LMAO...!!!! Microsoft: Asia not playing fair over OS

[pwr cybernautics]

A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.

Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
their own medicin..???
:-)

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top

[kurttrail]

pwr cybernautics wrote:

> A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
> alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
> fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
>
> Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
> their own medicin..???
> :-)
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top

Ms is afraid of fair competition, because that's something that's never
happened in the x86 OS market.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Not that this is relevant to the news group, but how does this
make Microsoft any different from the American automobile
manufacturers, the American steel industry, the American
semi-conductor manufacturers, American electronics manufacturers, et
al, when they all complain loudly about having to compete with their
government-sponsored/-subsidized Asian counterparts?

Such mindless, knee-jerk "anti-Microsoft-ism" as you delight in
really isn't particularly intelligent, you know. Have you ever
actually given any thought to this - or any other - matter?


Bruce Chambers

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"pwr cybernautics" > wrote in message
...
> A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating
system
> alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns
over
> fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
>
> Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste
of
> their own medicin..???
> :-)
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top
>
>

[kurttrail]

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Greetings --
>
> Not that this is relevant to the news group, but how does this
> make Microsoft any different from the American automobile
> manufacturers, the American steel industry, the American
> semi-conductor manufacturers, American electronics manufacturers, et
> al, when they all complain loudly about having to compete with their
> government-sponsored/-subsidized Asian counterparts?
>
> Such mindless, knee-jerk "anti-Microsoft-ism" as you delight in
> really isn't particularly intelligent, you know. Have you ever
> actually given any thought to this - or any other - matter?

I would guess he gave much more thought than you did about your rabid
advocacy for MS.

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[Stephen]

I tend to agree with Microsoft here.

The various government(s) don't need to be developing desktop operating
systems when there are plenty of commercial and OSS operating systems
available already. e.g. RedHat and Microsoft both sell servers. Governments
developing for one group to the deliberate exclusion and precluding of the
other is not fair.

In Canada, Microsoft is a corporate citizen as much as any other software
vendor here. They deserve fair treatment in bidding, contracting, tendoring
etc. etc. Precluding them would be a gross injustice.

It does not surprise me in the least that Red Communist China, well known
for its fairness, freedom and free speech - ha ha, would come out
deliberately against Microsoft. It does surprise me that free-market Japan
and South Korea could be making such a blunder .. Maybe they are trying to
appease their Communist neighbour .. people always seem to be so willing to
overlook the oppressions these days.

Anyway

The reasons they give are spurious.

E.g. that Windows needs patching. Sure it does, but REDHAT Linux has quite
an extensive patch list for RH Linux ver. 7.2 thru 9 [ approx. the same
period since WinXP came out ]. An unpatched Linux installation is like Swiss
cheese - full of holes. So the fact that Windows needs occasional patching
is no reason at all because every other OS needs as much.

Also e.g. The article quotes: "A-different-kind-of-software-code" What do
they mean, JavaScript !!? To me it sounds like they are just anti-Microsoft
and/or don't even know what they are talking about.

Also e.g. that Microsoft has 'too much control' over the PC industry. Bonk.
The PC plaform is about as open as a platform can get. You can run all sorts
of operating systems [OS/2 Linux FreeBSD OS/2 FreeDOS MS-DOS Windows etc.
etc.]on it and if you do run Windows, the ***open standard*** of Win32 gives
everyone access to the Windows platform. You can program whatever you want
and it will run on Windows. And when it comes to 'personal computing' if
the PC isn't to your liking you can buy a Mac for that matter or a Sun
workstation - but why would you? The PC plaform is more open - about as open
as you can get! Microsoft is great PC software, why exclude them - you'd
just be cutting off your nose despite your face.

Better would be that the government(s) be fair.

Stephen

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"pwr cybernautics" > wrote in message
...
| A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
| alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
| fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
|
| Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
| their own medicin..???
| :-)
|
| http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top
|
|

[Al Dykes]

In article >,
Stephen > wrote:
>I tend to agree with Microsoft here.
>
>The various government(s) don't need to be developing desktop operating
>systems when there are plenty of commercial and OSS operating systems
>available already. e.g. RedHat and Microsoft both sell servers. Governments
>developing for one group to the deliberate exclusion and precluding of the
>other is not fair.
>


With all due respect I'd like to suggest that just as the goverment of
the U.S.A gets very upset when foreign companies try to own more than
49 percent of an airline, a telecom or most defense-relaetd
manufacturers these asian goverments, representing about a billion
people can make just as valid a ace for control over their computer
software. I'd expect that these countries have language issues we (or
at least I) can't imagine and they feel the need to set their own
priorities. Was India on that list ? I believe India has about 1000
regional languages/dialects and they are actively porting software
where the need exists. Micosoft won't port software to langauges where
the sales won't support the expenses.

I have every expectation that countires like China, Singapore, and
Myramar (sp?) will include censorshio features that we conider
repugnant, but I consider what DCM/MPAA wants to do repugnat, also,
and with luck, we will eventually make these people be reasonable.


--
Al Dykes
-----------

[foamy]

In article >,
"Bruce Chambers" > wrote:

> Not that this is relevant to the news group, but how does this
>make Microsoft any different from the American automobile
>manufacturers, the American steel industry, the American
>semi-conductor manufacturers, American electronics manufacturers, et
>al, when they all complain loudly about having to compete with their
>government-sponsored/-subsidized Asian counterparts?
>
> Such mindless, knee-jerk "anti-Microsoft-ism" as you delight in
>really isn't particularly intelligent, you know. Have you ever
>actually given any thought to this - or any other - matter?


You don't see the slightest bit of irony or humor in Microsoft
raising the question of_fairness_ in competition ?

I think it's bloody hilarious.

Jim

[Bernie]

And let's not forget that Microsoft has a well documented history of playing
fair.
Let's forget Real Networks, Netscape, BeOS, SCO vs Linux, Burst Tech., DrDOS
and the hundreds of other corporations and technologies they have embraced,
smothered or outright stolen etc.
Oh we'll pay you $23,250,000.00 in a settlement but in return we want to be
able to say we did no wrong.
What a crock of ****.
Why am I paying full suggested retail for the operating system when India
gets to pay $36.00 and doesn't have to put up with this activation bull****.
It's about time someone slapped them down because it's obvious the U.S.
Executive and Judicial system isn't going to.
Government's primary responsibility is to protect it's citizen's, even from
over priced, insecure operating systems and corporations selling said
software.
Our Gov. on the other hand specifically states such things as the recent
power blackout was not a result of computer malfunction due to recent worms
and viruses, however
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/recovery/story/0,10801,
84510,00.html?SKC=news84510 and a host of other links when one searches
suggest otherwise.
Who's protecting who. Our Gov. is protecting big business currently, and
could care less about it's expendable worker bees.
I'm a registered Republican but I'm going to switch sides next election as
it's obvious to me that the current admin. has no care for my well being
whatsoever.
Bernie


"Stephen" > wrote in message
...
> I tend to agree with Microsoft here.
>
> The various government(s) don't need to be developing desktop operating
> systems when there are plenty of commercial and OSS operating systems
> available already. e.g. RedHat and Microsoft both sell servers.
Governments
> developing for one group to the deliberate exclusion and precluding of the
> other is not fair.
>
> In Canada, Microsoft is a corporate citizen as much as any other software
> vendor here. They deserve fair treatment in bidding, contracting,
tendoring
> etc. etc. Precluding them would be a gross injustice.
>
> It does not surprise me in the least that Red Communist China, well known
> for its fairness, freedom and free speech - ha ha, would come out
> deliberately against Microsoft. It does surprise me that free-market Japan
> and South Korea could be making such a blunder .. Maybe they are trying to
> appease their Communist neighbour .. people always seem to be so willing
to
> overlook the oppressions these days.
>
> Anyway
>
> The reasons they give are spurious.
>
> E.g. that Windows needs patching. Sure it does, but REDHAT Linux has quite
> an extensive patch list for RH Linux ver. 7.2 thru 9 [ approx. the same
> period since WinXP came out ]. An unpatched Linux installation is like
Swiss
> cheese - full of holes. So the fact that Windows needs occasional patching
> is no reason at all because every other OS needs as much.
>
> Also e.g. The article quotes: "A-different-kind-of-software-code" What do
> they mean, JavaScript !!? To me it sounds like they are just
anti-Microsoft
> and/or don't even know what they are talking about.
>
> Also e.g. that Microsoft has 'too much control' over the PC industry.
Bonk.
> The PC plaform is about as open as a platform can get. You can run all
sorts
> of operating systems [OS/2 Linux FreeBSD OS/2 FreeDOS MS-DOS Windows etc.
> etc.]on it and if you do run Windows, the ***open standard*** of Win32
gives
> everyone access to the Windows platform. You can program whatever you want
> and it will run on Windows. And when it comes to 'personal computing' if
> the PC isn't to your liking you can buy a Mac for that matter or a Sun
> workstation - but why would you? The PC plaform is more open - about as
open
> as you can get! Microsoft is great PC software, why exclude them - you'd
> just be cutting off your nose despite your face.
>
> Better would be that the government(s) be fair.
>
> Stephen
>
> --
>
> Drop 123 to email me.
>
>
> "pwr cybernautics" > wrote in message
> ...
> | A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
> | alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
> | fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
> |
> | Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
> | their own medicin..???
> | :-)
> |
> | http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top
> |
> |
>
>

