Hibernate with reboot instead of power off

[Roy]

Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3) to
reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off after
hibernate. You may ask, Why?

Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton and
Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use Windows
2000 system on another partition while you're working on
Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're working
with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
partiton to be the active partition using the Disk Tool
(or you may have a boot manager which can be configured
which partition to boot next time), then you hibernate the
XP. Then you "have to press the power button manually" to
restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do the
same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press the
power on button again right?

So why not reboot automatically right after hibernate?
Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort of
remote admin software and you don't want to drive from
home to office just to power on a machine when you should
be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Hi Roy,
Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any OS, residing on that
hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other OS (Windows 2000 in
your case), then please shutdown your current OS (Windows XP..in your case)
and then boot to the other OS.

Some useful links:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
sp
http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/default.asp


--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3) to
> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off after
> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>
> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton and
> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use Windows
> 2000 system on another partition while you're working on
> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're working
> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk Tool
> (or you may have a boot manager which can be configured
> which partition to boot next time), then you hibernate the
> XP. Then you "have to press the power button manually" to
> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do the
> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press the
> power on button again right?
>
> So why not reboot automatically right after hibernate?
> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort of
> remote admin software and you don't want to drive from
> home to office just to power on a machine when you should
> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?

[Roy]

Hi Anando,

Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions, one
is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3 FS.
Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition is
inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel level).
Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one byte
of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would that
be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the machine
remotely right after hibernation?

Cheers,
Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Roy,
>Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any OS,
residing on that
>hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other OS
(Windows 2000 in
>your case), then please shutdown your current OS (Windows
XP..in your case)
>and then boot to the other OS.
>
>Some useful links:
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>sp
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
t.asp
>
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3) to
>> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off
after
>> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>>
>> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
>> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton and
>> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
Windows
>> 2000 system on another partition while you're working on
>> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
working
>> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
>> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk Tool
>> (or you may have a boot manager which can be configured
>> which partition to boot next time), then you hibernate
the
>> XP. Then you "have to press the power button manually"
to
>> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
>> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
>> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do the
>> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press
the
>> power on button again right?
>>
>> So why not reboot automatically right after hibernate?
>> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort of
>> remote admin software and you don't want to drive from
>> home to office just to power on a machine when you
should
>> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Roy,
I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite some time back we had
a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some issues about hibernation
was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice if Walter chips in
and helps you :-)

I quote Walter:

"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three conditions are meet. And
no,
it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the video and sound
arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be better than signed drivers
in the gaming market. That however depends on the vendor. However the
weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around device drivers and
BIOS with some applications causing problems as well. Generally for a
desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into trouble shooting power
management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some instances, may be
impossible to resolve until a person can get the required support from their
hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking especially with older
hardware. There is also the potential that in order fully manage power on a
system, a person may have to back level drivers and loose functionality.
For some specific, high level information on XP go here :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
sp
For some deeper generic information, you can read some info here:
http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/default.asp "

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Anando,
>
> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions, one
> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3 FS.
> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition is
> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel level).
> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one byte
> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would that
> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the machine
> remotely right after hibernation?
>
> Cheers,
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Roy,
> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any OS,
> residing on that
> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other OS
> (Windows 2000 in
> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS (Windows
> XP..in your case)
> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >
> >Some useful links:
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >sp
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> t.asp
> >
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3) to
> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off
> after
> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >>
> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton and
> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
> Windows
> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're working on
> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
> working
> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk Tool
> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be configured
> >> which partition to boot next time), then you hibernate
> the
> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button manually"
> to
> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do the
> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press
> the
> >> power on button again right?
> >>
> >> So why not reboot automatically right after hibernate?
> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort of
> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive from
> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
> should
> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Roy]

Anando,

Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about Win98? I
have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on the
2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to the
office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the 2nd
from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on the
not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate". Then
the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
partition.

I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.

Cheers,
Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Roy,
>I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite
some time back we had
>a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some issues
about hibernation
>was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice
if Walter chips in
>and helps you :-)
>
>I quote Walter:
>
>"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
conditions are meet. And
>no,
>it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the
video and sound
>arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be better
than signed drivers
>in the gaming market. That however depends on the vendor.
However the
>weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around
device drivers and
>BIOS with some applications causing problems as well.
Generally for a
>desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
trouble shooting power
>management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some
instances, may be
>impossible to resolve until a person can get the required
support from their
>hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
especially with older
>hardware. There is also the potential that in order fully
manage power on a
>system, a person may have to back level drivers and loose
functionality.
>For some specific, high level information on XP go here :
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>sp
>For some deeper generic information, you can read some
info here:
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
t.asp "
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Hi Anando,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions,
one
>> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3
FS.
>> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
>> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition is
>> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel level).
>> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one
byte
>> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would that
>> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the machine
>> remotely right after hibernation?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi Roy,
>> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any
OS,
>> residing on that
>> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other
OS
>> (Windows 2000 in
>> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
(Windows
>> XP..in your case)
>> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >
>> >Some useful links:
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >sp
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> t.asp
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3)
to
>> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off
>> after
>> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >>
>> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
>> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton
and
>> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
>> Windows
>> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
working on
>> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
>> working
>> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
>> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk
Tool
>> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
configured
>> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
hibernate
>> the
>> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
manually"
>> to
>> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
>> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
>> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do
the
>> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press
>> the
>> >> power on button again right?
>> >>
>> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
hibernate?
>> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort
of
>> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive
from
>> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
>> should
>> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Hi Roy,
Since Windows 98 cant read NTFS, so i guess it wont create much of a problem
if you hibernate XP and boot into 98. Going through some research on this
matter...will let you more into this soon.

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Anando,
>
> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about Win98? I
> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on the
> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to the
> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the 2nd
> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on the
> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate". Then
> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
> partition.
>
> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>
> Cheers,
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Roy,
> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite
> some time back we had
> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some issues
> about hibernation
> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice
> if Walter chips in
> >and helps you :-)
> >
> >I quote Walter:
> >
> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
> conditions are meet. And
> >no,
> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the
> video and sound
> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be better
> than signed drivers
> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the vendor.
> However the
> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around
> device drivers and
> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as well.
> Generally for a
> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
> trouble shooting power
> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some
> instances, may be
> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the required
> support from their
> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
> especially with older
> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order fully
> manage power on a
> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and loose
> functionality.
> >For some specific, high level information on XP go here :
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >sp
> >For some deeper generic information, you can read some
> info here:
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> t.asp "
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hi Anando,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions,
> one
> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3
> FS.
> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition is
> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel level).
> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one
> byte
> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would that
> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the machine
> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any
> OS,
> >> residing on that
> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other
> OS
> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
> (Windows
> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >
> >> >Some useful links:
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >sp
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> t.asp
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3)
> to
> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off
> >> after
> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >>
> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton
> and
> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
> >> Windows
> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
> working on
> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
> >> working
> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk
> Tool
> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
> configured
> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
> hibernate
> >> the
> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
> manually"
> >> to
> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do
> the
> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press
> >> the
> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >>
> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
> hibernate?
> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort
> of
> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive
> from
> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
> >> should
> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Hi Roy,
Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the NTFS partition where XP
resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will read it and its structure.
When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once again when you wake up XP,
it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT partition and the whole
HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS WRONG. Things have been
changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole situation can make things
tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.

So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot into 98. Or for that
matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your computer through a
bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot into 98.

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Anando,
>
> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about Win98? I
> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on the
> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to the
> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the 2nd
> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on the
> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate". Then
> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
> partition.
>
> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>
> Cheers,
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Roy,
> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite
> some time back we had
> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some issues
> about hibernation
> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice
> if Walter chips in
> >and helps you :-)
> >
> >I quote Walter:
> >
> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
> conditions are meet. And
> >no,
> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the
> video and sound
> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be better
> than signed drivers
> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the vendor.
> However the
> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around
> device drivers and
> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as well.
> Generally for a
> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
> trouble shooting power
> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some
> instances, may be
> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the required
> support from their
> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
> especially with older
> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order fully
> manage power on a
> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and loose
> functionality.
> >For some specific, high level information on XP go here :
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >sp
> >For some deeper generic information, you can read some
> info here:
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> t.asp "
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hi Anando,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions,
> one
> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3
> FS.
> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition is
> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel level).
> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one
> byte
> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would that
> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the machine
> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when any
> OS,
> >> residing on that
> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the other
> OS
> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
> (Windows
> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >
> >> >Some useful links:
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >sp
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> t.asp
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows (XP/2k/2k3)
> to
> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power off
> >> after
> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >>
> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on different
> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one partiton
> and
> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
> >> Windows
> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
> working on
> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
> >> working
> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your 2nd
> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk
> Tool
> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
> configured
> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
> hibernate
> >> the
> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
> manually"
> >> to
> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on your
> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes, do
> the
> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to press
> >> the
> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >>
> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
> hibernate?
> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some sort
> of
> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive
> from
> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
> >> should
> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Roy]

Hi Anando,

What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is being
used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active before I
reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an unknown
partition (put an linux's partition ID for example). Then
when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be active I
also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal. Would
that now be safe?

Cheers,
Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Roy,
>Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the NTFS
partition where XP
>resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will read it
and its structure.
>When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once again
when you wake up XP,
>it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
partition and the whole
>HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS WRONG.
Things have been
>changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole situation
can make things
>tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
>
>So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot into
98. Or for that
>matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
computer through a
>bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot into 98.
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Anando,
>>
>> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about Win98?
I
>> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on
the
>> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to the
>> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the
2nd
>> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on the
>> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate". Then
>> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
>> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
>> partition.
>>
>> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
>> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Roy,
>> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite
>> some time back we had
>> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some
issues
>> about hibernation
>> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice
>> if Walter chips in
>> >and helps you :-)
>> >
>> >I quote Walter:
>> >
>> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
>> conditions are meet. And
>> >no,
>> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the
>> video and sound
>> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
better
>> than signed drivers
>> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
vendor.
>> However the
>> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around
>> device drivers and
>> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as well.
>> Generally for a
>> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
>> trouble shooting power
>> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some
>> instances, may be
>> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
required
>> support from their
>> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
>> especially with older
>> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order
fully
>> manage power on a
>> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and
loose
>> functionality.
>> >For some specific, high level information on XP go
here :
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >sp
>> >For some deeper generic information, you can read some
>> info here:
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> t.asp "
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Hi Anando,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions,
>> one
>> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3
>> FS.
>> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
>> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition
is
>> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
level).
>> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one
>> byte
>> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would
that
>> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
machine
>> >> remotely right after hibernation?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Roy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when
any
>> OS,
>> >> residing on that
>> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the
other
>> OS
>> >> (Windows 2000 in
>> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
>> (Windows
>> >> XP..in your case)
>> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >> >
>> >> >Some useful links:
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >sp
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> t.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Anando
>> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
(XP/2k/2k3)
>> to
>> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power
off
>> >> after
>> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
different
>> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
partiton
>> and
>> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
>> >> Windows
>> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
>> working on
>> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
>> >> working
>> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your
2nd
>> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk
>> Tool
>> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
>> configured
>> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
>> hibernate
>> >> the
>> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
>> manually"
>> >> to
>> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
>> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on
your
>> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes,
do
>> the
>> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to
press
>> >> the
>> >> >> power on button again right?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
>> hibernate?
>> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some
sort
>> of
>> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive
>> from
>> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
>> >> should
>> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98, there is a *global*
change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to believe that it is in the
same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So that is the catch...and
this could lead to problems.

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Anando,
>
> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is being
> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active before I
> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an unknown
> partition (put an linux's partition ID for example). Then
> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be active I
> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal. Would
> that now be safe?
>
> Cheers,
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Roy,
> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the NTFS
> partition where XP
> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will read it
> and its structure.
> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once again
> when you wake up XP,
> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
> partition and the whole
> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS WRONG.
> Things have been
> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole situation
> can make things
> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
> >
> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot into
> 98. Or for that
> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
> computer through a
> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot into 98.
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Anando,
> >>
> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about Win98?
> I
> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on
> the
> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to the
> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the
> 2nd
> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on the
> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate". Then
> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
> >> partition.
> >>
> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Roy,
> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting. Quite
> >> some time back we had
> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some
> issues
> >> about hibernation
> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be nice
> >> if Walter chips in
> >> >and helps you :-)
> >> >
> >> >I quote Walter:
> >> >
> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
> >> conditions are meet. And
> >> >no,
> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In the
> >> video and sound
> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
> better
> >> than signed drivers
> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
> vendor.
> >> However the
> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve around
> >> device drivers and
> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as well.
> >> Generally for a
> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
> >> trouble shooting power
> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in some
> >> instances, may be
> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
> required
> >> support from their
> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
> >> especially with older
> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order
> fully
> >> manage power on a
> >> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and
> loose
> >> functionality.
> >> >For some specific, high level information on XP go
> here :
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >sp
> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can read some
> >> info here:
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> t.asp "
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary partitions,
> >> one
> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with Ext3
> >> FS.
> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's partition. My
> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the partition
> is
> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
> level).
> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only one
> >> byte
> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS. Would
> that
> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
> machine
> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Roy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when
> any
> >> OS,
> >> >> residing on that
> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the
> other
> >> OS
> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
> >> (Windows
> >> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Some useful links:
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >sp
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> t.asp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
> (XP/2k/2k3)
> >> to
> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power
> off
> >> >> after
> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
> different
> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
> partiton
> >> and
> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to use
> >> >> Windows
> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
> >> working on
> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what you're
> >> >> working
> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your
> 2nd
> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the Disk
> >> Tool
> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
> >> configured
> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
> >> hibernate
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
> >> manually"
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the 2nd
> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work on
> your
> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP? Yes,
> do
> >> the
> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to
> press
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
> >> hibernate?
> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some
> sort
> >> of
> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to drive
> >> from
> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when you
> >> >> should
> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Roy]

Do you mean XP also looks into the content of unrecognized
partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98 partition
is now disabled while running XP.

Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98, there
is a *global*
>change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to believe
that it is in the
>same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So that is
the catch...and
>this could lead to problems.
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Hi Anando,
>>
>> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is being
>> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active before
I
>> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an unknown
>> partition (put an linux's partition ID for example).
Then
>> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be active
I
>> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal. Would
>> that now be safe?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi Roy,
>> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the
NTFS
>> partition where XP
>> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will read it
>> and its structure.
>> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once again
>> when you wake up XP,
>> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
>> partition and the whole
>> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS WRONG.
>> Things have been
>> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
situation
>> can make things
>> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
>> >
>> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot into
>> 98. Or for that
>> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
>> computer through a
>> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot into
98.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Anando,
>> >>
>> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about
Win98?
>> I
>> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on
>> the
>> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to
the
>> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the
>> 2nd
>> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on
the
>> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate".
Then
>> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
>> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
>> >> partition.
>> >>
>> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
>> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Roy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Roy,
>> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting.
Quite
>> >> some time back we had
>> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some
>> issues
>> >> about hibernation
>> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be
nice
>> >> if Walter chips in
>> >> >and helps you :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >I quote Walter:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
>> >> conditions are meet. And
>> >> >no,
>> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In
the
>> >> video and sound
>> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
>> better
>> >> than signed drivers
>> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
>> vendor.
>> >> However the
>> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve
around
>> >> device drivers and
>> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as
well.
>> >> Generally for a
>> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
>> >> trouble shooting power
>> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in
some
>> >> instances, may be
>> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
>> required
>> >> support from their
>> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
>> >> especially with older
>> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order
>> fully
>> >> manage power on a
>> >> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and
>> loose
>> >> functionality.
>> >> >For some specific, high level information on XP go
>> here :
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >sp
>> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can read
some
>> >> info here:
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> t.asp "
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Anando
>> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
partitions,
>> >> one
>> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with
Ext3
>> >> FS.
>> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
partition. My
>> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
partition
>> is
>> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
>> level).
>> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only
one
>> >> byte
>> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS.
Would
>> that
>> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
>> machine
>> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when
>> any
>> >> OS,
>> >> >> residing on that
>> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the
>> other
>> >> OS
>> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
>> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
>> >> (Windows
>> >> >> XP..in your case)
>> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Some useful links:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >sp
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> t.asp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
>> (XP/2k/2k3)
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power
>> off
>> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
>> different
>> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
>> partiton
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to
use
>> >> >> Windows
>> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
>> >> working on
>> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what
you're
>> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your
>> 2nd
>> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the
Disk
>> >> Tool
>> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
>> >> configured
>> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
>> >> hibernate
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
>> >> manually"
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the
2nd
>> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work
on
>> your
>> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP?
Yes,
>> do
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to
>> press
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> power on button again right?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
>> >> hibernate?
>> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some
>> sort
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to
drive
>> >> from
>> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when
you
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the 98 partition from XP
?

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of unrecognized
> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98 partition
> is now disabled while running XP.
>
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98, there
> is a *global*
> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to believe
> that it is in the
> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So that is
> the catch...and
> >this could lead to problems.
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hi Anando,
> >>
> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is being
> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active before
> I
> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an unknown
> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for example).
> Then
> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be active
> I
> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal. Would
> >> that now be safe?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the
> NTFS
> >> partition where XP
> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will read it
> >> and its structure.
> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once again
> >> when you wake up XP,
> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
> >> partition and the whole
> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS WRONG.
> >> Things have been
> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
> situation
> >> can make things
> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
> >> >
> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot into
> >> 98. Or for that
> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
> >> computer through a
> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot into
> 98.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Anando,
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about
> Win98?
> >> I
> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and 98 on
> >> the
> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home to
> the
> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to the
> >> 2nd
> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click on
> the
> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate".
> Then
> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the 98
> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
> >> >> partition.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Roy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Roy,
> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting.
> Quite
> >> >> some time back we had
> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and some
> >> issues
> >> >> about hibernation
> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would be
> nice
> >> >> if Walter chips in
> >> >> >and helps you :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I quote Walter:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
> >> >> conditions are meet. And
> >> >> >no,
> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not. In
> the
> >> >> video and sound
> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
> >> better
> >> >> than signed drivers
> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
> >> vendor.
> >> >> However the
> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve
> around
> >> >> device drivers and
> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as
> well.
> >> >> Generally for a
> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes into
> >> >> trouble shooting power
> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in
> some
> >> >> instances, may be
> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
> >> required
> >> >> support from their
> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be lacking
> >> >> especially with older
> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in order
> >> fully
> >> >> manage power on a
> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level drivers and
> >> loose
> >> >> functionality.
> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on XP go
> >> here :
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can read
> some
> >> >> info here:
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> t.asp "
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
> partitions,
> >> >> one
> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux with
> Ext3
> >> >> FS.
> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
> partition. My
> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
> partition
> >> is
> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
> >> level).
> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS. Only
> one
> >> >> byte
> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS.
> Would
> >> that
> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
> >> machine
> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended when
> >> any
> >> >> OS,
> >> >> >> residing on that
> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use the
> >> other
> >> >> OS
> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current OS
> >> >> (Windows
> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> >> t.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it power
> >> off
> >> >> >> after
> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
> >> different
> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
> >> partiton
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want to
> use
> >> >> >> Windows
> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while you're
> >> >> working on
> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what
> you're
> >> >> >> working
> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set your
> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using the
> Disk
> >> >> Tool
> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
> >> >> configured
> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
> >> >> hibernate
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
> >> >> manually"
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to the
> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can work
> on
> >> your
> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP?
> Yes,
> >> do
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you have to
> >> press
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
> >> >> hibernate?
> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using some
> >> sort
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to
> drive
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine when
> you
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Roy]

Yes, Anando. All of them can do "hide" partitions.

Cheers,
Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the 98
partition from XP
>?
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of
unrecognized
>> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98 partition
>> is now disabled while running XP.
>>
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98,
there
>> is a *global*
>> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to believe
>> that it is in the
>> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So that
is
>> the catch...and
>> >this could lead to problems.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Hi Anando,
>> >>
>> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is
being
>> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active
before
>> I
>> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an
unknown
>> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for example).
>> Then
>> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be
active
>> I
>> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal.
Would
>> >> that now be safe?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Roy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the
>> NTFS
>> >> partition where XP
>> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will
read it
>> >> and its structure.
>> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once
again
>> >> when you wake up XP,
>> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
>> >> partition and the whole
>> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS
WRONG.
>> >> Things have been
>> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
>> situation
>> >> can make things
>> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
>> >> >
>> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot
into
>> >> 98. Or for that
>> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
>> >> computer through a
>> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot
into
>> 98.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Anando
>> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> Anando,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about
>> Win98?
>> >> I
>> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and
98 on
>> >> the
>> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home
to
>> the
>> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to
the
>> >> 2nd
>> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click
on
>> the
>> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate".
>> Then
>> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the
98
>> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
>> >> >> partition.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible
to
>> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Roy,
>> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting.
>> Quite
>> >> >> some time back we had
>> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and
some
>> >> issues
>> >> >> about hibernation
>> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would
be
>> nice
>> >> >> if Walter chips in
>> >> >> >and helps you :-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I quote Walter:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
>> >> >> conditions are meet. And
>> >> >> >no,
>> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not.
In
>> the
>> >> >> video and sound
>> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
>> >> better
>> >> >> than signed drivers
>> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
>> >> vendor.
>> >> >> However the
>> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve
>> around
>> >> >> device drivers and
>> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as
>> well.
>> >> >> Generally for a
>> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes
into
>> >> >> trouble shooting power
>> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in
>> some
>> >> >> instances, may be
>> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
>> >> required
>> >> >> support from their
>> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be
lacking
>> >> >> especially with older
>> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in
order
>> >> fully
>> >> >> manage power on a
>> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level drivers
and
>> >> loose
>> >> >> functionality.
>> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on XP
go
>> >> here :
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can read
>> some
>> >> >> info here:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> t.asp "
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
>> partitions,
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux
with
>> Ext3
>> >> >> FS.
>> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
>> partition. My
>> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
>> partition
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
>> >> level).
>> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS.
Only
>> one
>> >> >> byte
>> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS.
>> Would
>> >> that
>> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
>> >> machine
>> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended
when
>> >> any
>> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> >> residing on that
>> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use
the
>> >> other
>> >> >> OS
>> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
>> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current
OS
>> >> >> (Windows
>> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
>> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> >> t.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
>> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it
power
>> >> off
>> >> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
>> >> different
>> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
>> >> partiton
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want
to
>> use
>> >> >> >> Windows
>> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while
you're
>> >> >> working on
>> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what
>> you're
>> >> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set
your
>> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using
the
>> Disk
>> >> >> Tool
>> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
>> >> >> configured
>> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
>> >> >> hibernate
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
>> >> >> manually"
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to
the
>> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can
work
>> on
>> >> your
>> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP?
>> Yes,
>> >> do
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you
have to
>> >> press
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
>> >> >> hibernate?
>> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using
some
>> >> sort
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to
>> drive
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine
when
>> you
>> >> >> >> should
>> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

Roy,
HD issues is just one part of the whole thing. XP might be resuming from
hibernate and meets a device that has been messed around by 98. Since XP
wont know about it, so that might cause a problem.

On the whole, just AVOID multi-boot and hibernate together.

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, Anando. All of them can do "hide" partitions.
>
> Cheers,
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the 98
> partition from XP
> >?
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of
> unrecognized
> >> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98 partition
> >> is now disabled while running XP.
> >>
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98,
> there
> >> is a *global*
> >> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to believe
> >> that it is in the
> >> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So that
> is
> >> the catch...and
> >> >this could lead to problems.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >>
> >> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is
> being
> >> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active
> before
> >> I
> >> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an
> unknown
> >> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for example).
> >> Then
> >> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be
> active
> >> I
> >> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal.
> Would
> >> >> that now be safe?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Roy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read the
> >> NTFS
> >> >> partition where XP
> >> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will
> read it
> >> >> and its structure.
> >> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once
> again
> >> >> when you wake up XP,
> >> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the FAT
> >> >> partition and the whole
> >> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS
> WRONG.
> >> >> Things have been
> >> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
> >> situation
> >> >> can make things
> >> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot
> into
> >> >> 98. Or for that
> >> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up your
> >> >> computer through a
> >> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot
> into
> >> 98.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> Anando,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how about
> >> Win98?
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and
> 98 on
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from home
> to
> >> the
> >> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st to
> the
> >> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and click
> on
> >> the
> >> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after hibernate".
> >> Then
> >> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then the
> 98
> >> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the NTFS
> >> >> >> partition.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible
> to
> >> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >Roy,
> >> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-booting.
> >> Quite
> >> >> >> some time back we had
> >> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and
> some
> >> >> issues
> >> >> >> about hibernation
> >> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him. Would
> be
> >> nice
> >> >> >> if Walter chips in
> >> >> >> >and helps you :-)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I quote Walter:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those three
> >> >> >> conditions are meet. And
> >> >> >> >no,
> >> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or not.
> In
> >> the
> >> >> >> video and sound
> >> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend to be
> >> >> better
> >> >> >> than signed drivers
> >> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on the
> >> >> vendor.
> >> >> >> However the
> >> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to revolve
> >> around
> >> >> >> device drivers and
> >> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems as
> >> well.
> >> >> >> Generally for a
> >> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that goes
> into
> >> >> >> trouble shooting power
> >> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and, in
> >> some
> >> >> >> instances, may be
> >> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get the
> >> >> required
> >> >> >> support from their
> >> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be
> lacking
> >> >> >> especially with older
> >> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in
> order
> >> >> fully
> >> >> >> manage power on a
> >> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level drivers
> and
> >> >> loose
> >> >> >> functionality.
> >> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on XP
> go
> >> >> here :
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can read
> >> some
> >> >> >> info here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> >> t.asp "
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
> >> partitions,
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux
> with
> >> Ext3
> >> >> >> FS.
> >> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
> >> partition. My
> >> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
> >> partition
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at kernel
> >> >> level).
> >> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS.
> Only
> >> one
> >> >> >> byte
> >> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the OS.
> >> Would
> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot the
> >> >> machine
> >> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT recommended
> when
> >> >> any
> >> >> >> OS,
> >> >> >> >> residing on that
> >> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to use
> the
> >> >> other
> >> >> >> OS
> >> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your current
> OS
> >> >> >> (Windows
> >> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> >> >> t.asp
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> >>
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
> >> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it
> power
> >> >> off
> >> >> >> >> after
> >> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
> >> >> different
> >> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on one
> >> >> partiton
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might want
> to
> >> use
> >> >> >> >> Windows
> >> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while
> you're
> >> >> >> working on
> >> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose what
> >> you're
> >> >> >> >> working
> >> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You set
> your
> >> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using
> the
> >> Disk
> >> >> >> Tool
> >> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which can be
> >> >> >> configured
> >> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then you
> >> >> >> hibernate
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power button
> >> >> >> manually"
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot to
> the
> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can
> work
> >> on
> >> >> your
> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to XP?
> >> Yes,
> >> >> do
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you
> have to
> >> >> press
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right after
> >> >> >> hibernate?
> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely using
> some
> >> >> sort
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want to
> >> drive
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine
> when
> >> you
> >> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know how?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Roy]

Alright, Anando. Thank you.

Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Roy,
>HD issues is just one part of the whole thing. XP might
be resuming from
>hibernate and meets a device that has been messed around
by 98. Since XP
>wont know about it, so that might cause a problem.
>
>On the whole, just AVOID multi-boot and hibernate
together.
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Yes, Anando. All of them can do "hide" partitions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the
98
>> partition from XP
>> >?
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of
>> unrecognized
>> >> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98
partition
>> >> is now disabled while running XP.
>> >>
>> >> Roy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98,
>> there
>> >> is a *global*
>> >> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to
believe
>> >> that it is in the
>> >> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So
that
>> is
>> >> the catch...and
>> >> >this could lead to problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Anando
>> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is
>> being
>> >> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active
>> before
>> >> I
>> >> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an
>> unknown
>> >> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for
example).
>> >> Then
>> >> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be
>> active
>> >> I
>> >> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal.
>> Would
>> >> >> that now be safe?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read
the
>> >> NTFS
>> >> >> partition where XP
>> >> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will
>> read it
>> >> >> and its structure.
>> >> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once
>> again
>> >> >> when you wake up XP,
>> >> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the
FAT
>> >> >> partition and the whole
>> >> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS
>> WRONG.
>> >> >> Things have been
>> >> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
>> >> situation
>> >> >> can make things
>> >> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot
>> into
>> >> >> 98. Or for that
>> >> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up
your
>> >> >> computer through a
>> >> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot
>> into
>> >> 98.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> Anando,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how
about
>> >> Win98?
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and
>> 98 on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from
home
>> to
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st
to
>> the
>> >> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and
click
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after
hibernate".
>> >> Then
>> >> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then
the
>> 98
>> >> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the
NTFS
>> >> >> >> partition.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be
possible
>> to
>> >> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >Roy,
>> >> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-
booting.
>> >> Quite
>> >> >> >> some time back we had
>> >> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and
>> some
>> >> >> issues
>> >> >> >> about hibernation
>> >> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him.
Would
>> be
>> >> nice
>> >> >> >> if Walter chips in
>> >> >> >> >and helps you :-)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I quote Walter:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those
three
>> >> >> >> conditions are meet. And
>> >> >> >> >no,
>> >> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or
not.
>> In
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> video and sound
>> >> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend
to be
>> >> >> better
>> >> >> >> than signed drivers
>> >> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on
the
>> >> >> vendor.
>> >> >> >> However the
>> >> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to
revolve
>> >> around
>> >> >> >> device drivers and
>> >> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems
as
>> >> well.
>> >> >> >> Generally for a
>> >> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that
goes
>> into
>> >> >> >> trouble shooting power
>> >> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and,
in
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> instances, may be
>> >> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get
the
>> >> >> required
>> >> >> >> support from their
>> >> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be
>> lacking
>> >> >> >> especially with older
>> >> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in
>> order
>> >> >> fully
>> >> >> >> manage power on a
>> >> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level
drivers
>> and
>> >> >> loose
>> >> >> >> functionality.
>> >> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on
XP
>> go
>> >> >> here :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can
read
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> info here:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> >> t.asp "
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
>> >> partitions,
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux
>> with
>> >> Ext3
>> >> >> >> FS.
>> >> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
>> >> partition. My
>> >> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
>> >> partition
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at
kernel
>> >> >> level).
>> >> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS.
>> Only
>> >> one
>> >> >> >> byte
>> >> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the
OS.
>> >> Would
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot
the
>> >> >> machine
>> >> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT
recommended
>> when
>> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> >> >> residing on that
>> >> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to
use
>> the
>> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> OS
>> >> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
>> >> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your
current
>> OS
>> >> >> >> (Windows
>> >> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
>> >> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> >> >> t.asp
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> >> >>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >news:0cd801c360c8$8dfa1b50
...
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
>> >> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it
>> power
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
>> >> >> different
>> >> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on
one
>> >> >> partiton
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might
want
>> to
>> >> use
>> >> >> >> >> Windows
>> >> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while
>> you're
>> >> >> >> working on
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose
what
>> >> you're
>> >> >> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You
set
>> your
>> >> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using
>> the
>> >> Disk
>> >> >> >> Tool
>> >> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which
can be
>> >> >> >> configured
>> >> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then
you
>> >> >> >> hibernate
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power
button
>> >> >> >> manually"
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot
to
>> the
>> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can
>> work
>> >> on
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to
XP?
>> >> Yes,
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you
>> have to
>> >> >> press
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right
after
>> >> >> >> hibernate?
>> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely
using
>> some
>> >> >> sort
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want
to
>> >> drive
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine
>> when
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> should
>> >> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know
how?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Roy]

Alright, Anando. Thank you.

Roy.


>-----Original Message-----
>Roy,
>HD issues is just one part of the whole thing. XP might
be resuming from
>hibernate and meets a device that has been messed around
by 98. Since XP
>wont know about it, so that might cause a problem.
>
>On the whole, just AVOID multi-boot and hibernate
together.
>
>--
>Anando
>Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>Know more about the MVP program-
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>Indian MVPs-
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>
>
>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>> Yes, Anando. All of them can do "hide" partitions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roy.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the
98
>> partition from XP
>> >?
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anando
>> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >Indian MVPs-
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of
>> unrecognized
>> >> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98
partition
>> >> is now disabled while running XP.
>> >>
>> >> Roy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98,
>> there
>> >> is a *global*
>> >> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to
believe
>> >> that it is in the
>> >> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So
that
>> is
>> >> the catch...and
>> >> >this could lead to problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Anando
>> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is
>> being
>> >> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active
>> before
>> >> I
>> >> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an
>> unknown
>> >> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for
example).
>> >> Then
>> >> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be
>> active
>> >> I
>> >> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal.
>> Would
>> >> >> that now be safe?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read
the
>> >> NTFS
>> >> >> partition where XP
>> >> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will
>> read it
>> >> >> and its structure.
>> >> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once
>> again
>> >> >> when you wake up XP,
>> >> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the
FAT
>> >> >> partition and the whole
>> >> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS
>> WRONG.
>> >> >> Things have been
>> >> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
>> >> situation
>> >> >> can make things
>> >> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot
>> into
>> >> >> 98. Or for that
>> >> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up
your
>> >> >> computer through a
>> >> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot
>> into
>> >> 98.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> Anando,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how
about
>> >> Win98?
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and
>> 98 on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from
home
>> to
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st
to
>> the
>> >> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and
click
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after
hibernate".
>> >> Then
>> >> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then
the
>> 98
>> >> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the
NTFS
>> >> >> >> partition.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be
possible
>> to
>> >> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >Roy,
>> >> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-
booting.
>> >> Quite
>> >> >> >> some time back we had
>> >> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and
>> some
>> >> >> issues
>> >> >> >> about hibernation
>> >> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him.
Would
>> be
>> >> nice
>> >> >> >> if Walter chips in
>> >> >> >> >and helps you :-)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I quote Walter:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those
three
>> >> >> >> conditions are meet. And
>> >> >> >> >no,
>> >> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or
not.
>> In
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> video and sound
>> >> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend
to be
>> >> >> better
>> >> >> >> than signed drivers
>> >> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on
the
>> >> >> vendor.
>> >> >> >> However the
>> >> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to
revolve
>> >> around
>> >> >> >> device drivers and
>> >> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems
as
>> >> well.
>> >> >> >> Generally for a
>> >> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that
goes
>> into
>> >> >> >> trouble shooting power
>> >> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and,
in
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> instances, may be
>> >> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get
the
>> >> >> required
>> >> >> >> support from their
>> >> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be
>> lacking
>> >> >> >> especially with older
>> >> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in
>> order
>> >> >> fully
>> >> >> >> manage power on a
>> >> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level
drivers
>> and
>> >> >> loose
>> >> >> >> functionality.
>> >> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on
XP
>> go
>> >> >> here :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can
read
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> info here:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> >> t.asp "
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
>> >> partitions,
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux
>> with
>> >> Ext3
>> >> >> >> FS.
>> >> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
>> >> partition. My
>> >> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
>> >> partition
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at
kernel
>> >> >> level).
>> >> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS.
>> Only
>> >> one
>> >> >> >> byte
>> >> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the
OS.
>> >> Would
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot
the
>> >> >> machine
>> >> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> >> Roy.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
>> >> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT
recommended
>> when
>> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> >> >> residing on that
>> >> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to
use
>> the
>> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> OS
>> >> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
>> >> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your
current
>> OS
>> >> >> >> (Windows
>> >> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
>> >> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
>> >> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
>> >> >> >> >> >sp
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
>> >> >> >> >> t.asp
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >> >Anando
>> >> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
>> >> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
>> >> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
>> >> >> >> >>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >news:0cd801c360c8$8dfa1b50
...
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
>> >> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it
>> power
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
>> >> >> different
>> >> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on
one
>> >> >> partiton
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might
want
>> to
>> >> use
>> >> >> >> >> Windows
>> >> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while
>> you're
>> >> >> >> working on
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose
what
>> >> you're
>> >> >> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You
set
>> your
>> >> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using
>> the
>> >> Disk
>> >> >> >> Tool
>> >> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which
can be
>> >> >> >> configured
>> >> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then
you
>> >> >> >> hibernate
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power
button
>> >> >> >> manually"
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot
to
>> the
>> >> 2nd
>> >> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can
>> work
>> >> on
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to
XP?
>> >> Yes,
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you
>> have to
>> >> >> press
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right
after
>> >> >> >> hibernate?
>> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely
using
>> some
>> >> >> sort
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want
to
>> >> drive
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine
>> when
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> should
>> >> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know
how?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Anando [MS-MVP]]

You are welcome Roy. And yes..i hope things work out the right way :-)

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Alright, Anando. Thank you.
>
> Roy.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Roy,
> >HD issues is just one part of the whole thing. XP might
> be resuming from
> >hibernate and meets a device that has been messed around
> by 98. Since XP
> >wont know about it, so that might cause a problem.
> >
> >On the whole, just AVOID multi-boot and hibernate
> together.
> >
> >--
> >Anando
> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >Know more about the MVP program-
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >Indian MVPs-
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >
> >
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Yes, Anando. All of them can do "hide" partitions.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Roy, Do you use any third party programs to "hide" the
> 98
> >> partition from XP
> >> >?
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anando
> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Do you mean XP also looks into the content of
> >> unrecognized
> >> >> partitions when it hibernates? Remember: my 98
> partition
> >> >> is now disabled while running XP.
> >> >>
> >> >> Roy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Simply put, when you hibernate XP and boot into 98,
> >> there
> >> >> is a *global*
> >> >> >change in HD structure, so XP is falsely led to
> believe
> >> >> that it is in the
> >> >> >same state before hibernating, when it is NOT. So
> that
> >> is
> >> >> the catch...and
> >> >> >this could lead to problems.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What if the 98 partition is disabled while XP is
> >> being
> >> >> >> used? Say when I set XP's partition to be active
> >> before
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> reboot 98 I also mark the 98's partition as an
> >> unknown
> >> >> >> partition (put an linux's partition ID for
> example).
> >> >> Then
> >> >> >> when I hibernate XP and set 98's partition to be
> >> active
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> also mark the partition type of 98 back to normal.
> >> Would
> >> >> >> that now be safe?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >> >Ok out here Windows 98 might not be able to read
> the
> >> >> NTFS
> >> >> >> partition where XP
> >> >> >> >resides, but XP can very recognise FAT and will
> >> read it
> >> >> >> and its structure.
> >> >> >> >When XP hibernates, and you boot into 98 and once
> >> again
> >> >> >> when you wake up XP,
> >> >> >> >it is misled into believing that nothing on the
> FAT
> >> >> >> partition and the whole
> >> >> >> >HD has changed since it hibernated...BUT THIS IS
> >> WRONG.
> >> >> >> Things have been
> >> >> >> >changed on the FAT partition by 98. This whole
> >> >> situation
> >> >> >> can make things
> >> >> >> >tricky and can result into unexpected behaviour.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >So on the whole DO NOT hibernate XP and then boot
> >> into
> >> >> >> 98. Or for that
> >> >> >> >matter dont even hibernate XP and then fire up
> your
> >> >> >> computer through a
> >> >> >> >bootable CD or floppy. Just shutdown XP and boot
> >> into
> >> >> 98.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> Anando,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Ok, if you don't know much about Linux how
> about
> >> >> Win98?
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> have XP on the 1st primary partition (NTFS) and
> >> 98 on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> 2nd primary partition (FAT16). I logon from
> home
> >> to
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> office. I switch active partition from the 1st
> to
> >> the
> >> >> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> from within XP. Then I hibernate the XP and
> click
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> not-yet-available option "Reboot after
> hibernate".
> >> >> Then
> >> >> >> >> the machine reboot instead of power off. Then
> the
> >> 98
> >> >> >> >> starts and it won't see or have access to the
> NTFS
> >> >> >> >> partition.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be
> possible
> >> to
> >> >> >> >> intruduce the "Reboot after hibernate" option.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> >Roy,
> >> >> >> >> >I dont know much about Linux and multi-
> booting.
> >> >> Quite
> >> >> >> >> some time back we had
> >> >> >> >> >a discussion here with MVP Walter Clayton and
> >> some
> >> >> >> issues
> >> >> >> >> about hibernation
> >> >> >> >> >was discussed. I post a message from him.
> Would
> >> be
> >> >> nice
> >> >> >> >> if Walter chips in
> >> >> >> >> >and helps you :-)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I quote Walter:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Yes, hibernation is safe as long as those
> three
> >> >> >> >> conditions are meet. And
> >> >> >> >> >no,
> >> >> >> >> >it doesn't matter if drivers are signed or
> not.
> >> In
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> video and sound
> >> >> >> >> >arena, in particular, unsigned drivers tend
> to be
> >> >> >> better
> >> >> >> >> than signed drivers
> >> >> >> >> >in the gaming market. That however depends on
> the
> >> >> >> vendor.
> >> >> >> >> However the
> >> >> >> >> >weakest link in hibernation does tend to
> revolve
> >> >> around
> >> >> >> >> device drivers and
> >> >> >> >> >BIOS with some applications causing problems
> as
> >> >> well.
> >> >> >> >> Generally for a
> >> >> >> >> >desktop the amount of time and effort that
> goes
> >> into
> >> >> >> >> trouble shooting power
> >> >> >> >> >management issues isn't worth the effort and,
> in
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> instances, may be
> >> >> >> >> >impossible to resolve until a person can get
> the
> >> >> >> required
> >> >> >> >> support from their
> >> >> >> >> >hardware vendors. And that may very well be
> >> lacking
> >> >> >> >> especially with older
> >> >> >> >> >hardware. There is also the potential that in
> >> order
> >> >> >> fully
> >> >> >> >> manage power on a
> >> >> >> >> >system, a person may have to back level
> drivers
> >> and
> >> >> >> loose
> >> >> >> >> functionality.
> >> >> >> >> >For some specific, high level information on
> XP
> >> go
> >> >> >> here :
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >> >> >For some deeper generic information, you can
> read
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> info here:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> >> >> t.asp "
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> >>
> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Anando,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Ok, it's 2 primary
> >> >> partitions,
> >> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> >> is Windows XP with NTFS, the other is Linux
> >> with
> >> >> Ext3
> >> >> >> >> FS.
> >> >> >> >> >> Now XP and Linux don't see each other's
> >> >> partition. My
> >> >> >> >> >> Linux doesn't see content of NTFS thus the
> >> >> partition
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> inaccessible (I disabled NTFS support at
> kernel
> >> >> >> level).
> >> >> >> >> >> Similarly, XP doesn't see content of Ext3FS.
> >> Only
> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> byte
> >> >> >> >> >> of MBR is modified each time I switch the
> OS.
> >> >> Would
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> >> be safe enough for XP to allow me to reboot
> the
> >> >> >> machine
> >> >> >> >> >> remotely right after hibernation?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> >> >> Roy.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> >> >Hi Roy,
> >> >> >> >> >> >Any kind of disk activity is NOT
> recommended
> >> when
> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> >> OS,
> >> >> >> >> >> residing on that
> >> >> >> >> >> >hard disk is hibernating. If you want to
> use
> >> the
> >> >> >> other
> >> >> >> >> OS
> >> >> >> >> >> (Windows 2000 in
> >> >> >> >> >> >your case), then please shutdown your
> current
> >> OS
> >> >> >> >> (Windows
> >> >> >> >> >> XP..in your case)
> >> >> >> >> >> >and then boot to the other OS.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Some useful links:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk
> >> >> >> >> >> it/prdh_dmt_jeon.a
> >> >> >> >> >> >sp
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/PCdesign/LR/defaul
> >> >> >> >> >> t.asp
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >> >> >Anando
> >> >> >> >> >> >Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
> >> >> >> >> >> >Know more about the MVP program-
> >> >> >> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >Indian MVPs-
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Roy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >news:0cd801c360c8$8dfa1b50
> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi. Is it possible to configure Windows
> >> >> >> (XP/2k/2k3)
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> reboot right after hibernate? Normally it
> >> power
> >> >> >> off
> >> >> >> >> >> after
> >> >> >> >> >> >> hibernate. You may ask, Why?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you have more than one OS on
> >> >> >> different
> >> >> >> >> >> >> partitions, say you have Windows XP on
> one
> >> >> >> partiton
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 on another. Now you might
> want
> >> to
> >> >> use
> >> >> >> >> >> Windows
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2000 system on another partition while
> >> you're
> >> >> >> >> working on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Windows XP but you don't want to lose
> what
> >> >> you're
> >> >> >> >> >> working
> >> >> >> >> >> >> with on the XP. What would you do? You
> set
> >> your
> >> >> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> >> >> partiton to be the active partition using
> >> the
> >> >> Disk
> >> >> >> >> Tool
> >> >> >> >> >> >> (or you may have a boot manager which
> can be
> >> >> >> >> configured
> >> >> >> >> >> >> which partition to boot next time), then
> you
> >> >> >> >> hibernate
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> XP. Then you "have to press the power
> button
> >> >> >> >> manually"
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> restart the machine before it will boot
> to
> >> the
> >> >> 2nd
> >> >> >> >> >> >> partition with Windows 2000. Now you can
> >> work
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Windows 2000 system. Want to go back to
> XP?
> >> >> Yes,
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> same thing, hibernate the 2000. But you
> >> have to
> >> >> >> press
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> power on button again right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> So why not reboot automatically right
> after
> >> >> >> >> hibernate?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose that you're working remotely
> using
> >> some
> >> >> >> sort
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> remote admin software and you don't want
> to
> >> >> drive
> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >> home to office just to power on a machine
> >> when
> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> >> >> >> be able to do it remotely. Any one know
> how?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
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