MSN Messenger / Windows Messenger?

[Nickster]

Whats the difference? I have XP with Windows messenger and
Windows update told me there was a new MSN Messenger, so I
updated it. Now I have 2 messengers loading at startup
both knocking eachother offline because I have signed on
in another location (another msgr). I use a web etc and
both seem to support that now, so which one is better
now???? Any ideas. Thanks all

[Darrell Catmull]

MICROSOFT needs to fix this as they are not distinguishing between XP users
an MSN user using XP. This aggravated me for sometime, I don't use MSN ISP
so I removed MSN Messenger from the control panel add remove programs
section. This will allow XP, OE, IE, Office, to use messenger as intended.



If you use MSN ISP then go to add/remove windows components and uncheck the
windows messenger box. Your MSN services will utilize the MSN messenger
program as intended.

[Test Man]

On Windows XP, MSN Messenger is NOT the same as Windows Messenger.
Therefore, installing MSN Messenger 5 will NOT replace Windows Messenger 4.
It will work side-by-side.

Windows Messenger is the integrated native messaging app on Windows XP and
is what Outlook, Outlook Express and Internet Explorer will use on this OS.
Therefore, even if you prevent Windows Messenger from starting, these
programs may start up Windows Messenger, even if you already have MSN
Messenger running. It is not possible to have MSN Messenger integrate with
these applications on Windows XP (although it does on other 32-bit Windows
OSes).

MSN Messenger in fact, uses the Remote Assistance, Whiteboard and
Application Sharing features of Windows Messenger so if Windows Messenger is
absent on the system, those functions will not work in MSN Messenger.

Due to the obvious confusion, it's best to not install MSN Messenger 5 on
Windows XP, unless you need a specific function that Windows Messenger does
not provide (such as UPnP File Transfer).

To nevertheless remove Windows Messenger, you will have to follow the
instructions on Jonathan Kay's website at this link
http://messenger.jonathankay.com/problem.aspx?ID=7 titled "How to Uninstall
Windows Messenger". Removing Windows Messenger may stop other programs from
functioning correctly though.

More details can be retrieved from Microsoft themselves in their Knowledge
Base at http://support.microsoft.com/?id=330117


"Nickster" > wrote in message
...
> Whats the difference? I have XP with Windows messenger and
> Windows update told me there was a new MSN Messenger, so I
> updated it. Now I have 2 messengers loading at startup
> both knocking eachother offline because I have signed on
> in another location (another msgr). I use a web etc and
> both seem to support that now, so which one is better
> now???? Any ideas. Thanks all
>

[JD]

I disagree, MSM does support UPnP, it actually adds the ports required to my
Linksys NAT without any user intervention.

--
Jonathan Davey
UK
"Test Man" > wrote in message
...
> On Windows XP, MSN Messenger is NOT the same as Windows Messenger.
> Therefore, installing MSN Messenger 5 will NOT replace Windows Messenger
4.
> It will work side-by-side.
>
> Windows Messenger is the integrated native messaging app on Windows XP and
> is what Outlook, Outlook Express and Internet Explorer will use on this
OS.
> Therefore, even if you prevent Windows Messenger from starting, these
> programs may start up Windows Messenger, even if you already have MSN
> Messenger running. It is not possible to have MSN Messenger integrate
with
> these applications on Windows XP (although it does on other 32-bit Windows
> OSes).
>
> MSN Messenger in fact, uses the Remote Assistance, Whiteboard and
> Application Sharing features of Windows Messenger so if Windows Messenger
is
> absent on the system, those functions will not work in MSN Messenger.
>
> Due to the obvious confusion, it's best to not install MSN Messenger 5 on
> Windows XP, unless you need a specific function that Windows Messenger
does
> not provide (such as UPnP File Transfer).
>
> To nevertheless remove Windows Messenger, you will have to follow the
> instructions on Jonathan Kay's website at this link
> http://messenger.jonathankay.com/problem.aspx?ID=7 titled "How to
Uninstall
> Windows Messenger". Removing Windows Messenger may stop other programs
from
> functioning correctly though.
>
> More details can be retrieved from Microsoft themselves in their Knowledge
> Base at http://support.microsoft.com/?id=330117
>
>
> "Nickster" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Whats the difference? I have XP with Windows messenger and
> > Windows update told me there was a new MSN Messenger, so I
> > updated it. Now I have 2 messengers loading at startup
> > both knocking eachother offline because I have signed on
> > in another location (another msgr). I use a web etc and
> > both seem to support that now, so which one is better
> > now???? Any ideas. Thanks all
> >
>
>


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[Swampy]

I think you misread what Test Man wrote.

Windows Messenger does have UPnP, which does allow stuff like Remote
Assitance, Voice, Video, App Sharing etc to work from behind a UPnP
compliant NAT enable router. However the file transfer does not work with
UPnP in Windows Messenger. Whereas if you installed MSN Messenger UPnP file
tranfer is available, along with the other stuff (just so long as you do not
remove Windows Messenger).

Regards

Swampy

"JD" > wrote in message
...
> I disagree, MSM does support UPnP, it actually adds the ports required to
my
> Linksys NAT without any user intervention.
>
> --
> Jonathan Davey
> UK
> "Test Man" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Windows XP, MSN Messenger is NOT the same as Windows Messenger.
> > Therefore, installing MSN Messenger 5 will NOT replace Windows Messenger
> 4.
> > It will work side-by-side.
> >
> > Windows Messenger is the integrated native messaging app on Windows XP
and
> > is what Outlook, Outlook Express and Internet Explorer will use on this
> OS.
> > Therefore, even if you prevent Windows Messenger from starting, these
> > programs may start up Windows Messenger, even if you already have MSN
> > Messenger running. It is not possible to have MSN Messenger integrate
> with
> > these applications on Windows XP (although it does on other 32-bit
Windows
> > OSes).
> >
> > MSN Messenger in fact, uses the Remote Assistance, Whiteboard and
> > Application Sharing features of Windows Messenger so if Windows
Messenger
> is
> > absent on the system, those functions will not work in MSN Messenger.
> >
> > Due to the obvious confusion, it's best to not install MSN Messenger 5
on
> > Windows XP, unless you need a specific function that Windows Messenger
> does
> > not provide (such as UPnP File Transfer).
> >
> > To nevertheless remove Windows Messenger, you will have to follow the
> > instructions on Jonathan Kay's website at this link
> > http://messenger.jonathankay.com/problem.aspx?ID=7 titled "How to
> Uninstall
> > Windows Messenger". Removing Windows Messenger may stop other programs
> from
> > functioning correctly though.
> >
> > More details can be retrieved from Microsoft themselves in their
Knowledge
> > Base at http://support.microsoft.com/?id=330117
> >
> >
> > "Nickster" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Whats the difference? I have XP with Windows messenger and
> > > Windows update told me there was a new MSN Messenger, so I
> > > updated it. Now I have 2 messengers loading at startup
> > > both knocking eachother offline because I have signed on
> > > in another location (another msgr). I use a web etc and
> > > both seem to support that now, so which one is better
> > > now???? Any ideas. Thanks all
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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