NTLDR

[Anthony Jachim]

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a solution
to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do an
reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G hardrives
and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now every time
I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file is
pressent on my HD located in C root and in
C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I have the
OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the the
CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since it
will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
locations?
Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.

[Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)]

Drivers, even those included in the operating system are provided by and the
responsibility of the manufacturer of the device.

Try a repair install as follows:
NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data files intact, if
something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be forced to start
over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your data backed up,
you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.



Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD, it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.



Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.



Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.



The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement. Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
...
> I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a solution
> to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do an
> reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G hardrives
> and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
> provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now every time
> I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file is
> pressent on my HD located in C root and in
> C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I have the
> OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the the
> CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since it
> will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
> locations?
> Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.
>

[Anthony Jachim]

Not to be unappreciative for your suggestion/instructions, but I have done
exactly
what you instructed twice already with no change to the error message. And each

'repair' installation requires me to enter the product key and then reinstall
all the
updates (SP1 +). This activity has not changed or lost any of my personal
settings or data. But it is time consuming, to say the least. To the point:
can I just
paste the NTLDR file from the OEM to my HD locations and be done with it? I
would not really like to do a clean install, and I'm not sure what the
implications of
multiple 'clean installs' are for licensure. I've done it twice already, once
because
my video/audio configuration could not be fixed in the registry which resulted
from
a conversion from the seller's installation of 32 fat instead of NTS and my
subsequent conversion, and the second when I initially installed the 200 G hard
drive with its own controller and had a conflict with XP gobbling up mega gigs
on
the new drive and allocating them to system status.

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:

> Drivers, even those included in the operating system are provided by and the
> responsibility of the manufacturer of the device.
>
> Try a repair install as follows:
> NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data files intact, if
> something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be forced to start
> over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your data backed up,
> you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.
>
> Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD, it
> should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if you
> wish to boot from the CD press any key.
>
> Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a reference
> asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
> wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
> setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.
>
> Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a screen
> with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
> using the Recovery console.
>
> The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you to
> press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement. Setup
> will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
> version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
> install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
> on, follow the screens.
>
> --
> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a solution
> > to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do an
> > reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G hardrives
> > and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
> > provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now every time
> > I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file is
> > pressent on my HD located in C root and in
> > C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I have the
> > OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the the
> > CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since it
> > will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
> > locations?
> > Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.
> >

[Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)]

I apologize for having missed the fact you had already done a repair install
and failed to resolve the issue.

You can't simply paste it in because the problem is your Master Boot Record.
However, this can be repaired as follows:
Be sure your system is set to boot from the CD. If you are not sure, when
the system first boots you usually see message about how to enter setup or
something similar and tells you to hit a key, sometimes it's del, sometimes
it's esc, just hit the key. This takes you to the system bios, you need to
navigate to where the boot sequence is set, put the CD-ROM drive first in
line.

Place the XP CD in the drive, save your settings and exit. The system will
reboot and should boot from the CD. If you see a message to hit any key in
order to boot from the CD, do so, otherwise, assuming your system supports
it, the system should boot from the CD on its own as it can't find
an OS on the hard drive.

XP Setup will begin by examining your system, don't worry, just let it run,
it's just copying some files to a temp folder. Ultimately, you'll be
brought to a menu. Choose, "Repair a Windows XP installation using the
Recovery Console, press R.

You will be asked for an administrators password. This is not any of the
accounts you've created for XP. It's a hidden system account for which
users are asked only to create a password during setup. Most leave this
blank. If you left it blank, when asked for a password, just leave blank
and press enter.

At the prompt type bootcfg /rebuild and press enter.

The repair install can repair the MBR but sometimes misses the issue.
Often, an error such as this is indicative of there being other issues as
well and the repair install would ordinarily fix these issues as well.

As to the clean installs, you can install XP on the same machine as many
times as you want, there is no limitation in that regard. Activation is
only meant hinder or otherwise preclude having XP installed on more than one
machine at the same time.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
...
> Not to be unappreciative for your suggestion/instructions, but I have done
> exactly
> what you instructed twice already with no change to the error message.
And each
>
> 'repair' installation requires me to enter the product key and then
reinstall
> all the
> updates (SP1 +). This activity has not changed or lost any of my personal
> settings or data. But it is time consuming, to say the least. To the
point:
> can I just
> paste the NTLDR file from the OEM to my HD locations and be done with it?
I
> would not really like to do a clean install, and I'm not sure what the
> implications of
> multiple 'clean installs' are for licensure. I've done it twice already,
once
> because
> my video/audio configuration could not be fixed in the registry which
resulted
> from
> a conversion from the seller's installation of 32 fat instead of NTS and
my
> subsequent conversion, and the second when I initially installed the 200 G
hard
> drive with its own controller and had a conflict with XP gobbling up mega
gigs
> on
> the new drive and allocating them to system status.
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:
>
> > Drivers, even those included in the operating system are provided by and
the
> > responsibility of the manufacturer of the device.
> >
> > Try a repair install as follows:
> > NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data files intact, if
> > something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be forced to
start
> > over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your data backed
up,
> > you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.
> >
> > Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD,
it
> > should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if
you
> > wish to boot from the CD press any key.
> >
> > Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
reference
> > asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if
you
> > wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
> > setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.
> >
> > Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
screen
> > with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
> > using the Recovery console.
> >
> > The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you
to
> > press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
Setup
> > will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
> > version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
> > install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From
there
> > on, follow the screens.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> > Windows Shell/User
> > Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> > DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> >
> > "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a
solution
> > > to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do an
> > > reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G hardrives
> > > and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
> > > provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now every
time
> > > I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file is
> > > pressent on my HD located in C root and in
> > > C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I have
the
> > > OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the the
> > > CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since it
> > > will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
> > > locations?
> > > Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.
> > >
>

[Anthony Jachim]

Executed the bootcfg /rebuild command. The prompts followed:
Add Installation To Boot (yes/no/all). Selected y
Enter load identifier: What is the proper response? I hit the enter key, no
data input.
Enter OS load options: What is the proper response? I hit the enter key, no
data input.

Rebooted system w/o CD and got the same NTLDR not found. Rebooted with
CD in drive but not actioned, and XP requested to select OS to use, selected XP
Professional and the system went thru a chkdsk operation and 'fixed' some data
on the second partitions of the two 200 G drives (they are configured with two
100 G partitions each). Afterwards, functioned as normal.
A reboot without the CD in the drive, resulted in the same NTLDR not found
message


Any more suggestions?

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:

