What's the Difference ?

[Yu Ling]

What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Greetings,

The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video support in Windows XP (and available only on
Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start Webcam for MSN Messenger" is a separate
addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which works on all Windows versions.
Downloadable here:
http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?

[Yu Ling]

how does the webcam thing function ?


>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings,
>
>The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video support
in Windows XP (and available only on
>Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start Webcam
for MSN Messenger" is a separate
>addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which works
on all Windows versions.
>Downloadable here:
>http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
>> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
>> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech and actually loads up their program to
use it. If you want more technical info, I can give it to you (not 100% sure what you're
trying to find out).
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> how does the webcam thing function ?
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings,
> >
> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video support
> in Windows XP (and available only on
> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start Webcam
> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which works
> on all Windows versions.
> >Downloadable here:
> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Yu Ling]

Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do the "Start
Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are they for
the same purpose : teleconferencing ?

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech and
actually loads up their program to
>use it. If you want more technical info, I can give it
to you (not 100% sure what you're
>trying to find out).
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
>> how does the webcam thing function ?
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Greetings,
>> >
>> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video support
>> in Windows XP (and available only on
>> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start
Webcam
>> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
>> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which works
>> on all Windows versions.
>> >Downloadable here:
>> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
>> >____________________________________________
>> >Jonathan Kay
>> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >Associate Expert
>> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
>> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

No problem (just thought I should clarify before writing a novel you don't want). The Start
Webcam option is basically for just seeing your contact (there's no audio), whereas the Start
Camera ("Start Video Conference" in MSN Messenger 6) option is primarily for
videoconferencing, and includes audio.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do the "Start
> Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are they for
> the same purpose : teleconferencing ?
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi,
> >
> >The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech and
> actually loads up their program to
> >use it. If you want more technical info, I can give it
> to you (not 100% sure what you're
> >trying to find out).
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> how does the webcam thing function ?
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Greetings,
> >> >
> >> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video support
> >> in Windows XP (and available only on
> >> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start
> Webcam
> >> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
> >> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which works
> >> on all Windows versions.
> >> >Downloadable here:
> >> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >
> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for MSN
> >> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Yu Ling]

Thanks for your replies. I'm basically familiar with MSN
Messenger now but there's one problem left. During
videoconferencing the other side can't hear me although
I'm pretty sure that my mic is working fine.


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>No problem (just thought I should clarify before writing
a novel you don't want). The Start
>Webcam option is basically for just seeing your contact
(there's no audio), whereas the Start
>Camera ("Start Video Conference" in MSN Messenger 6)
option is primarily for
>videoconferencing, and includes audio.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
>> Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do
the "Start
>> Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are they
for
>> the same purpose : teleconferencing ?
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech
and
>> actually loads up their program to
>> >use it. If you want more technical info, I can give it
>> to you (not 100% sure what you're
>> >trying to find out).
>> >____________________________________________
>> >Jonathan Kay
>> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >Associate Expert
>> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> how does the webcam thing function ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Greetings,
>> >> >
>> >> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video
support
>> >> in Windows XP (and available only on
>> >> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start
>> Webcam
>> >> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
>> >> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which
works
>> >> on all Windows versions.
>> >> >Downloadable here:
>> >> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
>> >> >____________________________________________
>> >> >Jonathan Kay
>> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >> >Associate Expert
>> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >> >Messenger Resources -
http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >> >
>> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for
MSN
>> >> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

It sounds like something on your contacts' side might be blocking your audio communication.

You might want to ask them to try turning off the built-in Windows XP Internet Connection
Firewall. To do so, click Start, then click the Control Panel. If you're in category view
click Network and Internet connections then click Network Connections. Right click the
network/internet connection, then click Properties. Click the Advanced Tab, and verify that
the Internet Connection Firewall is unchecked. If your contact is using some other
third-party firewall, have them make sure that Messenger is set to 'Permit All', 'Allow All'
or 'Medium' (ZoneAlarm).

Also, if your contact is using an UPnP-enabled router, they might need to reset their UPnP
port forwardings. To do so, click Start, All Programs, Accessories, Communications, Network
Connections. Right-click the "Internet Gateway" (should be under the Internet Gateway
heading) and choose Properties. Choose the Settings button, click each 'msmsgs' or 'msnmsgr'
entry and then choose 'Delete' to each one. Then close Messenger (right-click the Messenger
icon, choose Exit), then restart Messenger.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com


"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for your replies. I'm basically familiar with MSN
> Messenger now but there's one problem left. During
> videoconferencing the other side can't hear me although
> I'm pretty sure that my mic is working fine.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi,
> >
> >No problem (just thought I should clarify before writing
> a novel you don't want). The Start
> >Webcam option is basically for just seeing your contact
> (there's no audio), whereas the Start
> >Camera ("Start Video Conference" in MSN Messenger 6)
> option is primarily for
> >videoconferencing, and includes audio.
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do
> the "Start
> >> Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are they
> for
> >> the same purpose : teleconferencing ?
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech
> and
> >> actually loads up their program to
> >> >use it. If you want more technical info, I can give it
> >> to you (not 100% sure what you're
> >> >trying to find out).
> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >
> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> how does the webcam thing function ?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Greetings,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video
> support
> >> >> in Windows XP (and available only on
> >> >> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients). The "Start
> >> Webcam
> >> >> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
> >> >> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which
> works
> >> >> on all Windows versions.
> >> >> >Downloadable here:
> >> >> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
> >> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >> >Messenger Resources -
> http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for
> MSN
> >> >> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Yu Ling]

Nope, I think the problem is on my end and probably has to
do with the program. I tried voice conferencing with Yahoo
Messenger and it worked.


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>It sounds like something on your contacts' side might be
blocking your audio communication.
>
>You might want to ask them to try turning off the built-
in Windows XP Internet Connection
>Firewall. To do so, click Start, then click the Control
Panel. If you're in category view
>click Network and Internet connections then click Network
Connections. Right click the
>network/internet connection, then click Properties. Click
the Advanced Tab, and verify that
>the Internet Connection Firewall is unchecked. If your
contact is using some other
>third-party firewall, have them make sure that Messenger
is set to 'Permit All', 'Allow All'
>or 'Medium' (ZoneAlarm).
>
>Also, if your contact is using an UPnP-enabled router,
they might need to reset their UPnP
>port forwardings. To do so, click Start, All Programs,
Accessories, Communications, Network
>Connections. Right-click the "Internet Gateway" (should
be under the Internet Gateway
>heading) and choose Properties. Choose the Settings
button, click each 'msmsgs' or 'msnmsgr'
>entry and then choose 'Delete' to each one. Then close
Messenger (right-click the Messenger
>icon, choose Exit), then restart Messenger.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
>"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
>> Thanks for your replies. I'm basically familiar with MSN
>> Messenger now but there's one problem left. During
>> videoconferencing the other side can't hear me although
>> I'm pretty sure that my mic is working fine.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >No problem (just thought I should clarify before
writing
>> a novel you don't want). The Start
>> >Webcam option is basically for just seeing your contact
>> (there's no audio), whereas the Start
>> >Camera ("Start Video Conference" in MSN Messenger 6)
>> option is primarily for
>> >videoconferencing, and includes audio.
>> >____________________________________________
>> >Jonathan Kay
>> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >Associate Expert
>> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do
>> the "Start
>> >> Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are
they
>> for
>> >> the same purpose : teleconferencing ?
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech
>> and
>> >> actually loads up their program to
>> >> >use it. If you want more technical info, I can
give it
>> >> to you (not 100% sure what you're
>> >> >trying to find out).
>> >> >____________________________________________
>> >> >Jonathan Kay
>> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >> >Associate Expert
>> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >> >Messenger Resources -
http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >> >
>> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> how does the webcam thing function ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Greetings,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video
>> support
>> >> >> in Windows XP (and available only on
>> >> >> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients).
The "Start
>> >> Webcam
>> >> >> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
>> >> >> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which
>> works
>> >> >> on all Windows versions.
>> >> >> >Downloadable here:
>> >> >> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
>> >> >> >____________________________________________
>> >> >> >Jonathan Kay
>> >> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >> >> >Associate Expert
>> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >> >> >Messenger Resources -
>> http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for
>> MSN
>> >> >> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi,

You really can't compare Yahoo Messenger and Windows Messenger 4.x/5.x or MSN Messenger
4.x/5.x (although MSN Messenger 6 is more comparable), simply because Yahoo has several ways
to connect you to your contact, and doesn't utilize Universal Plug and Play (UPnP).

Another thing you might want to try is turning off the QoS Packet Scheduler. To do so, click
Start, then
click the Control Panel. If you're in category view click Network and Internet connections
then click Network Connections. Right click your network/internet connection, then click
Properties. Uncheck the QoS Packet Scheduler, then reboot and try again.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> Nope, I think the problem is on my end and probably has to
> do with the program. I tried voice conferencing with Yahoo
> Messenger and it worked.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi,
> >
> >It sounds like something on your contacts' side might be
> blocking your audio communication.
> >
> >You might want to ask them to try turning off the built-
> in Windows XP Internet Connection
> >Firewall. To do so, click Start, then click the Control
> Panel. If you're in category view
> >click Network and Internet connections then click Network
> Connections. Right click the
> >network/internet connection, then click Properties. Click
> the Advanced Tab, and verify that
> >the Internet Connection Firewall is unchecked. If your
> contact is using some other
> >third-party firewall, have them make sure that Messenger
> is set to 'Permit All', 'Allow All'
> >or 'Medium' (ZoneAlarm).
> >
> >Also, if your contact is using an UPnP-enabled router,
> they might need to reset their UPnP
> >port forwardings. To do so, click Start, All Programs,
> Accessories, Communications, Network
> >Connections. Right-click the "Internet Gateway" (should
> be under the Internet Gateway
> >heading) and choose Properties. Choose the Settings
> button, click each 'msmsgs' or 'msnmsgr'
> >entry and then choose 'Delete' to each one. Then close
> Messenger (right-click the Messenger
> >icon, choose Exit), then restart Messenger.
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Thanks for your replies. I'm basically familiar with MSN
> >> Messenger now but there's one problem left. During
> >> videoconferencing the other side can't hear me although
> >> I'm pretty sure that my mic is working fine.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >No problem (just thought I should clarify before
> writing
> >> a novel you don't want). The Start
> >> >Webcam option is basically for just seeing your contact
> >> (there's no audio), whereas the Start
> >> >Camera ("Start Video Conference" in MSN Messenger 6)
> >> option is primarily for
> >> >videoconferencing, and includes audio.
> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >
> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Sorry for sounding vague. I was meaning how do
> >> the "Start
> >> >> Camera" and "Start Webcam" functions differ ? Are
> they
> >> for
> >> >> the same purpose : teleconferencing ?
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Webcam function is an add-on created by Logitech
> >> and
> >> >> actually loads up their program to
> >> >> >use it. If you want more technical info, I can
> give it
> >> >> to you (not 100% sure what you're
> >> >> >trying to find out).
> >> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >> >Messenger Resources -
> http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> how does the webcam thing function ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >Greetings,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The "Start Camera" option is the built-in video
> >> support
> >> >> >> in Windows XP (and available only on
> >> >> >> >Windows XP-running Messenger clients).
> The "Start
> >> >> Webcam
> >> >> >> for MSN Messenger" is a separate
> >> >> >> >addition from Logitech for MSN Messenger 5, which
> >> works
> >> >> >> on all Windows versions.
> >> >> >> >Downloadable here:
> >> >> >> >http://messenger.msn.com/support/webcam.asp
> >> >> >> >____________________________________________
> >> >> >> >Jonathan Kay
> >> >> >> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> >> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> >> >> >Messenger Resources -
> >> http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> What's the difference between "Start Webcam for
> >> MSN
> >> >> >> >> Messenger" and "Start Camera" ? Anybody ?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Gary L. Drescher]

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> > >It sounds like something on your contacts' side might be
> > blocking your audio communication.
> > >
> > >You might want to ask them to try turning off the built-
> > in Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall.

Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio won't work is like leaving
your front door unlocked because the doorbell won't work. It's a dangerous
work-around, and should certainly not be recommended without a warning.

If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own firewall, then it's simply
broken and we should use other software instead.

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Gary,

The Internet Connection Firewall does work with Messenger, but in some cases, it doesn't (due
to some UPnP issues).

It's much easier to address the problem with the ICF off.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com



"Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in message
news:8ajMa.9486$fG.4555@sccrnsc01...
> Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio won't work is like leaving
> your front door unlocked because the doorbell won't work. It's a dangerous
> work-around, and should certainly not be recommended without a warning.
>
> If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own firewall, then it's simply
> broken and we should use other software instead.
>
>

[Gary L. Drescher]

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> "Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in message
> news:8ajMa.9486$fG.4555@sccrnsc01...
> > Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio won't work
> > is like leaving your front door unlocked because the doorbell
> > won't work. It's a dangerous work-around, and should certainly
> > not be recommended without a warning.
> >
> > If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own firewall, then it's
> > simply broken and we should use other software instead.
>
> The Internet Connection Firewall does work with Messenger, but
> in some cases, it doesn't (due to some UPnP issues).

What cases are these? Is there a less dangerous way to address the problem
than by disabling the XP firewall?

I use MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Pro (all updates installed), UPnP service
running, XP firewall enabled (default settings), cable internet connection
(Comcast). I'm not behind any other firewall or router. I'm trying to
connect to a user who has MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Home (all updates
installed), UPnP service running, XP firewall enabled (default settings),
cable internet connection (Optonline), no other firewall or router. We can
exchange instant messages and video, but cannot make an audio connection.

> It's much easier to address the problem with the ICF off.

Perhaps it's easy, but it's not safe. You're providing step-by-step
instructions to novices for disabling their XP firewalls without even
telling them what a firewall is or what the consequences are of disabling
it. It's a bit like teaching four-year-olds how to open child-proof
containers. If I were a cracker trying to gain access to XP systems, one of
the first things I'd try to do is to socially-engineer a way to induce many
novices to inactivate their firewalls.

--Gary

> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

[Yu Ling]

So what do I do now ? Live with it ?

>-----Original Message-----
>"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" >
wrote in message
...
>> "Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in
message
>> news:8ajMa.9486$fG.4555@sccrnsc01...
>> > Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio
won't work
>> > is like leaving your front door unlocked because the
doorbell
>> > won't work. It's a dangerous work-around, and should
certainly
>> > not be recommended without a warning.
>> >
>> > If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own firewall,
then it's
>> > simply broken and we should use other software
instead.
>>
>> The Internet Connection Firewall does work with
Messenger, but
>> in some cases, it doesn't (due to some UPnP issues).
>
>What cases are these? Is there a less dangerous way to
address the problem
>than by disabling the XP firewall?
>
>I use MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Pro (all updates
installed), UPnP service
>running, XP firewall enabled (default settings), cable
internet connection
>(Comcast). I'm not behind any other firewall or router.
I'm trying to
>connect to a user who has MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Home
(all updates
>installed), UPnP service running, XP firewall enabled
(default settings),
>cable internet connection (Optonline), no other firewall
or router. We can
>exchange instant messages and video, but cannot make an
audio connection.
>
>> It's much easier to address the problem with the ICF
off.
>
>Perhaps it's easy, but it's not safe. You're providing
step-by-step
>instructions to novices for disabling their XP firewalls
without even
>telling them what a firewall is or what the consequences
are of disabling
>it. It's a bit like teaching four-year-olds how to open
child-proof
>containers. If I were a cracker trying to gain access to
XP systems, one of
>the first things I'd try to do is to socially-engineer a
way to induce many
>novices to inactivate their firewalls.
>
>--Gary
>
>> ____________________________________________
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Windows MVP, Messenger
>> Associate Expert
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
>
>.
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Yu,

Did you try the QoS suggestion?
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
> So what do I do now ? Live with it ?
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" >
> wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in
> message
> >> news:8ajMa.9486$fG.4555@sccrnsc01...
> >> > Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio
> won't work
> >> > is like leaving your front door unlocked because the
> doorbell
> >> > won't work. It's a dangerous work-around, and should
> certainly
> >> > not be recommended without a warning.
> >> >
> >> > If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own firewall,
> then it's
> >> > simply broken and we should use other software
> instead.
> >>
> >> The Internet Connection Firewall does work with
> Messenger, but
> >> in some cases, it doesn't (due to some UPnP issues).
> >
> >What cases are these? Is there a less dangerous way to
> address the problem
> >than by disabling the XP firewall?
> >
> >I use MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Pro (all updates
> installed), UPnP service
> >running, XP firewall enabled (default settings), cable
> internet connection
> >(Comcast). I'm not behind any other firewall or router.
> I'm trying to
> >connect to a user who has MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Home
> (all updates
> >installed), UPnP service running, XP firewall enabled
> (default settings),
> >cable internet connection (Optonline), no other firewall
> or router. We can
> >exchange instant messages and video, but cannot make an
> audio connection.
> >
> >> It's much easier to address the problem with the ICF
> off.
> >
> >Perhaps it's easy, but it's not safe. You're providing
> step-by-step
> >instructions to novices for disabling their XP firewalls
> without even
> >telling them what a firewall is or what the consequences
> are of disabling
> >it. It's a bit like teaching four-year-olds how to open
> child-proof
> >containers. If I were a cracker trying to gain access to
> XP systems, one of
> >the first things I'd try to do is to socially-engineer a
> way to induce many
> >novices to inactivate their firewalls.
> >
> >--Gary
> >
> >> ____________________________________________
> >> Jonathan Kay
> >> Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> Associate Expert
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Yu Ling]

Huh ?

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Yu,
>
>Did you try the QoS suggestion?
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>"Yu Ling" > wrote in message
...
>> So what do I do now ? Live with it ?
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" >
>> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> "Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in
>> message
>> >> news:8ajMa.9486$fG.4555@sccrnsc01...
>> >> > Turning off your firewall because Messenger audio
>> won't work
>> >> > is like leaving your front door unlocked because
the
>> doorbell
>> >> > won't work. It's a dangerous work-around, and
should
>> certainly
>> >> > not be recommended without a warning.
>> >> >
>> >> > If Messenger isn't compatible with XP's own
firewall,
>> then it's
>> >> > simply broken and we should use other software
>> instead.
>> >>
>> >> The Internet Connection Firewall does work with
>> Messenger, but
>> >> in some cases, it doesn't (due to some UPnP issues).
>> >
>> >What cases are these? Is there a less dangerous way to
>> address the problem
>> >than by disabling the XP firewall?
>> >
>> >I use MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP Pro (all updates
>> installed), UPnP service
>> >running, XP firewall enabled (default settings), cable
>> internet connection
>> >(Comcast). I'm not behind any other firewall or
router.
>> I'm trying to
>> >connect to a user who has MSN Messenger 6.0 with XP
Home
>> (all updates
>> >installed), UPnP service running, XP firewall enabled
>> (default settings),
>> >cable internet connection (Optonline), no other
firewall
>> or router. We can
>> >exchange instant messages and video, but cannot make an
>> audio connection.
>> >
>> >> It's much easier to address the problem with the ICF
>> off.
>> >
>> >Perhaps it's easy, but it's not safe. You're providing
>> step-by-step
>> >instructions to novices for disabling their XP
firewalls
>> without even
>> >telling them what a firewall is or what the
consequences
>> are of disabling
>> >it. It's a bit like teaching four-year-olds how to
open
>> child-proof
>> >containers. If I were a cracker trying to gain access
to
>> XP systems, one of
>> >the first things I'd try to do is to socially-engineer
a
>> way to induce many
>> >novices to inactivate their firewalls.
>> >
>> >--Gary
>> >
>> >> ____________________________________________
>> >> Jonathan Kay
>> >> Windows MVP, Messenger
>> >> Associate Expert
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> >> Messenger Resources -
http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>