Enough Already. I give Up.

[gilbert]

Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
(why is there no option to disable such a function)
which tends to do more harm than good.

>-----Original Message-----
>I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
cannot get my
>Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
have all the updates
>and the latest firmware but still nothing.
>
>Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
video chat with another
>person? Or, are there any other routers that are
compatible with messenger?
>
>Thanks..
>
>
>.
>

[Robert Riehl]

Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?

thanks!



"gilbert" > wrote in message
...
> Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> which tends to do more harm than good.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> cannot get my
> >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> have all the updates
> >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> >
> >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> video chat with another
> >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> compatible with messenger?
> >
> >Thanks..
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?

thanks!

[gilbert]

Yes. you can use Window XP built-in feature call Internet
Connection Sharing.

>-----Original Message-----
>Will I still be able to share my internet connection with
a hub or switch?
>
>thanks!
>
>
>
>"gilbert" > wrote in message
...
>> Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
>> At least these devices do not contain a built-in
firewall
>> (why is there no option to disable such a function)
>> which tends to do more harm than good.
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter
what
>> cannot get my
>> >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
>> have all the updates
>> >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
>> >
>> >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
>> video chat with another
>> >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
>> compatible with messenger?
>> >
>> >Thanks..
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>Will I still be able to share my internet connection with
a hub or switch?
>
>thanks!
>
>
>.
>

[Joel Estes]

I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is totaly
independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking ISP that
provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is cable
at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.

Joel

"Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
...
> Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
> "gilbert" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > which tends to do more harm than good.
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> > cannot get my
> > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> > have all the updates
> > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > >
> > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> > video chat with another
> > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> > compatible with messenger?
> > >
> > >Thanks..
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
> Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
>
> thanks!
>
>

[robREMOVEME@robertriehl.com]

"Joel Estes" > wrote in message >...
> I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is totaly
> independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking ISP that
> provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is cable
> at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
>
> Joel
>
> "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> cannot get my
> > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> have all the updates
> > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > > >
> > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> video chat with another
> > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> compatible with messenger?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >

Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
Warner's RoadRunner Service.

Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?

Thanks so much!

[Jason Clishe]

> Then what is the difference between a router and a hub?

A hub merely allows devices *that are plugged into the same hub* to talk to
each other. If you want to communicate with devices *not* plugged into your
hub, you need a router. Think of a router as a "gateway" or a "bridge".

Without going into too much detail, think of a router as a way to connect
multiple networks. In this case, your internal network and the Internet.

Understand that this is a very basic description of the differences between
a router a hub.

> Can 2 computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB?

With *only* a hub, no. You must have a router to connect multiple networks.
But understand that you still need a hub on your end to create your own
network. Then you implement a router to connect your little network to the
outside world.

Also understand that a router can be hardware of software based. If you have
a computer with multiple NIC's, you can implement Windows Internet
Connection Sharing, which effectively turns your computer into a router. One
NIC connects to your internal network, the other NIC connects to the
Internet, and the operating system "routes" traffic across the NICs.

> Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?

Buy hub. Unbox it. Plug in AC power. Plug in computers. Have a beer.


--
Jason Clishe
Remove NOSPAM when replying

[Joel Estes]

You are getting some bad info below this. My setup is as follows: 1. Cable
connected to Modem 2. Modem connected to HUB 3. Each computer connected to
the HUB. This works perfectly and each computer acts as a standalone system
each with its own IP address. This configuration allows each computer to act
independent of a "network" system and/or a Router, which causes problems.
Both computers can be "online" and active at the same time without any
interface or interference. Beware of who you pay attention to, lots of
people do not know what they speak. Also, check with your ISP, hopefuly you
can get a advanced thinking one.

Joel

" > wrote in message
om...
> "Joel Estes" > wrote in message
>...
> > I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is totaly
> > independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking ISP
that
> > provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is
cable
> > at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
switch?
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> > cannot get my
> > > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> > have all the updates
> > > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> > video chat with another
> > > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> > compatible with messenger?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
switch?
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > >
>
> Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
> computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
> Warner's RoadRunner Service.
>
> Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
>
> Thanks so much!

[Jason Clishe]

Sorry, but your information is not accurate. You suggestion to beware of who
you pay attention to holds true to your own information! You *must* have a
router in there somewhere. Simply plugging a cable modem into a standard hub
will *NOT* give you access to the Internet.

