Re: WinXP SP2 Beta Version 2055

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be posting to
the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are not
an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
immediately.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Cowboy" > wrote in message:
...

| I downloaded the above and everything seems fine but when I go to Windows Update, it scans, finds the
neeeded updates, but when I select Install it comes back with Updates did not install. I went to the Event
Viewer and I have two Errors.
|
| ID: 161
| Source: Software Update Services Client
|
| We're sorry
| There is no additional information about this issue in the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base
databases at this time. You can use the links in the Support area to determine whether any additional
information might be available elsewhere.
|
|
| And
|
| ID: 10005
| Source: DCOM
| Version: 5.0
| Component: System Event Log
| Symbolic Name: EVENT_RPCSS_START_SERVICE_FAILURE
| Message: DCOM got error "%%%1" attempting to start the service %2 with arguments "%3" in order to run the
server:
| %4
|
| Explanation
| The Component Object Model (COM) infrastructure could not start the named Windows NT service.
|
|
| User Action
| Review the Windows error code displayed in the message. If the error indicates that the system is out of
memory, save your work, close other programs, and then try to start the service again. Alternatively, increase
the amount of RAM installed on the computer.
|
| If the message displays a system, server, or configuration error, contact your service support vendor.
|
| To determine the service vendor
|
| Using Regedit, navigate to the following registry value
| HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Service Name
| The service name is the information displayed in the message.
| In the right pane, double-click ImagePath.
| The Edit String dialog box is displayed. Leave this dialog box open. If Svchost.exe is displayed in the
Value data box, then under the service name, navigate to the Parameters folder and then double-click
ServiceDll.
| Click Start, and then click My Computer.
| Using the information displayed in the Value data box of the Edit String dialog box, navigate to the
program.
| Right-click the program name, and then click Properties.
| The Properties dialog box for the program is displayed.
| To determine who the vendor is for this service, refer to the Version tab.
| You can also find the path to the executable file in this tool.
|
|
| What can I do to fix this where I can download the updates?
|
|

[Tom Porterfield]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be
> posting to
> the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are
> not
> an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
> immediately.

Carey, the beta build of SP2 is available for download to all MSDN
subscribers, so it's not just authorized beta testers who can install/test
beta 1 of SP2.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[cowboy]

Yeah, I,ll get right on it. Thanks for your help.

[Chris Lanier]

Aren't there MSDN specific newsgroups for subscribers?

"Tom Porterfield" > wrote in message
...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> > If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be
> > posting to
> > the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are
> > not
> > an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
> > immediately.
>
> Carey, the beta build of SP2 is available for download to all MSDN
> subscribers, so it's not just authorized beta testers who can install/test
> beta 1 of SP2.
> --
> Tom Porterfield
> MS-MVP Smart Display
> http://support.telop.org
>
> Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.
>
>

There you go again , trying to tell ppl your opinion as
if it means anything.......lol

"If you are not an authorized SP2 beta tester, then
uninstall the beta version of SP2 immediately."











>-----Original Message-----
>If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you
should be posting to
>the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your
issue. If you are not
>an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta
version of SP2
>immediately.
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------
>
>"Cowboy" > wrote in
message:
> news:F087FE9D-DC6E-4150-A3A1-
...
>
>| I downloaded the above and everything seems fine but
when I go to Windows Update, it scans, finds the
>neeeded updates, but when I select Install it comes back
with Updates did not install. I went to the Event
>Viewer and I have two Errors.
>|
>| ID: 161
>| Source: Software Update Services Client
>|
>| We're sorry
>| There is no additional information about this issue in
the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base
>databases at this time. You can use the links in the
Support area to determine whether any additional
>information might be available elsewhere.
>|
>|
>| And
>|
>| ID: 10005
>| Source: DCOM
>| Version: 5.0
>| Component: System Event Log
>| Symbolic Name: EVENT_RPCSS_START_SERVICE_FAILURE
>| Message: DCOM got error "%%%1" attempting to start the
service %2 with arguments "%3" in order to run the
>server:
>| %4
>|
>| Explanation
>| The Component Object Model (COM) infrastructure could
not start the named Windows NT service.
>|
>|
>| User Action
>| Review the Windows error code displayed in the
message. If the error indicates that the system is out of
>memory, save your work, close other programs, and then
try to start the service again. Alternatively, increase
>the amount of RAM installed on the computer.
>|
>| If the message displays a system, server, or
configuration error, contact your service support vendor.
>|
>| To determine the service vendor
>|
>| Using Regedit, navigate to the following registry value
>| HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Service Name
>| The service name is the information displayed in the
message.
>| In the right pane, double-click ImagePath.
>| The Edit String dialog box is displayed. Leave this
dialog box open. If Svchost.exe is displayed in the
>Value data box, then under the service name, navigate to
the Parameters folder and then double-click
>ServiceDll.
>| Click Start, and then click My Computer.
>| Using the information displayed in the Value data box
of the Edit String dialog box, navigate to the
>program.
>| Right-click the program name, and then click
Properties.
>| The Properties dialog box for the program is displayed.
>| To determine who the vendor is for this service, refer
to the Version tab.
>| You can also find the path to the executable file in
this tool.
>|
>|
>| What can I do to fix this where I can download the
updates?
>|
>|
>
>.
>








