Chuck Croll
April 11th 03, 08:09 PM
Jonathan,
If I block anybody who isn't on my contact list, they can't send me
messages. Whether or not I'm on their list. Whether or not THEY
realise that they can send messages to folks not on THEIR list.
Janek,
Amen. That is exactly what I've been saying.
..NET Messenger spam is not rare. It happens several times / day, and
is getting worse.
Two spams for me today (and it is just noon):
Pam >
Hot_Girl >
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:22:35 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> wrote:
>Hi Janek,
>
>I would guest that nearly 80% of the Messenger user base isn't even aware that you can send a
>message to someone without adding them to their contact list. Turning off this option just
>prevents people from doing this, it does not prevent people from adding you to their contact
>lists.
>
>As I've said, .NET Messenger spam is still and has been rare, but you're going to find spam
>on any public IM network.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Janek Czekaj" > wrote in message
...
>> Stopping people who aren't on your Contacts lists from contacting you kind
>> of defeats the point of Instant Messaging - not everyone I know is on my
>> Contacts list and so any of my friends/colleagues who may use MSN in the
>> future will not be able to contact me.
>>
>> Manually deleting the crap ones is also a nonsense as you end up in the same
>> mess as occured with all that porn Hotmail users find in their in-boxes -
>> Microsoft needs to sort this out. My mistake appears to have been to have
>> STUPIDLY allowed my Hotmail address to be published on the Hotmail
>> Directory - I advise everyone to not do this now - but, long-term, there
>> needs to be something done about this - a technical solution and not a user
>> manual one. Otherwise, I will be spending hours each day maually blocking
>> porn via IM and simply go and use a different IM client instead.
>>
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hi Janek,
>> >
>> > There's no "port scanning" or anything else going on. These messages are
>> sent through the
>> > .NET Messenger network, using a modified Messenger client and/or a
>> dictionary program to
>> > "guess" at e-mail addresses (note that nearly all the people effected are
>> from @hotmail.com
>> > addresses?).
>> >
>> > If you still have the Passports responsible for this, please forward them
>> to me. You can
>> > stop these messages by stopping people who aren't on your contact list
>> from contacting you.
>> > To do so, open up the main Messenger window, click Tools, then Options,
>> then the Privacy tab,
>> > click 'All other users' (or 'All users' in MSN Messenger 5) and then click
>> the Block >>
>> > button.
>> > ____________________________________________
>> > Jonathan Kay
>> > Windows MVP, Messenger
>> > Associate Expert
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> > "Janek Czekaj" > wrote in
>> message
>> > ...
>> > > Thanks Jonathan,
>> > >
>> > > No, it is NOT the Messenger Service. It is MSN. It is as if someone has
>> got
>> > > hold of my Hotmail account and are now bombarding me with MSN Messages.
>> It
>> > > is no different as if a friend of colleague contacts me but, sadly, it
>> is
>> > > from persons unknown sending me information on Porn sites.
>> > >
>> > > I have done some research on various SPAM NGs and this appears to have
>> > > become quite common in recent months. Some people are suggesting that
>> some
>> > > kind of Port Scanning is going on but... I would have thought my
>> Firewall
>> > > would have taken care of this.
>> > >
>> > > Janek.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > Greetings Jan,
>> > > >
>> > > > Does this "spam" that is appearing have "Messenger Service" in its
>> > > titlebar? If so, what
>> > > > you're seeing is the Messenger service built-in to Windows, *not*
>> Windows
>> > > Messenger (which
>> > > > are two different things) which spammers are exploiting -- this is not
>> > > Microsoft, nor can
>> > > > Microsoft control them anymore then they can control spam to your
>> e-mail
>> > > inbox.
>> > > >
>> > > > To get rid of these pop ups, you'll need to disable the "Messenger
>> > > Service", click Start,
>> > > > then Run, enter "services.msc"and click OK. Scroll down to
>> "Messenger",
>> > > select it,
>> > > > right-click and then choose Properties. Under startup type, choose
>> > > 'Disabled' and then
>> > > > choose the 'Stop' button. After the service is stopped, click OK.
>> Nothing
>> > > in Windows or any
>> > > > real third-party applications should be effected by this.
>> > > > ____________________________________________
>> > > > Jonathan Kay
>> > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
>> > > > Associate Expert
>> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> > > >
>> > > > "Janek Czekaj" > wrote in
>> > > message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > My MSN Messenger has suddenly begun to be inundated with SPAM for
>> porn.
