Multilanguage pack with WinXP Pro??

[Netguy]

Hi,

I have a question about Windows XP Pro. Does it come with the Multilanguage
Pack or not? Microsoft's website suggests that it does and is one reason
consumers who desire this feature should choose pro over home.

Yet, I've read posts that the MUI is unavailable to consumers, but only
corporate customers. (???)

So does it come with XP Pro or not, and is it an add-on or what?

My use for this is that one day I would like to take up learning Japanese,
and so far installing Japanese fonts, besides the basic ones on IE, are
impossible to install on my Win98 machine, and I was thinking about
upgrading to XP so I could use them.

But, now I'm thoroughly confused. This shouldn't be so hard.

Thanks in advance,
Netguy

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Netguy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about Windows XP Pro. Does it come with the
> Multilanguage Pack or not? Microsoft's website suggests that it does
> and is one reason consumers who desire this feature should choose pro
> over home.
>
> Yet, I've read posts that the MUI is unavailable to consumers, but
> only corporate customers. (???)
>
> So does it come with XP Pro or not, and is it an add-on or what?
>
> My use for this is that one day I would like to take up learning
> Japanese, and so far installing Japanese fonts, besides the basic
> ones on IE, are impossible to install on my Win98 machine, and I was
> thinking about upgrading to XP so I could use them.
>
> But, now I'm thoroughly confused. This shouldn't be so hard.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Netguy

Netguy

The only default language options on XP are the Keyboard layout and the
ability to display foreign language text. The MUI is for corporate customers
and can only be installed on an English version of XP.

Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx


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[PCyr]

So then why the hell doesn't MS say that on the choosing site?!?

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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message
...
> Netguy wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a question about Windows XP Pro. Does it come with the
> > Multilanguage Pack or not? Microsoft's website suggests that it does
> > and is one reason consumers who desire this feature should choose pro
> > over home.
> >
> > Yet, I've read posts that the MUI is unavailable to consumers, but
> > only corporate customers. (???)
> >
> > So does it come with XP Pro or not, and is it an add-on or what?
> >
> > My use for this is that one day I would like to take up learning
> > Japanese, and so far installing Japanese fonts, besides the basic
> > ones on IE, are impossible to install on my Win98 machine, and I was
> > thinking about upgrading to XP so I could use them.
> >
> > But, now I'm thoroughly confused. This shouldn't be so hard.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Netguy
>
> Netguy
>
> The only default language options on XP are the Keyboard layout and the
> ability to display foreign language text. The MUI is for corporate
customers
> and can only be installed on an English version of XP.
>
> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx
>
>
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> Microsoft MVP
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>
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>
>

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

PCyr wrote:
> So then why the hell doesn't MS say that on the choosing site?!?
>

Because that's what newsgroups are for. :)

Seriously, most people aren't interested in buying an OS in their local
language with the idea of changing it to another language. The included IME
is usually enough to satisfy the needs of consumers. The MUI, on the other
hand is for businesses that have a presence in several different countries
and a real need to have the multiple language interfaces available. Another
issue is that including the MUI in consumer versions would make the OS much
more expensive.

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[PCyr]

How expensive? Cause if its under a hundred, I'm sure there would be more
than a few home users buying it.

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recommended updates, but the critical updates are just that - critical.
4) Beware of adware and spyware. There are many programs that will help to
protect your computer, but it's up to you to prevent it as well. Make sure
you read the agreement of the software before you install it. It should
tell you if it will be installing any additional programs.
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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message
...
> PCyr wrote:
> > So then why the hell doesn't MS say that on the choosing site?!?
> >
>
> Because that's what newsgroups are for. :)
>
> Seriously, most people aren't interested in buying an OS in their local
> language with the idea of changing it to another language. The included
IME
> is usually enough to satisfy the needs of consumers. The MUI, on the other
> hand is for businesses that have a presence in several different countries
> and a real need to have the multiple language interfaces available.
Another
> issue is that including the MUI in consumer versions would make the OS
much
> more expensive.
>
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> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
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>
>

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

PCyr wrote:
> How expensive? Cause if its under a hundred, I'm sure there would be
> more than a few home users buying it.
>

Not sure, since it's only included as part of the package in certain high
end Volume Licenses. What I have seen about the MUI is that it's not
something that only requires a few clicks to work. Definitely not intended
for typical home users.

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PCyr wrote:
> How expensive? Cause if its under a hundred, I'm sure there would be
> more than a few home users buying it.
>

Oops. Forgot to include a link.

Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx

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[Netguy]

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message ...
> Netguy
>
> The only default language options on XP are the Keyboard layout and the
> ability to display foreign language text. The MUI is for corporate
customers
> and can only be installed on an English version of XP.
>
> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx

Thanks for the info, Ronnie. That's too bad. Do you know of any types of
retailers that might manufacturer WinXP Pro with the MUI since the program
is for OEMs? Would a company like Dell or Gateway do this kind of
made-to-order PC?

Netguy

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Netguy wrote:
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message ...
>> Netguy
>>
>> The only default language options on XP are the Keyboard layout and
>> the ability to display foreign language text. The MUI is for
>> corporate customers and can only be installed on an English version
>> of XP.
>>
>> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx
>
> Thanks for the info, Ronnie. That's too bad. Do you know of any
> types of retailers that might manufacturer WinXP Pro with the MUI
> since the program is for OEMs? Would a company like Dell or Gateway
> do this kind of made-to-order PC?
>
> Netguy

Sorry again, but the only way you can get the MUI is by purchasing a Volume
License.

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[Netguy]

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message ...
> Netguy wrote:
> > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message ...
> >> Netguy
> >>
> >> The only default language options on XP are the Keyboard layout and
> >> the ability to display foreign language text. The MUI is for
> >> corporate customers and can only be installed on an English version
> >> of XP.
> >>
> >> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx
> >
> > Thanks for the info, Ronnie. That's too bad. Do you know of any
> > types of retailers that might manufacturer WinXP Pro with the MUI
> > since the program is for OEMs? Would a company like Dell or Gateway
> > do this kind of made-to-order PC?
> >
> > Netguy
>
> Sorry again, but the only way you can get the MUI is by purchasing a
Volume
> License.

Yes, I understand, but what I'm asking if since the MUI is for OEMs and
corporate consumers, are there third-party manufacturers that have this
pre-loaded on PCs, or is their sale to consumers prohibited as well? For
example, can you buy a Dell pre-loaded with XP with the MUI, or does
Microsoft prevent its sale to consumers even though Dell, for example, is a
third-party manufacturer? I understand they don't sell it directly to
consumers, probably like Sony doesn't sell VCR parts to consumers directly,
so I'm asking if there are pre-loaded XP machines out there with the
feature?

Larry

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Netguy wrote:
> Yes, I understand, but what I'm asking if since the MUI is for OEMs
> and corporate consumers, are there third-party manufacturers that
> have this pre-loaded on PCs, or is their sale to consumers prohibited
> as well? For example, can you buy a Dell pre-loaded with XP with the
> MUI, or does Microsoft prevent its sale to consumers even though
> Dell, for example, is a third-party manufacturer? I understand they
> don't sell it directly to consumers, probably like Sony doesn't sell
> VCR parts to consumers directly, so I'm asking if there are
> pre-loaded XP machines out there with the feature?
>

Yes, you can buy a Dell pre-loaded with Win2K or WinXP Pro and the MUI, but
only if you are a Volume License customer. It is not sold through retail
channels. This is the basic requirement in all cases. Dell, like other
vendors are legitimate VL dealers. The rules are very specific on this.
Sorry, but there is no way that a normal consumer can purchase the MUI
whether it is on a set of CD's or pre-installed. (Actually, I don't believe
that the MUI can be purchased separately, it is simply included as part of
certain, high end, VL packages) The only way that a consumer might get their
hands on it, would be through a subscription to MSDN but the restrictions on
it's use from there are very specific.

Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx#MUIques1

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[Netguy]

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" > wrote in message ...
> Netguy wrote:
> > Yes, I understand, but what I'm asking if since the MUI is for OEMs
> > and corporate consumers, are there third-party manufacturers that
> > have this pre-loaded on PCs, or is their sale to consumers prohibited
> > as well? For example, can you buy a Dell pre-loaded with XP with the
> > MUI, or does Microsoft prevent its sale to consumers even though
> > Dell, for example, is a third-party manufacturer? I understand they
> > don't sell it directly to consumers, probably like Sony doesn't sell
> > VCR parts to consumers directly, so I'm asking if there are
> > pre-loaded XP machines out there with the feature?
> >
>
> Yes, you can buy a Dell pre-loaded with Win2K or WinXP Pro and the MUI,
but
> only if you are a Volume License customer. It is not sold through retail
> channels. This is the basic requirement in all cases. Dell, like other
> vendors are legitimate VL dealers. The rules are very specific on this.
> Sorry, but there is no way that a normal consumer can purchase the MUI
> whether it is on a set of CD's or pre-installed. (Actually, I don't
believe
> that the MUI can be purchased separately, it is simply included as part of
> certain, high end, VL packages) The only way that a consumer might get
their
> hands on it, would be through a subscription to MSDN but the restrictions
on
> it's use from there are very specific.
>
> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP & Windows 2000 MUI:
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx#MUIques1

Okie dokie. Thanks for clearing that up and for providing the info, Ronnie.
:) I was just a bit confused. Now, new question. Is there an address
where a consumer can write to Microsoft to suggest changes or additions to
future products? :-)

Larry aka Netguy :)

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Netguy wrote:
> Okie dokie. Thanks for clearing that up and for providing the info,
> Ronnie. :) I was just a bit confused. Now, new question. Is there
> an address where a consumer can write to Microsoft to suggest changes
> or additions to future products? :-)
>
> Larry aka Netguy :)

Larry

Of course. Go to the following website and submit your ideas. They really do
read these.

Product Suggestions
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp?

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