what firewall software do you recommend?

[astroboy]

I have windows XP professional and run a business

any recommendations on what firewall software I should get

is Nortons ok?

[Shenan T. Stanley]

astroboy <> wrote:
> I have windows XP professional and run a business
>
> any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
>
> is Nortons ok?

Advice on Firewalls:

http://www.fracas.net/newsgroups/generaladvice.html#firewalls
or
http://tinyurl.com/el9u

You may want to look over the whole page.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
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http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

[Geoff]

Try Zone Alarm, I have used it for years and stops all probes.

Geoff

"Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> astroboy <> wrote:
> > I have windows XP professional and run a business
> >
> > any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
> >
> > is Nortons ok?
>
> Advice on Firewalls:
>
> http://www.fracas.net/newsgroups/generaladvice.html#firewalls
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/el9u
>
> You may want to look over the whole page.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> "Just trying to help"
> -------------------------
> How to use XPs Help and Support
> http://tinyurl.com/fltf
>
> How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
> http://tinyurl.com/fkja
>
> How to use Google
> http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
> http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
> -------------------------
>
>

[Nicholas]

Purchase and install Norton Internet Security 2003
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/nis_pe/

-- Includes Norton AntiVirus 2003
-- Includes Norton Personal Firewall
-- Includes prevention of annoying web pop-ups
-- Includes Parental Controls
-- All in one, easy-to-install package


--=20
Nicholas

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| I have windows XP professional and run a business
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| any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
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| is Nortons ok?
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[Unnamed]

"astroboy" > wrote in message
...
> I have windows XP professional and run a business
>
> any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
>
> is Nortons ok?
>
>

Nortons firewall has too many holes but then again Zone Alarm (free or Pro)
has a rather large one, too. Other than those two, the others really don't
hold up well when under stress. Try looking on the web for sites with such
info that helps you to decide for yourself.

[Donald Link]

Zone Alarm Pro is one good one. Probably others but this is an excellent
software solution.




"astroboy" > wrote in message
...
> I have windows XP professional and run a business
>
> any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
>
> is Nortons ok?
>
>

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Hi,

My opinion only: Kerio
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org

"astroboy" > wrote in message
...
> I have windows XP professional and run a business
>
> any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
>
> is Nortons ok?
>
>

[Unnamed]

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> My opinion only: Kerio
> http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
>

Kerio was the one I thought, too, until the security community started
poking holes through it.

[Unnamed]

One large hole that requires a major rewrite in ZA free or Pro. Hasn't been
done yet.


"Donald Link" > wrote in message
...
> Zone Alarm Pro is one good one. Probably others but this is an excellent
> software solution.
>
>
>
>
> "astroboy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have windows XP professional and run a business
> >
> > any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
> >
> > is Nortons ok?
> >
> >
>
>

[Shenan T. Stanley]

> "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> Hi,
>>
>> My opinion only: Kerio
>> http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
>>

Unnamed <> wrote:
> Kerio was the one I thought, too, until the security community started
> poking holes through it.

If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't - sooner or
later - get holes punched into them, how about you post it? Or, for now -
post links explaining what these holes are so that people can decide on
their own instead of going by someone saying "yeah - they are okay - except
for the holes in them".

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

[Unnamed]

"Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> > "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" <> wrote in message
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My opinion only: Kerio
> >> http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
> >>
>
> Unnamed <> wrote:
> > Kerio was the one I thought, too, until the security community started
> > poking holes through it.
>
> If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't - sooner or

I dont know that there really IS a perfect firewall. It is possible there is
but if it is the case, someone's keeping it a secret!

However, the firewall you choose should be reasonable. So far, Nortons,
Kerio and Zone Alarm free or Pro arent. They all have lots to fix. Then
there's Black Ice (forget the name it is called now) which has so many holes
they model Swiss Cheese on it these days.

> later - get holes punched into them, how about you post it? Or, for now -
> post links explaining what these holes are so that people can decide on
> their own instead of going by someone saying "yeah - they are okay -
except
> for the holes in them".
>

As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy. You
think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing with
security. Let your fingers do the walking!

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
his assertions.

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Unnamed" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> However, the firewall you choose should be reasonable. So far,
Nortons,
> Kerio and Zone Alarm free or Pro arent. They all have lots to fix.
Then
> there's Black Ice (forget the name it is called now) which has so
many holes
> they model Swiss Cheese on it these days.
>
>
> As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
You
> think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing with
> security. Let your fingers do the walking!
>
>
>

[Shenan T. Stanley]

Shenan T. Stanley <> wrote:
> If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't -
> sooner or later - get holes punched into them, how about you post it?
> Or, for now - post links explaining what these holes are so that
> people can decide on their own instead of going by someone saying
> "yeah - they are okay - except for the holes in them".

"Unnamed" <> wrote in message
>
> As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
> You think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing
> with security. Let your fingers do the walking!

Bruce Chambers <> wrote:
> Greetings --
>
> IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
> his assertions.

That's what I was thinking. As for me doing my homework - I DO - and when I
post something contradictary to what someone else posts, I TRY to post
counter-points with the EVIDENCE to back them. This is my point to you.
You are posting, until backed by specific and open information, opinion and
nothing more.

This is why, also, my advice usually consists of links to other pages and
assortments of choices. I feel it is better for someone else to make their
own choices on what firewall/antivirus software/popup stopper/adware removal
software to download/install/use based off their own research - I just try
to give them the head start.

I never made claims that I have to substantiate.

Advice on Firewalls:

http://www.fracas.net/newsgroups/generaladvice.html#firewalls
or
http://tinyurl.com/el9u

You may want to look over the whole page.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

[Donald Link]

Such as?




"Unnamed" > wrote in message
...
> One large hole that requires a major rewrite in ZA free or Pro. Hasn't
been
> done yet.
>
>
> "Donald Link" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Zone Alarm Pro is one good one. Probably others but this is an
excellent
> > software solution.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "astroboy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have windows XP professional and run a business
> > >
> > > any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
> > >
> > > is Nortons ok?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Unnamed]

IOW Bruce is too damned lazy to look for himself and therefore "If I (Bruce)
cant see it, then it doesn't exist".

"Air" Bruce. It exists and you cant see it.

Stop being so childish. If you go to Google you'll find all you want just
like a hell of a lot of people do.

Oh wait - it's easier to decry when you don't know because it makes you look
like you know right? Old trick used by lamers worldwide. Are you a lamer or
not, Bruce?

"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
> his assertions.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Unnamed" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > However, the firewall you choose should be reasonable. So far,
> Nortons,
> > Kerio and Zone Alarm free or Pro arent. They all have lots to fix.
> Then
> > there's Black Ice (forget the name it is called now) which has so
> many holes
> > they model Swiss Cheese on it these days.
> >
> >
> > As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
> You
> > think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing with
> > security. Let your fingers do the walking!
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Unnamed]

"Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> Shenan T. Stanley <> wrote:
> > If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't -
> > sooner or later - get holes punched into them, how about you post it?
> > Or, for now - post links explaining what these holes are so that
> > people can decide on their own instead of going by someone saying
> > "yeah - they are okay - except for the holes in them".
>
> "Unnamed" <> wrote in message
> >
> > As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
> > You think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing
> > with security. Let your fingers do the walking!
>
> Bruce Chambers <> wrote:
> > Greetings --
> >
> > IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
> > his assertions.
>
> That's what I was thinking. As for me doing my homework - I DO - and when
I

No, obviously you dont or you wouldnt need someone else to provide the
evidence that is available to ANYONE who asks their favourite search engine.

> post something contradictary to what someone else posts, I TRY to post
> counter-points with the EVIDENCE to back them. This is my point to you.
> You are posting, until backed by specific and open information, opinion
and
> nothing more.

No. You know nothing and the lamers way of hiding that is to ask for URLs
instead of finding the evidence for themselves. That has always been the way
and you arent the first or last to try that. Uninformed ALWAYS do that.
Informed know, uninformed who WANT to know go find out and uninformed who
dont want to know and just want to argue ask for URLs then tell anyone who
listen how they are right because there is no URL provided. Lazy sod. It's
all available. No membership card, no downpayment, just a little effort.
Afraid of effort?

Of course if you don't know where to look, try Bugtraq, for a start.
Lamers - they do nothing but order the tide not to come in!

[Unnamed]

Check Bugtraq for all the info on that.


"Donald Link" > wrote in message
...
> Such as?
>
>
>
>
> "Unnamed" > wrote in message
> ...
> > One large hole that requires a major rewrite in ZA free or Pro. Hasn't
> been
> > done yet.
> >
> >
> > "Donald Link" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Zone Alarm Pro is one good one. Probably others but this is an
> excellent
> > > software solution.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "astroboy" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I have windows XP professional and run a business
> > > >
> > > > any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
> > > >
> > > > is Nortons ok?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Shenan T. Stanley]

Unnamed <> wrote:
"Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Shenan T. Stanley <> wrote:
>>> If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't -
>>> sooner or later - get holes punched into them, how about you post
>>> it? Or, for now - post links explaining what these holes are so that
>>> people can decide on their own instead of going by someone saying
>>> "yeah - they are okay - except for the holes in them".
>>
>> "Unnamed" <> wrote in message
>>>
>>> As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
>>> You think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing
>>> with security. Let your fingers do the walking!
>>
>> Bruce Chambers <> wrote:
>>> Greetings --
>>>
>>> IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
>>> his assertions.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking. As for me doing my homework - I DO -
>> and when I
>
> No, obviously you dont or you wouldnt need someone else to provide the
> evidence that is available to ANYONE who asks their favourite search
> engine.
>
>> post something contradictary to what someone else posts, I TRY to
>> post counter-points with the EVIDENCE to back them. This is my
>> point to you. You are posting, until backed by specific and open
>> information, opinion and nothing more.
>
> No. You know nothing and the lamers way of hiding that is to ask for
> URLs instead of finding the evidence for themselves. That has always
> been the way and you arent the first or last to try that. Uninformed
> ALWAYS do that. Informed know, uninformed who WANT to know go find
> out and uninformed who dont want to know and just want to argue ask
> for URLs then tell anyone who listen how they are right because there
> is no URL provided. Lazy sod. It's all available. No membership card,
> no downpayment, just a little effort. Afraid of effort?

Although you are not worth my time - I have to point out I never asked you
anything.
Not only do I get my own information, I obviously am able to share it,
something you haven't gotten to in pre-school yet. You will, just wait. It
will come after nap-time.

You volunteer crap, spew it in large amounts with nothing to back it up.
It's funny.
Please continue.
Laughing this hard is great fun!

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Ah! Name-calling. Well, there's no getting past that. Where do
I go to surrender? Your mental powers are obviously well beyond
anything to which I could ever aspire.


Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Unnamed" > wrote in message
...
> IOW Bruce is too damned lazy to look for himself and therefore "If I
(Bruce)
> cant see it, then it doesn't exist".
>
> "Air" Bruce. It exists and you cant see it.
>
> Stop being so childish. If you go to Google you'll find all you want
just
> like a hell of a lot of people do.
>
> Oh wait - it's easier to decry when you don't know because it makes
you look
> like you know right? Old trick used by lamers worldwide. Are you a
lamer or
> not, Bruce?
>

[Unnamed]

"Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> Unnamed <> wrote:
> "Shenan T. Stanley" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Shenan T. Stanley <> wrote:
> >>> If you find a perfect firewall that has no holes or that don't -
> >>> sooner or later - get holes punched into them, how about you post
> >>> it? Or, for now - post links explaining what these holes are so that
> >>> people can decide on their own instead of going by someone saying
> >>> "yeah - they are okay - except for the holes in them".
> >>
> >> "Unnamed" <> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> As to links, do your OWN homework and stop being so lazy and smarmy.
> >>> You think there aren't holes? They are posted on web sites dealing
> >>> with security. Let your fingers do the walking!
> >>
> >> Bruce Chambers <> wrote:
> >>> Greetings --
> >>>
> >>> IOW, he doesn't have an ounce of documented evidence to support
> >>> his assertions.
> >>
> >> That's what I was thinking. As for me doing my homework - I DO -
> >> and when I
> >
> > No, obviously you dont or you wouldnt need someone else to provide the
> > evidence that is available to ANYONE who asks their favourite search
> > engine.
> >
> >> post something contradictary to what someone else posts, I TRY to
> >> post counter-points with the EVIDENCE to back them. This is my
> >> point to you. You are posting, until backed by specific and open
> >> information, opinion and nothing more.
> >
> > No. You know nothing and the lamers way of hiding that is to ask for
> > URLs instead of finding the evidence for themselves. That has always
> > been the way and you arent the first or last to try that. Uninformed
> > ALWAYS do that. Informed know, uninformed who WANT to know go find
> > out and uninformed who dont want to know and just want to argue ask
> > for URLs then tell anyone who listen how they are right because there
> > is no URL provided. Lazy sod. It's all available. No membership card,
> > no downpayment, just a little effort. Afraid of effort?
>
> Although you are not worth my time -

The start of a missive worth wiping my backside with.

I have to point out I never asked you
> anything.
> Not only do I get my own information, I obviously am able to share it,
> something you haven't gotten to in pre-school yet. You will, just wait.
It
> will come after nap-time.
>
> You volunteer crap, spew it in large amounts with nothing to back it up.
> It's funny.
> Please continue.
> Laughing this hard is great fun!
>

There is no doubt you laugh. After all, without the knowledge to know that
which you are talking about, laughing is all you can do.

However, having had my last say, I leave it to your schoolchild mind to have
the VERY last say. Go for it. Prove your lack of ability to find things for
yourself, understand answers and control yourself.

[Unnamed]

"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> Ah! Name-calling. Well, there's no getting past that. Where do
> I go to surrender? Your mental powers are obviously well beyond
> anything to which I could ever aspire.
>

You started it, Bruce and you should have more sense than to do that.
However, if you are totally incapable of doing the work for yourself and
INSIST others do it for you, fine. Go to Bugtraq or any of the security
lists and you will find your answers. The rest you have to do for yourself,
mate. Sorry but I wont be wiping your arse for you.

Have the last say now -

[Martian]

"astroboy" > wrote in message >...
> I have windows XP professional and run a business
>
> any recommendations on what firewall software I should get
>
> is Nortons ok?

I use several: Norton, McAfee, and Black Ice. All seem to work OK,
but Norton has more add-ons in the Internet Security version for
pop-ups, pop-unders, and the like. Warning: You can end up not
seeing things because of your settings or if you are going through a
hardware firewall, and you don't even know you don't see it unless you
happen to be on a machine that isn't blocking the item! Because of
holes that have to be filled in, it can affect access to Web pages or
content.