XP Home Rights

[Dave]

I have a question for those in the security relm. I have
XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS" only
one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
can I have them put this doc?

Thanks in advance.

[news-rd3e7@spam-box.connectfree.co.uk]

"Dave" > wrote:
>I have a question for those in the security relm. I have
>XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
>together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
>drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
>document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS" only
>one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
>can I have them put this doc?
>
>Thanks in advance.

Create a folder.
Restart in safe mode.
Sign in as `Administrator` (which is now visible)
Bring up the properties for the folder you created.
The `Security` tab/option is now present.
Set the permissions as you require.
Re-start the computer normally.
Enjoy......

[Dave]

>-----Original Message-----
>"Dave" > wrote:
>>I have a question for those in the security relm. I
have
>>XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
>>together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
>>drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
>>document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
only
>>one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
>>can I have them put this doc?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>Create a folder.
>Restart in safe mode.
>Sign in as `Administrator` (which is now visible)
>Bring up the properties for the folder you created.
>The `Security` tab/option is now present.
>Set the permissions as you require.
>Re-start the computer normally.
>Enjoy......
>.
>

WHAT??!?!?!?!

You're telling me that there is no place by DEFAULT for
this. What happened to "One Degree of Separation"?
Sounds like 2 or 3 if you ask me. Also sounds like an
easy back door for anyone who wants into the machine.

What do the children at Microsoft have to say about this,
besides (Tough Luck?)

[Robert]

Yes, it is a wide open back door in XP Home. As it becomes well known
people will be outraged with Microsoft for leaving such an easy way
for anyone to gain Administrator rights. I have yet to see an XP Home
upgrade that did not have this back door wide open. There is nothing
on the Microsoft site warning consumers to go into Safe Mode and set
the password.

On the other hand, I have an eMachine that the factory decided should
not have this security flaw, so they completely disabled Safe Mode.
Duh!

I am still trying to figure out how to correct that.

Robert




On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:05:14 -0700, "Dave" > wrote:

>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>"Dave" > wrote:
>>>I have a question for those in the security relm. I
>have
>>>XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
>>>together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
>>>drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
>>>document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
>only
>>>one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
>>>can I have them put this doc?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Create a folder.
>>Restart in safe mode.
>>Sign in as `Administrator` (which is now visible)
>>Bring up the properties for the folder you created.
>>The `Security` tab/option is now present.
>>Set the permissions as you require.
>>Re-start the computer normally.
>>Enjoy......
>>.
>>
>
>WHAT??!?!?!?!
>
>You're telling me that there is no place by DEFAULT for
>this. What happened to "One Degree of Separation"?
>Sounds like 2 or 3 if you ask me. Also sounds like an
>easy back door for anyone who wants into the machine.
>
>What do the children at Microsoft have to say about this,
>besides (Tough Luck?)

[Jupiter Jones]

Dave;
Just like the back door of your house.
Do you lock the back door?
Do you password the Administrator?
Both are easy to do.

--
Jupiter Jones
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Dave" > wrote:
> >>I have a question for those in the security relm. I
> have
> >>XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
> >>together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
> >>drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
> >>document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
> only
> >>one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
> >>can I have them put this doc?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Create a folder.
> >Restart in safe mode.
> >Sign in as `Administrator` (which is now visible)
> >Bring up the properties for the folder you created.
> >The `Security` tab/option is now present.
> >Set the permissions as you require.
> >Re-start the computer normally.
> >Enjoy......
> >.
> >
>
> WHAT??!?!?!?!
>
> You're telling me that there is no place by DEFAULT for
> this. What happened to "One Degree of Separation"?
> Sounds like 2 or 3 if you ask me. Also sounds like an
> easy back door for anyone who wants into the machine.
>
> What do the children at Microsoft have to say about this,
> besides (Tough Luck?)

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

If you mean to have both users editing the file simultaneously,
the answer is "No." The first person to open the file "locks" it so
that any subsequent user trying to access the file can only get
read-only access. This is a design feature to prevent file corruption
caused by conflicting changes.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> I have a question for those in the security relm. I have
> XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
> together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
> drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
> document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS" only
> one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
> can I have them put this doc?
>
> Thanks in advance.

[Robert]

You can't lock the back door to your house if you've never been to the
back room of your house. Likewise, you cannot password protect the
Administrator account of XP Home if you've never been in Safe Mode.

Ask a few XP Home users if they've ever been in Safe Mode.

Robert



On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:37:26 -0600, "Jupiter Jones"
> wrote:

>Dave;
>Just like the back door of your house.
>Do you lock the back door?
>Do you password the Administrator?
>Both are easy to do.

[Dave]

OK, I got this back door taken care of, and I have this
new folder so that when one of the kids is working, the
other can work on the paper, and vice versa. My whole
problem is "WHY" What part of "Shared Documents" did I
misunderstanding? Apparetly by default, one Limited user
creates a document in the "Shared Documents", now any
other limited user can read it, but cannot write to it.
Blows my mind. Looks like Microsoft needs another folder
called "Really Shared Documents"


>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings --
>
> If you mean to have both users editing the file
simultaneously,
>the answer is "No." The first person to open the
file "locks" it so
>that any subsequent user trying to access the file can
only get
>read-only access. This is a design feature to prevent
file corruption
>caused by conflicting changes.
>
>Bruce Chambers
>
>Help us help you:
>http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>----
>You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
count on
>having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
>"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>> I have a question for those in the security relm. I
have
>> XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
>> together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
>> drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
>> document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
only
>> one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
>> can I have them put this doc?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>.
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

A "Shared folder" means that the contents of the folder are
equally available to everyone who has access privileges to the folder,
on a first-come, first-served basis. Multiple users making changes to
the same file simultaneously is normally a recipe for certain
disaster, unless the application, such as a database, has been
specifically designed for that.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I got this back door taken care of, and I have this
> new folder so that when one of the kids is working, the
> other can work on the paper, and vice versa. My whole
> problem is "WHY" What part of "Shared Documents" did I
> misunderstanding? Apparetly by default, one Limited user
> creates a document in the "Shared Documents", now any
> other limited user can read it, but cannot write to it.
> Blows my mind. Looks like Microsoft needs another folder
> called "Really Shared Documents"
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings --
> >
> > If you mean to have both users editing the file
> simultaneously,
> >the answer is "No." The first person to open the
> file "locks" it so
> >that any subsequent user trying to access the file can
> only get
> >read-only access. This is a design feature to prevent
> file corruption
> >caused by conflicting changes.
> >
> >Bruce Chambers
> >
> >Help us help you:
> >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >----
> >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
> count on
> >having both at once. -- RAH
> >
> >
> >"Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I have a question for those in the security relm. I
> have
> >> XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
> >> together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
> >> drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
> >> document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
> only
> >> one can read/write while the other can only read. Where
> >> can I have them put this doc?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Dave]

Bruce,
I am not talking about accessing the file at the same
time. Here is an example, Tim and Tom have a paper to
work on. Tim is at work, so Tom Logs in and works on the
paper. He saves the document and SHUTS the machine down.
Tim gets back from work and turns the computer on and logs
in as himself and attempts to read/modify the document.
HE CAN'T. Noone is accessing the file but him, but
because Microsoft thinks that two limited users can't work
together on anything, the document is READ-ONLY to Tim,
not Tom. I am not talking about accessing the file at the
same time, I understand that concept. I am stating that
because Tom created the document, Tim will never be able
to write to it, and vice versa. This is where either
Microsoft needs to have another folder where two limited
user can work on ducuments together (Not at the same time)
and the current "Viewable only Documents" folder.


Hopefully this explains the problem better.

>-----Original Message-----
>Greetings --
>
> A "Shared folder" means that the contents of the
folder are
>equally available to everyone who has access privileges
to the folder,
>on a first-come, first-served basis. Multiple users
making changes to
>the same file simultaneously is normally a recipe for
certain
>disaster, unless the application, such as a database, has
been
>specifically designed for that.
>
>Bruce Chambers
>
>Help us help you:
>http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>----
>You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
count on
>having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
>"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>> OK, I got this back door taken care of, and I have this
>> new folder so that when one of the kids is working, the
>> other can work on the paper, and vice versa. My whole
>> problem is "WHY" What part of "Shared Documents" did I
>> misunderstanding? Apparetly by default, one Limited
user
>> creates a document in the "Shared Documents", now any
>> other limited user can read it, but cannot write to it.
>> Blows my mind. Looks like Microsoft needs another
folder
>> called "Really Shared Documents"
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Greetings --
>> >
>> > If you mean to have both users editing the file
>> simultaneously,
>> >the answer is "No." The first person to open the
>> file "locks" it so
>> >that any subsequent user trying to access the file can
>> only get
>> >read-only access. This is a design feature to prevent
>> file corruption
>> >caused by conflicting changes.
>> >
>> >Bruce Chambers
>> >
>> >Help us help you:
>> >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> >----
>> >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't
ever
>> count on
>> >having both at once. -- RAH
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dave" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> I have a question for those in the security relm. I
>> have
>> >> XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
>> >> together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
>> >> drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
>> >> document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
>> only
>> >> one can read/write while the other can only read.
Where
>> >> can I have them put this doc?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

That clears things up a bit. Contents of a shared folder should
be accessible to all users, limited or not, and there you shouldn't be
experiencing this. Are you sure that one of the two hasn't
inadvertently set the files attributes to Read Only, or invoked the
applications internal file protection mechanism. This is apparently a
permissions issue, but it's very hard to troubleshoot from a distance.

Perhaps this will help:

Default Permissions for Shared Folders Is Read-Only Access for
Everyone
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;328065

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce,
> I am not talking about accessing the file at the same
> time. Here is an example, Tim and Tom have a paper to
> work on. Tim is at work, so Tom Logs in and works on the
> paper. He saves the document and SHUTS the machine down.
> Tim gets back from work and turns the computer on and logs
> in as himself and attempts to read/modify the document.
> HE CAN'T. Noone is accessing the file but him, but
> because Microsoft thinks that two limited users can't work
> together on anything, the document is READ-ONLY to Tim,
> not Tom. I am not talking about accessing the file at the
> same time, I understand that concept. I am stating that
> because Tom created the document, Tim will never be able
> to write to it, and vice versa. This is where either
> Microsoft needs to have another folder where two limited
> user can work on ducuments together (Not at the same time)
> and the current "Viewable only Documents" folder.
>
>
> Hopefully this explains the problem better.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings --
> >
> > A "Shared folder" means that the contents of the
> folder are
> >equally available to everyone who has access privileges
> to the folder,
> >on a first-come, first-served basis. Multiple users
> making changes to
> >the same file simultaneously is normally a recipe for
> certain
> >disaster, unless the application, such as a database, has
> been
> >specifically designed for that.
> >
> >Bruce Chambers
> >
> >Help us help you:
> >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >----
> >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
> count on
> >having both at once. -- RAH
> >
> >
> >"Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> OK, I got this back door taken care of, and I have this
> >> new folder so that when one of the kids is working, the
> >> other can work on the paper, and vice versa. My whole
> >> problem is "WHY" What part of "Shared Documents" did I
> >> misunderstanding? Apparetly by default, one Limited
> user
> >> creates a document in the "Shared Documents", now any
> >> other limited user can read it, but cannot write to it.
> >> Blows my mind. Looks like Microsoft needs another
> folder
> >> called "Really Shared Documents"
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Greetings --
> >> >
> >> > If you mean to have both users editing the file
> >> simultaneously,
> >> >the answer is "No." The first person to open the
> >> file "locks" it so
> >> >that any subsequent user trying to access the file can
> >> only get
> >> >read-only access. This is a design feature to prevent
> >> file corruption
> >> >caused by conflicting changes.
> >> >
> >> >Bruce Chambers
> >> >
> >> >Help us help you:
> >> >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >> >----
> >> >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't
> ever
> >> count on
> >> >having both at once. -- RAH
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Dave" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> I have a question for those in the security relm. I
> >> have
> >> >> XP Home. I also have twins who are trying to work
> >> >> together on a paper. Is there any place on the hard
> >> >> drive that BOTH limited users can work on the same
> >> >> document? Right now, even in the "SHARED DOCUMENTS"
> >> only
> >> >> one can read/write while the other can only read.
> Where
> >> >> can I have them put this doc?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >