Re: First Windows Messenger 5 screenshots

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Joachim,

I don't think the system requirements for Messenger will be raised to 2Ghz *grin*. Obviously
allowing the video window to be resized (well, made bigger) has been a big feature request
for a long time, will it be in the final Windows Messenger 5.0 release? Unknown at this
point.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Joachim Kaufmann" > wrote in message
...
> At TechEd 2002 they had some roadmaps showing a wm based messenger. I think
> a 2 or 3 ghz pc can endode wm9 in realtime without a problem. Do you think
> that the size the video window will be adjustable?
>
> Joachim
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
> > Hi Joachim,
> >
> > You can't use WM9 codecs for voice/video conversations -- the encoding
> time is too slow.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "Joachim Kaufmann" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I hoped that in the 5.0 release ist will be possible to change the size
> of
> > > the video window and that they use the wm9 codecs.
> > >
> > > Joachim
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag
> > > ...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > What do you think? =)
> > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > >
> > > > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > > Just thought you'd like to take a look at the screenshots for
> Windows
> > > > > Messenger 5 (at last!). Of course, this will be the PROPER upgrade
> from
> > > 4.7
> > > > > for Windows XP users.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=9757&category=main
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[Jerry L]

Xref: 127.0.0.1 microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger:37754

Think of MSN Messenger as Consumer Version and Windows Messenger
as Corporate Version. The last thing Corporate IT Managers want to do is
make it easier for internal users to access external services like Hotmail.

"Test Man" > wrote in message
...
> The Ink stuff looks pretty good, a nice new addition. But I hope that
it'll
> still replicate MSN Messenger 5 features e.g. alerts for Hotmail, etc.
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > What do you think? =)
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Hi.
> > > Just thought you'd like to take a look at the screenshots for
Windows
> > > Messenger 5 (at last!). Of course, this will be the PROPER upgrade
from
> 4.7
> > > for Windows XP users.
> > >
> > > http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=9757&category=main
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[William Klauss]

OK then why is Messenger part of XP and if you want to remove it you have to
run the reg file that is not support by MS. if you don't run the file
Outlook Express will crash or take forever to load waiting for Windows
Messenger 4.7
By the way Office 11 (Office 2003) dose not have newsgroups as part of the
program. So why don't MS do a update to remove Windows Messenger out of the
OS altogether. So if you want to install MSN Messenger you don't have two
Messenger running. I know I can go to Add and Remove programs and remove it.
but if you do not run the reg file Outlook Express will install it again.
Will Windows Messenger 5 have the same trouble as Windows Messenger 4.x has
with Outlook Express

William


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> Outlook (with corporate support) and Outlook Express (with more end user
support) -- similar
> applications, different uses.
>
> A good comparison I think to Windows Messenger 5 and MSN Messenger 5.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
> "William Klauss" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What dose Microsoft Outlook got to do with Windows Messenger 5 ?
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi William,
> > >
> > > That information is incorrect -- although it may have a focus on the
> > corporate world and
> > > corporate servers (Exchange IM, Greenwich), this does *not* make it
> > "corporate only".
> > > Compare it to Microsoft Outlook, which although having a focus for
> > corporate solutions
> > > (Exchange, other 3rd party servers, like Lotus Notes) it still be can
be
> > used by a personal
> > > user (Outlook supports POP3, and even Hotmail e-mail).
> > >
> > > Don't believe everything you read.
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > >
> > > "William Klauss" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > From what I see and read the version 5 of Windows Messenger will
only be
> > for
> > > > Corporation. Not for Personnel used.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep in mind, Hotmail is under MSN, aka MSN Messenger. Windows
> > Messenger
> > > > 5 is not designed
> > > > > to be a clone of MSN Messenger 5 (or any other version for that
> > matter).
> > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > > The Ink stuff looks pretty good, a nice new addition. But I
hope
> > that
> > > > it'll
> > > > > > still replicate MSN Messenger 5 features e.g. alerts for
Hotmail,
> > etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think? =)
> > > > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > Just thought you'd like to take a look at the screenshots
for
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > Messenger 5 (at last!). Of course, this will be the PROPER
> > upgrade
> > > > from
> > > > > > 4.7
> > > > > > > > for Windows XP users.
> > > > > > > >
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[Erik]