[pwr cybernautics]

foamy wrote:

> In article >,
> "Bruce Chambers" > wrote:
>
>
>> Not that this is relevant to the news group, but how does this
>>make Microsoft any different from the American automobile
>>manufacturers, the American steel industry, the American
>>semi-conductor manufacturers, American electronics manufacturers, et
>>al, when they all complain loudly about having to compete with their
>>government-sponsored/-subsidized Asian counterparts?
>>
>> Such mindless, knee-jerk "anti-Microsoft-ism" as you delight in
>>really isn't particularly intelligent, you know. Have you ever
>>actually given any thought to this - or any other - matter?
>
>
>
> You don't see the slightest bit of irony or humor in Microsoft
> raising the question of_fairness_ in competition ?
>
> I think it's bloody hilarious.
>
> Jim


Jim, want to have a few more laughs over Microsoft's
"Fairness_in_competition"..?

read on:

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072391.html?tag=cd_mh

;-)

[Allen]

I have never been able to easily fit the words "fairness" and "Microsoft"
into the same sentence.

Yes, I believe Microsoft is like a stupid drunk who is about to get bitch
slapped and does not like it. It is still going to happen.

I am actively shopping for Linux since the latest wholesale hole issue in
the hugely expensive WinXP. Hole after hole after hole and MS somehow thinks
we all had better pledge allegiance and just take what they decide to put in
a box.

This is really stupid to bring up but here goes. I went out recently and
purchased Quicken for just over $35. It came very well packaged. It came in
a very sturdy jewel case. I paid $130 for WinXP. It came in a paper envelope
with a thin child's booklet of instructions. The respect MS has for my
money is all over my system. I have purchased expensive software to protect
myself from shoddy code wrapped cheap and sold at a premium. I am fed up and
I know a lot of the computing public is taking the same wind in their sails.

Just my 2 C worth of how the competitive capitalist system drives the
market. If Microsoft can't play, I won't pay.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
pwr cybernautics wrote:
> A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
> alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
> fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
>
> Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
> their own medicin..???
> :-)
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top

[Stephen]

I don't feel that way about it. If you check RedHat's website you will
realize that their version of Linux has similarly long a list of patches as
Windows. If you installed what RH was offering when Windows XP came out but
didn't patch the Linux you'd have an OS today that was like Swiss cheese it
would have so many holes - you'd be rooted and uprooted and rerooted before
midnight eveynight.

My WinXP Home came with a colourful folder, a cool holographic CD-ROM, and
an admittedly much too small manual. But then the book writers handle the
manual business these days for many of the OSes available. It's just a no
brainer that I go out and buy a book when I get a new OS or software suite.

Sure, back in the olden days Microsoft Office and the like came with massive
amounts of dcumentation. And that was great. But unfortunately it really
eats into profits. But then book writers need the business so ..

Besides, the price of Windows has stayed pretty much the same for some time
now which is pretty decent IMO.

Stephen
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Drop 123 to email me.


