Anne
May 23rd 03, 02:03 PM
Ok, thanks again - sorry about the misunderstanding.
I think one of my previous posts mentioned that people
were talking about NetBeui - perhaps that's the way to go.
I'd already seen the article about installing it.
If I install the NetBeui, do I assign all my IP,
addresses and subnets just the same as I would have done
with TCP/IP and do I have to do anything about Netbios
over TCP/IP - should it be on or off?
By the way, I can't take credit for anything clever with
my 95 desktop -98 laptop set up. That idea came from one
of your fellow MVP's, Steve Winograd.
You have been so kind, thank you very much
>-----Original Message-----
>That does revise things just a bit - but I'm with you
>now :)
>
>I never thought I'd recommend this, but have you
>considered just installing the NetBEUI protocol on the
>laptop and the two work machines? That way you wouldn't
>have to change anything to move the laptop onto your work
>network. That way if the laptop can't talk TCP-IP it'll
>fall back to a protocol all three machines can talk.
>
>Here's a KB article -
>
>HOW TO: Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>us;301041
>
>It doesn't matter if you have NetBEUI installed on the
>work network - it's only two machines, and although
>NetBEUI is kind of a chatty protocol you should have more
>than enough bandwidth to make it work, and NetBEUI on the
>laptop won't even be a problem on the home network - as
>long as none of the other machines have it installed the
>protocol will remain unused at home.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Oh gosh Allan,
>>
>>I think I lost you somewhere!
>>
>>I actually have 7 machines, not 4!
>>
>>3 x Win98SE desktops + 1 x Win98SE laptop.....
>>connected through router and cable modem to internet.
>>
>>1 x standalone Win 95 desktop...all alone (that is, not
>on
>>the network and not on the internet) but I have
>connected
>>the laptop to it at times (as described before) for the
>>purposes of being able to transfer files between it and
>>other computers on the network (and hence to the printer
>>which is on the network)
>>
>>The above 5 computers are at home.
>>
>>Then:
>>
>>2 x XP Home Edition computers at office....not connected
>>to internet, but wanting to network these to each other,
>>for file and printer sharing, and to be able to at times
>>disconnect one and connect the laptop in...for purposes
>of
>>being able to bring work files home. The laptop also has
>a
>>dialup modem which can be used at the office to access
>the
>>internet, but the other 2 computers are not going on the
>>internet - the laptop would be used separately from the
>>other 2 computers when on the internet.
>>
>>I don't really want to play around with the router and
>>network at home...and I have already established that I
>>can connect the laptop to the win95....just need to be
>>able to get the XP's talking to each other and to the
>>laptop.
>>
>>I think this revises things a bit...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Hi again, Anne -
>>>
>>>WinXP's autoconfiguration will assign an IP address in
>>>the 169.254 network - I see where you're going with
>this
>>>now :)
>>>
>>>It wasn't a fluke - the XP machines fall in the same
>>>subnet as the Win95 machine because of the way your
>>>subnet mask is set. For a private network that's kind
>of
>>>an innovative setup you've got there. I wouldn't ever
>>>connect the network to the Internet but for private use
>>>it's pretty cool :)
>>>
>>>Here's what I'd do.
>>>
>>>You have four machines and need to be able to swap them
>>>back and forth at will, so here's what I'd do:
>>>
>>>Don't do any automatic IP addressing at all. Set up
>all
>>>four machines with static IP addresses in the on the
>>>192.168 network - and since at least two of the
>machines
>>>are gonna connect to the Internet, tighten up the
>subnet
>>>mask a little.
>>>
>>>Set the router's LAN address at 192.168.1.1 and the WAN
>>>address at whatever your ISP gave you. Turn off the
>DHCP
>>>server on the router - you don't need it.
>>>
>>>Set the four machines with static IPs in the 192.168.1
>>>network, like 192.168.1.10, 192.168.1.11, 192.168.1.12
>>>and 192.168.1.13.
>>>
>>>Set all four subnet masks at 255.255.255.0
>>>
>>>The default gateway for all four machines should be the
>>>IP address of the WAN side of the router. DNS
>addresses
>>>should be provided by your ISP.
>>>
>>>That way, all four machines can talk to each other no
>>>matter where they are - and if you need to connect them
>>>to the Internet at some point all you have to do is
>>>connect them to the router :)
>>>
>>>It is necessary for the usernames and passwords to
>match
>>>on the XP machines - even if it's a blank password. On
>a
>>>Windows XP machine you have to log on to access shared
>>>resources, so the best thing you can do is just create
>a
>>>user on all the XP machines with the same username -
>and
>>>if you choose not to assign a password to that account,
>>>that's completely up to you.
>>>
>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Hi Allan,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks so much for your reply.
>>>>
>>>>It all sounds good, but a few questions...
>>>>
>>>>I assigned one static address on the win95 machine &
>let
>>>>the win98 laptop find it's own. Was it just a fluke
>that
>>>>it found one on the same subnet, then, or does XP work
>>>>differently? Must have been a fluke I think.
>>>>
>>>>I've already assigned 169.254.100.200 for IP and
>>>>255.255.0.0 on the win 95 machine.
>>>>
>>>>I'm assuming then, that when I connect the laptop (98)
>>>on
>>>>either the Win 95 or one of the XP machines, it ought
>to
>>>>be a static IP and matching subnet? I assume then that
>I
>>>>can put the XP machines in the 169 range so it all
>fits?
>>>>
>>>>That is, put all 4 machines on a similar IP range and
>>>>matching subnet? I'm only ever connecting 2 at once,
>you
>>>>realise!
>>>>
>>>>This would then mean that when I return the laptop to
>>>the
>>>>win98 router network I would need to reset the laptop
>to
>>>>an auto IP again, I guess?
>>>>
>>>>Is it necessary for the user to have a password or can
>>>you
>>>>leave it blank as on win98 and the system bypasses it
>at
>>>>startup? Actually, when I put in the username I don't
>>>>think I was prompted for a password. Is this username
>>>that
>>>>you are referring to the one that you are prompted to
>>>make
>>>>up when first setting up XP or something else? I don't
>>>>mean the computer name, I had to put in a name for the
>>>>computer and a username somewhere in the initial
>setting
>>>>up.
>>>>
>>>>Do you have to pick a number for the gateway or can
>you
>>>>leave it blank?
>>>>
>>>>THAT'S IT FOR NOW! THANKS AGAIN!
>>>.
>>>
>>.
>>
>.
>
I think one of my previous posts mentioned that people
were talking about NetBeui - perhaps that's the way to go.
I'd already seen the article about installing it.
If I install the NetBeui, do I assign all my IP,
addresses and subnets just the same as I would have done
with TCP/IP and do I have to do anything about Netbios
over TCP/IP - should it be on or off?
By the way, I can't take credit for anything clever with
my 95 desktop -98 laptop set up. That idea came from one
of your fellow MVP's, Steve Winograd.
You have been so kind, thank you very much
>-----Original Message-----
>That does revise things just a bit - but I'm with you
>now :)
>
>I never thought I'd recommend this, but have you
>considered just installing the NetBEUI protocol on the
>laptop and the two work machines? That way you wouldn't
>have to change anything to move the laptop onto your work
>network. That way if the laptop can't talk TCP-IP it'll
>fall back to a protocol all three machines can talk.
>
>Here's a KB article -
>
>HOW TO: Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>us;301041
>
>It doesn't matter if you have NetBEUI installed on the
>work network - it's only two machines, and although
>NetBEUI is kind of a chatty protocol you should have more
>than enough bandwidth to make it work, and NetBEUI on the
>laptop won't even be a problem on the home network - as
>long as none of the other machines have it installed the
>protocol will remain unused at home.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Oh gosh Allan,
>>
>>I think I lost you somewhere!
>>
>>I actually have 7 machines, not 4!
>>
>>3 x Win98SE desktops + 1 x Win98SE laptop.....
>>connected through router and cable modem to internet.
>>
>>1 x standalone Win 95 desktop...all alone (that is, not
>on
>>the network and not on the internet) but I have
>connected
>>the laptop to it at times (as described before) for the
>>purposes of being able to transfer files between it and
>>other computers on the network (and hence to the printer
>>which is on the network)
>>
>>The above 5 computers are at home.
>>
>>Then:
>>
>>2 x XP Home Edition computers at office....not connected
>>to internet, but wanting to network these to each other,
>>for file and printer sharing, and to be able to at times
>>disconnect one and connect the laptop in...for purposes
>of
>>being able to bring work files home. The laptop also has
>a
>>dialup modem which can be used at the office to access
>the
>>internet, but the other 2 computers are not going on the
>>internet - the laptop would be used separately from the
>>other 2 computers when on the internet.
>>
>>I don't really want to play around with the router and
>>network at home...and I have already established that I
>>can connect the laptop to the win95....just need to be
>>able to get the XP's talking to each other and to the
>>laptop.
>>
>>I think this revises things a bit...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Hi again, Anne -
>>>
>>>WinXP's autoconfiguration will assign an IP address in
>>>the 169.254 network - I see where you're going with
>this
>>>now :)
>>>
>>>It wasn't a fluke - the XP machines fall in the same
>>>subnet as the Win95 machine because of the way your
>>>subnet mask is set. For a private network that's kind
>of
>>>an innovative setup you've got there. I wouldn't ever
>>>connect the network to the Internet but for private use
>>>it's pretty cool :)
>>>
>>>Here's what I'd do.
>>>
>>>You have four machines and need to be able to swap them
>>>back and forth at will, so here's what I'd do:
>>>
>>>Don't do any automatic IP addressing at all. Set up
>all
>>>four machines with static IP addresses in the on the
>>>192.168 network - and since at least two of the
>machines
>>>are gonna connect to the Internet, tighten up the
>subnet
>>>mask a little.
>>>
>>>Set the router's LAN address at 192.168.1.1 and the WAN
>>>address at whatever your ISP gave you. Turn off the
>DHCP
>>>server on the router - you don't need it.
>>>
>>>Set the four machines with static IPs in the 192.168.1
>>>network, like 192.168.1.10, 192.168.1.11, 192.168.1.12
>>>and 192.168.1.13.
>>>
>>>Set all four subnet masks at 255.255.255.0
>>>
>>>The default gateway for all four machines should be the
>>>IP address of the WAN side of the router. DNS
>addresses
>>>should be provided by your ISP.
>>>
>>>That way, all four machines can talk to each other no
>>>matter where they are - and if you need to connect them
>>>to the Internet at some point all you have to do is
>>>connect them to the router :)
>>>
>>>It is necessary for the usernames and passwords to
>match
>>>on the XP machines - even if it's a blank password. On
>a
>>>Windows XP machine you have to log on to access shared
>>>resources, so the best thing you can do is just create
>a
>>>user on all the XP machines with the same username -
>and
>>>if you choose not to assign a password to that account,
>>>that's completely up to you.
>>>
>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Hi Allan,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks so much for your reply.
>>>>
>>>>It all sounds good, but a few questions...
>>>>
>>>>I assigned one static address on the win95 machine &
>let
>>>>the win98 laptop find it's own. Was it just a fluke
>that
>>>>it found one on the same subnet, then, or does XP work
>>>>differently? Must have been a fluke I think.
>>>>
>>>>I've already assigned 169.254.100.200 for IP and
>>>>255.255.0.0 on the win 95 machine.
>>>>
>>>>I'm assuming then, that when I connect the laptop (98)
>>>on
>>>>either the Win 95 or one of the XP machines, it ought
>to
>>>>be a static IP and matching subnet? I assume then that
>I
>>>>can put the XP machines in the 169 range so it all
>fits?
>>>>
>>>>That is, put all 4 machines on a similar IP range and
>>>>matching subnet? I'm only ever connecting 2 at once,
>you
>>>>realise!
>>>>
>>>>This would then mean that when I return the laptop to
>>>the
>>>>win98 router network I would need to reset the laptop
>to
>>>>an auto IP again, I guess?
>>>>
>>>>Is it necessary for the user to have a password or can
>>>you
>>>>leave it blank as on win98 and the system bypasses it
>at
>>>>startup? Actually, when I put in the username I don't
>>>>think I was prompted for a password. Is this username
>>>that
>>>>you are referring to the one that you are prompted to
>>>make
>>>>up when first setting up XP or something else? I don't
>>>>mean the computer name, I had to put in a name for the
>>>>computer and a username somewhere in the initial
>setting
>>>>up.
>>>>
>>>>Do you have to pick a number for the gateway or can
>you
>>>>leave it blank?
>>>>
>>>>THAT'S IT FOR NOW! THANKS AGAIN!
>>>.
>>>
>>.
>>
>.
>