William,

I am running MSN 5.0, I still have WM 4.7.x installed. 4.7 does not load at
all, it stays dormant, just as I told it to. I am using Office 11 Beta 2 for
email, I used Outlook Express for newsgroups, and I am running Windows XP
Professional w/ SP1.

Jonathan is correct in his comparison of Outlook to Outlook Express and MSN
Messenger to Windows Messenger.

Windows Messenger seems to be geared more towards the business user, but,
that does not mean that a home user cannot use it. What kind of sense does
it make to say only "Servers" can have an IM client installed, that is
asinine as you don't run a server on your desktop, thus, no one would be
using Windows Messenger 5.0.

MSN is based more for entertainment usage, that does not mean that you
cannot use it in a business environment, if you so choose.

MSN/Windows Messenger were once designed by the same program group, then,
for truly unknown reasons, the groups were split. Now there are actually
three groups that are working on the Messenger clients.

But, they have designed MSN to run along side Windows Messenger and stay out
of your way if you so choose like I have.

--
Erik

Running:
Windows XP Professional SP1

"William Klauss" > wrote in message
...
> OK then why is Messenger part of XP and if you want to remove it you have
to
> run the reg file that is not support by MS. if you don't run the file
> Outlook Express will crash or take forever to load waiting for Windows
> Messenger 4.7
> By the way Office 11 (Office 2003) dose not have newsgroups as part of the
> program. So why don't MS do a update to remove Windows Messenger out of
the
> OS altogether. So if you want to install MSN Messenger you don't have two
> Messenger running. I know I can go to Add and Remove programs and remove
it.
> but if you do not run the reg file Outlook Express will install it again.
> Will Windows Messenger 5 have the same trouble as Windows Messenger 4.x
has
> with Outlook Express
>
> William
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Outlook (with corporate support) and Outlook Express (with more end user
> support) -- similar
> > applications, different uses.
> >
> > A good comparison I think to Windows Messenger 5 and MSN Messenger 5.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> > "William Klauss" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > What dose Microsoft Outlook got to do with Windows Messenger 5 ?
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi William,
> > > >
> > > > That information is incorrect -- although it may have a focus on the
> > > corporate world and
> > > > corporate servers (Exchange IM, Greenwich), this does *not* make it
> > > "corporate only".
> > > > Compare it to Microsoft Outlook, which although having a focus for
> > > corporate solutions
> > > > (Exchange, other 3rd party servers, like Lotus Notes) it still be
can
> be
> > > used by a personal
> > > > user (Outlook supports POP3, and even Hotmail e-mail).
> > > >
> > > > Don't believe everything you read.
> > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > >
> > > > "William Klauss" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > From what I see and read the version 5 of Windows Messenger will
> only be
> > > for
> > > > > Corporation. Not for Personnel used.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
> message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep in mind, Hotmail is under MSN, aka MSN Messenger. Windows
> > > Messenger
> > > > > 5 is not designed
> > > > > > to be a clone of MSN Messenger 5 (or any other version for that
> > > matter).
> > > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > > The Ink stuff looks pretty good, a nice new addition. But I
> hope
> > > that
> > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > still replicate MSN Messenger 5 features e.g. alerts for
> Hotmail,
> > > etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you think? =)
> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Test Man" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > > Just thought you'd like to take a look at the
screenshots
> for
> > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > Messenger 5 (at last!). Of course, this will be the
PROPER
> > > upgrade
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > 4.7
> > > > > > > > > for Windows XP users.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=9757&category=main
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