sending files and Video issues

[Jerry H]

I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web cams.
I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and chat with
others but anyone outside the local network I can't send
files or do video conferencing. What steps are necessary
to open ports and which ones, on my router.
Also another question is why can't you do video
conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and MSN
messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error saying
only supported on XP, any way around this.

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Greetings Jerry,

In order to send files or have voice/video conversations through your router, the router will
either need to support built-in support for Messenger or have support for Universal Plug and
Play (UPnP) (MSN Messenger 5 is also required for UPnP file transfer). A number of routers
(wireless or otherwise) have support for UPnP, check with your router manufacturer's website
to see if there's a firmware update to allow your router to support UPnP (or simply tell us
what router you have and we'll look it up for you). If you do upgrade your routers firmware,
and it then supports UPnP, make sure that you turn it on in the router and reboot before you
try a voice/video conversation again. Also, as I said above, you'll need to use MSN
Messenger 5 (http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?client=1) to use UPnP file
transfer, Windows Messenger 4.x does not have this support.

Built-in video conversations are only available on Windows XP. There are two ways to have a
video conversation with someone on a previous version of Windows. Firstly, you can use
Netmeeting (which is available for nearly every Windows version). To start Netmeeting, just
have the user on Windows 2000 to click the Actions menu in their Messenger client, then click
Start Netmeeting (this option is disabled by default in Windows XP). The second option is to
both use MSN Messenger 5 and use this Logitech Add-on:
http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Jerry H" > wrote in message
...
> I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web cams.
> I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and chat with
> others but anyone outside the local network I can't send
> files or do video conferencing. What steps are necessary
> to open ports and which ones, on my router.
> Also another question is why can't you do video
> conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and MSN
> messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error saying
> only supported on XP, any way around this.
>

[Jerry H]

Thank you for the information, i see now its not so easy
to setup outside the network. I have a DI-614+ wireless
router i dont remember about Upnp support on mine but i
will check on it. i believe i downloaded the latest
firmware but i will check.
i have a few questions if you dont mind, the MSN
messenger installed and updated automatically by XP is
not 5? so the 5 version is totally different right that i
think 4.7 on XP.
also if i install Version 5, does the person i want to
chat with with video required version 5 or can they stay
with 4.7. they are not behind any firewall or anything.

i also did see the Logitech web cam software so i can
make it work under other operating systems. can that be
used with XP also with out using Version 5 or not. thank
you for your time i will check on the UPnp features for
my router.
>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings Jerry,
>
>In order to send files or have voice/video conversations
through your router, the router will
>either need to support built-in support for Messenger or
have support for Universal Plug and
>Play (UPnP) (MSN Messenger 5 is also required for UPnP
file transfer). A number of routers
>(wireless or otherwise) have support for UPnP, check
with your router manufacturer's website
>to see if there's a firmware update to allow your router
to support UPnP (or simply tell us
>what router you have and we'll look it up for you). If
you do upgrade your routers firmware,
>and it then supports UPnP, make sure that you turn it on
in the router and reboot before you
>try a voice/video conversation again. Also, as I said
above, you'll need to use MSN
>Messenger 5
(http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?client=1)
to use UPnP file
>transfer, Windows Messenger 4.x does not have this
support.
>
>Built-in video conversations are only available on
Windows XP. There are two ways to have a
>video conversation with someone on a previous version of
Windows. Firstly, you can use
>Netmeeting (which is available for nearly every Windows
version). To start Netmeeting, just
>have the user on Windows 2000 to click the Actions menu
in their Messenger client, then click
>Start Netmeeting (this option is disabled by default in
Windows XP). The second option is to
>both use MSN Messenger 5 and use this Logitech Add-on:
>http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Jerry H" > wrote in message
...
>> I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web
cams.
>> I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and chat
with
>> others but anyone outside the local network I can't
send
>> files or do video conferencing. What steps are
necessary
>> to open ports and which ones, on my router.
>> Also another question is why can't you do video
>> conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and MSN
>> messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error
saying
>> only supported on XP, any way around this.
>>
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Jerry,

The DI-614+ is supposed to have UPnP support with version 2.1 and above of its firmware,
although I haven't seen any real user experiences on it.

Yes, MSN Messenger 5 is different from Windows Messenger 4.x (built-in to Windows XP). The
Logitech addition can be used on any version of Windows (98 and above) with MSN Messenger 5
(it does not work with Windows Messenger), however be aware, that this is not the same as the
built-in video support in Messenger (XP only), and is even started differently (Actions menu,
Start Webcam for MSN Messenger).
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Jerry H" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you for the information, i see now its not so easy
> to setup outside the network. I have a DI-614+ wireless
> router i dont remember about Upnp support on mine but i
> will check on it. i believe i downloaded the latest
> firmware but i will check.
> i have a few questions if you dont mind, the MSN
> messenger installed and updated automatically by XP is
> not 5? so the 5 version is totally different right that i
> think 4.7 on XP.
> also if i install Version 5, does the person i want to
> chat with with video required version 5 or can they stay
> with 4.7. they are not behind any firewall or anything.
>
> i also did see the Logitech web cam software so i can
> make it work under other operating systems. can that be
> used with XP also with out using Version 5 or not. thank
> you for your time i will check on the UPnp features for
> my router.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings Jerry,
> >
> >In order to send files or have voice/video conversations
> through your router, the router will
> >either need to support built-in support for Messenger or
> have support for Universal Plug and
> >Play (UPnP) (MSN Messenger 5 is also required for UPnP
> file transfer). A number of routers
> >(wireless or otherwise) have support for UPnP, check
> with your router manufacturer's website
> >to see if there's a firmware update to allow your router
> to support UPnP (or simply tell us
> >what router you have and we'll look it up for you). If
> you do upgrade your routers firmware,
> >and it then supports UPnP, make sure that you turn it on
> in the router and reboot before you
> >try a voice/video conversation again. Also, as I said
> above, you'll need to use MSN
> >Messenger 5
> (http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?client=1)
> to use UPnP file
> >transfer, Windows Messenger 4.x does not have this
> support.
> >
> >Built-in video conversations are only available on
> Windows XP. There are two ways to have a
> >video conversation with someone on a previous version of
> Windows. Firstly, you can use
> >Netmeeting (which is available for nearly every Windows
> version). To start Netmeeting, just
> >have the user on Windows 2000 to click the Actions menu
> in their Messenger client, then click
> >Start Netmeeting (this option is disabled by default in
> Windows XP). The second option is to
> >both use MSN Messenger 5 and use this Logitech Add-on:
> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp.
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >"Jerry H" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web
> cams.
> >> I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and chat
> with
> >> others but anyone outside the local network I can't
> send
> >> files or do video conferencing. What steps are
> necessary
> >> to open ports and which ones, on my router.
> >> Also another question is why can't you do video
> >> conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and MSN
> >> messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error
> saying
> >> only supported on XP, any way around this.
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Jerry H]

thanks again for you info and time. i will give all this
a shot.
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Jerry,
>
>The DI-614+ is supposed to have UPnP support with
version 2.1 and above of its firmware,
>although I haven't seen any real user experiences on it.
>
>Yes, MSN Messenger 5 is different from Windows Messenger
4.x (built-in to Windows XP). The
>Logitech addition can be used on any version of Windows
(98 and above) with MSN Messenger 5
>(it does not work with Windows Messenger), however be
aware, that this is not the same as the
>built-in video support in Messenger (XP only), and is
even started differently (Actions menu,
>Start Webcam for MSN Messenger).
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Jerry H" > wrote in message
...
>> Thank you for the information, i see now its not so
easy
>> to setup outside the network. I have a DI-614+ wireless
>> router i dont remember about Upnp support on mine but i
>> will check on it. i believe i downloaded the latest
>> firmware but i will check.
>> i have a few questions if you dont mind, the MSN
>> messenger installed and updated automatically by XP is
>> not 5? so the 5 version is totally different right
that i
>> think 4.7 on XP.
>> also if i install Version 5, does the person i want to
>> chat with with video required version 5 or can they
stay
>> with 4.7. they are not behind any firewall or anything.
>>
>> i also did see the Logitech web cam software so i can
>> make it work under other operating systems. can that be
>> used with XP also with out using Version 5 or not.
thank
>> you for your time i will check on the UPnp features for
>> my router.
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Greetings Jerry,
>> >
>> >In order to send files or have voice/video
conversations
>> through your router, the router will
>> >either need to support built-in support for Messenger
or
>> have support for Universal Plug and
>> >Play (UPnP) (MSN Messenger 5 is also required for UPnP
>> file transfer). A number of routers
>> >(wireless or otherwise) have support for UPnP, check
>> with your router manufacturer's website
>> >to see if there's a firmware update to allow your
router
>> to support UPnP (or simply tell us
>> >what router you have and we'll look it up for you).
If
>> you do upgrade your routers firmware,
>> >and it then supports UPnP, make sure that you turn it
on
>> in the router and reboot before you
>> >try a voice/video conversation again. Also, as I said
>> above, you'll need to use MSN
>> >Messenger 5
>> (http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?
client=1)
>> to use UPnP file
>> >transfer, Windows Messenger 4.x does not have this
>> support.
>> >
>> >Built-in video conversations are only available on
>> Windows XP. There are two ways to have a
>> >video conversation with someone on a previous version
of
>> Windows. Firstly, you can use
>> >Netmeeting (which is available for nearly every
Windows
>> version). To start Netmeeting, just
>> >have the user on Windows 2000 to click the Actions
menu
>> in their Messenger client, then click
>> >Start Netmeeting (this option is disabled by default
in
>> Windows XP). The second option is to
>> >both use MSN Messenger 5 and use this Logitech Add-on:
>> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp.
>> >____________________________________________
>> >Jonathan Kay
>> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >Associate Expert
>> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >"Jerry H" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web
>> cams.
>> >> I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and chat
>> with
>> >> others but anyone outside the local network I can't
>> send
>> >> files or do video conferencing. What steps are
>> necessary
>> >> to open ports and which ones, on my router.
>> >> Also another question is why can't you do video
>> >> conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and MSN
>> >> messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error
>> saying
>> >> only supported on XP, any way around this.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Jerry H]

i'm sorry i have one more question, i got instructions
from dlink on how to set it up with upnp. big question so
i have my systems setup correctly, if the person i want
to speak to doesnt have msn messenger 5 would it work or
they have to change to msn messenger 5
>-----Original Message-----
>thanks again for you info and time. i will give all this
>a shot.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hi Jerry,
>>
>>The DI-614+ is supposed to have UPnP support with
>version 2.1 and above of its firmware,
>>although I haven't seen any real user experiences on it.
>>
>>Yes, MSN Messenger 5 is different from Windows
Messenger
>4.x (built-in to Windows XP). The
>>Logitech addition can be used on any version of Windows
>(98 and above) with MSN Messenger 5
>>(it does not work with Windows Messenger), however be
>aware, that this is not the same as the
>>built-in video support in Messenger (XP only), and is
>even started differently (Actions menu,
>>Start Webcam for MSN Messenger).
>>____________________________________________
>>Jonathan Kay
>>Windows MVP, Messenger
>>Associate Expert
>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>
>>"Jerry H" > wrote in message
...
>>> Thank you for the information, i see now its not so
>easy
>>> to setup outside the network. I have a DI-614+
wireless
>>> router i dont remember about Upnp support on mine but
i
>>> will check on it. i believe i downloaded the latest
>>> firmware but i will check.
>>> i have a few questions if you dont mind, the MSN
>>> messenger installed and updated automatically by XP is
>>> not 5? so the 5 version is totally different right
>that i
>>> think 4.7 on XP.
>>> also if i install Version 5, does the person i want to
>>> chat with with video required version 5 or can they
>stay
>>> with 4.7. they are not behind any firewall or
anything.
>>>
>>> i also did see the Logitech web cam software so i can
>>> make it work under other operating systems. can that
be
>>> used with XP also with out using Version 5 or not.
>thank
>>> you for your time i will check on the UPnp features
for
>>> my router.
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >Greetings Jerry,
>>> >
>>> >In order to send files or have voice/video
>conversations
>>> through your router, the router will
>>> >either need to support built-in support for
Messenger
>or
>>> have support for Universal Plug and
>>> >Play (UPnP) (MSN Messenger 5 is also required for
UPnP
>>> file transfer). A number of routers
>>> >(wireless or otherwise) have support for UPnP, check
>>> with your router manufacturer's website
>>> >to see if there's a firmware update to allow your
>router
>>> to support UPnP (or simply tell us
>>> >what router you have and we'll look it up for you).
>If
>>> you do upgrade your routers firmware,
>>> >and it then supports UPnP, make sure that you turn
it
>on
>>> in the router and reboot before you
>>> >try a voice/video conversation again. Also, as I
said
>>> above, you'll need to use MSN
>>> >Messenger 5
>>> (http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?
>client=1)
>>> to use UPnP file
>>> >transfer, Windows Messenger 4.x does not have this
>>> support.
>>> >
>>> >Built-in video conversations are only available on
>>> Windows XP. There are two ways to have a
>>> >video conversation with someone on a previous
version
>of
>>> Windows. Firstly, you can use
>>> >Netmeeting (which is available for nearly every
>Windows
>>> version). To start Netmeeting, just
>>> >have the user on Windows 2000 to click the Actions
>menu
>>> in their Messenger client, then click
>>> >Start Netmeeting (this option is disabled by default
>in
>>> Windows XP). The second option is to
>>> >both use MSN Messenger 5 and use this Logitech Add-
on:
>>> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp.
>>> >____________________________________________
>>> >Jonathan Kay
>>> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>>> >Associate Expert
>>> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>> >Messenger Resources -
http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>> >
>>> >"Jerry H" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >> I have MSN messenger in my local network, with web
>>> cams.
>>> >> I'm behind a wireless router. I can connect and
chat
>>> with
>>> >> others but anyone outside the local network I can't
>>> send
>>> >> files or do video conferencing. What steps are
>>> necessary
>>> >> to open ports and which ones, on my router.
>>> >> Also another question is why can't you do video
>>> >> conferring between, windows xp MSN messenger and
MSN
>>> >> messenger on windows 2000 machines I get an error
>>> saying
>>> >> only supported on XP, any way around this.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >.
>>> >
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>