>-----Original Message-----
>If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you
should be posting to
>the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your
issue. If you are not
>an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta
version of SP2
>immediately.
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------
>
>"Cowboy" > wrote in
message:
> news:F087FE9D-DC6E-4150-A3A1-
...
>
>| I downloaded the above and everything seems fine but
when I go to Windows Update, it scans, finds the
>neeeded updates, but when I select Install it comes back
with Updates did not install. I went to the Event
>Viewer and I have two Errors.
>|
>| ID: 161
>| Source: Software Update Services Client
>|
>| We're sorry
>| There is no additional information about this issue in
the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base
>databases at this time. You can use the links in the
Support area to determine whether any additional
>information might be available elsewhere.
>|
>|
>| And
>|
>| ID: 10005
>| Source: DCOM
>| Version: 5.0
>| Component: System Event Log
>| Symbolic Name: EVENT_RPCSS_START_SERVICE_FAILURE
>| Message: DCOM got error "%%%1" attempting to start the
service %2 with arguments "%3" in order to run the
>server:
>| %4
>|
>| Explanation
>| The Component Object Model (COM) infrastructure could
not start the named Windows NT service.
>|
>|
>| User Action
>| Review the Windows error code displayed in the
message. If the error indicates that the system is out of
>memory, save your work, close other programs, and then
try to start the service again. Alternatively, increase
>the amount of RAM installed on the computer.
>|
>| If the message displays a system, server, or
configuration error, contact your service support vendor.
>|
>| To determine the service vendor
>|
>| Using Regedit, navigate to the following registry value
>| HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Service Name
>| The service name is the information displayed in the
message.
>| In the right pane, double-click ImagePath.
>| The Edit String dialog box is displayed. Leave this
dialog box open. If Svchost.exe is displayed in the
>Value data box, then under the service name, navigate to
the Parameters folder and then double-click
>ServiceDll.
>| Click Start, and then click My Computer.
>| Using the information displayed in the Value data box
of the Edit String dialog box, navigate to the
>program.
>| Right-click the program name, and then click
Properties.
>| The Properties dialog box for the program is displayed.
>| To determine who the vendor is for this service, refer
to the Version tab.
>| You can also find the path to the executable file in
this tool.
>|
>|
>| What can I do to fix this where I can download the
updates?
>|
>|
>
>.
>

Whoever posted this hit the nail on the head.



"You need to understand that Mr. Frisch is an apologist
for MS and really has no idea of what he writes. His
answer will always be in favor of MS whether or not it is
correct."








>-----Original Message-----
>If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you
should be posting to
>the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your
issue. If you are not
>an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta
version of SP2
>immediately.
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------
>
>"Cowboy" > wrote in
message:
> news:F087FE9D-DC6E-4150-A3A1-
...
>
>| I downloaded the above and everything seems fine but
when I go to Windows Update, it scans, finds the
>neeeded updates, but when I select Install it comes back
with Updates did not install. I went to the Event
>Viewer and I have two Errors.
>|
>| ID: 161
>| Source: Software Update Services Client
>|
>| We're sorry
>| There is no additional information about this issue in
the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base
>databases at this time. You can use the links in the
Support area to determine whether any additional
>information might be available elsewhere.
>|
>|
>| And
>|
>| ID: 10005
>| Source: DCOM
>| Version: 5.0
>| Component: System Event Log
>| Symbolic Name: EVENT_RPCSS_START_SERVICE_FAILURE
>| Message: DCOM got error "%%%1" attempting to start the
service %2 with arguments "%3" in order to run the
>server:
>| %4
>|
>| Explanation
>| The Component Object Model (COM) infrastructure could
not start the named Windows NT service.
>|
>|
>| User Action
>| Review the Windows error code displayed in the
message. If the error indicates that the system is out of
>memory, save your work, close other programs, and then
try to start the service again. Alternatively, increase
>the amount of RAM installed on the computer.
>|
>| If the message displays a system, server, or
configuration error, contact your service support vendor.
>|
>| To determine the service vendor
>|
>| Using Regedit, navigate to the following registry value
>| HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Service Name
>| The service name is the information displayed in the
message.
>| In the right pane, double-click ImagePath.
>| The Edit String dialog box is displayed. Leave this
dialog box open. If Svchost.exe is displayed in the
>Value data box, then under the service name, navigate to
the Parameters folder and then double-click
>ServiceDll.
>| Click Start, and then click My Computer.
>| Using the information displayed in the Value data box
of the Edit String dialog box, navigate to the
>program.
>| Right-click the program name, and then click
Properties.
>| The Properties dialog box for the program is displayed.
>| To determine who the vendor is for this service, refer
to the Version tab.
>| You can also find the path to the executable file in
this tool.
>|
>|
>| What can I do to fix this where I can download the
updates?
>|
>|
>
>.
>

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, despite your personal feelings for people this is not the right place to
post in order to get help with SP2 beta. The OP may post in the correct
beta newsgroup or MSDN newsgroup. If they don't have access to either they
can live with it the way it is, or uninstall it.

> wrote in message
...
> Whoever posted this hit the nail on the head.
>
>
>
> "You need to understand that Mr. Frisch is an apologist
> for MS and really has no idea of what he writes. His
> answer will always be in favor of MS whether or not it is
> correct."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you
> should be posting to
> >the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your
> issue. If you are not
> >an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta
> version of SP2
> >immediately.
> >
> >--
> >Carey Frisch
> >Microsoft MVP
> >Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> >Be Smart! Protect your PC!
> >http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >"Cowboy" > wrote in
> message:
> > news:F087FE9D-DC6E-4150-A3A1-
> ...
> >
> >| I downloaded the above and everything seems fine but
> when I go to Windows Update, it scans, finds the
> >neeeded updates, but when I select Install it comes back
> with Updates did not install. I went to the Event
> >Viewer and I have two Errors.
> >|
> >| ID: 161
> >| Source: Software Update Services Client
> >|
> >| We're sorry
> >| There is no additional information about this issue in
> the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base
> >databases at this time. You can use the links in the
> Support area to determine whether any additional
> >information might be available elsewhere.
> >|
> >|
> >| And
> >|
> >| ID: 10005
> >| Source: DCOM
> >| Version: 5.0
> >| Component: System Event Log
> >| Symbolic Name: EVENT_RPCSS_START_SERVICE_FAILURE
> >| Message: DCOM got error "%%%1" attempting to start the
> service %2 with arguments "%3" in order to run the
> >server:
> >| %4
> >|
> >| Explanation
> >| The Component Object Model (COM) infrastructure could
> not start the named Windows NT service.
> >|
> >|
> >| User Action
> >| Review the Windows error code displayed in the
> message. If the error indicates that the system is out of
> >memory, save your work, close other programs, and then
> try to start the service again. Alternatively, increase
> >the amount of RAM installed on the computer.
> >|
> >| If the message displays a system, server, or
> configuration error, contact your service support vendor.
> >|
> >| To determine the service vendor
> >|
> >| Using Regedit, navigate to the following registry value
> >| HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Service Name
> >| The service name is the information displayed in the
> message.
> >| In the right pane, double-click ImagePath.
> >| The Edit String dialog box is displayed. Leave this
> dialog box open. If Svchost.exe is displayed in the
> >Value data box, then under the service name, navigate to
> the Parameters folder and then double-click
> >ServiceDll.
> >| Click Start, and then click My Computer.
> >| Using the information displayed in the Value data box
> of the Edit String dialog box, navigate to the
> >program.
> >| Right-click the program name, and then click
> Properties.
> >| The Properties dialog box for the program is displayed.
> >| To determine who the vendor is for this service, refer
> to the Version tab.
> >| You can also find the path to the executable file in
> this tool.
> >|
> >|
> >| What can I do to fix this where I can download the
> updates?
> >|
> >|
> >
> >.
> >

[Tom Porterfield]

Chris Lanier wrote:
> Aren't there MSDN specific newsgroups for subscribers?

Yes there are but they are developer centric. There isn't one setup for
questions about the Windows operating system or for betas. That, and the
MSDN newsgroups are the exact same newsgroups that you can use when
connecting either using a newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com or using the
web interface.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[Testy]

Carey does not do well with SP's. Remember after SP1 was released for THREE
WEEKS Carey was still claiming it was still in BETA. I lost all respect for
the MVP program when this jerk was allowed in.

Testy

"Tom Porterfield" > wrote in message
...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> > If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be
> > posting to
> > the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are
> > not
> > an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
> > immediately.
>
> Carey, the beta build of SP2 is available for download to all MSDN
> subscribers, so it's not just authorized beta testers who can install/test
> beta 1 of SP2.
> --
> Tom Porterfield
> MS-MVP Smart Display
> http://support.telop.org
>
> Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.
>
>


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[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Would you care to be specific and site an example?
Or would you rather hide behind "anonymous" and make false
accusations?

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

> wrote in message:
...

| Whoever posted this hit the nail on the head.
|
|
|
| "You need to understand that Mr. Frisch is an apologist
| for MS and really has no idea of what he writes. His
| answer will always be in favor of MS whether or not it is
| correct."
|

[Chris Lanier]

Even so, If you have an MSDN subscription you are most likely using it to
develop software based on a few of the new technologies. Meaning an MSDN
group would still be a good place to start.

"Tom Porterfield" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Lanier wrote:
> > Aren't there MSDN specific newsgroups for subscribers?
>
> Yes there are but they are developer centric. There isn't one setup for
> questions about the Windows operating system or for betas. That, and the
> MSDN newsgroups are the exact same newsgroups that you can use when
> connecting either using a newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com or using the
> web interface.
> --
> Tom Porterfield
> MS-MVP Smart Display
> http://support.telop.org
>
> Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.
>
>

[CS]

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:34:07 -0500, "Tom Porterfield"
> wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how Mr. Frisch continues to "Shoot from
the hip" with his answers. Perhaps if he stopped to think for a few
moments before pounding the keys, he could provide some real help in
this group.

>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be
>> posting to
>> the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are
>> not
>> an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
>> immediately.
>
>Carey, the beta build of SP2 is available for download to all MSDN
>subscribers, so it's not just authorized beta testers who can install/test
>beta 1 of SP2.

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Informing the OP to repost his question regarding SP2 beta
issues to the proper newsgroup was a correct and thoughtful
response.

And what would your suggestion have been?

MSDN subscribers should know full well to discuss their issues
among their peers within a MSDN newsgroup.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"CS" > wrote in message:
...

| On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:34:07 -0500, "Tom Porterfield"
| > wrote:
|
| It never ceases to amaze me how Mr. Frisch continues to "Shoot from
| the hip" with his answers. Perhaps if he stopped to think for a few
| moments before pounding the keys, he could provide some real help in
| this group.
|
| >Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| >> If you are an authorized beta tester for SP2, then you should be
| >> posting to
| >> the appropriate SP2 beta newsgroup to discuss your issue. If you are
| >> not
| >> an authorized SP2 beta tester, then uninstall the beta version of SP2
| >> immediately.
| >
| >Carey, the beta build of SP2 is available for download to all MSDN
| >subscribers, so it's not just authorized beta testers who can install/test
| >beta 1 of SP2.
|

[Bob S.]

Yeah, I will and post my name to it, This the most
ridiculous statement I have ever heard anyone make,
especially a MVP or someone that says they are.

Carey Frisch said :

Subject: Re: NTbackup
From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" >
Sent: 12/31/2003 9:47:31 AM

Windows XP's standard backup utility is not designed to
perform a complete system backup. It is designed to
backup data files and folders.










>-----Original Message-----
>Would you care to be specific and site an example?
>Or would you rather hide behind "anonymous" and make
false
>accusations?
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
>
> wrote in message:
> ...
>
>| Whoever posted this hit the nail on the head.
>|
>|
>|
>| "You need to understand that Mr. Frisch is an
apologist
>| for MS and really has no idea of what he writes. His
>| answer will always be in favor of MS whether or not it
is
>| correct."
>|
>
>.
>

[cowboy]

I would just like some help with my problem, didn't know I was getting into someone's pocket by testing SP2 MR. Frisch.

[Chris Lanier]

I don't get it.

Carey is saying to use a "third party" non-Microsoft program to do complete
backup's. This in no way supports you theory of "His answer will always be
in favor of MS whether or not it is correct."

"Bob S." > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, I will and post my name to it, This the most
> ridiculous statement I have ever heard anyone make,
> especially a MVP or someone that says they are.
>
> Carey Frisch said :
>
> Subject: Re: NTbackup
> From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" >
> Sent: 12/31/2003 9:47:31 AM
>
> Windows XP's standard backup utility is not designed to
> perform a complete system backup. It is designed to
> backup data files and folders.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Would you care to be specific and site an example?
> >Or would you rather hide behind "anonymous" and make
> false
> >accusations?
> >
> >--
> >Carey Frisch
> >Microsoft MVP
> >Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> >Be Smart! Protect your PC!
> >http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
> >
> > wrote in message:
> > ...
> >
> >| Whoever posted this hit the nail on the head.
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >| "You need to understand that Mr. Frisch is an
> apologist
> >| for MS and really has no idea of what he writes. His
> >| answer will always be in favor of MS whether or not it
> is
> >| correct."
> >|
> >
> >.
> >

[cowboy]

Can you please point me to the right Newsgroup or Forum.

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, Support is not offered with beta products. It hasn't been released and
is not complete. It is expected that testers run into problems with it.

"cowboy" > wrote in message
...
> I would just like some help with my problem, didn't know I was getting
into someone's pocket by testing SP2 MR. Frisch.

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, Support and help is only offered if you are a valid beta testers. If
you are, log into Microsoft Beta and you will be pointed to the correct
newsgroups.

If you are a valid MSDN subscriber, log into your account and follow the
links to the MSDN newsgroups. The MSDN groups are for software developers.

Beta's of Service Packs are not meant to be used by "everyday people" and
you are now finding out why. The product is not finished and not ready for
release. Therefore only Microsoft employees and people in the beta program
and possibly help you troubleshoot it.

You will only be able to access the groups if you have valid accounts. If
not, you may wait until the final version of Windows XP Service Pack 2 is
released sometime this year, most likely mid year. No official release date
has been set.

"cowboy" > wrote in message
...
> Can you please point me to the right Newsgroup or Forum.

[cowboy]

Look guys, I didn't come in here to start any arguments. All I asked for was some help with a small problem. If you can't answer my question, could you please point me in the right direction to get some help. I'm sure someone here is better aquainted with
these these news groups then I am. I am a moderator in a Forum and frequent two others, I would never treat you this way if you came to one of my forums. I didn't steal WinXP SP2 Version 2055. It was a free download with no strings attached, except maybe a
few bugs, and thats why I am here. When someone ask for help, you are supposed to try and help them to the best of your ability. Giving them a smart ass answer is not being of any help. Believe me if you and me was face to face you wouldn't be answering m
e that way.

[cowboy]

I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

As I recall, the OP wanted to backup an "image" of his C: drive
to a D: drive. Are you suggesting XP's native backup utility can
perform such a task? Not at all! A third-party "imaging" program,
such as Symantec's Ghost, would be required.

Here is the OP question:

"I have 2 HDD on my system, C:\ is 20G and D:\ is 40G, I
| tried to run NTbackup on my system so that i can have a
| copy of C drive on my D drive. But i got an error message.
|
| "Media name: "Backup.bkf created 12/29/2003 at 15:38"
| Error returned while creating the volume shadow
| copy:80042301
| Aborting Backup.
|
| Any ideas??"


XP's backup program can perform a "System State" backup which
entails backing up data which includes the registry, the COM Class
Registration database and the system boot files. It cannot perform
a backup of the entire Windows XP O/S.

If my assertion is incorrect, I'm open to being corrected.

HOW TO: Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308422&Product=winxp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Bob S." wrote in message:
...

| Yeah, I will and post my name to it, This the most
| ridiculous statement I have ever heard anyone make,
| especially a MVP or someone that says they are.
|
| Carey Frisch said :
|
| Subject: Re: NTbackup
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" >
| Sent: 12/31/2003 9:47:31 AM
|
| Windows XP's standard backup utility is not designed to
| perform a complete system backup. It is designed to
| backup data files and folders.

[Chris Lanier]

Short answer, you cant get support. You need to wait until the final
version is released. Just because it was a "free download" doesn't means
much. The beta newsgroups is where you want to be, but since you are not a
valid tester you may not access them.

"cowboy" > wrote in message
...
> Look guys, I didn't come in here to start any arguments. All I asked for
was some help with a small problem. If you can't answer my question, could
you please point me in the right direction to get some help. I'm sure
someone here is better aquainted with these these news groups then I am. I
am a moderator in a Forum and frequent two others, I would never treat you
this way if you came to one of my forums. I didn't steal WinXP SP2 Version
2055. It was a free download with no strings attached, except maybe a few
bugs, and thats why I am here. When someone ask for help, you are supposed
to try and help them to the best of your ability. Giving them a smart ass
answer is not being of any help. Believe me if you and me was face to face
you wouldn't be answering me that way.

[Chris Lanier]

It should work that way for beta testers, not the people who just download
from the web w/o being a valid tester. I'm sorry, but that's how it works.
You need to wait until the product is finished.

"cowboy" > wrote in message
...
> I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that I
might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem and
might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Being in the infancy beta stage, beta programs will have bugs and issues
that will be resolved over time. Don't expect any beta product to perform
or install flawlessly. The issues you sited with SP2 will be resolved as the
product is tested and refined. There will be several beta versions developed
as bugs are submitted by SP2 beta testers and Microsoft developers work
to refine the code. Since you are apparently not part of the official SP2 beta testing
group, you have no access to the SP2 beta newsgroups that discuss and report
issues.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"cowboy" > wrote in message:
...

| I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that I might just run into someone that has
already dealt with the problem and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

All you'll get from these two is a copy and pasted answer
they plagiarized from someone else.



>-----Original Message-----
>I understand that it didn't come with support. What I
figured is that I might just run into someone that has
already dealt with the problem and might have a solution.
That is what the Beta Versions is all about.
>.
>

[cowboy]

Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for everything. Although your answer are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs will be Ironed out, and NO I am not a
n official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I would run into some guys that also have it loaded and might have an answer, THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran into you two Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The prob
lem is you are of no help to anyone, not even yourself because you can't step out of your little play ground long enough to learn anything.
With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't that amazing. I actually found some people that knew what a forum was for.
Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft and get it over with.

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

So if you found a resolution to your issues, why don't you
inform us of the actual resolution instead of criticizing?
Otherwise, there is no value to your rant.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"cowboy" > wrote in message:
...

| Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for everything. Although your answer
are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs
will be Ironed out, and NO I am not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I would run into some guys
that also have it loaded and might have an answer, THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran
into you two Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The problem is you are of no help to anyone,
not even yourself because you can't step out of your little play ground long enough to learn anything.
| With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't
that amazing. I actually found some people that knew what a forum was for.
| Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft and get it over with.

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Very untrue!

[Tom Porterfield]

cowboy wrote:
> I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that
> I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem
> and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all
> about.

Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not to
expect that someone who could answer your question would. So far I have
installed SP2 on three different machines. Once as an upgrade and the
other two were clean installs. So far I have not seen the error you are
reporting so can't offer an suggestion as to what might be the cause of
the problem. If I come across anything I will let you know.

You might try uninstalling SP2, or rolling back to a restore point from
before the install. Verify that everything is working and then try SP2
again.

You might also try going to Adminstrative Tools in the Control Panel and
opening services. Try manually stopping and restarting the Automatic
Updates service.

Good luck.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, No one is going to be help to you here. We keep trying to explain to
you that the software is in beta. There will be problems and the beta
testers for the product will submit them. We have both explained this too
you many times. Please read the Rules of Conduct for Microsoft Newsgroups.
The two topics you might want to read very good are as follows below. There
is nothing wrong with anyone saying that you are posting in the wrong place,
and that you should not be running the software in the first place. Also is
*not* a forum, it's a newsgroup! :) It is also suggested that you take a
look at a few sites that offer tips of "Netiquette" You could use some
improvement in the field. Despite the fact that you "run your own forum"
(btw, that doesn't make you "cool" or anything. it just makes you sound
stupid) this is not your forum, nor is it a forum at all. Since you "found
your answer" you may now leave without replaying to this message. Your kind
are not welcome here.

---
Relevance to Topics: Please make sure that your postings in newsgroups and
chats are relevant to the subject at hand. It is normal for some topics to
drift from the stated subject. However, to ensure maximum benefit for
everyone, we encourage you to keep your postings as close to the subject as
possible.

Confidentiality: Please keep in mind that our communities are public spaces,
so don't post anything that you don't want the world to see. Credit card
numbers, product keys, and other confidential information, including
anything covered under a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), should not be
posted to a newsgroup, chat, or other community.
----

Rules of Conduct
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

FYI, I love replying to these. It's so funny to see all the n00b's try and
get answers for betas they are not part of! :)

Have a nice day!
Chris Lanier

"cowboy" > wrote in message
...
> Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for
everything. Although your answer are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it
is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs will be
Ironed out, and NO I am not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I
would run into some guys that also have it loaded and might have an answer,
THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran into you two
Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The problem is you are
of no help to anyone, not even yourself because you can't step out of your
little play ground long enough to learn anything.
> With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that
is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't that amazing. I actually found some people
that knew what a forum was for.
> Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft
and get it over with.

[cowboy]

Yeah your right, my kind are not wanted here. Judging from some of the others who posted, I would say you guys are not to well liked. Go figure.
The difference between a Forum and a Newsgroup, now thats a real stretch. Of course the difference would be the Spelling. But then, who can argue with you two geniuses.

{So if you found a resolution to your issues, why don't you
inform us of the actual resolution instead of criticizing?} Why would I want to give you anything, but what you have given me.

{ It is also suggested that you take a
look at a few sites that offer tips of "Netiquette" You could use some
improvement in the field.} Now look who's calling the kettle black, now thats real funny coming from you.

{Despite the fact that you "run your own forum"
(btw, that doesn't make you "cool" or anything. it just makes you sound
stupid) That the best you can do.

{Since you "found
your answer" you may now leave without replaying to this message. Your kind
are not welcome here.} You really are funny Chris.

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, Beta software is not meant to be in the hands of others besides MSDN
subscribers and official beta testers. There has been nothing wrong with
me, Carey, or anyone else saying that you can't/will not get help here.
Cowboy just decided to carry it on and on. And now, it got he he/she is
flaming others for basically putting it nicely first (which we did, please
post in the correct beta/MSDN group). You want to flame and I will flame
back.

Of course there are issue with XP SP2. There should be. And since the NDA
was never lifted from beta testers none of them should be talking about it.

You may feel free to look other place for help, but here, no. I'm sure no
one at Microsoft will have any problem with the way me and Carey have been
putting it.

"Windows customer" > wrote in message
...
> I read the tread and I'm shocked to hear that Microsoft would allow this
kind of treatment towards their customers. I would suggest instead of
trying to argue with 'Cowboy', you would simply advise his that there is no
support available for the Beta rls of sp2 (2055). I'm sure he would
understand that if you informed him in a polite and professional manner.
>
> Cowboy, I would suggest that you seek help outside of Microsoft's
list-serv. I've found that Google has more information available for
Microsoft problems than what you can find in this list-serv. In fact there
are a few beta sp2 issues already out there.
>
> Good luck in your search for a solution.
> A Fellow Windows User

[shojo kid]

Tom Porterfield wrote:
> cowboy wrote:
>
>>I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that
>>I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem
>>and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all
>>about.
>
>
> Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
> to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not to
> expect that someone who could answer your question would. ...........
.....................
.....................
>
> Good luck.

Tom, Many thanks for your help before about my scripting problem - and
for your common sense.

Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?

Once again - Thanks
--
Luke

[John E. Carty]

"shojo kid" > wrote in message
...
> Tom Porterfield wrote:
>> cowboy wrote:
>>
>>>I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that
>>>I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem
>>>and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all
>>>about.
>>
>>
>> Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
>> to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not
>> to
>> expect that someone who could answer your question would. ...........
> ....................
> ....................
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> Tom, Many thanks for your help before about my scripting problem - and for
> your common sense.
>


> Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?

Not before testing is complete :-)


>
> Once again - Thanks
> --
> Luke

[shojo kid]

John E. Carty wrote:

> "shojo kid" > wrote in message
> ...
>
.....
.....

>>Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?
>
>
> Not before testing is complete :-)

.....


Hi John,
What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
Thanks for your help
--
Luke

[Tom Porterfield]

shojo kid wrote:
> Hi John,
> What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
> What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
> Thanks for your help

Probably not questions that can be answered. After all, all private beta
testers are under strict NDA. MS has released some information that can
be found at the following links:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.asp

SP2 is currently in early beta, so things are still subject to change as
the beta progresses.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[John E. Carty]

"shojo kid" > wrote in message
...
> John E. Carty wrote:
>
>> "shojo kid" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
> ....
> ....
>
>>>Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?
>>
>>
>> Not before testing is complete :-)
>
> ....
>
>
> Hi John,
> What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
> What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
> Thanks for your help
> --
> Luke
>

BETA testing of XPSP2 has just begun. Here is the public information which
is available:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7bd948d7-b791-40b6-8364-685b84158c78&DisplayLang=en

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp

[somebody]

Cowboy, If your still reading this after the crappy way you've been treated....... I'm an unoffical tester too, and I solved the same problem you're having. Go to Network Connections and install the Client for Microsoft Networks. Then go to services and st
art Workstation, Background Intelligent Transfer, and Automatic Updates. The updates should then install.

[cowboydawg]

----- somebody wrote: -----

Cowboy, If your still reading this after the crappy way you've been treated....... I'm an unoffical tester too, and I solved the same problem you're having. Go to Network Connections and install the Client for Microsoft Networks. Then go to services a
nd start Workstation, Background Intelligent Transfer, and Automatic Updates. The updates should then install.

For some reason my last couple post didn't seem to make it. So agaim I will say Thank You SOMEBODY, THe Background Intelegence Transfer Service was the last piece of the puzzle I needed. Now the updates download with no problems. Now ya see Carey and Chris
you were wrong, I did find the answer to my problem right here in this Newsgroup,,,,Of course that was with no help from you two. You two were to busy hoping Daddy Bill Gates would send you a present or something for being such ^&^%$&^^%$, you know what I
mean don't ya? By the way Carey and Chris, ole Cowboys gonna stick around for awhile to help some of these people.
For the rest of the posters thank you for your support and helping me keep the faith it support groups.

[Robert Moir]

Chris Lanier wrote:
> Since you
> "found your answer" you may now leave without replaying to this
> message. Your kind are not welcome here.

What "kind" were you thinking of as being unwelcome?
Microsoft customers?
Windows users?
MSDN subscribers?
People who occasionally ask a question in one forum or newsgroup when
another might be better?
People who get annoyed at being treated in a shabby manner for no good
reason that I can see.

I guess I had better unsubscribe then. I've done/been all the above.

Chris, with respect, I don't think its your place to tell people whether or
not they are welcome in a public newsgroup that isn't moderated at all, let
alone by you.

Cowboy, if you read this, I don't know what "your kind" is exactly as
described in the post I'm replying to, but as far as I'm concerned you are
welcome here.

--
--
Rob Moir
Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

[shojo kid]

John E. Carty wrote:
.........
.........
>
>
> BETA testing of XPSP2 has just begun. Here is the public information which
> is available:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7bd948d7-b791-40b6-8364-685b84158c78&DisplayLang=en
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp
>
>
>
>
Hi John, Many thanks for that info, and for the link to the doc 'Changes
to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2' which is a bit
technical, but seems to give the picture. I have seen reference to
version 1a elsewhere, and wondered Is this a worthwhile download at all

Best
--
Luke

[Tom Porterfield]

shojo kid wrote:
> Hi John, Many thanks for that info, and for the link to the doc
> 'Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2'
> which is a bit technical, but seems to give the picture. I have seen
> reference to version 1a elsewhere, and wondered Is this a worthwhile
> download at all

SP1a is exactly the same as SP1 but with the MS Java Virtual Machine
removed. So if you already have SP1 installed there is no reason to
download/install SP1a. See this link for info on why Microsoft is
removing the JVM from their products -
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[cowboydawg]

Hi Robert,,,,your guess is as good as mine on what kind I am. I guess I am the kind that uses Miccrosoft Products, but won't take any crap from Morons. Thanks for your KIND words.

[anonymous]

Hey ****wit's wake up! You are stealing software. It
does not matter about your "no strings attached"
download. It's not YOURS.

There has been NOTHING WRONG with what anyone has said to
you. A ****wit as atupid as you asking for help with a
beta you SHOULD NOT HAVE.

What kind of dumbass are you? Why dont you leave and go
be a good "unoffical tester" (if there is such as thing)

These ****wit's get stupider with every beta M$ puts out.

>-----Original Message-----
>Chris Lanier wrote:
>> Since you
>> "found your answer" you may now leave without replaying
to this
>> message. Your kind are not welcome here.
>
>What "kind" were you thinking of as being unwelcome?
>Microsoft customers?
>Windows users?
>MSDN subscribers?
>People who occasionally ask a question in one forum or
newsgroup when
>another might be better?
>People who get annoyed at being treated in a shabby
manner for no good
>reason that I can see.
>
>I guess I had better unsubscribe then. I've done/been all
the above.
>
>Chris, with respect, I don't think its your place to tell
people whether or
>not they are welcome in a public newsgroup that isn't
moderated at all, let
>alone by you.
>
>Cowboy, if you read this, I don't know what "your kind"
is exactly as
>described in the post I'm replying to, but as far as I'm
concerned you are
>welcome here.
>
>--
>--
>Rob Moir
>Microsoft MVP for servers & security
>Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
>Virtual PC 2004 FAQ -
http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
>
>
>.
>

[shojo Kid]

Tom Porterfield wrote:

>
> SP1a is exactly the same as SP1 but with the MS Java Virtual Machine
> removed. So if you already have SP1 installed there is no reason to
> download/install SP1a. See this link for info on why Microsoft is
> removing the JVM from their products -
> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/.

I am most appreciative for the info

Very best wishes

[shojo kid]

anonymous wrote:

> Hey ****wit's wake up! You are stealing software. It
> does not matter about your "no strings attached"
> download. It's not YOURS.
>
> There has been NOTHING WRONG with what anyone has said to
> you. A ****wit as atupid as you asking for help with a
> beta you SHOULD NOT HAVE.
>
> What kind of dumbass are you? Why dont you leave and go
> be a good "unoffical tester" (if there is such as thing)
>
> These ****wit's get stupider with every beta M$ puts out.
>
It's no good you hiding. Your post has Bill Gates written all over
--
Luke

[Robert Moir]

anonymous wrote:
> Hey ****wit's wake up! You are stealing software. It
> does not matter about your "no strings attached"
> download. It's not YOURS.

Uh.. at no point did the poster say they warezed the download. That no
strings attatched download could be from MSDN as a MSDN subscriber. That
would make their downloading of SP2 legitimate. Its dangerous to assume too
much.

> There has been NOTHING WRONG with what anyone has said to
> you. A ****wit as atupid as you asking for help with a
> beta you SHOULD NOT HAVE.

Said to me (as its me you are replying to). But I'm allowed to have it.

> What kind of dumbass are you? Why dont you leave and go
> be a good "unoffical tester" (if there is such as thing)

If you mean me again, as its me you are replying to, I'm an "Official
tester" (if there is such as[sic] thing).

> These ****wit's get stupider with every beta M$ puts out.

I assume you mean yourself?

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, We had established that the OP had no MSDN subscription and was not a
valid tester. You all may continue this as long as you wish, but this is my
closing post.

The software is not yours. Do not come here to post for help or whatever
you want to call it until the software is released to the public.

-Relevance to Topics:XP SP2 is not relevant, as it has not been released to
the public.
-Confidentiality:All beta testers are always under non-disclosure
agreement's (NDA)

"Robert Moir" > wrote in message
...
> anonymous wrote:
> > Hey ****wit's wake up! You are stealing software. It
> > does not matter about your "no strings attached"
> > download. It's not YOURS.
>
> Uh.. at no point did the poster say they warezed the download. That no
> strings attatched download could be from MSDN as a MSDN subscriber. That
> would make their downloading of SP2 legitimate. Its dangerous to assume
too
> much.
>
> > There has been NOTHING WRONG with what anyone has said to
> > you. A ****wit as atupid as you asking for help with a
> > beta you SHOULD NOT HAVE.
>
> Said to me (as its me you are replying to). But I'm allowed to have it.
>
> > What kind of dumbass are you? Why dont you leave and go
> > be a good "unoffical tester" (if there is such as thing)
>
> If you mean me again, as its me you are replying to, I'm an "Official
> tester" (if there is such as[sic] thing).
>
> > These ****wit's get stupider with every beta M$ puts out.
>
> I assume you mean yourself?
>
>

[Robert Moir]

Chris Lanier wrote:
> Hi, We had established that the OP had no MSDN subscription

Sorry, I missed that bit. Perhaps you could point me to where that happened?

> and was
> not a valid tester. You all may continue this as long as you wish,
> but this is my closing post.
>
> The software is not yours. Do not come here to post for help or
> whatever you want to call it until the software is released to the
> public.
>
> -Relevance to Topics:XP SP2 is not relevant, as it has not been
> released to the public.
> -Confidentiality:All beta testers are always under non-disclosure
> agreement's (NDA)

I can't speak for anyone else, but Chris, if *I* want to post here for help
on anything, I will. People don't need your permission to post, any more
than they need mine. But you know, despite being fairly well known for
having a sharp tongue myself, I've managed to answer people and say
substantially what you said but without causing a flame war. Have you ever
considered why that might be?

If you disagree with something then I'd suggest either ignore it, or if you
feel you must speak it is always better to be polite about it. You can catch
more flies with a drop of honey than you can with a bucket of vinegar, you
know.

And I always respect NDAs.

--
--
Rob Moir
Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

[Chris Lanier]

Advise well taken.

Side note. This all started with the MSDN discussion. Tom Porterfield
brought up the MSDN topic.

Sorry all for the way I have acted.

"Robert Moir" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Lanier wrote:
> > Hi, We had established that the OP had no MSDN subscription
>
> Sorry, I missed that bit. Perhaps you could point me to where that
happened?
>
> > and was
> > not a valid tester. You all may continue this as long as you wish,
> > but this is my closing post.
> >
> > The software is not yours. Do not come here to post for help or
> > whatever you want to call it until the software is released to the
> > public.
> >
> > -Relevance to Topics:XP SP2 is not relevant, as it has not been
> > released to the public.
> > -Confidentiality:All beta testers are always under non-disclosure
> > agreement's (NDA)
>
> I can't speak for anyone else, but Chris, if *I* want to post here for
help
> on anything, I will. People don't need your permission to post, any more
> than they need mine. But you know, despite being fairly well known for
> having a sharp tongue myself, I've managed to answer people and say
> substantially what you said but without causing a flame war. Have you ever
> considered why that might be?
>
> If you disagree with something then I'd suggest either ignore it, or if
you
> feel you must speak it is always better to be polite about it. You can
catch
> more flies with a drop of honey than you can with a bucket of vinegar, you
> know.
>
> And I always respect NDAs.
>
> --
> --
> Rob Moir
> Microsoft MVP for servers & security
> Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
> Virtual PC 2004 FAQ -
http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
>
>

[DILIP]

Hi Tom

Can you please give us an idea about how big SP2 (network) is. People on
Dial-Up like me have to arrange for it via cable downloaders. Also, does
the beta have all the proposed fixes, and is it essentially just being
"tested"? Or will more fixes be incorporated as time progresses?

Thanks!

--
Dilip

"Tom Porterfield" > wrote in message
...
> cowboy wrote:
> > I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that
> > I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem
> > and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all
> > about.
>
> Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
> to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not to
> expect that someone who could answer your question would. So far I have
> installed SP2 on three different machines. Once as an upgrade and the
> other two were clean installs. So far I have not seen the error you are
> reporting so can't offer an suggestion as to what might be the cause of
> the problem. If I come across anything I will let you know.
>
> You might try uninstalling SP2, or rolling back to a restore point from
> before the install. Verify that everything is working and then try SP2
> again.
>
> You might also try going to Adminstrative Tools in the Control Panel and
> opening services. Try manually stopping and restarting the Automatic
> Updates service.
>
> Good luck.
> --
> Tom Porterfield
> MS-MVP Smart Display
> http://support.telop.org
>
> Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.
>
>

[shojo kid]

DILIP wrote:
> Hi Tom
>
> Can you please give us an idea about how big SP2 (network) is. People on
> Dial-Up like me have to arrange for it via cable downloaders. Also, does
> the beta have all the proposed fixes, and is it essentially just being
> "tested"? Or will more fixes be incorporated as time progresses?
>
> Thanks!
>
This is Tom's earlier reply to me. The only thing not answered is the
length of the download
.........
>> What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
>> What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
>> Thanks for your help


Probably not questions that can be answered. After all, all private beta
testers are under strict NDA. MS has released some information that can
be found at the following links:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.asp

SP2 is currently in early beta, so things are still subject to change as
the beta progresses.
-- Tom Porterfield

[Tom Porterfield]

shojo kid wrote:
> Probably not questions that can be answered. After all, all private
> beta testers are under strict NDA. MS has released some information
> that can be found at the following links:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.asp
>
> SP2 is currently in early beta, so things are still subject to change
> as the beta progresses.
> -- Tom Porterfield

Thanks shojo, at this time there isn't anything else I can add to the
above.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

[MS customer (Enterprise and Otherwise)]

Yes - I agree. That's why there aren't really Microsoft "enthusiasts". Mr. Frisch needs to develop his people skills. I hope he is not in the employ of Microsoft but rather some kind of unpaid lackey... at least that would make me feel a bit better.

[WarHippy1%MFFM]

Hey Cowboy, did youexpect anything more than a moronic answer from someone who claims to speak for Microsoft? I've crashed Windows XP PRO so many times, that I started buying extra hard drives to throw in and Install a fressh copy of XP and then just downl
oad the files off of the crashed operating system.And, NEVER have I gotten ONE good piece of advice from any Microsoft official. Microsoft, I believe, uses it's best programmers in a so-called hit squad to deal with anyone who speaks up too loudly against
them. It's almost amazing how quickly my computer has started acting squirrely right after posting some less than glowing opinions about our great computer Mother. I came here for the first time, re-directed by a Microsoft Help Page(another funny oxy moron
), because I can't play MPEGS in Win Media Player anymore. After reading these posts, after you asked, first off, for some info, I don't think these pompous know-it-all's about nothing would even be willing to help with my problem. The botom line is, Micro
soft ain't perty, but she's all we got to work with at this time and space. Well, I guess my computer's gonna be crashing soon, so I better get moving on installing a new hard drive. Thanks for the support Microsoft. May you reap what you sow!

----- cowboy wrote: -----

Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for everything. Although your answer are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs will be Ironed out, and NO I am
not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I would run into some guys that also have it loaded and might have an answer, THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran into you two Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The
problem is you are of no help to anyone, not even yourself because you can't step out of your little play ground long enough to learn anything.
With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't that amazing. I actually found some people that knew what a forum was for.
Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft and get it over with.

[cowboydawg]

Believe it are not, I did solve my problem with the help of someone in this thread. Of course that was after taking a bunch of crap from 2 or 3 morons, or might I say, Microsoft Employee Wantabes. My thanks goes out to the 97% who know what a Newsgroup is
for. My middle finger goes out to the other 3%