're not just risking stability for security fixes
> anymore. Now you're risking stability for fluff. Hopefully
> you're planning to buy some very exciting trinkets from
> the Windows Store that will justify that risk. (A FitBit
> app? :) Updating without a very good reason, like flashing
> a BIOS when it's not causing problems, is a form of
> entertainment, in hobby territory. You should expect
> problems.
>

No I am not planning to buy some trinkets from the store,There is enough
good free software available on the net to keep me busy for years.

> Another thing to be aware of: No one is responsible for
> Win10 updates. Microsoft is leaving the OEMs to support
> Win10 on OEM PCs. OEMs, in turn, are not thrilled to be
> spending time and money to help you avoid buying a new
> computer. That's an interesting twist on "free" update that
> I, at least, hadn't thought of before: I assume that in the
> past if you bought an update disk for $100 then MS would
> support that. There's no such support for Win10 updates.
>

I have disabled hardware updates From Microsoft as they have proven to
be troublesome. I only update device drivers from the manufactures site
If I deem them necessary.

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2973482/microsoft-windows/upgrade-old-pc-to-windows-10-youre-on-your-own.html
>
>

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet ???

Regards Rene

[Mayayana]

| > In fairness, did you really do much more than click
| > "Next"? There's a vast array of hardware running
| > Windows. Bugs are normal. Unlike with Macs, where
| > the hardware is tightly controlled, it's hard to test all
| > scenarios for Windows. (That's why auto-update
| > is actually a dubious idea. As is updating Windows
| > without a very good reason.) So you may just be lucky.
| >
|
| In fairness, No I just didn't just click Next, I ran all the preview
| versions for the last 4 months or so and studied and read many articles
| on it , also followed this newsgroup closely to keep up to all the new
| developments.
| Also I have Macrium backup Images done 10 minutes before the install in
| case things went pear shaped.

Ah. So it didn't just go smoothly with no trouble,
and you're not just the "Next" clicking "little old
lady" that your post implied. You're a beta tester
and have already installed Win10 a number of times.

| >
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2973482/microsoft-windows/upgrade-old-pc-to-windows-10-youre-on-your-own.html

|
| Do you believe everything you read on the Internet ???
|

I didn't see any reason to doubt that OEMs are trying
to avoid support. Why would they make that up? And
they have a quote from Acer. It doesn't seem like an
especially farfetched idea to me. Just something to be
aware of for people updating.

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 8/20/2015 9:04 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> | > In fairness, did you really do much more than click
> | > "Next"? There's a vast array of hardware running
> | > Windows. Bugs are normal. Unlike with Macs, where
> | > the hardware is tightly controlled, it's hard to test all
> | > scenarios for Windows. (That's why auto-update
> | > is actually a dubious idea. As is updating Windows
> | > without a very good reason.) So you may just be lucky.
> | >
> |
> | In fairness, No I just didn't just click Next, I ran all the preview
> | versions for the last 4 months or so and studied and read many articles
> | on it , also followed this newsgroup closely to keep up to all the new
> | developments.
> | Also I have Macrium backup Images done 10 minutes before the install in
> | case things went pear shaped.
>
> Ah. So it didn't just go smoothly with no trouble,
> and you're not just the "Next" clicking "little old
> lady" that your post implied. You're a beta tester
> and have already installed Win10 a number of times.
>
> |

Can't You read or do you have trouble understanding, Again YES IT DID GO
SMOOTHLY WITHOUT NO TROUBLE AS STATED EARLIER, There did you get it
that time????????????

Rene

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2973482/microsoft-windows/upgrade-old-pc-to-windows-10-youre-on-your-own.html
>
> |
> | Do you believe everything you read on the Internet ???
> |
>
> I didn't see any reason to doubt that OEMs are trying
> to avoid support. Why would they make that up? And
> they have a quote from Acer. It doesn't seem like an
> especially farfetched idea to me. Just something to be
> aware of for people updating.
>
>

[Dave Cohen[_3_]]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:50:33 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> On 8/19/2015 9:17 PM, Dave Cohen wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:06:44 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper,
>>> all went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and
>>> AMD graphics .cards I don't understand why so many people on this NG
>>> are having so much trouble!
>>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the fundamentals
>>> of this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps
>>> us nimble :-))
>>>
>>> Best regards, Rene
>>
>> Glad you managed that, but successfully installing a piece of software
>> on a machine is hardly a cause for celebration, we do it all the time.
>> The real question is what do you have once you've done the install.
>> Personally I am not making the upgrade, windows 7 professional works
>> just fine although I'm spending most of my time in linux mint on a dual
>> boot machine.
>>
>>
> No, not celebrating, just making a point that why are people having such
> a problem with essentially a simple task. Nothing wrong with win7 but
> Linux for me is a no go.
>
> Regards, Rene

The point I'm making is why wouldn't the install go smoothly, surely it's
the least we should expect. I mean if I purchase a new car, I shouldn't
be surprised if it starts up ok the next morning.
As to why others report problems, who knows. I'm a handy helper for the
community in which I live, some people just don't read what pops up on
the screen when they are having a problem. Another has me program the
preset on her radio to her favorite station. If that gets messed up I
have to go back and fix it.
When people ask me if they should do the upgrade my response is if you
are happy with whatever you are running now, don't upgrade. With every
new release of windows I've had to discard a perfectly good scanner.
People who want to be adventurous and keep image backups aren't about to
ask my opinion anyway.
As for Linux, much has been said for and against, 90% of it being
rubbish. Like all things in this world, there isn't a clear cut answer,
but for me, provided you have the space, setting up a dual boot system
isn't too painful and permits an unbiased evaluation.

[. . .winston[_2_]]

knuttle wrote on 08/20/2015 8:11 AM:
> On 8/20/2015 3:48 AM, . . .winston wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote on 08/19/2015 10:54 PM:
>>> On 8/19/2015 10:06 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> Installed Win10 on my Son's desktop 8.1 machine with nary a wimper, all
>>>> went as smoothly as it did on mine.
>>>> These are both i7 950 machines with 6GB of ram in triple channel and
>>>> AMD
>>>> graphics .cards
>>>> I don't understand why so many people on this NG are having so much
>>>> trouble!
>>>> Hell, I am 81 years old and have no trouble grasping the
>>>> fundamentals of
>>>> this upgrade, Maybe its all that good Canadian cold air that keeps us
>>>> nimble :-))
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Rene
>>> My install of Windows 10 went well also, and ran well for about 10 days,
>>> then everything went out the window. Opening programs froze the
>>> system to the point where the only way out was a hard hold the on button
>>> restart
>>>
>>> While MS advertise you can roll back to the previous OS, when I rolled
>>> back it rolled back to the OEM OS Windows 8. So after spending about
>>> three days trouble shooting the Windows 10 problem, it has taken another
>>> two days to first load 155 updates to Windows 8, then Windows 8.1, and
>>> then all the updates to Windows 8.1. Those updates are still going on.
>>>
>>> I had to reload ALL of the programs I use after finally getting back to
>>> Windows 8.1
>>>
>>> Good luck with your Successful Windows 10 update
>>
>>
>> Fyi...if that was the case, rolling all the way back to 8.0 (OEM
>> as-shipped), then to 8.1 and reinstalling application programs...then,
>> afiak that could (in hindsight) have been avoided.
>> - The Windows Media Creation Tool media for Windows 8.1 can install
>> and activate 8.1 when setup.exe is run from within 8.0.
>> - If the Windows Media Creation Tool media for 8.1 is booted, it will
>> install 8.1 and use the OEM Bios embedded product key or accept entry of
>> the 8.0 product key on the device sticker to activate 8.1
>>
>>
> Does the creation tool download the over 155 updates for Windows 8 and
> then all of the updates for Windows 8.1. Does it reinstall all of your
> programs.

It doesn't need to download and install all the post 8.0 RTM updates
released prior to and required for 8.1 Update (1)
- i.e. 8.1 Update (1) is the baseline starting point for updating.


--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience