Is this a virus?

[Michael Conrad]

Hello,

I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
international, etc. Could this be a virus?

Thanks,

Mike

[David Candy]

Yes but on someone else's machine.

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> Hello,
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> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). =
She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but =
hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?
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> Thanks,
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> Mike
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[DL]

Lets see if I understand;
On the internet and no AV app???
Presumabley Firewall not activated either??
Answer: Plain dumb!!!!!!
David

"Michael Conrad" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>

[RJK]

Connecting to the internet without first settings up ones defences -
firewall - ant-virus etc. is simply daft.

"Could this be a virus?" ummm, what else could it be ...let me think ......

I suspect that this particular PC will be full of virsus - trojans etc.
spyware, scumware, malware - homepage hijackers and goodness know what else
etc.
First thing to do is boot from a Norton Internet security cd-rom and let it
do it's thing ....after backing up all user created data of course ....

regards, Richard


"Michael Conrad" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>

[RJK]

BwahahahahahahahahahahahaROFL !!!

regards, Richard


"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
Yes but on someone else's machine.

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"Michael Conrad" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>

[Peter]

Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...

Good luck

[David Candy]

They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been =
infected. That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie =
Dos/Windows). There were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or =
scientific computers prior to me converting in 1990.

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"Peter" > wrote in message =
.. .
> Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
>=20
> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
>=20
> Good luck
>=20
>=20
>=20

[Bastet]

David Candy wrote:
> They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been
> infected. That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie
> Dos/Windows). There were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or
> scientific computers prior to me converting in 1990.

And how did you know?!

[RJK]

I'm shocked ! I can't believe what you just said ! If I could remember the
name of it I'd HURL an example virus at you. The one, ( that appeared
....was it ...a year or two ago), that could do horrible things to your PC by
simply viewing it in OE's preview pane. ...and as Bastet just said, "How
would you know" ...LOL :-)

regards, Richard


"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been infected.
That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). There
were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior to me
converting in 1990.

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"Peter" > wrote in message
.. .
> Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
>
> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
>
> Good luck
>
>
>

[DL]

Personally I set up two pc's recently, ie took them out of the box and
started up, In the time taken to set up the internet connection and activate
the Firewall both were infected
David

"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been infected.
That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). There
were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior to me
converting in 1990.

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"Peter" > wrote in message
.. .
> Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
>
> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
>
> Good luck
>
>
>

[RJK]

After setting up Internet connections, you didn't HAVE to connect to the web
before installing/activating web security software etc. ! ...but, then, you
learnt that the hard way :-(

regards, Richard


"DL" > wrote in message
...
> Personally I set up two pc's recently, ie took them out of the box and
> started up, In the time taken to set up the internet connection and
activate
> the Firewall both were infected
> David
>
> "David Candy" > wrote in message
> ...
> They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been infected.
> That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). There
> were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior to
me
> converting in 1990.
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> "Peter" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
> >
> > Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter]

So because I never had a car accident, I don't need to wear seat belts and I
never need to lock my house because people never broke in?
Sorry, but that's the logic of an ape.

[Peter]

> They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been infected.
That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). There
were no > viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior to
me converting in 1990.

So because I never had a car accident, I don't need to wear seat belts and I
never need to lock my house because people never broke in?
Sorry, but that's the logic of an ape.

[Battleax]

"DL" > wrote in message
...
> Personally I set up two pc's recently, ie took them out of the box and
> started up, In the time taken to set up the internet connection and
activate
> the Firewall both were infected
> David

Facinating! How exactly does this happen?

[David Candy]

Because only idiots get infected. Let me see. Lets call route of =
infection vectors.=20

Now I once bought a 2nd hand computer with both an infected and faulty =
hard drive. Sys fixed that. Debug allowed me to look.

The first two vectors viruses used were boot sectors (which windows is =
immune to, sort of). The defense against this is not to boot with an =
infected floppy in the drive. Later BIOSs offered a feture to not try to =
boot from floppy. The second is file infection. Don't swap executable =
files and one can't get infected.

Then we had macro viruses. Again at the time it was not to open =
documents that one didn't create. Then I wrote a program that prevented =
these from running (ok I suppose that counts a an AV program in part). =
Then MS built in the same feature in Word 2000 (mine was released for 95 =
and written for Ver 6)

Then we had email/web vectors. Setting OE to restricted zone solved OE's =
problems. With IE it requires you to click something.

Then worms came about. If you are correctly configured they aren't a =
threat.

If in doubt I examine the offending code (and I get sent lots of viruses =
everyday). If someone else is infected and send me a new virus I run the =
virus in a sandbox to examine it's behaviour.

The point is stupidity/ignorance/gluttony gets people infected (often =
all three).

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"Bastet" > wrote in message =
...
> David Candy wrote:
> > They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been
> > infected. That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie
> > Dos/Windows). There were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or
> > scientific computers prior to me converting in 1990.
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> And how did you know?!
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[David Candy]

I grew up in a house, in a city, that was never locked. A better analogy =
may be one ties one's car to a telegraph pole to prevent one from =
speeding, or one can just not speed.

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"Peter" > wrote in message =
.. .
> > They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been =
infected.
> That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). =
There
> were no > viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers =
prior to
> me converting in 1990.
>=20
> So because I never had a car accident, I don't need to wear seat belts =
and I
> never need to lock my house because people never broke in?
> Sorry, but that's the logic of an ape.
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>=20
>=20

[David Candy]

It won't do nothing if you send it to me, I have OE in the restricted =
zone. Understand. If one's computer is correctly configured then one is =
almost immune. Be aware that no virus gets on my computer (except by my =
choice when I'm working out what you should do to disinfect you). =
Therefore an AV program has nothing to do.=20

People that get infected usually use AV software, that means they reley =
on the AV software rather than correct configuration A new virus comes =
along, the AV companies haven't seen it yet, they get infected

Tell me, if you are a standalone computer, do you have NetBIOS enabled =
over the TCP/IP connection. I don't. Yet most seem to. That is a major =
flaw.=20
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"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> I'm shocked ! I can't believe what you just said ! If I could =
remember the
> name of it I'd HURL an example virus at you. The one, ( that appeared
> ...was it ...a year or two ago), that could do horrible things to your =
PC by
> simply viewing it in OE's preview pane. ...and as Bastet just said, =
"How
> would you know" ...LOL :-)
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
> "David Candy" > wrote in message
> ...
> They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been =
infected.
> That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). =
There
> were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior =
to me
> converting in 1990.
>=20
> --=20
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> http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> "Peter" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
> >
> > Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> >
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[David Candy]

They refuse to configure their internet as an internet connection. Thus =
port 135 is left open. There is some obscure bug (which actually got =
used) that overruns the data buffer and allowing any data to be put in =
memory, in this case program code.

Everyone wants programs to do security, but they won't configure their =
computer.
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"Battleax" > wrote in message =
...
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> "DL" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Personally I set up two pc's recently, ie took them out of the box =
and
> > started up, In the time taken to set up the internet connection and
> activate
> > the Firewall both were infected
> > David
>=20
> Facinating! How exactly does this happen?
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"Michael Conrad" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>


Well, duh. It *could* be a virus, it could almost be funny, however it
is be ludicrous to run without a av. Esp.when free av programs are
available.

Jan

[Plato]

Bastet wrote:
>
> David Candy wrote:
> > They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been
> > infected. That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie
> > Dos/Windows). There were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or
> > scientific computers prior to me converting in 1990.
>
> And how did you know?!

hehe true, unless you double check you couldn't make the "never
infected" statement. I think Mr. Spock would agree.





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[Plato]

Michael Conrad wrote:
>
> I am inquiring for a friend (who has no anti-virus protection). She
> says she has been receiving 100's of returned e-mails everyday, but hasn't
> sent any out. They seem to be to random addresses, domestic and
> international, etc. Could this be a virus?

Chances are, yes, it's a trojan and chances are yes, she is sending them
out unknowingly. ie many modern trojans have their own SMTP program
[email program] included with the trojan [virus]. Some of these types of
bugs send to people in your address book, whist others just generate
random addresses. If you have a broadband connection you wont even
notice the trojan sending out the emails.



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[DILIP]

> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
>

If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every "innocent"
attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided; provided you run a
firewall. I have never used AVs due to their burden on system resources.

[strad]

DILIP wrote:
>> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
>>
>
> If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every
> "innocent" attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided;
> provided you run a firewall. I have never used AVs due to their
> burden on system resources.

You must have extremely limited sytem resources. Ridiculous advice, not to
use an anti-virus program. By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is not
a word in any language, present or past.

[RJK]

You slightly misunderstand me - my fault for not being literal enough. I
should have said, "...I'd hurl the *description* of a virus at you..." I
completely agree with your comments on correct or optimal software
configuration. i.e. most ordinary PC users don't do it, mostly because they
don't know how to do it, and partly because they haven't got the time to
research, read up and learn how to do it. So they mostly rely on third
party software for internet security. I think they even mistakenly trust
that such software will protect them from all the [Y]'s they prod, when
queried by, for example, firewall software prompts regarding ActiveX
controls and Java Applets etc.

Perhaps this is why there appears to be a preponderance of advice, issued by
the *experts* 'out there,' to implement a 'multi-layered' approach to
internet security.

Even then, one has to occasionally trundle along and sort out a machine that
has had the [Y] key pressed LOTS of times, in response to prompts from a
firewall software, for example, when [N] should have been prodded lots of
times. :-)

Then there are those machines that have had the firewall switched off
because the PC user was tearing his hair out 'cause a particular site
refused to load in his browser window... I'm sure that one day I'm going to
say something like, "You switched off your firewall, (or "You switched off
your a/v software and stupidly ran that email attachment",) , "...sort it
out yourself !!"

regards, Richard



"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
It won't do nothing if you send it to me, I have OE in the restricted zone.
Understand. If one's computer is correctly configured then one is almost
immune. Be aware that no virus gets on my computer (except by my choice when
I'm working out what you should do to disinfect you). Therefore an AV
program has nothing to do.

People that get infected usually use AV software, that means they reley on
the AV software rather than correct configuration A new virus comes along,
the AV companies haven't seen it yet, they get infected

Tell me, if you are a standalone computer, do you have NetBIOS enabled over
the TCP/IP connection. I don't. Yet most seem to. That is a major flaw.
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"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I'm shocked ! I can't believe what you just said ! If I could remember
the
> name of it I'd HURL an example virus at you. The one, ( that appeared
> ...was it ...a year or two ago), that could do horrible things to your PC
by
> simply viewing it in OE's preview pane. ...and as Bastet just said, "How
> would you know" ...LOL :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "David Candy" > wrote in message
> ...
> They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been infected.
> That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). There
> were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers prior to
me
> converting in 1990.
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> "Peter" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
> >
> > Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bastet]

David Candy wrote:
> It won't do nothing if you send it to me...

Ha! That's a double negative (as well as being appallingly bad grammar!) And
we all know what two negatives make, don't we folks? ;o)

[David Candy]

Well I make my mum, sisters, and soon father run AV program. I make =
commercial computers run AV software. I know not everyone cares to learn =
this. But if we are talking to those interested then they need to =
unlearn myths and learn configuration.

Though my mum may (just may) be able to run without an AV program as =
she's learnt a lot about safety. Her AV pops up a message and she knows =
that one does not rely on an AV program so stops opening strange =
attachments, she knows to ignore MS emails. She doen't like her son =
removing porn diallers from her computer so no longer visits those sites =
(how roles change).

But people turn off their bull**** detectors when they're on computers. =
If I came up to you on the street and told you "I'm a nigerian person =
who brother was the dictator before a coup ..." you'd tell me to **** =
off.=20

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"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> You slightly misunderstand me - my fault for not being literal enough. =
I
> should have said, "...I'd hurl the *description* of a virus at you..." =
I
> completely agree with your comments on correct or optimal software
> configuration. i.e. most ordinary PC users don't do it, mostly =
because they
> don't know how to do it, and partly because they haven't got the time =
to
> research, read up and learn how to do it. So they mostly rely on =
third
> party software for internet security. I think they even mistakenly =
trust
> that such software will protect them from all the [Y]'s they prod, =
when
> queried by, for example, firewall software prompts regarding ActiveX
> controls and Java Applets etc.
>=20
> Perhaps this is why there appears to be a preponderance of advice, =
issued by
> the *experts* 'out there,' to implement a 'multi-layered' approach to
> internet security.
>=20
> Even then, one has to occasionally trundle along and sort out a =
machine that
> has had the [Y] key pressed LOTS of times, in response to prompts from =
a
> firewall software, for example, when [N] should have been prodded lots =
of
> times. :-)
>=20
> Then there are those machines that have had the firewall switched off
> because the PC user was tearing his hair out 'cause a particular site
> refused to load in his browser window... I'm sure that one day I'm =
going to
> say something like, "You switched off your firewall, (or "You switched =
off
> your a/v software and stupidly ran that email attachment",) , =
"...sort it
> out yourself !!"
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "David Candy" > wrote in message
> ...
> It won't do nothing if you send it to me, I have OE in the restricted =
zone.
> Understand. If one's computer is correctly configured then one is =
almost
> immune. Be aware that no virus gets on my computer (except by my =
choice when
> I'm working out what you should do to disinfect you). Therefore an AV
> program has nothing to do.
>=20
> People that get infected usually use AV software, that means they =
reley on
> the AV software rather than correct configuration A new virus comes =
along,
> the AV companies haven't seen it yet, they get infected
>=20
> Tell me, if you are a standalone computer, do you have NetBIOS enabled =
over
> the TCP/IP connection. I don't. Yet most seem to. That is a major =
flaw.
> --=20
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm shocked ! I can't believe what you just said ! If I could =
remember
> the
> > name of it I'd HURL an example virus at you. The one, ( that =
appeared
> > ...was it ...a year or two ago), that could do horrible things to =
your PC
> by
> > simply viewing it in OE's preview pane. ...and as Bastet just said, =
"How
> > would you know" ...LOL :-)
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "David Candy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > They're not needed. I don't run AV programs and I've never been =
infected.
> > That's 13 years on platfornms that can be infected (ie Dos/Windows). =
There
> > were no viruses on the mainframe, minis, or scientific computers =
prior to
> me
> > converting in 1990.
> >
> > --=20
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> > "Peter" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > Tell her to install a virus scanner first:
> > > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
> > >
> > > Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>=20
>=20

[David Candy]

The problem isn't resources but latency. That is everything has to wait =
for whatever it is to be checked.

If you can't outwit a virus that's fine. I can't do brain surgery or =
skin grafts. I use a surgeon software loaded on a doctor for these =
tasks. I disinfect other's computers by hand (thrill of the hunt).

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"strad" > wrote in message =
...
> DILIP wrote:
> >> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >>
> >
> > If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every
> > "innocent" attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided;
> > provided you run a firewall. I have never used AVs due to their
> > burden on system resources.
>=20
> You must have extremely limited sytem resources. Ridiculous advice, =
not to
> use an anti-virus program. By the way, the pretentious "word" virii =
is not
> a word in any language, present or past.
>=20
>=20

[RJK]

I've found that having Norton a/v running all the time doesn't seem to
affect responses / program / file load times etc. at all. And mine is an
"old" Athlon 1.4ghz 512mb ddr pc2100 on an "old" Asus A7A266 mobo. I always
disable Norton a/v when installing software and updating Windows to avoid
that ocaasional condition where software installation doesn't like having
Norton stuck in the middle. If working offline, I occasionally disable a/v
but, a performance gain is simply not there, or if it is, it's so small as
to be not noticable. So I often do not bother to disable a/v when working
offline.

Considering that my "old" machine is still lovely and swift, even with
Norton a/v sat there intercepting hd reads and writes, I suppose that newer
cpu's, being even swifter, must actually finish doing what you want it to do
before you even tell it to do it !

regards, Richard


"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
The problem isn't resources but latency. That is everything has to wait for
whatever it is to be checked.

If you can't outwit a virus that's fine. I can't do brain surgery or skin
grafts. I use a surgeon software loaded on a doctor for these tasks. I
disinfect other's computers by hand (thrill of the hunt).

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"strad" > wrote in message
...
> DILIP wrote:
> >> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >>
> >
> > If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every
> > "innocent" attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided;
> > provided you run a firewall. I have never used AVs due to their
> > burden on system resources.
>
> You must have extremely limited sytem resources. Ridiculous advice, not
to
> use an anti-virus program. By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is
not
> a word in any language, present or past.
>
>

[RJK]

Now look yer, u doh-no wot yoom on about do'ee? Somerset dialect - that's
me ! decoded:-

Now look here, you don't know what your'e on about do you?

regards, Richard


"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
Perhaps that's my dialect (nothin). I also speak RP (noth-ing). And I also
speak westie (nuffin).
Perhaps I should get some eritians to visit you and explain language. They
won the propaganda war. You didn't.
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"Bastet" > wrote in message
...
> David Candy wrote:
> > It won't do nothing if you send it to me...
>
> Ha! That's a double negative (as well as being appallingly bad grammar!)
And
> we all know what two negatives make, don't we folks? ;o)
>
>

[Bastet]

David Candy wrote:
> Perhaps that's my dialect (nothin). I also speak RP (noth-ing). And I
> also speak westie (nuffin).
> Perhaps I should get some eritians to visit you and explain language.
> They won the propaganda war. You didn't.
>> David Candy wrote:
>>> It won't do nothing if you send it to me...
>>
>> Ha! That's a double negative (as well as being appallingly bad
>> grammar!) And we all know what two negatives make, don't we folks?
>> ;o)

Sorry, Dave, forgot you're an Aussie... <eg>

[DILIP]

So basically - It's the resources of the CPU that are used every time-
That's what I meant. The thrill is right - I have loaded some on to my own
system too (I have just one at home) when I'm backed up. The newer ones
that block msconfig and regedit make the chase more enticing. If you're
always protected, there's no real battle left - and nothing more to learn.
Until u break Windows, you don't really get the whole experience.

--
Dilip

"David Candy" > wrote in message
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The problem isn't resources but latency. That is everything has to wait for
whatever it is to be checked.

If you can't outwit a virus that's fine. I can't do brain surgery or skin
grafts. I use a surgeon software loaded on a doctor for these tasks. I
disinfect other's computers by hand (thrill of the hunt).

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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"strad" > wrote in message
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> DILIP wrote:
> >> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >>
> >
> > If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every
> > "innocent" attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided;
> > provided you run a firewall. I have never used AVs due to their
> > burden on system resources.
>
> You must have extremely limited sytem resources. Ridiculous advice, not
to
> use an anti-virus program. By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is
not
> a word in any language, present or past.
>
>

[DILIP]

"strad" > wrote in message
...
> DILIP wrote:
> >> Gosh, I can't understand why someone doesn't use one...
> >>
> >
> > If you have a little common sense and don't go clicking on every
> > "innocent" attachment that comes along, virii are easily avoided;
> > provided you run a firewall. I have never used AVs due to their
> > burden on system resources.
>
> You must have extremely limited sytem resources.

I try to get the most of the computer-I'm a geek. It's something only
experienced users can try.. the others will get viruses anyway. And btw, if
there's a difference on a computer with fewer resources (not that mine's
bad) , there will be a difference on faster ones too.

Ridiculous advice, not to
> use an anti-virus program.

When did I say that my post was "advice." In fact I drop in here just to
give my point of view-and the greatest part is that it really makes no
difference what you say or think. Go back to the land of conformists-this
newsgroup has lots anyway.

By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is not
> a word in any language, present or past.

It just sounded right.
>
>

[flan]

DILIP wrote:
> "strad" wrote:
>
> By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is not
> a word in any language, present or past.
>
> It just sounded right.
>
Kind of like preventing viruses by not using an anti-virus program. Sounds
right to you, but completely wrong.

[DILIP]

It works perfectly for me, so I guess I'm just smarter than you are. I go
to all kinds of sites and manage with a free firewall. Yup, must be the
deficit in brain cells. Take it personally.

--
Dilip

"flan" > wrote in message
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> DILIP wrote:
> > "strad" wrote:
> >
> > By the way, the pretentious "word" virii is not
> > a word in any language, present or past.
> >
> > It just sounded right.
> >
> Kind of like preventing viruses by not using an anti-virus program.
Sounds
> right to you, but completely wrong.
>
>