>> > > Is
>> > > > > it possible to stop this other than waiting for it to occur and then
>> > > using
>> > > > > the Block?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jan.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
Chuck Croll
Spam sucks - Get rid of the spam to email me
If I block anybody who isn't on my contact list, they can't send me
messages. Whether or not I'm on their list. Whether or not THEY
realise that they can send messages to folks not on THEIR list.
Janek,
Amen. That is exactly what I've been saying.
..NET Messenger spam is not rare. It happens several times / day, and
is getting worse.
Two spams for me today (and it is just noon):
Pam >
Hot_Girl >
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:22:35 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> wrote:
>Hi Janek,
>
>I would guest that nearly 80% of the Messenger user base isn't even aware that you can send a
>message to someone without adding them to their contact list. Turning off this option just
>prevents people from doing this, it does not prevent people from adding you to their contact
>lists.
>
>As I've said, .NET Messenger spam is still and has been rare, but you're going to find spam
>on any public IM network.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Janek Czekaj" > wrote in message
...
>> Stopping people who aren't on your Contacts lists from contacting you kind
>> of defeats the point of Instant Messaging - not everyone I know is on my
>> Contacts list and so any of my friends/colleagues who may use MSN in the
>> future will not be able to contact me.
>>
>> Manually deleting the crap ones is also a nonsense as you end up in the same
>> mess as occured with all that porn Hotmail users find in their in-boxes -
>> Microsoft needs to sort this out. My mistake appears to have been to have
>> STUPIDLY allowed my Hotmail address to be published on the Hotmail
>> Directory - I advise everyone to not do this now - but, long-term, there
>> needs to be something done about this - a technical solution and not a user
>> manual one. Otherwise, I will be spending hours each day maually blocking
>> porn via IM and simply go and use a different IM client instead.
>>
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hi Janek,
>> >
>> > There's no "port scanning" or anything else going on. These messages are
>> sent through the
>> > .NET Messenger network, using a modified Messenger client and/or a
>> dictionary program to
>> > "guess" at e-mail addresses (note that nearly all the people effected are
>> from @hotmail.com
>> > addresses?).
>> >
>> > If you still have the Passports responsible for this, please forward them
>> to me. You can
>> > stop these messages by stopping people who aren't on your contact list
>> from contacting you.
>> > To do so, open up the main Messenger window, click Tools, then Options,
>> then the Privacy tab,
>> > click 'All other users' (or 'All users' in MSN Messenger 5) and then click
>> the Block >>
>> > button.
>> > ____________________________________________
>> > Jonathan Kay
>> > Windows MVP, Messenger
>> > Associate Expert
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> > "Janek Czekaj" > wrote in
>> message
>> > ...
>> > > Thanks Jonathan,
>> > >
>> > > No, it is NOT the Messenger Service. It is MSN. It is as if someone has
>> got
>> > > hold of my Hotmail account and are now bombarding me with MSN Messages.
>> It
>> > > is no different as if a friend of colleague contacts me but, sadly, it
>> is
>> > > from persons unknown sending me information on Porn sites.
>> > >
>> > > I have done some research on various SPAM NGs and this appears to have
>> > > become quite common in recent months. Some people are suggesting that
>> some
>> > > kind of Port Scanning is going on but... I would have thought my
>> Firewall
>> > > would have taken care of this.
>> > >
>> > > Janek.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > Greetings Jan,
>> > > >
>> > > > Does this "spam" that is appearing have "Messenger Service" in its
>> > > titlebar? If so, what
>> > > > you're seeing is the Messenger service built-in to Windows, *not*
>> Windows
>> > > Messenger (which
>> > > > are two different things) which spammers are exploiting -- this is not
>> > > Microsoft, nor can
>> > > > Microsoft control them anymore then they can control spam to your
>> > > inbox.
>> > > >
>> > > > To get rid of these pop ups, you'll need to disable the "Messenger
>> > > Service", click Start,
>> > > > then Run, enter "services.msc"and click OK. Scroll down to
>> "Messenger",
>> > > select it,
>> > > > right-click and then choose Properties. Under startup type, choose
>> > > 'Disabled' and then
>> > > > choose the 'Stop' button. After the service is stopped, click OK.
>> Nothing
>> > > in Windows or any
>> > > > real third-party applications should be effected by this.
>> > > > ____________________________________________
>> > > > Jonathan Kay
>> > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
>> > > > Associate Expert
>> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> > > >
>> > > > "Janek Czekaj" > wrote in
>> > > message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > My MSN Messenger has suddenly begun to be inundated with SPAM for
>> porn.
>> > > Is
>> > > > > it possible to stop this other than waiting for it to occur and then
>> > > using
>> > > > > the Block?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jan.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> > >
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>
Chuck Croll
Spam sucks - Get rid of the spam to email me