> I apologize for having missed the fact you had already done a repair install
> and failed to resolve the issue.
>
> You can't simply paste it in because the problem is your Master Boot Record.
> However, this can be repaired as follows:
> Be sure your system is set to boot from the CD. If you are not sure, when
> the system first boots you usually see message about how to enter setup or
> something similar and tells you to hit a key, sometimes it's del, sometimes
> it's esc, just hit the key. This takes you to the system bios, you need to
> navigate to where the boot sequence is set, put the CD-ROM drive first in
> line.
>
> Place the XP CD in the drive, save your settings and exit. The system will
> reboot and should boot from the CD. If you see a message to hit any key in
> order to boot from the CD, do so, otherwise, assuming your system supports
> it, the system should boot from the CD on its own as it can't find
> an OS on the hard drive.
>
> XP Setup will begin by examining your system, don't worry, just let it run,
> it's just copying some files to a temp folder. Ultimately, you'll be
> brought to a menu. Choose, "Repair a Windows XP installation using the
> Recovery Console, press R.
>
> You will be asked for an administrators password. This is not any of the
> accounts you've created for XP. It's a hidden system account for which
> users are asked only to create a password during setup. Most leave this
> blank. If you left it blank, when asked for a password, just leave blank
> and press enter.
>
> At the prompt type bootcfg /rebuild and press enter.
>
> The repair install can repair the MBR but sometimes misses the issue.
> Often, an error such as this is indicative of there being other issues as
> well and the repair install would ordinarily fix these issues as well.
>
> As to the clean installs, you can install XP on the same machine as many
> times as you want, there is no limitation in that regard. Activation is
> only meant hinder or otherwise preclude having XP installed on more than one
> machine at the same time.
>
> --
> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not to be unappreciative for your suggestion/instructions, but I have done
> > exactly
> > what you instructed twice already with no change to the error message.
> And each
> >
> > 'repair' installation requires me to enter the product key and then
> reinstall
> > all the
> > updates (SP1 +). This activity has not changed or lost any of my personal
> > settings or data. But it is time consuming, to say the least. To the
> point:
> > can I just
> > paste the NTLDR file from the OEM to my HD locations and be done with it?
> I
> > would not really like to do a clean install, and I'm not sure what the
> > implications of
> > multiple 'clean installs' are for licensure. I've done it twice already,
> once
> > because
> > my video/audio configuration could not be fixed in the registry which
> resulted
> > from
> > a conversion from the seller's installation of 32 fat instead of NTS and
> my
> > subsequent conversion, and the second when I initially installed the 200 G
> hard
> > drive with its own controller and had a conflict with XP gobbling up mega
> gigs
> > on
> > the new drive and allocating them to system status.
> >
> > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:
> >
> > > Drivers, even those included in the operating system are provided by and
> the
> > > responsibility of the manufacturer of the device.
> > >
> > > Try a repair install as follows:
> > > NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data files intact, if
> > > something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be forced to
> start
> > > over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your data backed
> up,
> > > you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.
> > >
> > > Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD,
> it
> > > should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if
> you
> > > wish to boot from the CD press any key.
> > >
> > > Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
> reference
> > > asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if
> you
> > > wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
> > > setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.
> > >
> > > Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
> screen
> > > with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
> > > using the Recovery console.
> > >
> > > The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you
> to
> > > press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
> Setup
> > > will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
> > > version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
> > > install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From
> there
> > > on, follow the screens.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> > > Windows Shell/User
> > > Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> > > DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> > >
> > > "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a
> solution
> > > > to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do an
> > > > reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G hardrives
> > > > and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
> > > > provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now every
> time
> > > > I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file is
> > > > pressent on my HD located in C root and in
> > > > C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I have
> the
> > > > OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the the
> > > > CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since it
> > > > will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
> > > > locations?
> > > > Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.
> > > >
> >

[Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)]

See if the following Knowledge Base Article helps resolve your issue:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314477

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
...
> Executed the bootcfg /rebuild command. The prompts followed:
> Add Installation To Boot (yes/no/all). Selected y
> Enter load identifier: What is the proper response? I hit the enter key,
no
> data input.
> Enter OS load options: What is the proper response? I hit the enter key,
no
> data input.
>
> Rebooted system w/o CD and got the same NTLDR not found. Rebooted with
> CD in drive but not actioned, and XP requested to select OS to use,
selected XP
> Professional and the system went thru a chkdsk operation and 'fixed' some
data
> on the second partitions of the two 200 G drives (they are configured with
two
> 100 G partitions each). Afterwards, functioned as normal.
> A reboot without the CD in the drive, resulted in the same NTLDR not found
> message
>
>
> Any more suggestions?
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:
>
> > I apologize for having missed the fact you had already done a repair
install
> > and failed to resolve the issue.
> >
> > You can't simply paste it in because the problem is your Master Boot
Record.
> > However, this can be repaired as follows:
> > Be sure your system is set to boot from the CD. If you are not sure,
when
> > the system first boots you usually see message about how to enter setup
or
> > something similar and tells you to hit a key, sometimes it's del,
sometimes
> > it's esc, just hit the key. This takes you to the system bios, you need
to
> > navigate to where the boot sequence is set, put the CD-ROM drive first
in
> > line.
> >
> > Place the XP CD in the drive, save your settings and exit. The system
will
> > reboot and should boot from the CD. If you see a message to hit any key
in
> > order to boot from the CD, do so, otherwise, assuming your system
supports
> > it, the system should boot from the CD on its own as it can't find
> > an OS on the hard drive.
> >
> > XP Setup will begin by examining your system, don't worry, just let it
run,
> > it's just copying some files to a temp folder. Ultimately, you'll be
> > brought to a menu. Choose, "Repair a Windows XP installation using the
> > Recovery Console, press R.
> >
> > You will be asked for an administrators password. This is not any of the
> > accounts you've created for XP. It's a hidden system account for which
> > users are asked only to create a password during setup. Most leave this
> > blank. If you left it blank, when asked for a password, just leave blank
> > and press enter.
> >
> > At the prompt type bootcfg /rebuild and press enter.
> >
> > The repair install can repair the MBR but sometimes misses the issue.
> > Often, an error such as this is indicative of there being other issues
as
> > well and the repair install would ordinarily fix these issues as well.
> >
> > As to the clean installs, you can install XP on the same machine as many
> > times as you want, there is no limitation in that regard. Activation is
> > only meant hinder or otherwise preclude having XP installed on more than
one
> > machine at the same time.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> > Windows Shell/User
> > Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> > DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> >
> > "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Not to be unappreciative for your suggestion/instructions, but I have
done
> > > exactly
> > > what you instructed twice already with no change to the error message.
> > And each
> > >
> > > 'repair' installation requires me to enter the product key and then
> > reinstall
> > > all the
> > > updates (SP1 +). This activity has not changed or lost any of my
personal
> > > settings or data. But it is time consuming, to say the least. To the
> > point:
> > > can I just
> > > paste the NTLDR file from the OEM to my HD locations and be done with
it?
> > I
> > > would not really like to do a clean install, and I'm not sure what the
> > > implications of
> > > multiple 'clean installs' are for licensure. I've done it twice
already,
> > once
> > > because
> > > my video/audio configuration could not be fixed in the registry which
> > resulted
> > > from
> > > a conversion from the seller's installation of 32 fat instead of NTS
and
> > my
> > > subsequent conversion, and the second when I initially installed the
200 G
> > hard
> > > drive with its own controller and had a conflict with XP gobbling up
mega
> > gigs
> > > on
> > > the new drive and allocating them to system status.
> > >
> > > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Drivers, even those included in the operating system are provided by
and
> > the
> > > > responsibility of the manufacturer of the device.
> > > >
> > > > Try a repair install as follows:
> > > > NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data files intact, if
> > > > something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be forced to
> > start
> > > > over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your data
backed
> > up,
> > > > you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.
> > > >
> > > > Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the
CD,
> > it
> > > > should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up,
if
> > you
> > > > wish to boot from the CD press any key.
> > > >
> > > > Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
> > reference
> > > > asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that
if
> > you
> > > > wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just
let
> > > > setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and
drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
> > screen
> > > > with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows
Installation
> > > > using the Recovery console.
> > > >
> > > > The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires
you
> > to
> > > > press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
> > Setup
> > > > will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding
your
> > > > version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation
or
> > > > install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From
> > there
> > > > on, follow the screens.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> > > > Windows Shell/User
> > > > Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> > > > DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> > > >
> > > > "Anthony Jachim" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find a
> > solution
> > > > > to my specific encounter with the NTLDR file. I was requred to do
an
> > > > > reinstall-repair on my system becuase I had added tow 200 G
hardrives
> > > > > and the drivers provided by MS did not work as well as the drivers
> > > > > provided by WD. Anyway I got the system functional 'cept now
every
> > time
> > > > > I boot I get the error message "NTLDR not found". The NTLDR file
is
> > > > > pressent on my HD located in C root and in
> > > > > C:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386. Its file size is 229 KB.If I
have
> > the
> > > > > OEM CD in the drive it will boot using the NTLDR file found on the
the
> > > > > CD located in the i386 folder with its file size 218 K. Now since
it
> > > > > will boot with the CD NTLDR can I just copy that file to the named
> > > > > locations?
> > > > > Reinstall (repair function) does not correct the problem.
> > > > >
> > >
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