Either your "hub" is really a router, or one of your PC's has Internet
Connection Sharing enabled.

What is the exact brand and model of your "hub"?

--
Jason Clishe
Remove NOSPAM when replying


"Joel Estes" > wrote in message
...
> You are getting some bad info below this. My setup is as follows: 1.
Cable
> connected to Modem 2. Modem connected to HUB 3. Each computer connected
to
> the HUB. This works perfectly and each computer acts as a standalone
system
> each with its own IP address. This configuration allows each computer to
act
> independent of a "network" system and/or a Router, which causes problems.
> Both computers can be "online" and active at the same time without any
> interface or interference. Beware of who you pay attention to, lots of
> people do not know what they speak. Also, check with your ISP, hopefuly
you
> can get a advanced thinking one.
>
> Joel
>
> " > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Joel Estes" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is
totaly
> > > independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking
ISP
> that
> > > provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is
> cable
> > > at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > > "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> switch?
> > > >
> > > > thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > > > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > > > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > > > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> > > cannot get my
> > > > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> > > have all the updates
> > > > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> > > video chat with another
> > > > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> > > compatible with messenger?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> switch?
> > > >
> > > > thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
> > computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
> > Warner's RoadRunner Service.
> >
> > Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
> >
> > Thanks so much!
>
>

[Joel Estes]

It is a Link/RX and is a nine port 10MBPS Ethernet Hub and it works. And NO
Internet Connection Sharing.

BTW, I did not say you give bad info, do you have some problem???

Joel

"Jason Clishe" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry, but your information is not accurate. You suggestion to beware of
who
> you pay attention to holds true to your own information! You *must* have a
> router in there somewhere. Simply plugging a cable modem into a standard
hub
> will *NOT* give you access to the Internet.
>
> Either your "hub" is really a router, or one of your PC's has Internet
> Connection Sharing enabled.
>
> What is the exact brand and model of your "hub"?
>
> --
> Jason Clishe
> Remove NOSPAM when replying
>
>
> "Joel Estes" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You are getting some bad info below this. My setup is as follows: 1.
> Cable
> > connected to Modem 2. Modem connected to HUB 3. Each computer connected
> to
> > the HUB. This works perfectly and each computer acts as a standalone
> system
> > each with its own IP address. This configuration allows each computer to
> act
> > independent of a "network" system and/or a Router, which causes
problems.
> > Both computers can be "online" and active at the same time without any
> > interface or interference. Beware of who you pay attention to, lots of
> > people do not know what they speak. Also, check with your ISP, hopefuly
> you
> > can get a advanced thinking one.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > " > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > "Joel Estes" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is
> totaly
> > > > independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking
> ISP
> > that
> > > > provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which
is
> > cable
> > > > at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
> > > >
> > > > Joel
> > > >
> > > > "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> > switch?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > > > > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > > > > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > > > > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> > > > cannot get my
> > > > > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> > > > have all the updates
> > > > > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> > > > video chat with another
> > > > > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> > > > compatible with messenger?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> > switch?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
> > > computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
> > > Warner's RoadRunner Service.
> > >
> > > Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
> > >
> > > Thanks so much!
> >
> >
>
>

[Dan (Still going in circles)]

On 12 May 2003 17:22:07 -0700,
) wrote:

>"Joel Estes" > wrote in message >...
>> I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is totaly
>> independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking ISP that
>> provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is cable
>> at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
>> >
>> > thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "gilbert" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
>> > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
>> > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
>> > > which tends to do more harm than good.
>> > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
>> cannot get my
>> > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
>> have all the updates
>> > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
>> > > >
>> > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
>> video chat with another
>> > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
>> compatible with messenger?
>> > > >
>> > > >Thanks..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >.
>> > > >
>> >
>> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or switch?
>> >
>> > thanks!
>> >
>> >
>
>Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
>computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
>Warner's RoadRunner Service.
>
>Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
>
>Thanks so much!


I have a Road Runner Modem which is actually a router, you can not
program what ports can and can not be used. I have a Netgear Hub
which allows me to connect up to 4 pc's to the modem and be on line at
the same time. Some hubs come with a firewall that you can control as
well as the different ports. It usually isn't that hard to setup.


Dan (Still going in circles)

[Joel Estes]

I suggest that you contact your ISP and discuss some methods such as the one
here. Like I said, I have a advanced thinking ISP and they have allowed up
to three computers to be connected thru a HUB with each one having it own
independent IP address and therefore each one acts totally independent of
the other. I can call the other computer just like I would any other
computer in another part of the country.

Joel

"Dan (Still going in circles)" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 May 2003 17:22:07 -0700,
> ) wrote:
>
> >"Joel Estes" > wrote in message
>...
> >> I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is
totaly
> >> independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking ISP
that
> >> provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which is
cable
> >> at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
switch?
> >> >
> >> > thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> >> > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> >> > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> >> > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> >> > >
> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> >> cannot get my
> >> > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> >> have all the updates
> >> > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> >> video chat with another
> >> > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> >> compatible with messenger?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Thanks..
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >.
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
switch?
> >> >
> >> > thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
> >computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
> >Warner's RoadRunner Service.
> >
> >Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
> >
> >Thanks so much!
>
>
> I have a Road Runner Modem which is actually a router, you can not
> program what ports can and can not be used. I have a Netgear Hub
> which allows me to connect up to 4 pc's to the modem and be on line at
> the same time. Some hubs come with a firewall that you can control as
> well as the different ports. It usually isn't that hard to setup.
>
>
> Dan (Still going in circles)

[Joel Estes]

BTW, I had some contact with a fellow in New York City that had Road Runner
and they really treated him badly, nothing really worked like it should.

Joel

"Joel Estes" > wrote in message
...
> I suggest that you contact your ISP and discuss some methods such as the
one
> here. Like I said, I have a advanced thinking ISP and they have allowed
up
> to three computers to be connected thru a HUB with each one having it own
> independent IP address and therefore each one acts totally independent of
> the other. I can call the other computer just like I would any other
> computer in another part of the country.
>
> Joel
>
> "Dan (Still going in circles)" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 12 May 2003 17:22:07 -0700,
> > ) wrote:
> >
> > >"Joel Estes" > wrote in message
> >...
> > >> I use a HUB for two computers and it works perfectly, each one is
> totaly
> > >> independent of the other. Of course, I do have a advanced thinking
ISP
> that
> > >> provides up to three IP addresses in the cost of the product, which
is
> cable
> > >> at 1 million bps, along with Spam control and such.
> > >>
> > >> Joel
> > >>
> > >> "Robert Riehl" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> switch?
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "gilbert" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> > > Dump your router and get yourself a Switch or a Hub.
> > >> > > At least these devices do not contain a built-in firewall
> > >> > > (why is there no option to disable such a function)
> > >> > > which tends to do more harm than good.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >I have read and re-read this newsgroup and no matter what
> > >> cannot get my
> > >> > > >Linksys BEFSR41 router to work with Messenger 5.0. I
> > >> have all the updates
> > >> > > >and the latest firmware but still nothing.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Are there any alternative programs out there to hold
> > >> video chat with another
> > >> > > >person? Or, are there any other routers that are
> > >> compatible with messenger?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Thanks..
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >.
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Will I still be able to share my internet connection with a hub or
> switch?
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >Then what is the difference between a router and a hub? Can 2
> > >computers use the internet at the same time with a HUB? I have Time
> > >Warner's RoadRunner Service.
> > >
> > >Also, How would I go about setting up a hub?
> > >
> > >Thanks so much!
> >
> >
> > I have a Road Runner Modem which is actually a router, you can not
> > program what ports can and can not be used. I have a Netgear Hub
> > which allows me to connect up to 4 pc's to the modem and be on line at
> > the same time. Some hubs come with a firewall that you can control as
> > well as the different ports. It usually isn't that hard to setup.
> >
> >
> > Dan (Still going in circles)
>
>

[Evan Joanette]

People are right that you CAN use a hub for the net. The criteria to make
it WORK though, is that your service provider (ask them...not us) allows you
to use more than ONE ip address. Sometimes two or more ip's are possible...
sometimes for free, sometimes for pay.

If not, you'll have to use a router, which can share ONE ip address,
without the requirements of having additional ip's.