POWER OUTRAGE.....What happens if....

[TOMMY@hotmail.com]

When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard disk,
saving files ,......?

And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
theses activities?

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[Will Denny]

Hi

Any outage when a PC is turned on can be disastrous - best to invest in =
an UPS - that way you will have time to save any data files that you are =
working and be able to shut the PC down properly.

If you in the middle of an install, with XP, the install 'should' pick =
up where it left off - but that can't guaranteed - a piece of hardware =
could have been fried by then. With a format, again you 'should' be =
able to pick up... unless the HD is fried...

Will

" > wrote in message =
...
> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a =
power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard =
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>=20
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?
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> Regards.
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[Aaron Stamboulieh]

I've heard that cutting power in the middle of disk defragmenting can cause
irreparable damage to whatever data it was working on, although I have never
seen this happen.

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" > wrote in message
...
> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?
>
> Regards.
> --
> "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> --
>
>
>
>

[GSV Three Minds in a Can]

Bitstring >, from the wonderful
person " > said
>When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
>outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard disk,
>saving files ,......?

Converting from FAT32->NTFS or vice versa.
Flashing a new BIOS (or other firmware, e.g. DVD drive).
I guess restoring, upgrading, etc. would be in there too .. you may be
left in an 'in between' state that isn't workable.

Anything involving a lot of disk activity isn't too clever anyway - with
FAT32 you may corrupt the disk (less likely with NTFS, but you may still
lose file(s)), and occasionally you can physically damage the disk
(modern disks are a bit saner about it that the early ones used to be).

>And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
>theses activities?

Cry. Pray. There really isn't anything useful you can do - at the point
the lights go off the damage is already done (or not). Best thing to do
is get a UPS before you do this stuff. Second best thing, check the
weather (and round here the time - 'scheduled' power blips seem to be
done on the hour, for some reason).

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[Papa]

Depends on what value you place on each of the categories you listed. Get
yourself a UPS. Some are selling for as low as $30.

At any rate, without a UPS, a power outage during the middle of some process
that includes writes to your hard drive will result in the loss of some
data.

" > wrote in message
...
> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?
>
> Regards.
> --
> "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> --
>
>
>
>

[PCyr]

Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD screen.
My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only get
less than 2 minutes of power. As well, I am returning it to the store,
since, if my computer is in standby and the power goes out, the computer
will wake up, and then hibernate. This sudden requirement for power will
trip the circuit breaker for my UPS, since it thinks there is a power surge.
I'm not sure about all UPS's, because mine was the APC Back-UPS EZ 350, and
only cost $75.00 CND. In short, an 'eco-UPS' :-P.

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"Will Denny" > wrote in message
...
Hi

Any outage when a PC is turned on can be disastrous - best to invest in an
UPS - that way you will have time to save any data files that you are
working and be able to shut the PC down properly.

If you in the middle of an install, with XP, the install 'should' pick up
where it left off - but that can't guaranteed - a piece of hardware could
have been fried by then. With a format, again you 'should' be able to pick
up... unless the HD is fried...

Will

" > wrote in message
...
> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?
>
> Regards.
> --
> "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> --
>
>
>
>


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[PCyr]

I don't think that is true. I'm almost positive the system copies the data
to the new spot, and then deletes it from the old spot. Preventing what you
are talking about.

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"Aaron Stamboulieh" > wrote in message
...
> I've heard that cutting power in the middle of disk defragmenting can
cause
> irreparable damage to whatever data it was working on, although I have
never
> seen this happen.
>
> --
> Aaron Stamboulieh - MCSA, A+
>
> " > wrote in message
> ...
> > When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
power
> > outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
> disk,
> > saving files ,......?
> >
> > And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> > theses activities?
> >
> > Regards.
> > --
> > "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[PCyr]

Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD screen.
My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only get
less than 2 minutes of power. As well, I am returning it to the store,
since, if my computer is in standby and the power goes out, the computer
will wake up, and then hibernate. This sudden requirement for power will
trip the circuit breaker for my UPS, since it thinks there is a power surge.
I'm not sure about all UPS's, because mine was the APC Back-UPS EZ 350, and
only cost $75.00 CND. In short, an 'eco-UPS' :-P.

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"GSV Three Minds in a Can" ]> wrote in message
...
> Bitstring >, from the wonderful
> person " > said
> >When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
power
> >outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> >saving files ,......?
>
> Converting from FAT32->NTFS or vice versa.
> Flashing a new BIOS (or other firmware, e.g. DVD drive).
> I guess restoring, upgrading, etc. would be in there too .. you may be
> left in an 'in between' state that isn't workable.
>
> Anything involving a lot of disk activity isn't too clever anyway - with
> FAT32 you may corrupt the disk (less likely with NTFS, but you may still
> lose file(s)), and occasionally you can physically damage the disk
> (modern disks are a bit saner about it that the early ones used to be).
>
> >And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> >theses activities?
>
> Cry. Pray. There really isn't anything useful you can do - at the point
> the lights go off the damage is already done (or not). Best thing to do
> is get a UPS before you do this stuff. Second best thing, check the
> weather (and round here the time - 'scheduled' power blips seem to be
> done on the hour, for some reason).
>
> --
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> Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

[PCyr]

Be careful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD screen.
My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only get
less than 2 minutes of power. As well, I am returning it to the store,
since, if my computer is in standby and the power goes out, the computer
will wake up, and then hibernate. This sudden requirement for power will
trip the circuit breaker for my UPS, since it thinks there is a power surge.
I'm not sure about all UPS's, because mine was the APC Back-UPS EZ 350, and
only cost $75.00 CND. In short, an 'eco-UPS' :-P.

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"Papa" > wrote in message
...
> Depends on what value you place on each of the categories you listed. Get
> yourself a UPS. Some are selling for as low as $30.
>
> At any rate, without a UPS, a power outage during the middle of some
process
> that includes writes to your hard drive will result in the loss of some
> data.
>
> " > wrote in message
> ...
> > When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
power
> > outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
> disk,
> > saving files ,......?
> >
> > And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> > theses activities?
> >
> > Regards.
> > --
> > "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[TOMMY@hotmail.com]

I do agee with you.... but the problem is with those half rewritten files
which are flied away in the middle of the work..you know...
"PCyr" > wrote in message
...
> I don't think that is true. I'm almost positive the system copies the
data
> to the new spot, and then deletes it from the old spot. Preventing what
you
> are talking about.
>
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>
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> "Aaron Stamboulieh" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've heard that cutting power in the middle of disk defragmenting can
> cause
> > irreparable damage to whatever data it was working on, although I have
> never
> > seen this happen.
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Stamboulieh - MCSA, A+
> >
> > " > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
> power
> > > outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
> > disk,
> > > saving files ,......?
> > >
> > > And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> > > theses activities?
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > --
> > > "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[PCyr]

The computer makes a copy of the data to the new location, *then* deletes
the old data. If there is a power outage, the computer will clean up the
half written files.

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" > wrote in message
...
> I do agee with you.... but the problem is with those half rewritten files
> which are flied away in the middle of the work..you know...
> "PCyr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I don't think that is true. I'm almost positive the system copies the
> data
> > to the new spot, and then deletes it from the old spot. Preventing what
> you
> > are talking about.
> >
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> > ------------------
> > "Aaron Stamboulieh" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've heard that cutting power in the middle of disk defragmenting can
> > cause
> > > irreparable damage to whatever data it was working on, although I have
> > never
> > > seen this happen.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron Stamboulieh - MCSA, A+
> > >
> > > " > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
> > power
> > > > outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the
hard
> > > disk,
> > > > saving files ,......?
> > > >
> > > > And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one
of
> > > > theses activities?
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > > --
> > > > "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[CZ]

>> Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD screen.
My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only get
less than 2 minutes of power.

PCyr:

Use APC's UPS selector to size a UPS:
http://www.apcc.com/template/size/apc/

[Allen]

If you invested the money to buy a computer, invest to protect it and the
data on it. Use surge protectors for peripherals such as printers. Get a
good UPS that will endure a few minutes of outage (sometimes the outage is
very short).

Brands and prices vary so shop around. Find a good buy on www.pricewatch.com
(other + backup supplies).

Al

" > wrote in message
...
> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?
>
> Regards.
> --
> "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
> --
>
>
>
>

[CZ]

>> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
power
outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard disk,
saving files ,......?

And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
theses activities?

Tom:

IMO, when writing to the hard disk.

I have on occasion, deliberately hit the reset switch on a test computer
when the hard disk light was out, to test the op system/apps.
Generally, in NT based op system it has not caused problems.

Size a UPS, then buy accordingly
http://www.apcc.com/template/size/apc/

[Will Denny]

....invest in a more powerful UPS?

Will

"CZ" > wrote in message =
...
> >> Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It =
says
> it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD =
screen.
> My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will =
only get
> less than 2 minutes of power.
>=20
> PCyr:
>=20
> Use APC's UPS selector to size a UPS:
> http://www.apcc.com/template/size/apc/
>=20
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[PCyr]

Good advice. That's what I was saying. Guess I wasn't clear enough.

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"Will Denny" > wrote in message
...
....invest in a more powerful UPS?

Will

"CZ" > wrote in message
...
> >> Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
> it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD
screen.
> My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only
get
> less than 2 minutes of power.
>
> PCyr:
>
> Use APC's UPS selector to size a UPS:
> http://www.apcc.com/template/size/apc/
>
>


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[PCyr]

Thanks.

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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
> >> Becareful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It says
> it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15" LCD
screen.
> My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT monitor, will only
get
> less than 2 minutes of power.
>
> PCyr:
>
> Use APC's UPS selector to size a UPS:
> http://www.apcc.com/template/size/apc/
>
>

[Strontium]

In this respect, as well as 'surge protectors', you get what you pay for.
Good UPS solutions cost BUCKS.

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PCyr stood up at show-n-tell, in , and
said:

> Be careful with UPS's though. I just bought on a few days ago. It
> says it'll last 19 minutes, but that is only with an IMac with a 15"
> LCD screen. My computer, a high-end power sucker, with a 19" CRT
> monitor, will only get less than 2 minutes of power. As well, I am
> returning it to the store, since, if my computer is in standby and
> the power goes out, the computer will wake up, and then hibernate.
> This sudden requirement for power will trip the circuit breaker for
> my UPS, since it thinks there is a power surge. I'm not sure about
> all UPS's, because mine was the APC Back-UPS EZ 350, and only cost
> $75.00 CND. In short, an 'eco-UPS' :-P.
>
>
> Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
> Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
> Change the obvious to the obvious.
> ------------------
> "Papa" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Depends on what value you place on each of the categories you
>> listed. Get yourself a UPS. Some are selling for as low as $30.
>>
>> At any rate, without a UPS, a power outage during the middle of some
>> process that includes writes to your hard drive will result in the
>> loss of some data.
>>
>> " > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having
>>> a power outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software,
>>> Formatting the hard disk, saving files ,......?
>>>
>>> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one
>>> of theses activities?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> --
>>> "OS is your MAOP for your small digital city"
>>> --

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now, and then, I kick the livin' **** `outta me." - Lit

[Kent W. England [MVP]]

I think the most dangerous time working with a computer is when you are
on top of a ladder in the middle of a room with a laptop and the lights
go out. I think you should wait until the lights come back on before
trying to climb down.

The worst time to suffer a power outrage when using the computer is when
you are doing a BIOS upgrade. Could be time to replace the motherboard.
That is certainly an outrage.

Next is restoring or defragmenting a hard drive. Formatting doesn't much
matter since you can just do it again. But screwing up your file system
could lose you a lot of data.

Why not get a UPS? and a flashlight, while you're at it.

--
Kent W. England, Microsoft MVP for Windows



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> When is the most dangerous time working with a computer and having a
power
> outrage?e.g.: Restoring XP, Installing a software, Formatting the hard
disk,
> saving files ,......?
>
> And what shall a fellow do if the case happens in the middle of one of
> theses activities?

[Papa]

OK, Kent, I want to know what you were doing on top of that ladder in the
middle of the room with a laptop, and when did you climb down. ;>)

"Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> I think the most dangerous time working with a computer is when you are
> on top of a ladder in the middle of a room with a laptop and the lights
> go out. I think you should wait until the lights come back on before
> trying to climb down.
>

[Joan Archer]

Perhaps he forgot his torch and he's still there <vbg>
Joan

"Papa" > wrote in message
...
> OK, Kent, I want to know what you were doing on top of that ladder in the
> middle of the room with a laptop, and when did you climb down. ;>)
>
> "Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message

[Kent W. England [MVP]]

I was trying to hack into this wireless network and I was looking for a
signal. ;-)

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"Papa" > wrote in message
...
> OK, Kent, I want to know what you were doing on top of that ladder in
the
> middle of the room with a laptop, and when did you climb down. ;>)
>
> "Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I think the most dangerous time working with a computer is when you
are
> > on top of a ladder in the middle of a room with a laptop and the
lights
> > go out. I think you should wait until the lights come back on before
> > trying to climb down.
> >
>
>

[Will Denny]

Hi Joan

'In between visits' ATM. When are you going to venture into the =
..general NG? BTW - 3rd series of 'The Osbournes' starting soon. - I =
know, but thought that you might too know <VSG>.

Will

"Joan Archer" > wrote in message =
...
> Perhaps he forgot his torch and he's still there <vbg>
> Joan
>=20
> "Papa" > wrote in message
> ...
> > OK, Kent, I want to know what you were doing on top of that ladder =
in the
> > middle of the room with a laptop, and when did you climb down. ;>)
> >
> > "Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
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[Papa]

Aha! Just as I suspected. ;>)

"Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> I was trying to hack into this wireless network and I was looking for a
> signal. ;-)
>
> --
> Kent W. England, Microsoft MVP for Windows
>
>
>
> "Papa" > wrote in message
> ...
> > OK, Kent, I want to know what you were doing on top of that ladder in
> the
> > middle of the room with a laptop, and when did you climb down. ;>)
> >
> > "Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I think the most dangerous time working with a computer is when you
> are
> > > on top of a ladder in the middle of a room with a laptop and the
> lights
> > > go out. I think you should wait until the lights come back on before
> > > trying to climb down.
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Joan Archer]

*lol* Me in General you must be joking I can't keep up with the ones I've
got now and you know how big general is. Maybe if and when I get rid of my
WinME groups but I like it in there it's nice and friendly <g> and we can
have a laugh.
Joan

"Will Denny" > wrote in message
...
Hi Joan

'In between visits' ATM. When are you going to venture into the .general
NG? BTW - 3rd series of 'The Osbournes' starting soon. - I know, but
thought that you might too know <VSG>.

Will

"

[Will Denny]

....and it's not 'nice and friendly here'? Good idea, drop the ME NGs - =
I suppose I shall get an 'earfull' from Mike now. I know what you mean =
-the XP.general NG is so serious, but October is nigh. BTW, I shall be =
around for about the next 18 hours, then another 36/48 hour hospital =
watch - I shall soon look like Noel <shiver>. I'm going to take dad =
some of his favourite tipple tomorrow -if he can't/won't drink it, I =
will :-))

Cheers.

Will

"Joan Archer" > wrote in message =
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> *lol* Me in General you must be joking I can't keep up with the ones =
I've
> got now and you know how big general is. Maybe if and when I get rid =
of my
> WinME groups but I like it in there it's nice and friendly <g> and we =
can
> have a laugh.
> Joan
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> "Will Denny" > wrote in message
> ...
> Hi Joan
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> 'In between visits' ATM. When are you going to venture into the =
..general
> NG? BTW - 3rd series of 'The Osbournes' starting soon. - I know, but
> thought that you might too know <VSG>.
>=20
> Will
>=20
> "
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[Joan Archer]

*lol* The tipple is suppose to be for your Dad, you can always leave it for
him <g> and as for looking like Noel I take it you don't have a beard and I
love men with beards so you leave him alone <vbg>
Talk to you again soon
Joan

"Will Denny" > wrote in message
...
....and it's not 'nice and friendly here'? Good idea, drop the ME NGs - I
suppose I shall get an 'earfull' from Mike now. I know what you mean -the
XP.general NG is so serious, but October is nigh. BTW, I shall be around for
about the next 18 hours, then another 36/48 hour hospital watch - I shall
soon look like Noel <shiver>. I'm going to take dad some of his favourite
tipple tomorrow -if he can't/won't drink it, I will :-))

Cheers.

Will