Attn: John Holmes (Please <g>) Cisco 678 Router problem (maybe?) re: fle transfer/voice/etc.

[David Day]

Hi, John and All!
I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN sharing a
Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using either
Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive instant
messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video, etc. (we
can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco 678? There
is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on Qwest's
site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available. Should I
install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for this
problem?
Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!

David Day

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Greetings David,

My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.

In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below the NAT (router in this
case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application Layer Gateway (ALG) for
Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN Messenger 5 required for UPnP
file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support in the 678, nor do they have
a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able to get these functions to
work.

You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for Messenger:
http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk

or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN Messenger 6, Windows
Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com


"David Day" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, John and All!
> I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN sharing a
> Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using either
> Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive instant
> messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video, etc. (we
> can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco 678? There
> is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on Qwest's
> site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available. Should I
> install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for this
> problem?
> Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
>
> David Day
>
>
>

[David Day]

Thanks, John! I didn't mean to slight you - I had just noticed that John
Holmes had responded to a couple other questions on similar issues. I
appreciate your prompt response, though I was distressed at the information.
I have tried Windows Messenger 4.7 and MSN Messenger 5.0, with identical
results. I'm up for beta-testing Windows Messenger 5 to see if it resolves
these problems - do you have any idea how I would get the opportunity?
David Day

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings David,
>
> My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.
>
> In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below the NAT
(router in this
> case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application Layer
Gateway (ALG) for
> Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN Messenger 5
required for UPnP
> file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support in the
678, nor do they have
> a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able to get
these functions to
> work.
>
> You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for Messenger:
> http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk
>
> or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN
Messenger 6, Windows
> Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
> "David Day" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi, John and All!
> > I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN sharing a
> > Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using either
> > Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive instant
> > messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video, etc.
(we
> > can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco 678?
There
> > is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on Qwest's
> > site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available.
Should I
> > install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for this
> > problem?
> > Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
> >
> > David Day
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi David,

Yes, Windows Messenger 4.x and MSN Messenger 5 essentially use voice/video in the same way,
with the addition of UPnP file transfer in MSN Messenger 5. Windows Messenger 5 (beta wise)
is somewhat slowed at the moment, a public preview of MSN Messenger 6 will be out fairly
shortly, so you can try using that soon.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"David Day" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks, John! I didn't mean to slight you - I had just noticed that John
> Holmes had responded to a couple other questions on similar issues. I
> appreciate your prompt response, though I was distressed at the information.
> I have tried Windows Messenger 4.7 and MSN Messenger 5.0, with identical
> results. I'm up for beta-testing Windows Messenger 5 to see if it resolves
> these problems - do you have any idea how I would get the opportunity?
> David Day
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Greetings David,
> >
> > My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.
> >
> > In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below the NAT
> (router in this
> > case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application Layer
> Gateway (ALG) for
> > Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN Messenger 5
> required for UPnP
> > file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support in the
> 678, nor do they have
> > a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able to get
> these functions to
> > work.
> >
> > You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for Messenger:
> > http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk
> >
> > or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN
> Messenger 6, Windows
> > Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi, John and All!
> > > I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN sharing a
> > > Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using either
> > > Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive instant
> > > messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video, etc.
> (we
> > > can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco 678?
> There
> > > is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on Qwest's
> > > site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available.
> Should I
> > > install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for this
> > > problem?
> > > Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
> > >
> > > David Day
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[John Holmes [MSFT]]

I'd also suggest trying out MSN Messenger 6 when the preview of that is
released. It should work much better with a non-UPnP router.

--
John Holmes
Developer, MSN Messenger

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
newsgroup purposes only.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi David,
>
> Yes, Windows Messenger 4.x and MSN Messenger 5 essentially use voice/video
in the same way,
> with the addition of UPnP file transfer in MSN Messenger 5. Windows
Messenger 5 (beta wise)
> is somewhat slowed at the moment, a public preview of MSN Messenger 6 will
be out fairly
> shortly, so you can try using that soon.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
> "David Day" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks, John! I didn't mean to slight you - I had just noticed that
John
> > Holmes had responded to a couple other questions on similar issues. I
> > appreciate your prompt response, though I was distressed at the
information.
> > I have tried Windows Messenger 4.7 and MSN Messenger 5.0, with identical
> > results. I'm up for beta-testing Windows Messenger 5 to see if it
resolves
> > these problems - do you have any idea how I would get the opportunity?
> > David Day
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Greetings David,
> > >
> > > My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.
> > >
> > > In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below the
NAT
> > (router in this
> > > case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application Layer
> > Gateway (ALG) for
> > > Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN
Messenger 5
> > required for UPnP
> > > file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support in
the
> > 678, nor do they have
> > > a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able to
get
> > these functions to
> > > work.
> > >
> > > You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for
Messenger:
> > > http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk
> > >
> > > or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN
> > Messenger 6, Windows
> > > Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi, John and All!
> > > > I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN
sharing a
> > > > Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using
either
> > > > Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive
instant
> > > > messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video,
etc.
> > (we
> > > > can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco 678?
> > There
> > > > is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on
Qwest's
> > > > site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available.
> > Should I
> > > > install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for
this
> > > > problem?
> > > > Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
> > > >
> > > > David Day
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[David Day]

OK, so I am considering upgrading my Cisco 678. I am currently using it on
a home LAN, connected by 10/100 ethernet to a Linksys 5-port hub. Will you
share your recommendation for upgrades to equipment that will handle all the
bells and whistles available in Windows Messenger 4.7?
Dave

"John Holmes [MSFT]" > wrote in message
...
> I'd also suggest trying out MSN Messenger 6 when the preview of that is
> released. It should work much better with a non-UPnP router.
>
> --
> John Holmes
> Developer, MSN Messenger
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only.
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Yes, Windows Messenger 4.x and MSN Messenger 5 essentially use
voice/video
> in the same way,
> > with the addition of UPnP file transfer in MSN Messenger 5. Windows
> Messenger 5 (beta wise)
> > is somewhat slowed at the moment, a public preview of MSN Messenger 6
will
> be out fairly
> > shortly, so you can try using that soon.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks, John! I didn't mean to slight you - I had just noticed that
> John
> > > Holmes had responded to a couple other questions on similar issues. I
> > > appreciate your prompt response, though I was distressed at the
> information.
> > > I have tried Windows Messenger 4.7 and MSN Messenger 5.0, with
identical
> > > results. I'm up for beta-testing Windows Messenger 5 to see if it
> resolves
> > > these problems - do you have any idea how I would get the opportunity?
> > > David Day
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Greetings David,
> > > >
> > > > My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.
> > > >
> > > > In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below
the
> NAT
> > > (router in this
> > > > case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application
Layer
> > > Gateway (ALG) for
> > > > Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN
> Messenger 5
> > > required for UPnP
> > > > file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support in
> the
> > > 678, nor do they have
> > > > a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able
to
> get
> > > these functions to
> > > > work.
> > > >
> > > > You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for
> Messenger:
> > > > http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk
> > > >
> > > > or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN
> > > Messenger 6, Windows
> > > > Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
> > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi, John and All!
> > > > > I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN
> sharing a
> > > > > Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using
> either
> > > > > Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive
> instant
> > > > > messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice, video,
> etc.
> > > (we
> > > > > can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco
678?
> > > There
> > > > > is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on
> Qwest's
> > > > > site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest available.
> > > Should I
> > > > > install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit for
> this
> > > > > problem?
> > > > > Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
> > > > >
> > > > > David Day
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[John Holmes [MSFT]]

The Microsoft hardware routers work perfectly in our lab.

--
John Holmes
Developer, MSN Messenger

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
newsgroup purposes only.


"David Day" > wrote in message
...
> OK, so I am considering upgrading my Cisco 678. I am currently using it
on
> a home LAN, connected by 10/100 ethernet to a Linksys 5-port hub. Will
you
> share your recommendation for upgrades to equipment that will handle all
the
> bells and whistles available in Windows Messenger 4.7?
> Dave
>
> "John Holmes [MSFT]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'd also suggest trying out MSN Messenger 6 when the preview of that is
> > released. It should work much better with a non-UPnP router.
> >
> > --
> > John Holmes
> > Developer, MSN Messenger
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> > Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> > newsgroup purposes only.
> >
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > Yes, Windows Messenger 4.x and MSN Messenger 5 essentially use
> voice/video
> > in the same way,
> > > with the addition of UPnP file transfer in MSN Messenger 5. Windows
> > Messenger 5 (beta wise)
> > > is somewhat slowed at the moment, a public preview of MSN Messenger 6
> will
> > be out fairly
> > > shortly, so you can try using that soon.
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > >
> > > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Thanks, John! I didn't mean to slight you - I had just noticed that
> > John
> > > > Holmes had responded to a couple other questions on similar issues.
I
> > > > appreciate your prompt response, though I was distressed at the
> > information.
> > > > I have tried Windows Messenger 4.7 and MSN Messenger 5.0, with
> identical
> > > > results. I'm up for beta-testing Windows Messenger 5 to see if it
> > resolves
> > > > these problems - do you have any idea how I would get the
opportunity?
> > > > David Day
> > > >
> > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Greetings David,
> > > > >
> > > > > My name isn't John Holmes, but it's close enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to use the features of Messenger that you described below
> the
> > NAT
> > > > (router in this
> > > > > case) needs to support either some type of built-in Application
> Layer
> > > > Gateway (ALG) for
> > > > > Messenger or have Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (MSN
> > Messenger 5
> > > > required for UPnP
> > > > > file transfer). Unfortunately Cisco hasn't put any UPnP support
in
> > the
> > > > 678, nor do they have
> > > > > a Messenger ALG (as far as I know), and as such, you won't be able
> to
> > get
> > > > these functions to
> > > > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > You may however, be able to use voice/video by using ENat for
> > Messenger:
> > > > > http://www.easyfp.com/msn-messenger-directtalk
> > > > >
> > > > > or you can wait for the next generation of Messenger clients (MSN
> > > > Messenger 6, Windows
> > > > > Messenger 5) which will address some of these issues.
> > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "David Day" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Hi, John and All!
> > > > > > I have three computers running WinXP (2 Home, 1 Pro) on a LAN
> > sharing a
> > > > > > Cisco 678 DSL Router (CBOS version 2.4.6). No firewall. Using
> > either
> > > > > > Windows Messenger 4.7 or MSN Messenger 5.0, we can send/receive
> > instant
> > > > > > messages just fine. We CANNOT send pictures or use voice,
video,
> > etc.
> > > > (we
> > > > > > can RECEIVE pictures). Is this a problem related to the Cisco
> 678?
> > > > There
> > > > > > is a newer CBOS (2.4.7) floating around the internet, but NOT on
> > Qwest's
> > > > > > site (my DSL provider), where my version is the newest
available.
> > > > Should I
> > > > > > install the newer CBOS? Is there some other probable culprit
for
> > this
> > > > > > problem?
> > > > > > Looking forward to some assistance from the good netizens here!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Day
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>