"Allen" > wrote in message
...
| I have never been able to easily fit the words "fairness" and
"Microsoft"
| into the same sentence.
|
| Yes, I believe Microsoft is like a stupid drunk who is about to get bitch
| slapped and does not like it. It is still going to happen.
|
| I am actively shopping for Linux since the latest wholesale hole issue in
| the hugely expensive WinXP. Hole after hole after hole and MS somehow
thinks
| we all had better pledge allegiance and just take what they decide to put
in
| a box.
|
| This is really stupid to bring up but here goes. I went out recently and
| purchased Quicken for just over $35. It came very well packaged. It came
in
| a very sturdy jewel case. I paid $130 for WinXP. It came in a paper
envelope
| with a thin child's booklet of instructions. The respect MS has for my
| money is all over my system. I have purchased expensive software to
protect
| myself from shoddy code wrapped cheap and sold at a premium. I am fed up
and
| I know a lot of the computing public is taking the same wind in their
sails.
|
| Just my 2 C worth of how the competitive capitalist system drives the
| market. If Microsoft can't play, I won't pay.
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| pwr cybernautics wrote:
| > A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
| > alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
| > fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
| >
| > Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste of
| > their own medicin..???
| > :-)
| >
| > http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top
|
|

[Strontium]

-
Stephen stood up at show-n-tell, in ,
and said:

> I don't feel that way about it. If you check RedHat's website you will
> realize that their version of Linux has similarly long a list of
> patches as Windows. If you installed what RH was offering when
> Windows XP came out but didn't patch the Linux you'd have an OS today
> that was like Swiss cheese it would have so many holes - you'd be
> rooted and uprooted and rerooted before midnight eveynight.

Regardless, *nix is not targeted, as frequently. And, to be honest, is much
more secure.

>
> My WinXP Home came with a colourful folder, a cool holographic
> CD-ROM, and an admittedly much too small manual. But then the book
> writers handle the manual business these days for many of the OSes
> available. It's just a no brainer that I go out and buy a book when I
> get a new OS or software suite.

Oh, that's what makes me decide what OS to use: colorful booklets and
holographs on the CD...not.

>
> Sure, back in the olden days Microsoft Office and the like came with
> massive amounts of dcumentation. And that was great. But
> unfortunately it really eats into profits. But then book writers need
> the business so ..
>
> Besides, the price of Windows has stayed pretty much the same for
> some time now which is pretty decent IMO.

What has that to do, with the price of beans in Mexico? XP will be my LAST
MS OS. If they advance, in the direction they've already headed in, you and
I and everyone else will need a fingerprint and cornea scan just to load the
OS. They've gone too far, and are going further if they are allowed to.
The day I let my OS vendor tell me what I can and cannot do, is the day that
vendor is deleted from my hard drive.


>
> Stephen
>
> "Allen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have never been able to easily fit the words "fairness" and
>> "Microsoft" into the same sentence.
>>
>> Yes, I believe Microsoft is like a stupid drunk who is about to get
>> bitch slapped and does not like it. It is still going to happen.
>>
>> I am actively shopping for Linux since the latest wholesale hole
>> issue in the hugely expensive WinXP. Hole after hole after hole and
>> MS somehow thinks we all had better pledge allegiance and just take
>> what they decide to put in a box.
>>
>> This is really stupid to bring up but here goes. I went out recently
>> and purchased Quicken for just over $35. It came very well packaged.
>> It came in a very sturdy jewel case. I paid $130 for WinXP. It came
>> in a paper envelope with a thin child's booklet of instructions.
>> The respect MS has for my money is all over my system. I have
>> purchased expensive software to protect myself from shoddy code
>> wrapped cheap and sold at a premium. I am fed up and I know a lot of
>> the computing public is taking the same wind in their sails.
>>
>> Just my 2 C worth of how the competitive capitalist system drives the
>> market. If Microsoft can't play, I won't pay.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> pwr cybernautics wrote:
>>> A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating
>>> system alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise
>>> concerns over fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.
>>>
>>> Oh my God, does this mean that Microsoft is finally getting a taste
>>> of their own medicin..???
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top

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now, and then, I kick the livin' **** `outta me." - Lit

[Steve Sweet]

Hi "pwr cybernautics"


> A plan by Japan, China and South Korea to develop an operating system
> alternative to Microsoft's Windows software could raise concerns over
> fair competition, Microsoft said Friday.

That puts another slant on the "Red Book" standard!. 8~)

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