MSN Msngr 5, Windows Msngr 4.7..What's up with that???

[mrkeysfla]

OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's Windowsupdate
prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows Messenger
4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which is
the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
using with XP?

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Greetings,

There are two different Messenger clients available on Windows XP -- Windows Messenger
(currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you already have MSN Messenger 5 (and most
likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's recommendation.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"mrkeysfla" > wrote in message ...
> OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's Windowsupdate
> prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
> fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows Messenger
> 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which is
> the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
> using with XP?
>
>

[mrkeysfla]

OK, thanks for clearing that up.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings,
>
> There are two different Messenger clients available on Windows XP --
Windows Messenger
> (currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you already have MSN
Messenger 5 (and most
> likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's recommendation.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
> "mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
...
> > OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's
Windowsupdate
> > prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
> > fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows
Messenger
> > 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which
is
> > the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
> > using with XP?
> >
> >
>
>

[No Spam]

Hi Jonathan,
Do you mean that MSN-Messenger finally took over from Windows Messenger.
And that the latter is going to disappear ?


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings,
>
> There are two different Messenger clients available on Windows XP --
Windows Messenger
> (currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you already have MSN
Messenger 5 (and most
> likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's recommendation.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
> "mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
...
> > OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's
Windowsupdate
> > prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
> > fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows
Messenger
> > 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which
is
> > the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
> > using with XP?
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

You're very welcome =).
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"mrkeysfla" > wrote in message ...
> OK, thanks for clearing that up.
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Greetings,
> >
> > There are two different Messenger clients available on Windows XP --
> Windows Messenger
> > (currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you already have MSN
> Messenger 5 (and most
> > likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's recommendation.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's
> Windowsupdate
> > > prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
> > > fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows
> Messenger
> > > 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which
> is
> > > the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
> > > using with XP?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

No, I'm not saying that at all (and that would be incorrect, Windows Messenger and MSN
Messenger are separate applications, neither is being "taken over" by the other) -- I'm
simply saying that in the poster's situation, that continuing to use MSN Messenger 5 and not
bothering with the Windows Messenger update would probably be the easiest and most sensible
thing to do. If it's not broke, don't fix it =).
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"No Spam" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Jonathan,
> Do you mean that MSN-Messenger finally took over from Windows Messenger.
> And that the latter is going to disappear ?
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Greetings,
> >
> > There are two different Messenger clients available on Windows XP --
> Windows Messenger
> > (currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you already have MSN
> Messenger 5 (and most
> > likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's recommendation.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP Pro's
> Windowsupdate
> > > prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the later version, I
> > > fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to install Windows
> Messenger
> > > 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I don't get it! Which
> is
> > > the newer version of what, and what's the difference? What should we be
> > > using with XP?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Chuck Croll]

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:19:26 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>No, I'm not saying that at all (and that would be incorrect, Windows Messenger and MSN
>Messenger are separate applications, neither is being "taken over" by the other) -- I'm
>simply saying that in the poster's situation, that continuing to use MSN Messenger 5 and not
>bothering with the Windows Messenger update would probably be the easiest and most sensible
>thing to do. If it's not broke, don't fix it =).
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>

>SNIP<

Hi Jonathan,

This is sound advice, except for the functionality differences (which
you wrote about, and I can't find) between MSN Messenger and Windows
Messenger. If he doesn't pick up the WM update, won't he be missing
functionality?

Chuck Croll

Spam sucks - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Chuck,

No -- they already have Windows Messenger installed, WindowsUpdate is just informing the
poster that 4.7.2009 is now available. There is no new functionality with 4.7.2009.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Chuck Croll" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:19:26 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >No, I'm not saying that at all (and that would be incorrect, Windows Messenger and MSN
> >Messenger are separate applications, neither is being "taken over" by the other) -- I'm
> >simply saying that in the poster's situation, that continuing to use MSN Messenger 5 and
not
> >bothering with the Windows Messenger update would probably be the easiest and most
sensible
> >thing to do. If it's not broke, don't fix it =).
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
>
> >SNIP<
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> This is sound advice, except for the functionality differences (which
> you wrote about, and I can't find) between MSN Messenger and Windows
> Messenger. If he doesn't pick up the WM update, won't he be missing
> functionality?
>
> Chuck Croll
>
> Spam sucks - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!
>

[Chuck Croll]

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:01:57 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> wrote:

>Hi Chuck,
>
>No -- they already have Windows Messenger installed, WindowsUpdate is just informing the
>poster that 4.7.2009 is now available. There is no new functionality with 4.7.2009.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>

Hi Jonathan,

Yeah I remember V4.7.2009. It didn't break anything - but didn't fix
anything either. I spent all that time asking you how I could get a
fallback copy of what I had before, then downloading what you sent me,
THEN updating WM. TFWOT.

Cheers,

Chuck


Chuck Croll

Spam sucks - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!

[Jack]

I experienced the same thing, and arrived at the same
conclusion, however it gets a little more complex. I
tried to do a remote assistance through MSN Messenger,
first as expert, and then as novice, and I get a message
telling me that I have to install the latest version of
MSN Messenger to do a RA. I downloaded and installed the
exact same version that I was getting this message on, v5.0
(5.0.0543). At some point I got an error message saying
that a file path was not valid. I don't remember exactly
what the path was, except that it was directed to my Temp
folder. What's next, a repair installation of XP?
>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings,
>
>There are two different Messenger clients available on
Windows XP -- Windows Messenger
>(currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you
already have MSN Messenger 5 (and most
>likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's
recommendation.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
...
>> OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP
Pro's Windowsupdate
>> prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the
later version, I
>> fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to
install Windows Messenger
>> 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I
don't get it! Which is
>> the newer version of what, and what's the difference?
What should we be
>> using with XP?
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

[Darrell Catmull]

MICROSOFT needs to fix this as they are not distinguishing between XP users
an MSN user using XP. This aggravated me for sometime, I don't use MSN ISP
so I removed MSN Messenger from the control panel add remove programs
section. This will allow XP, OE, IE, Office, to use messenger as intended.



If you use MSN ISP then go to add/remove windows components and uncheck the
windows messenger box. Your MSN services will utilize the MSN messenger
program as intended.

[No Spam]

Windows Messenger - MSN Messenger - Whatever the names are:
MS should be ashamed to confuse the customer and to sow dicord the way they
do with a nice litlle software that should be EASY for everybody.
There should be ONE version for everybody.
Messenger should also take care about opening the ports it needs.
Messenger should also do by itself what should be done in order to get
through the built-in XP firewall.
We did chose for a WindowsXP system because it was supposed to be
USER-FRIENDLY : up to MS to prove to us that we made the right choise !!

I banned Windows Messenger already for quite some time due to all these
confusions, incompatibilities between WinXP, ME, 98, 2K, problems with the
WinXP firewall, and because of the fact that I cannot login in the
appear-offline-status.

I am using Yahoo Messenger.
Maybe not as good as Windows Messenger.
But su much more USERFRIENDLY.



"Chuck Croll" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:19:26 -0400, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >No, I'm not saying that at all (and that would be incorrect, Windows
Messenger and MSN
> >Messenger are separate applications, neither is being "taken over" by the
other) -- I'm
> >simply saying that in the poster's situation, that continuing to use MSN
Messenger 5 and not
> >bothering with the Windows Messenger update would probably be the easiest
and most sensible
> >thing to do. If it's not broke, don't fix it =).
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
>
> >SNIP<
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> This is sound advice, except for the functionality differences (which
> you wrote about, and I can't find) between MSN Messenger and Windows
> Messenger. If he doesn't pick up the WM update, won't he be missing
> functionality?
>
> Chuck Croll
>
> Spam sucks - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Greetings Jack,

In order to use Remote Assistance in MSN Messenger, you have to have the latest version of
Windows Messenger installed, not MSN Messenger.

To do so, just download and install from here:
http://messenger.microsoft.com/download/download.asp?client=0.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Jack" > wrote in message ...
> I experienced the same thing, and arrived at the same
> conclusion, however it gets a little more complex. I
> tried to do a remote assistance through MSN Messenger,
> first as expert, and then as novice, and I get a message
> telling me that I have to install the latest version of
> MSN Messenger to do a RA. I downloaded and installed the
> exact same version that I was getting this message on, v5.0
> (5.0.0543). At some point I got an error message saying
> that a file path was not valid. I don't remember exactly
> what the path was, except that it was directed to my Temp
> folder. What's next, a repair installation of XP?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings,
> >
> >There are two different Messenger clients available on
> Windows XP -- Windows Messenger
> >(currently at 4.7) and MSN Messenger 5. Since you
> already have MSN Messenger 5 (and most
> >likely are using that), you can ignore WindowsUpdate's
> recommendation.
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >"mrkeysfla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> OK, I am totally confused. Some time ago, I guess, XP
> Pro's Windowsupdate
> >> prompted me to upgrade to MSN Messenger 5.0. Dut to the
> later version, I
> >> fugured ok and did it. Now Windowsupdate wants to
> install Windows Messenger
> >> 4.7, an earlier version number and different name. I
> don't get it! Which is
> >> the newer version of what, and what's the difference?
> What should we be
> >> using with XP?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >